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(Washington Post)   The FBI is quietly reviewing the forensic evidence used to convict thousands of defendants after coming to the conclusion that "hair and fiber analysis" is basically junk science   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 4
    More: Followup, FBI, Forensic identification, fiber analysis, FBI Laboratory, Innocence Project, mistakes were made  
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2012-07-11 03:24:30 PM  
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Magorn: Things people (epecially CSI watchers) think are real science

1) Hair and fiber analysis
2) "paint matching"
3) Fire reconstruction and "burn pattern analysis"
4) Fingerprint Matching
5) DNA matching

Things that are actually science

5) DNA*

*and then it is far more defintive in excluding people than when including them, the often used line in testimony that there is only a "1 in 600 billion chance" of two people having the same DNA is pure bullshiat because a) They've never tested a sample size that large for obvious reasons b) The test only a limitied number of alleles and the science isn't all that clear yet how many of them are purely random and how many are closely tied to certain racial groups


Next thing you will tell me is that blood splatter analysis isn't a hard science.
2012-07-11 02:22:23 PM  
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Magorn: aaronx: Also amazing to me is how often eye-witnesses and confessions turn out to be wrong.

Prosecutors need to win cases to be considered 'good' prosecutors, so they do what they have to in order to win.

If I ran the world I'd make one basic change to our criminal justice system: I'd combine the State's Attorney and Public Defender's office into one, and lawyers assigned to cases wouldn't know which side they were on until after the indictment (maybe make it a coin-flip). Since they are judged on their W/L records, the attorneys would be highly motivated to ensure the investigation was as fair and by-the-book as possible


I nominate Magorn to run the world.

Do I hear a second?
2012-07-11 01:40:55 PM  
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dittybopper: SN1987a goes boom: Are you saying fingerprints can't be used as evidence?

Fingerprint matching is actually a very subjective thing, more than you would think. It depends not on actual objective measurement, but on the experience of the technician examining the prints, the quality of the print itself, and a number of other factors.

I was actually surprised when I found this out.

Years ago, I applied for a programmer/analyst position at a government agency that does fingerprint analysis. When they showed me how it was done, I was kind of taken aback. I hope that if I ever become a suspect for whatever reason, that the fingerprint examiner who checks my prints isn't having a bad day, because that could royally fark you for life, and it would be very difficult to argue against in court. In essence, you'd have to put both the honesty and skill level of the examiner on trial, and also the "science" behind fingerprinting.

/Didn't get the job.
//Hiring freeze: The interview was originally scheduled for 1:00pm, September 11th, 2001.


It does seem like there would have been some vacancies to fill right about then.

/sorry

/aisle seat
2012-07-11 01:37:04 PM  
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aaronx: Also amazing to me is how often eye-witnesses and confessions turn out to be wrong.

Prosecutors need to win cases to be considered 'good' prosecutors, so they do what they have to in order to win.


If I ran the world I'd make one basic change to our criminal justice system: I'd combine the State's Attorney and Public Defender's office into one, and lawyers assigned to cases wouldn't know which side they were on until after the indictment (maybe make it a coin-flip). Since they are judged on their W/L records, the attorneys would be highly motivated to ensure the investigation was as fair and by-the-book as possible
 
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