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2012-07-11 09:35:54 AM  
Privately-sponsored event vs. Constitutionally-guaranteed right... Hmm..
 
2012-07-11 09:40:57 AM  
It's nice the same article gets copied and pasted into every Republican blog, which someone then goes around and submits here.
 
2012-07-11 09:53:17 AM  

GAT_00: It's nice the same article gets copied and pasted into every Republican blog, which someone then goes around and submits here.


Over and over again.

And no, it isn't any less retarded this time.
 
2012-07-11 10:32:07 AM  

wxboy: Privately-sponsored event vs. Constitutionally-guaranteed right... Hmm..


Though you'd probably also need to show photo ID to get to see him at the Justice Department.

It's a cheap shot. However, it does appear to highlight a seeming conflict between principles expressed and social norms, as to the appropriateness of "papers please" inquiries.
 
2012-07-11 10:47:20 AM  

abb3w: It's a cheap shot. However, it does appear to highlight a seeming conflict between principles expressed and social norms, as to the appropriateness of "papers please" inquiries.


No it doesn't. It appears to highlight the fact that the Right doesn't understand the difference between a Constitutionally guaranteed right (voting) and going to see Eric Holder speak. Or to a Who concert. Or any of a million other things that aren't Constitutionally guaranteed that you need photo ID for.
 
2012-07-11 10:58:22 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: abb3w: It's a cheap shot. However, it does appear to highlight a seeming conflict between principles expressed and social norms, as to the appropriateness of "papers please" inquiries.

No it doesn't. It appears to highlight the fact that the Right doesn't understand the difference between a Constitutionally guaranteed right (voting) and going to see Eric Holder speak. Or to a Who concert. Or any of a million other things that aren't Constitutionally guaranteed that you need photo ID for.


You have a Constitutional right to buy a handgun, but you need an ID and a background check to do so.
 
2012-07-11 10:59:53 AM  

Triumph: You have a Constitutional right to buy a handgun, but you need an ID and a background check to do so.


You have a constitutional right to bear arms. Not handguns specifically. You can buy all kinds of arms without an ID and background check.
 
2012-07-11 11:07:36 AM  
My god, that poor chicken.
 
2012-07-11 11:17:55 AM  
Getting ID is free and very easy to do.
States requiring ID also have transportation services for the poor.
Why is the left so afraid to prove who they are?
 
2012-07-11 11:18:46 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: You have a Constitutional right to buy a handgun, but you need an ID and a background check to do so.

You have a constitutional right to bear arms. Not handguns specifically. You can buy all kinds of arms without an ID and background check.


Wrong. You need an ID to verify your age to buy any kind of firearm in most states. Often two IDs are required, as in Virginia. Normally, one of those IDs is required to be a state issued Driver's License or some form of Government ID.
 
2012-07-11 11:21:17 AM  

Triumph: Wrong. You need an ID to verify your age to buy any kind of firearm in most states. Often two IDs are required, as in Virginia. Normally, one of those IDs is required to be a state issued Driver's License or some form of Government ID.


Guess you don't know the difference between firearms and the word "arms" that is in the Constitution.
 
2012-07-11 11:23:49 AM  

BunkoSquad: My god, that poor chicken.


At this point, you have to wonder why the chicken keeps going back for more.
 
2012-07-11 11:25:40 AM  
Really? Green? This is pathetic Admins.
 
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2012-07-11 11:35:13 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Getting ID is free and very easy to do.
States requiring ID also have transportation services for the poor.
Why is the left so afraid to prove who they are?


No they don't. Most of the states I have lives in you either provided your own transportation or you didn't vote. There were private groups that arranged transportation for old people, but nothing provided by the state.

Besides, requiring ID isn't the problem it's the tricks and traps in the laws that make it more difficult for Democrats to vote.
 
2012-07-11 11:38:36 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: abb3w: It's a cheap shot. However, it does appear to highlight a seeming conflict between principles expressed and social norms, as to the appropriateness of "papers please" inquiries.

