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2012-07-11 03:09:47 PM
Psssh. My first computer ran on coal.
I remember one time waiting 20 minutes for an ASCII picture of a naked girl to load so that I could masturbate, and right in the middle of it, the machine shuts down all because grandma was too lazy to shovel coal.

Biatch. I missed the first ten minutes of Knight Rider because of her.
 
2012-07-11 03:11:25 PM
This is green?

Focking nerds.

Nadie_AZ: Wish I could fire up some of the 90s Lucas Arts games ....

Ah 90s Star Wars games. You were awesome.

[www.ibiblio.org image 640x480]


Last game I think I cared about.

Except for the SS hotties in Return to Wolfenstein.
 
2012-07-11 03:11:26 PM

thejoyofpi: Hyperbolic Hyperbole: I mean. When I first played Space Quest IV, the game after which I am so fark handled, it came in a box containing six 3.5" installation disks. which means the entire game took up less than 10mb of space it the damn thing took twenty minutes to install.

And honestly, can you say some new game with a gigantor 4 GB install is actually that much more fun than those old games? I don't think so


Depends on the game. There were certainly some old school games that held up (go to gog.com) but Skyrim and the Mass Effect series were way better than anything from the past.
 
2012-07-11 03:11:42 PM

snake_beater: Unrealistic expectations?

/also, this thread makes me want to find a copy of Commander Keen or ROTT


Keen 6(?) pack is available on steam for a few bucks.
 
2012-07-11 03:12:54 PM
Because programmers suck.

And because programs do a heck of a lot more now than they did back then.
 
2012-07-11 03:13:05 PM

Phoenix87ta: Nadie_AZ: Phoenix87ta: Nadie_AZ: Wish I could fire up some of the 90s Lucas Arts games ....

Ah 90s Star Wars games. You were awesome.

[www.ibiblio.org image 640x480]

I love that I can still play all the Lucasarts adventure games in ScummVM. Hell, they even ported it to PSP.

Wait, what? Tell me more.

ScummVM

Supported games list:

Compatibility

It's a beautiful thing. Full Throttle, Monkey Island and Sam and Max never get old.


This might be the greatest thing ever -except for a nice MLT - mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe.
 
2012-07-11 03:13:16 PM
I remember when candy was $0.25 as well.
 
2012-07-11 03:14:00 PM
I just remembered I have an emulator for an Atari 800. I need to grab Rescue on Fractalus and Koronis Rift, two of my favorites.
 
2012-07-11 03:14:31 PM

badspella: zetar: Most programmers are incompetent and downright dangerous.

Almost all software is very poorly written these days.

In the 'old days' poorly written code would cause almost an immediate crash. Now, poorly written code is considered the standard. The most popular operating system is riddled with memory leaks.

/ And, yes, I do have a doctorate in computer science.

Jesus, another over-educated CS ass. You want to see the source of 90% of the bloatware out there? Sit in a meeting across the table from some CS PhD while they enchant a clueless program manager on the unparalleled virtues of their chosen framework/pattern/technology of the day. That they only heard about it at a conference and have never actually implemented it and are not responsible for the post-sales support costs and increased sales friction are of no matter to them.

Perfect example right now is Ruby. They talk teams into it, then miss all their dates and blow their dev budgets because they can't hire enough good Ruby developers. Products should be sold and used and changes lives first and foremost. If they're ideally realized that's great, but not at the cost of never seeing daylight.

/or maybe i fell for a troll
// not i didn't, WHARRGARBL


I'm sorry, I should have made this clear, too: most CS PhDs are downright dangerous, too.

/ Better?
 
2012-07-11 03:14:57 PM

lordargent: As an old school web developer (that moved over to traditional programming), I think all of this embedded shiat has gotten totally out of hand. Now you go to a page and it's trying to serve you things from 20+ different domains (note the scroll arrows), WTF.


Sweet mother of Thor, THIS. Why the fark do you need scripts from twenty different sites to show me a video, or worse yet, a farking image?
 
2012-07-11 03:15:11 PM
while != 100000
i = random * 100000
loop

The above code is stuck in every few pages of modern code. That and all 435 programs installed on your computer ping the web for updates every few seconds. And animation sequences with 32 alpha channel graphics have to load every time your mouse hovers over an icon/window/button/etc.
 
2012-07-11 03:15:32 PM

brianbankerus: DerAppie: Read before you click. Windows Update asks if you want to reboot now or wait.

