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(Kings of Kauffman)   The media clutching their pearls and looking for their fainting couches over the Royals fans booing of Cano is not about sportsmanship or decorum, but more about Royals fans daring to care as much about baseball as big market teams   (kingsofkauffman.com) divider line 68
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2012-07-11 11:48:35 AM
It's good to see Rob Neyer found work again.
 
2012-07-11 11:57:15 AM
Memo to the blogger: Tell David Glass to spend more of his farking money and MAYBE you'll start seeing a winner in KC.
 
2012-07-11 11:59:34 AM
Oh hey, this article. Lemme just copy paste my post from the previous "OMG there's booing!" thread:

Uh, that article was whine-tastic. Want people to take the Royals seriously? Get your act together and work towards fielding a decent team. Which the Royals are finally starting to do, maybe. Rather than inflate their payroll by bringing in a few midlevel overpaid veterans to look like they give a damn. A crap team doesn't need Kyle Farnsworth and Jose Guillen sucking up ~20million a year.

But no, it's all "we've sucked forever and it's no fair that everyone thinks we suck!" From that link: "One of the standard bearers of this system is dishonesty. Major League Baseball has enacted policies and practices that run contrary to the pronounced goal of an equal playing field and a spirit of honest competition." Like 9 teams have won an NBA championship in the past 30 years. The NFL achieves parity by schedule manipulation (playing 2-3 tougher teams a year in a 16 game season makes a HUGE difference). In either of those leagues, at least until the lockouts and new CBAs, a bad top draft pick meant you had a ton of money locked into a guy, and were pretty much crippled for a number of years. Baseball actually does an alright job with parity.

Furthermore, as to east coast fans, the story would be "Oh, those passionate Phillie/Sawks fans! They're such assholes! Can you believe how assholish those assholes are?" Which is pretty critical. It's just hard to notice that criticism because you hear it all the time.

Having a bad owner sucks, and having a bad owner in a smaller market really sucks. I definitely understand the feeling of powerlessness that comes with that, and sure, there's a good amount of "the Royals have fans!?!?!" that's driving this story. And sure, there's also a double standard where midwesterners, especially ones from the plains, aren't allowed or expected to be assholes.

But, FTFA: "Going back on that statement amounted to a slap in the face from the rich kid whose dad paid his way through Harvard to the kid working nights to put himself through a state school."

Give me a break. Cano didn't work as hard to get where he is because he's a Yankee? He's not actually that good? None of these things make any sense. I understand Yankee hating, and yeah, the Yankees treated KC as their personal AAA team for like half a century. But make some farking sense.
 
2012-07-11 12:01:09 PM

Rwa2play: Memo to the blogger: Tell David Glass to spend more of his farking money and MAYBE you'll start seeing a winner in KC.


What's amazing is that, in some ways, the Royals don't need to spend money. Or, they need to spend it more wisely (as they have started to do, I think.) For a while, they had a habit of overpaying mediocre players in order to look like they cared. Which is pretty awful.
 
2012-07-11 12:01:23 PM
The royals had a great team out there ... they were all just in different unis.
 
2012-07-11 12:03:41 PM

Dafatone: Rwa2play: Memo to the blogger: Tell David Glass to spend more of his farking money and MAYBE you'll start seeing a winner in KC.

What's amazing is that, in some ways, the Royals don't need to spend money. Or, they need to spend it more wisely (as they have started to do, I think.) For a while, they had a habit of overpaying mediocre players in order to look like they cared. Which is pretty awful.


True; it's one thing if you spend, it's another when you overspend on underperforming talent.
 
2012-07-11 12:07:00 PM
What have they been doing with all their awesome draft picks the last 25 years?
 
2012-07-11 12:08:14 PM

Wise_Guy: What have they been doing with all their awesome draft picks the last 25 years?


Wasting them on lesser talent that is cheaper to sign, I'm pretty sure.
 
2012-07-11 12:11:49 PM

Dafatone: Wise_Guy: What have they been doing with all their awesome draft picks the last 25 years?