No it doesn't. It appears to highlight the fact that the Right doesn't understand the difference between a Constitutionally guaranteed right (voting) and going to see Eric Holder speak. Or to a Who concert. Or any of a million other things that aren't Constitutionally guaranteed that you need photo ID for.


Bingo. In Minnesota, you can verify your identification with a utility bill or even a vouching friend on same day as voting. It's designed to meet the lowest-common denominator and maximize turn-out--and it works great. Thanks to ALEC and a rare Republican majority in both state houses, we're also facing an onerous Voter ID constitutional amendment on the ballot this November.
 
2012-07-11 11:39:20 AM  

what_now: BunkoSquad: My god, that poor chicken.

At this point, you have to wonder why the chicken keeps going back for more.


There was a Fox article/Fark thread today about how Obama is responsible for the birfer movement.

In other words, the far-right is now officially blaming the chicken.
 
2012-07-11 11:54:56 AM  

cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: Wrong. You need an ID to verify your age to buy any kind of firearm in most states. Often two IDs are required, as in Virginia. Normally, one of those IDs is required to be a state issued Driver's License or some form of Government ID.

Guess you don't know the difference between firearms and the word "arms" that is in the Constitution.


Okay, sure. Actually, guess I didn't know the difference between you and a troll.
 
2012-07-11 11:59:45 AM  

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: Wrong. You need an ID to verify your age to buy any kind of firearm in most states. Often two IDs are required, as in Virginia. Normally, one of those IDs is required to be a state issued Driver's License or some form of Government ID.

Guess you don't know the difference between firearms and the word "arms" that is in the Constitution.

Okay, sure. Actually, guess I didn't know the difference between you and a troll.


I deal with reality. Or did you think that "keep and bear arms" isn't how it's worded in the Constitution? By the way, I am a gun owner.
 
2012-07-11 12:06:41 PM  
Oh, let's not turn this into one of THOSE second amendment threads. How about a rational analysis, like:
It's an event to see a highly-placed government figure. In ALL situations like this, a certain amount of security is required. Every time. It's moronic to an infantile degree to conflate an invited media/press event with the right that is pretty inarguably at the heart of what makes us as successful a system as we are.

But by all means, righties -- continue your coitus with that domesticated fowl. I'll keep imagining the scene from Pink Flamingos.
 
2012-07-11 12:32:45 PM  

BunkoSquad: My god, that poor chicken.


Yeah, he needs to buy more lube.
 
2012-07-11 12:55:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: It appears to highlight the fact that the Right doesn't understand the difference between a Constitutionally guaranteed right (voting) and going to see Eric Holder speak.


That's the particular case, yes.

However, the Constitutionality is irrelevant when trying to consider the problem from the principles underlying the particular constitutional expressions. The question isn't whether it's "legal", but whether it's "good". It seemed there used to be a broader social disapprobation for any manner of "papers please" inquiry.

Of course, it's a bit dichotomous if it's "Conservatives" pointing this out, since they've tended to be at the forefront of the push in that direction. Contrariwise, there's some libertarians out there, as well as a few (even otherwise conservative) Christians with a deep cultural aversion to government identification rooted in paranoia about the "number of the Beast".

dahmers love zombie: In ALL situations like this, a certain amount of security is required.


There is, however, the question of the balance of liberty versus security.

dahmers love zombie: . It's moronic to an infantile degree to conflate an invited media/press event with the right that is pretty inarguably at the heart of what makes us as successful a system as we are.


While the language is hyperbolic, this does seem the most significant distinction.
 
2012-07-11 01:27:04 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Getting ID is free and very easy to do.
States requiring ID also have transportation services for the poor.
Why is the left so afraid to prove who they are?


No it is not.
 
2012-07-11 01:27:05 PM  
It's not a constitutional right to see Eric Holder speak an NAACP event.
 
2012-07-11 01:27:26 PM  
This has the logical erudition of.... "Look at the irony! You can be 18 to vote to see if you can lower the drinking age to 19!"
 