Right, but it pops up in the background with a countdown clock. If I'm not sitting at the screen when it happens (which has happened more than twice) I come back to find the damn thing did it without me. It's just too bossy for my tastes.


I've had that "do you want to reboot now" pop-up open for hours on end without sudden reboots. Methinks something else is going on.
 
2012-07-11 03:17:23 PM

SevenizGud: Because the scroll bars don't work until the farking double-click ads load.

/off to sort 708,000 rows of 25,000 column wide data in excel


Try dropping 40k cells with array functions into a table.
 
2012-07-11 03:17:26 PM

SpaceBison: MrSteve007: The problem is that your computer doesn't have a "Turbo" button:
[4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x445]
From 33 mhz, to a blistering 66 mhz!!!

Pshh. The turbo button on the ol' Compuadd 286 went from 6 mhz to 12 mhz and we only had a 5.25" disk drive because that's the way we liked it.


You damn youngin's with your newfangeled, hifalutin' 5.25" disks. Back in my day we had 8" disks. 80kb was enough for anyone. Plenty enough to hack into NORAD

letsbytecode.comletsbytecode.com
 
2012-07-11 03:20:08 PM

kiteless: It's all of your smooth curved edges and your color gradients and your fancy pants animations! In the 90s I remember getting along on 16 colors with square corners and I was thankful for it!


I wish they would bring back the Windows 3.1 look. Loved it. Hated supporting it and that whole, "MY WINDOW DISAPPEARED AND I CANT BRING IT BACK, OH MINIMIZED PROGRAM MANAGER AND THERE IT IS."

/get off my lawn
 
2012-07-11 03:20:17 PM
www.fitzenreiter.de

Not my first computer, my first was Apple IIe then an 8088 then a 286 then a 486 which I had to install the mathco processor. I skipped most of the dialup stories by living near a college with a real internet connection.
 
2012-07-11 03:20:56 PM
You just need to take your computer to Best Buy and get the Geek Squad to take a look at it. I hear that their friendly and knowledgeable staff can use their extensive experience in virtually every aspect of technology to quickly make miraculous improvements in any electronic device's performance for an incredibly low price. In the exceedingly unlikely event that they cannot fix your computer, they will work hard to help you select the most economical replacement from the store's vast stock of reasonably priced equipment.
 
2012-07-11 03:20:59 PM

Phoenix87ta: zedster: Phoenix87ta: zedster: subby please do the following
go to start and run "msconfig"
click the startup tab
hit print screen
open up mspaint
hit ctrl+v
hit ctrl+s and save it
upload the image here so we can see how much crap your computer is loading

$10 on Bonzi Buddy

I'll see you on that one and go $100 on shopathome

And an extra $100 on unnecessary software bundled with subby's device drivers.


Add $100 that his IE looks like this:
rdmventure.com

Which I had to explain to my mom shouldn't be like that.
 
2012-07-11 03:21:00 PM

kiteless: [codinghorror.typepad.com image 640x480]

It's all of your smooth curved edges and your color gradients and your fancy pants animations! In the 90s I remember getting along on 16 colors with square corners and I was thankful for it!


F*CK YEAH HOTDOG STAND
 
2012-07-11 03:21:14 PM

Quasar: Your computer has more to do now.


Yeah, that.

CSB time:

With my second computer (Pentium 200Mhz) I was able to play the PC version of "Road Rage." Fun as hell game.

This past weekend I was foraging through some items when I found the CD and, for the hell of it, tried to install it on my Quad-Core rig and it couldn't be done.

Had a sad for a minute.

/csb
 
2012-07-11 03:21:28 PM
I remembered how fast my old systems were, just as they are today, until I hooked them back up and tried to use them. Bad memory. And if you still can find a dial-up source, do a 2400 baud connection (hell, even 14,400) and watch it. I almost clawed my eyes out. Just remember, you youngsters who may live in your parents' basement, ATM0=0 will silence that shiat. Assuming it's still like 1992.

/misses the good ole days before all of you idiots and rugrats got on the internets
//eg!
///Trolls were banned immediately from most BBSes that didn't have a "Be a troll forum," too.
////Where oh where have my little MUDs goneeeeeee?
//+++
 
2012-07-11 03:22:25 PM

MythDragon: Phoenix87ta: zedster: Phoenix87ta: zedster: subby please do the following
go to start and run "msconfig"
click the startup tab
hit print screen
open up mspaint
hit ctrl+v
hit ctrl+s and save it
upload the image here so we can see how much crap your computer is loading

$10 on Bonzi Buddy

I'll see you on that one and go $100 on shopathome

And an extra $100 on unnecessary software bundled with subby's device drivers.