Wasting them on lesser talent that is cheaper to sign, I'm pretty sure.


I guess so. There aren't too many teams that haven't made the playoffs since 1985.
 
2012-07-11 12:17:02 PM

Wise_Guy: What have they been doing with all their awesome draft picks the last 25 years?


Here you go. Greinke was a great pick and there are some recent ones with potential. But otherwise, ugh.

/happy Mike Moustakas owner in fantasy
 
2012-07-11 12:20:44 PM

FreakinB: /happy Mike Moustakas owner in fantasy


Me too. Someone in our league dropped early in the year when he had a high .BA to start with but his power numbers were meh (at the time). Picked him up to fill out my bench but he's been a solid starter.

Alcides Escobar was my last draft pick too, just as a "f*ck it" move. God, my arm is sure starting to get sore patting myself on the back, can anyone help me out?
 
2012-07-11 12:30:10 PM
Trenni's linked article Link is much less butthurt, but here is the key line to this whole controversy, Cano told ESPN's John Kruk in June, "That's gonna be the right thing. You gotta pick one of the Royals players, because that's their hometown and that's where the all star is gonna be and fans wanna see their players. It's gonna make it more fun."

Royals fans and Trenni take that to mean "I will pick Billy Butler and if I don't I am a douche, a liar, and you are totally justified in booing me at every conceivable opportunity."

Now, I had not seen that quote before this thread, but in previous threads, I asserted that Butler did not belong and Cano was totally justified in not picking him. This quote does not invalidate that assertion.

On the other hand, I could see the strong implication that Cano was going to pick a Royal by the fact that he said, "That's gonna be the right thing. You gotta pick one of the Royals players...."

That being said, I am completely against booing in general as I find it stupid, but I can see why that reaction would be generated.

I am completely cheesed off by the way Buck and McCarver treated Ryan Braun in comparison to the other players, but I will need to get over it, just like KC fans.
 
2012-07-11 12:30:28 PM

Dafatone: Oh hey, this article. Lemme just copy paste my post from the previous "OMG there's booing!" thread:


Heh, I submitted this earlier, then figured it wouldn't go green once the Deapspin article went up. And then it did like 10 minutes after I dropped out of the other thread to do some work.

The state of baseball's finances doesn't really bother me as much as it once did. It is what it is, I'm kind of just accepted it, and yes the problems of small market teams are somewhat overblown. Also I've kind of just evolved as a person where I'm becoming a bit more selective in what sports I really follow closely. That said:

At the very least you have to admit that baseball's system forces different teams to compete with a different set of rules. People have mentioned the Royals giving contracts to mediocre talent, but a lot of that is due to them not being able to risk some of the bigger contracts for better players. If the Sox blow $50m or whatever on DiceK or Lester and don't get anything out of them, they eat the contract and move on. If the Royals do that, they're in much worse shape. Yes, maybe Glass could afford to spend a bit more but the point is, the vast TV contracts the big market teams can command gives them much more freedom take risks like this.

The other tact is to follow the Rays plan and sign your young talent early to big contracts, and hope they don't blow out an ACL or fall off a cliff or something, but again, the margin for error there for the have-not's in baseball is much slimmer.

Here's the thing that I don't really understand: Unless you're a baseball player yourself, why is an MLB cap/floor/max contract such a horrific thing to consider? If it's all about front offices making good decisions and building a team in the right way, putting in such things will in theory not change anything: Teams that make smart decisions will still succeed.
 
2012-07-11 12:35:54 PM

Killer Cars: FreakinB: /happy Mike Moustakas owner in fantasy

Me too. Someone in our league dropped early in the year when he had a high .BA to start with but his power numbers were meh (at the time). Picked him up to fill out my bench but he's been a solid starter.

Alcides Escobar was my last draft pick too, just as a "f*ck it" move. God, my arm is sure starting to get sore patting myself on the back, can anyone help me out?


When the season started who would have thought him and Jeter would be neck to neck stats rise

FreakinB: Wise_Guy: What have they been doing with all their awesome draft picks the last 25 years?