2012-07-11 01:27:53 PM  
Hahahaha, figures. Probably to discourage whites from attending
 
2012-07-11 01:28:22 PM  
This is stupider than "congresswoman has swiss bank accounts TOO!"
 
2012-07-11 01:29:35 PM  

wxboy: Privately-sponsored event vs. Constitutionally-guaranteed right... Hmm..


DONE. IN. ONE.
 
2012-07-11 01:30:27 PM  
Pooooooop
 
2012-07-11 01:30:31 PM  
It's like comparing apples and elephants.
 
2012-07-11 01:31:03 PM  

wxboy: Privately-sponsored event vs. Constitutionally-guaranteed right... Hmm..


There is absolutely, positively, no right to not have to show ID to vote. None whatsoever.

Voter ID laws are needless attempts to thin the Dem voting herd but let us not pretend that they could not be instituted because of constitutional restrictions. They would probably have to be provided free of charge but barring any sort of personal cost associated with obtaining that ID, it's kosher


That said, I have no idea what the hell showing ID to go to an event has to do with showing an ID to vote.
 
2012-07-11 01:33:09 PM  
In this particular event... might have been a good idea to relax requirements, in particular because media credentials and equipment would still be necessary for those who attend and one could make a point without a security concern. Of course, no one would report on this, rendering this a moot action, but the other side is whining from people who fail to understand any possible disenfranchisement of legitimate voters should be avoided while simultaneously touting the greatness of democracy with populist demagoguery.
 
2012-07-11 01:33:25 PM  

Triumph: cameroncrazy1984: abb3w: It's a cheap shot. However, it does appear to highlight a seeming conflict between principles expressed and social norms, as to the appropriateness of "papers please" inquiries.

No it doesn't. It appears to highlight the fact that the Right doesn't understand the difference between a Constitutionally guaranteed right (voting) and going to see Eric Holder speak. Or to a Who concert. Or any of a million other things that aren't Constitutionally guaranteed that you need photo ID for.

You have a Constitutional right to buy a handgun, but you need an ID and a background check to do so.


Voting is more important than stuffing a penis extender down your jeans.
 
2012-07-11 01:33:38 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Getting ID is free and very easy to do.
States requiring ID also have transportation services for the poor.
Why is the left so afraid to prove who they are?


Gah. I know I'm being trolled, but....

My daughter paid $9.50 for her Tennessee photo id about a month ago. And just for fun, the only place to get a photo id was at the DMV on the far east side of the county, 25 miles from the center of Knoxville.

Also, my state doesn't bother to have voting booths with paper trails. Awesome.
 
2012-07-11 01:34:20 PM  
Pres being required to present press credentials is not in any way ever quite the farking same as being required to pay for an ID to get the privilege to express a Constitutionally guaranteed right, you stupid moronic twits.

Not only that, it only mentions that the PRESS was required to show ID in the article right farking there.
 
2012-07-11 01:35:11 PM  
Not on topic, though it's the closest thread I could find on this.

Today between 12:20 and 12:30 Rush Limbaugh was talking about Romney getting booed while speaking at the NAACP. He comments on how 'white' Romney sounded while speaking to the NAACP, where Obama changed they way he spoke to sound like them. Then he proceeds to do a 'blackface' interpretation of how Obama sounded.

Did anyone hear that, or get it recorded to post on the internet? Whenever I get a chance to listen to him I keep thinking that I can't believe he said that, but never see any outrage.

Granted, He is the conservative counterpart to Howard Stern (or at least what Howard Stern was 15 years ago). So any plubicity for him is probably better for him than sinking into irrelevance. Perhaps this stuff just slides on by.
 
2012-07-11 01:35:38 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Triumph: Wrong. You need an ID to verify your age to buy any kind of firearm in most states. Often two IDs are required, as in Virginia. Normally, one of those IDs is required to be a state issued Driver's License or some form of Government ID.

Guess you don't know the difference between firearms and the word "arms" that is in the Constitution.