Add $100 that his IE looks like this:
[rdmventure.com image 512x384]

Which I had to explain to my mom shouldn't be like that.


Heh, no wonder I raced over to Netscape, then Firefox.
 
2012-07-11 03:23:05 PM
It's quite simple. Your old computer was slow, so the programmers that wrote code for it took that into account, and wrote tiny, fast, minimal code. Now you have a fast computer, and the programmers go "ooh! Toys!!! I've programmed on slow crap for too long, let's do neat fancy things!!" So your computer ends up doing a lot more than your original computer, and tends to be built so it responds in about the same timescale because that's what programmers expect of computers.

/Give a programmer 5 Legos they'll use 5 Legos, give them 50,000 and they're use all 50,000 and the original 5 together.
 
2012-07-11 03:23:20 PM

DerAppie: brianbankerus: DerAppie: Read before you click. Windows Update asks if you want to reboot now or wait.

Right, but it pops up in the background with a countdown clock. If I'm not sitting at the screen when it happens (which has happened more than twice) I come back to find the damn thing did it without me. It's just too bossy for my tastes.

I've had that "do you want to reboot now" pop-up open for hours on end without sudden reboots. Methinks something else is going on.


Mine pops up with a 15-minute countdown, and if I don't select to defer it, it just does its thing. I think something else is going on too but I haven't chosen a conspiracy major yet, so I'm just dealing with it.
 
2012-07-11 03:23:31 PM

Rwa2play: Quasar: Your computer has more to do now.

Yeah, that.

CSB time:

With my second computer (Pentium 200Mhz) I was able to play the PC version of "Road Rage." Fun as hell game.

This past weekend I was foraging through some items when I found the CD and, for the hell of it, tried to install it on my Quad-Core rig and it couldn't be done.

Had a sad for a minute.

/csb


Had the same issue when trying to run The 7th Guest. I think that was back from my 486sx25
 
2012-07-11 03:23:57 PM

meanmutton: You shouldn't really ever need to shut down a Windows 7 machine. Laptops - hibernate. Desktops - sleep.


if only Win7 wifi didn't drop connections when sleeping/hibernating... but it does, but it doesn't tell everything that uses those connections that the connections are gone, when things wake up again. so the printer driver thinks the printer is working fine, but in reality it has no connection. things go into the printer queue but don't come out until you reboot and re-establish a connection. and iTunes gets confused when it can't find its library file that lives on the NAS because it can't find the NAS until the wifi gets a new connection, so it creates a new library, locally. then you have to delete the local library and re-connect to the NAS's library, but that causes iTunes to do a re-scan of the whole farking thing, which means you can't use iTunes for 40 minutes while it "checks" every song.

this is why i use powerline networking.
 
2012-07-11 03:24:26 PM
Gates' Law: Every 18 months, the speed of software halves.
 
2012-07-11 03:24:57 PM
Two words: Code Bloat

Too many programmers suck these days. They have more CPU cycles, so they use them. They have more memory, so they use it. Memory leak? Pffft, who cares. Garbage collect? Java does that for me. Multi-thread a task? What you talkin' about?

/first computer: TRS-80 Model 1
 
2012-07-11 03:25:22 PM
cause you still own a piece of shiat
 
2012-07-11 03:25:49 PM

Nadie_AZ: Phoenix87ta: Nadie_AZ: Phoenix87ta: Nadie_AZ: Wish I could fire up some of the 90s Lucas Arts games ....

Ah 90s Star Wars games. You were awesome.

[www.ibiblio.org image 640x480]

I love that I can still play all the Lucasarts adventure games in ScummVM. Hell, they even ported it to PSP.

Wait, what? Tell me more.

ScummVM

Supported games list:

Compatibility

It's a beautiful thing. Full Throttle, Monkey Island and Sam and Max never get old.

This might be the greatest thing ever -except for a nice MLT - mutton, lettuce and tomato sandwich, where the mutton is nice and lean and the tomato is ripe.


Look behind you, a three-headed monkey!

/couldn't resist.
 