Here you go. Greinke was a great pick and there are some recent ones with potential. But otherwise, ugh.

/happy Mike Moustakas owner in fantasy


Until about 2006 they made cheaper sign able pics. Now they are spending record numbers of bonus money. Well record money for us.
 
2012-07-11 12:36:04 PM
I don't think KC would have cared if Cano hadn't said he'd practically pick Butler in an interview and then back out of it. And I really don't think KC would have minded if he gave an honest answer as to why he backed out of picking Butler and apologized on needlessly exciting the hometown fans on seeing him in the derby. But his "I really don't care about the fans" comment just validated the disdain that the fans had for Cano. When you have people hiring planes flying over the stadium with "You blew it, Cano", you've got to believe that there's some justification to the city's feeling.
 
2012-07-11 12:40:26 PM
booing him was a sign of a good baseball town. In tampa or miami they wouldn't have even noticed unless they put it up on the jumbotron.
 
2012-07-11 12:42:44 PM

Killer Cars: FreakinB: /happy Mike Moustakas owner in fantasy

Me too. Someone in our league dropped early in the year when he had a high .BA to start with but his power numbers were meh (at the time). Picked him up to fill out my bench but he's been a solid starter.


I have him in an auction keeper league. Unlimited keepers, but the more guys you keep the more their prices go up (1st 3 guys each cost $3 more next year, next 3 each cost $6 more, and so on). I had to pay a decent amount for him this year, but assuming he keeps it up in the 2nd half he'll be sticking around.
 
2012-07-11 12:43:38 PM

SuperT: booing him was a sign of a good baseball town. In tampa or miami they wouldn't have even noticed unless they put it up on the jumbotron.


Amen. Shows loyalty and love for are Country Breakfast
 
2012-07-11 12:43:49 PM

jayhawk88: Here's the thing that I don't really understand: Unless you're a baseball player yourself, why is an MLB cap/floor/max contract such a horrific thing to consider? If it's all about front offices making good decisions and building a team in the right way, putting in such things will in theory not change anything: Teams that make smart decisions will still succeed.


I'll admit, I'm a Mets fan, so part of me wants my team to be able to have a huge payroll. Of course, we're kinda broke now, or effectively broke because our owners claim to be so, even though they're probably taking three moneybaths a day.

A cap/floor system wouldn't be terrible for competitiveness, I think. I don't like the idea of a max contract, because I don't think that's terribly fair to the players. For all the arguments of "they're rich enough already," that goes ten times as much for the owners. Just about all the owners of low-payroll teams could afford a much higher payroll; they just choose not to have one, and if salaries are lower, that just means more money in the owners' pockets. Ticket and concession prices just aren't coming back down.

But the important thing to me is the floor, moreso than the cap. I really hated watching the Marlins get about 30 million in shared revenue and field a team with a payroll of 40 million. That's much more offensive to me than the Yankees throwing all the world's money at free agents. The Yankees, when all is said and done, don't turn all that large a profit. If more teams were willing to take that approach, maybe they'd be more competitive.
 
2012-07-11 12:44:27 PM
Not only are KC fans well within their rights to boo Cano if they feel strongly enough about it, but the only logical thing after doing that is to yell at his family in the stands as well.

This whole thing is just silly. When Cano gave the interview he most definitely had no idea which Royal would be their courtesy All-Star selection. The whole "I don't care about the fans" remark was in the context of them booing him, not the decision itself.

Oh well.
 
2012-07-11 12:44:29 PM
eff the fans in KC. I can see the initial upset, but come on, this is about some skills contest and a virtually meaningless baseball interlude. They took it too far (meaning too long), which is totally their prerogative, but it just shows their lack of perspective. I'm not surprised. But now they've firmly planted themselves in the category of folks who hate the Yankees, which is pretty much everybody who is not the Yankees and their fans. Congratulations, here's your not-so-unique label. Tards.
 