Yeah, man. I mean, that dude(?) at the Renaissance Festival don't ask for ID. As long as you're wearing tights and can produce $450, he'll sell you a crap broadsword no questions asked. So THERE!
 
2012-07-11 01:36:06 PM  
Apples and oranges indeed.
It is not like a Cabinet member is at every poll station.
Or that some Republican douchebag activist would not try and crash the event and make a scene.
 
2012-07-11 01:36:25 PM  

Mikey1969: Pres being required to present press credentials is not in any way ever quite the farking same as being required to pay for an ID to get the privilege to express a Constitutionally guaranteed right, you stupid moronic twits.

Not only that, it only mentions that the PRESS was required to show ID in the article right farking there.


Press passes? It's better if we have Baba Booey show up so he can ask Holder how big his dick is.
 
2012-07-11 01:37:20 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-11 01:38:56 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: Getting ID is free and very easy to do.
States requiring ID also have transportation services for the poor.
Why is the left so afraid to prove who they are?


Except that's not the stated goal of these laws. The stated goal is widespread disenfranchisement, but you knew that already...

How else can you explain the Texas provision that goes out of it's way to exclude student IDs issued from public universities? There's just no rationalizing or excusing that.
 
2012-07-11 01:39:03 PM  
This is so stupid and boring that I'm going to go troll /x/. I hope your happy.
 
2012-07-11 01:40:18 PM  
Ya know if I had any shoop skillz at all I would consider taking this [jpg] from the classic 48 Hours movie and shooping Holder's face over Eddie Murphy's.

Alas, I am technotarded.

/Pic has NSFW language.
 
2012-07-11 01:42:52 PM  

MisterLoki: This is so stupid and boring that I'm going to go troll /x/. I hope your you're happy.


See what you made me do?
 
2012-07-11 01:43:27 PM  

BunkoSquad: My god, that poor chicken.


It's just a bloody paste with a few feathers at this point
 
2012-07-11 01:44:30 PM  

vpb: jehovahs witness protection: Getting ID is free and very easy to do.
States requiring ID also have transportation services for the poor.
Why is the left so afraid to prove who they are?

No they don't. Most of the states I have lives in you either provided your own transportation or you didn't vote. There were private groups that arranged transportation for old people, but nothing provided by the state.


I went to school in Michelle Bachman's district, and not only was there no polling places on campus at the second biggest school in the state, there was also no transportation to polls from campus. That, and they rejected my utility bill and student ID at the polling place...
 
2012-07-11 01:44:48 PM  
In this thread:

People will tell you how easy it is to get a photo ID without explaining why decades upon decades of voting without a photo ID reveals almost zero voter fraud occurring.
 
2012-07-11 01:47:14 PM  

wxboy: Privately-sponsored event vs. Constitutionally-guaranteed right... Hmm..


So why do I have to pay $100 for a safety coarse, get 2 notarized character references, sit through an interview with the police chief, pay another $100 for a background check to get a permit and then pass another background check before I'm allowed to buy a gun?
 
2012-07-11 01:49:31 PM  

Lumpmoose: Bingo. In Minnesota, you can verify your identification with a utility bill or even a vouching friend on same day as voting. It's designed to meet the lowest-common denominator and maximize turn-out--and it works great. Thanks to ALEC and a rare Republican majority in both state houses, we're also facing an onerous Voter ID constitutional amendment on the ballot this November.


It does not always work great. These requirements are too subjective. I've been turned away twice--once because my vouching person didn't have the proper identification, and once because they thought my utility bill "looked funny." And they refused to take student id's, just minutes away from the second largest school in the state.
 
2012-07-11 01:49:44 PM  

Callous: wxboy: Privately-sponsored event vs. Constitutionally-guaranteed right... Hmm..

So why do I have to pay $100 for a safety coarse, get 2 notarized character references, sit through an interview with the police chief, pay another $100 for a background check to get a permit and then pass another background check before I'm allowed to buy a gun?


helli6n.com
 
2012-07-11 01:50:02 PM  
i.imgur.com


the fark didn't I save this the LAST time I made it?
 
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