2012-07-11 03:27:13 PM
I don't know subs, my computer is blazing fast. It is so quick it almost seems like the program loads before I'm done clicking.

/Built a budget computer for $500.
//SSD and 6-core AMD CPU.
 
2012-07-11 03:27:39 PM
What is this "everything" of which you speak, subby? Dollars to donuts the stuff you are doing with your computer today bears little resemblance to the stuff you were doing with your computer back in the olden times.
 
2012-07-11 03:28:19 PM
are you trying to do the exact same things you tried to do on your first computer? i highly doubt it.
 
2012-07-11 03:29:08 PM

Dragonflew: Wow, there are a lot of pretty specific answers to a very vague question. Shouldn't we be asking for more details? WHAT takes just as long?


No, because IT experts are quick to come to conclusions about what the problem is, and 99% of the time the problem is you.

/Works in IT
/Dislikes most IT "troubleshooters"
 
2012-07-11 03:29:28 PM
 
2012-07-11 03:29:49 PM

RichieLaw: I don't know subs, my computer is blazing fast. It is so quick it almost seems like the program loads before I'm done clicking.

/Built a budget computer for $500.
//SSD and 6-core AMD CPU.


You magnificent bastard! :D

Thinking about getting an SSD and an 8-core AMD w/ the mobo.

/First: I have to install Win 7
//I don't like Win 7
///But if I want the SSD, I gotta install it
////*groans*
 
2012-07-11 03:30:06 PM
Then

i47.tinypic.com



Now

i46.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-11 03:30:13 PM

JackieRabbit: Two words: Code Bloat

Too many programmers suck these days. They have more CPU cycles, so they use them. They have more memory, so they use it. Memory leak? Pffft, who cares. Garbage collect? Java does that for me. Multi-thread a task? What you talkin' about?

/first computer: TRS-80 Model 1


I still don't believe this. I think it's an elaborate hoax perpetrated by Sun.
 
2012-07-11 03:31:24 PM

Pockafrusta: This was my first system... circa 1982

[www.mew3.us image 640x566]

Hooked it into out HUGE 19 inch color TV.


I remember those. It took a while to get one back then.
I still have my first computer (we always remember our first), a TRS-80 Pocket Computer
1.4k memory, BASIC.
It still works as an overgrown slow calculator.
 
2012-07-11 03:32:20 PM
Headline and some of the discussion here reminds me of this: Everything's amazing and nobody's happy
 
2012-07-11 03:32:52 PM

dogboy360: Pockafrusta: This was my first system... circa 1982

[www.mew3.us image 640x566]

Hooked it into out HUGE 19 inch color TV.

I remember those. It took a while to get one back then.
I still have my first computer (we always remember our first), a TRS-80 Pocket Computer
1.4k memory, BASIC.
It still works as an overgrown slow calculator.


I still remember when my fantasy was hooking up my rig to a 21-inch CRT.

/Then the LCDs came along
//YAY!
///Now have a 23-inch LED backlit LCD monitor.
 
2012-07-11 03:33:44 PM
Yet another parallel of the Jevons Paradox. Increases in efficiency are offset by increases in consumption.
 
2012-07-11 03:34:06 PM
Heh. Nostalgia thread. I still cringe-smile every time I see a new ad for some sub-$100 / over-1TB USB drive, thinking "fondly" of the first 1TB server I racked. Yeah, a full rack, and well into six figures.

discgolfguru: This was my first system. You Commodore folks were barbarians.


Indeed. Only the most civil and thoughtful computer enthusiasts rocked the 800XL.

You know, I actually miss the white-on-blue word processing and very much miss the daisy wheel printer. Wonder if I could find one cheap that could be made to work. Actual type-struck printing is sooooo much nicer looking and nicer to read than a laser printer. But now we have Comic Sans and drop shadows. So there's that. That's nice.

wildcardjack: Why does it take 100+Mb of memory for a program to display a 150kb file that I could have opened on my 486 with 16Mb of ram?

I'm thinking of browsers and word processors.


I think this has been beaten to death now, but just to answer yours specifically: Word processors have come a long way. WYSIWYG, graphics, spelling and grammar checkers, and on and on and on. Unfortunately, almost everyone only uses 5-10% of the program's ability... but everyone uses a -different- 5-10%, and everyone wants -their- 5-10% to load instantly... so we get bloat and feature creep and "why the hell does Word do [something I never use] and why won't [something someone else will never use] work more quickly?!"