2012-07-11 12:45:31 PM
ITT: the Tatsumas of the Sports Tab. You either like or have no problem with any and all things the Yankees do, or you or an anti-semit...I mean Yankees Hater. Disagree with any thing about the organization or a player in it and it's 'Your just a hater!'
 
2012-07-11 12:46:11 PM

sumnerdave: But his "I really don't care about the fans" comment just validated the disdain that the fans had for Cano.


He said that after being asked how the booing made him feel. When you take it in context with what else he was saying, he was clearly trying to say something like "I don't care if they boo - that's their right. It doesn't bother me". He just stumbled over his wording (and keep in mind that English isn't his first language). It didn't validate anything
 
2012-07-11 12:48:48 PM
Are you allowed to pick guys not in the AS game for the HR Derby?

I ask because Cano had to submit his choices before they announced Butler would be the Royals rep.
 
2012-07-11 12:48:53 PM

sumnerdave: I don't think KC would have cared if Cano hadn't said he'd practically pick Butler in an interview and then back out of it. And I really don't think KC would have minded if he gave an honest answer as to why he backed out of picking Butler and apologized on needlessly exciting the hometown fans on seeing him in the derby. But his "I really don't care about the fans" comment just validated the disdain that the fans had for Cano. When you have people hiring planes flying over the stadium with "You blew it, Cano", you've got to believe that there's some justification to the city's feeling.


There is possibly even a case to be made concerning fraud. If Cano never intended to play a Royal, but claimed he did in order to drive TICKET SALES sold to local fans there is potentially a legal course of action by fans. Not sure if a judge would let it proceed, but it probably wouldn't be hard to demonstrate a bait/switch. And you SURE as hell don't want that to get in front of a jury at the Federal court in KC.
 
2012-07-11 12:49:00 PM

lunchinlewis: eff the fans in KC. I can see the initial upset, but come on, this is about some skills contest and a virtually meaningless baseball interlude. They took it too far (meaning too long), which is totally their prerogative, but it just shows their lack of perspective. I'm not surprised. But now they've firmly planted themselves in the category of folks who hate the Yankees, which is pretty much everybody who is not the Yankees and their fans. Congratulations, here's your not-so-unique label. Tards.


Yes, Since hating the Yankees for 40+ years is now jumping on the hate bandwagon.
 
2012-07-11 12:51:14 PM

madgonad: There is possibly even a case to be made concerning fraud. If Cano never intended to play a Royal, but claimed he did in order to drive TICKET SALES sold to local fans there is potentially a legal course of action by fans. Not sure if a judge would let it proceed, but it probably wouldn't be hard to demonstrate a bait/switch. And you SURE as hell don't want that to get in front of a jury at the Federal court in KC.


My assumption is that you're being facetious, but assuming you're not, this all falls apart when it becomes clear that the event was sold out long before Cano made those comments.
 
2012-07-11 12:52:48 PM

rudemix: ITT: the Tatsumas of the Sports Tab. You either like or have no problem with any and all things the Yankees do, or you or an anti-semit...I mean Yankees Hater. Disagree with any thing about the organization or a player in it and it's 'Your just a hater!'


Or you could just be wrong, and Cano's poor decision to say that choosing someone from the home team was the right thing to do, then not doing it has nothing to do with the fact that he is a Yankee. He made a mistake, they booed, everyone needs to move on.

//Would Tim Tebow have booed Cano?
///This story is the new Tebow, 3 greens in 24 hours? Really? And still no one is talking about Colt McCoy? He would have booed for sure.
 
2012-07-11 12:54:35 PM
I answered my own question:

"Cano had previously indicated his intention to do so but didn't know until late who would represent the Royals. While there's no requirement that the Derby contestants also be All-Stars, that's almost invariably the case.
"I had to pick my team way before everybody was named to the All-Star team, which is what fans don't understand," Cano said."


Link
 
2012-07-11 12:56:38 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: lunchinlewis: eff the fans in KC. I can see the initial upset, but come on, this is about some skills contest and a virtually meaningless baseball interlude. They took it too far (meaning too long), which is totally their prerogative, but it just shows their lack of perspective. I'm not surprised. But now they've firmly planted themselves in the category of folks who hate the Yankees, which is pretty much everybody who is not the Yankees and their fans. Congratulations, here's your not-so-unique label. Tards.

Yes, Since hating the Yankees for 40+ years is now jumping on the hate bandwagon.


Give him a break, he's from Virginia. Their rich baseball history goes all the way back to 2005.
 
2012-07-11 12:59:37 PM

room at the top: Mid_mo_mad_man: lunchinlewis: eff the fans in KC. I can see the initial upset, but come on, this is about some skills contest and a virtually meaningless baseball interlude. They took it too far (meaning too long), which is totally their prerogative, but it just shows their lack of perspective. I'm not surprised. But now they've firmly planted themselves in the category of folks who hate the Yankees, which is pretty much everybody who is not the Yankees and their fans. Congratulations, here's your not-so-unique label. Tards.

Yes, Since hating the Yankees for 40+ years is now jumping on the hate bandwagon.

Give him a break, he's from Virginia. Their rich baseball history goes all the way back to 2005.


Well I'm actually old enough to remember the last version of the Senators (barely). But as a Yankee fan since 1976, there's really not any form of disdain for them that I've not been exposed to. It just gets old.
 
2012-07-11 01:00:39 PM
The Yankees fans calling Butler a courtesy pick on here I need to ask you something. Was Jeter starting at ss really for his work this year or because he wears pin stripes
 
2012-07-11 01:04:42 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The Yankees fans calling Butler a courtesy pick on here I need to ask you something. Was Jeter starting at ss really for his work this year or because he wears pin stripes


It was because All-Star starters are chosen by the fans. If you have a problem with the voting system, that's one thing, but that's the way it is.
 
2012-07-11 01:06:59 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The Yankees fans calling Butler a courtesy pick on here I need to ask you something. Was Jeter starting at ss really for his work this year or because he wears pin stripes


He's doing slightly better than Escobar. Not by much, but you can't say Escobar deserved it over Jeter.
 
2012-07-11 01:09:27 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: The Yankees fans calling Butler a courtesy pick on here I need to ask you something. Was Jeter starting at ss really for his work this year or because he wears pin stripes


It's not like there was an obvious better choice instead of Jeter. Andrus is having maybe a slightly better year, depending on how much you value steals. Alcides Escobar is having a solid year, but he's behind Jeter by just a little across the board except in steals. Asdrubal Cabrera's probably the best SS bat, but not by much.

All three of those guys beat Jeter in defense, sure. But it's pretty much a statistical wash over all of them.
 
2012-07-11 01:10:15 PM

Wise_Guy: Mid_mo_mad_man: The Yankees fans calling Butler a courtesy pick on here I need to ask you something. Was Jeter starting at ss really for his work this year or because he wears pin stripes

He's doing slightly better than Escobar. Not by much, but you can't say Escobar deserved it over Jeter.


I will and here's why. Quick raise your hand if you predicted that from Escobar
 
2012-07-11 01:13:43 PM

Yanks_RSJ: My assumption is that you're being facetious, but assuming you're not, this all falls apart when it becomes clear that the event was sold out long before Cano made those comments.


I was being facetious - but I did want to make the point that fans felt manipulated. A buddy of mine was trying to talk me into going after he bought two tickets (at $170 each!) through the Royals sanctioned/controlled resale site. I don't even know when Cano made the statement.
 
2012-07-11 01:13:48 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: I will and here's why. Quick raise your hand if you predicted that from Escobar


That would be relevant if this was the "Exceeding Expectations Game" we're talking about. But it isn't.
 
2012-07-11 01:15:25 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Wise_Guy: Mid_mo_mad_man: The Yankees fans calling Butler a courtesy pick on here I need to ask you something. Was Jeter starting at ss really for his work this year or because he wears pin stripes

He's doing slightly better than Escobar. Not by much, but you can't say Escobar deserved it over Jeter.