And, yeah, another overall vote for "keep a tidy system" here... an old Core 2 Duo with a couple GB of RAM I picked up for ~$100 a couple years back flies along just fine, if you don't need the latest games and don't run a bunch of crap. And *especially* if you throw a cheap SSD in for the OS.
 
2012-07-11 03:36:14 PM

kiteless: It's all of your smooth curved edges and your color gradients and your fancy pants animations! In the 90s I remember getting along on 16 colors with square corners and I was thankful for it!


Well, last I heard, you're going to get all of that back with Windows 8, so yay?
 
2012-07-11 03:36:35 PM
All the automated stuff that makes setting stuff up easier bogs a system down.
I remember experimenting with DMA, IRQ and COM numbers in config.sys and autoexec.bat files trying to get my game to launch with sound and game port enabled.
Messing around with EMS vs XMS

I remember playing an early version of MS Flight Simulator on a 286 with a monochrome monitor.
the PC speaker made engine sounds, they keyboard arrows controlled pitch and roll, while comma and period controlled yaw.
 
2012-07-11 03:39:40 PM
The fabric of space-time has been altered by FOX NEWS.

/or it was aliens . .
 
2012-07-11 03:39:49 PM

Rwa2play: Quasar: Your computer has more to do now.

Yeah, that.

CSB time:

With my second computer (Pentium 200Mhz) I was able to play the PC version of "Road Rage." Fun as hell game.

This past weekend I was foraging through some items when I found the CD and, for the hell of it, tried to install it on my Quad-Core rig and it couldn't be done.

Had a sad for a minute.

/csb


That's what Virtual Machines are for. I have a few FreeBSD installs for testing firewall configs before hitting production, FreeDOS for a couple old Sierra games, Windows 2000 for Master of Orion 2, Windows XP for iTunes and other garbage I don't want polluting my PC. Running it all as guests on a Windows 7 PC with Oracle VirtualBox. You can use VMWare or MS Virtual Server if you like also.
 
2012-07-11 03:40:16 PM

Rwa2play: RichieLaw: I don't know subs, my computer is blazing fast. It is so quick it almost seems like the program loads before I'm done clicking.

/Built a budget computer for $500.
//SSD and 6-core AMD CPU.

You magnificent bastard! :D

Thinking about getting an SSD and an 8-core AMD w/ the mobo.

/First: I have to install Win 7
//I don't like Win 7
///But if I want the SSD, I gotta install it
////*groans*


Ha, thanks!

Just do it man. Everything is so cheap now. I was able to get a 120 gig SSD on Newegg for less than $100 and use that as my boot drive. WIN7 runs like a freakin dream.

And I would skip the 8-core. Unless you're going to be running a home server or something anything more than 4-core's is a waste right now. (I just bought my 6-core because it was super cheap and was the best value for the money at the time). If I had to do it all over again I would buy this CPU as you can't go wrong with a quad-core 3.4 GHZ that can easily be OC'd with stock cooling to close to 4 GHZ.

Cheers!
 
2012-07-11 03:40:24 PM

Phoenix87ta: JackieRabbit: Two words: Code Bloat

Too many programmers suck these days. They have more CPU cycles, so they use them. They have more memory, so they use it. Memory leak? Pffft, who cares. Garbage collect? Java does that for me. Multi-thread a task? What you talkin' about?

/first computer: TRS-80 Model 1

I still don't believe this. I think it's an elaborate hoax perpetrated by Sun.


Oh, it'll do it for you, IF you haven't accidentally left orphan objects floating around. Because orphans take up memory in computers, exactly the opposite of real life.
 
2012-07-11 03:41:14 PM

TheHappTroll: All you guys calling for SSDs why not more RAM? Win7 Pro 192GB


Well I would definitely agree that you want to have at least 4GB of RAM. However, it seems like any decent system from the last couple years will already be there, and if not it's like $20 to upgrade. Still, your performance gain may only be somewhat noticeable. I have seen first-hand computers that struggle become lightning fast with a new SSD (now you can get 120GB for under $100). Put Windows 7 and your main programs on the SSD and your system will load to a useable desktop in less than 10 seconds or so.

Seriously, upgrading to an SSD is probably the single most game-changing upgrade you will ever do on a computer. All those times Windows seems to be "doing something" and you're not sure what it's doing will simply go away.
 
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