I will and here's why. Quick raise your hand if you predicted that from Escobar


ALLSTAR GAMES DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!
 
2012-07-11 01:16:35 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Mid_mo_mad_man: I will and here's why. Quick raise your hand if you predicted that from Escobar

That would be relevant if this was the "Exceeding Expectations Game" we're talking about. But it isn't.


So being a better defender at ss and having a breakout year means counts for nothing?
 
2012-07-11 01:21:07 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: So being a better defender at ss and having a breakout year means counts for nothing?


Stop using things like "breakout year" as if that means something, because it isn't at all relevant. Yeah, it is his breakout year, but this is the All-Star Game, and Escobar's breakout year is practically identical to Jeter's 18th year.
 
2012-07-11 01:26:25 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Yanks_RSJ: Mid_mo_mad_man: I will and here's why. Quick raise your hand if you predicted that from Escobar

That would be relevant if this was the "Exceeding Expectations Game" we're talking about. But it isn't.

So being a better defender at ss and having a breakout year means counts for nothing?


Brett Gardner had a breakout year or sorts in 2010 and didn't make the ASG. And there wasn't any crying then
 
2012-07-11 01:28:40 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Mid_mo_mad_man: So being a better defender at ss and having a breakout year means counts for nothing?

Stop using things like "breakout year" as if that means something, because it isn't at all relevant. Yeah, it is his breakout year, but this is the All-Star Game, and Escobar's breakout year is practically identical to Jeter's 18th year.


So a no defense Yankee who's offensively the same as defensive wizard should always start the ASG ? What do Royals have to do to make the team? Face the facts you just mad because it's not 9 Yankees vs NL
 
2012-07-11 01:30:07 PM
Can we dispense with this silly "X number of different teams winning the championship means there's parity" nonsense? Baseball has a broken financial model; small-market owners are rewarded for not spending money, and the larger markets are not effectively prevented from spending money. This is not parity.

Yes, different teams have won the Series in the last decade. How many of those teams have been competitive and have been able to make the postseason year after year? The Diamondbacks and White Sox made it back a couple of times, but the Marlins finished above third once.

You want actual parity in baseball? From the end of the Yankees' World Series run after the 1978 season, until the strike of 1994 - fifteen seasons - twelve different teams won the Series, including teams in Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Milwaukee, Kansas City, and Toronto. And those teams were able to be competitive aside from just the one year. This recent era? The Marlins had to have a fire sale, the White Sox haven't won any other postseason series, and Baltimore and Toronto can't catch a whiff of a post-season. The Rays won two division titles, got to a World Series, and that team can't be held together because they can't put people in the seats and can't compete with the New York and Boston payrolls when it comes time to keep good players.
 
2012-07-11 01:31:54 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Yanks_RSJ: Mid_mo_mad_man: So being a better defender at ss and having a breakout year means counts for nothing?

Stop using things like "breakout year" as if that means something, because it isn't at all relevant. Yeah, it is his breakout year, but this is the All-Star Game, and Escobar's breakout year is practically identical to Jeter's 18th year.

So a no defense Yankee who's offensively the same as defensive wizard should always start the ASG ? What do Royals have to do to make the team? Face the facts you just mad because it's not 9 Yankees vs NL


Or serfs how dare you boo your betters the Yankees
 
2012-07-11 01:34:28 PM
Cano got booed?

Cool. :-)
 
2012-07-11 01:35:39 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: So a no defense Yankee who's offensively the same as defensive wizard should always start the ASG ?


His UZR/150 is -17.8 for the season. Jeter's is -20.4. That's pretty close. Although both have actually been better in the past (Escobar more so), so that might just be small sample size noise.

FanGraphs has Jeter at 1.2 WAR and Escobar at 1.3 WAR - which is a statistical tie.

As I said yesterday, there is an argument for Escobar, but you can't say that one has been clearly better than the other so far this year.
 
2012-07-11 01:36:38 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Yanks_RSJ: Mid_mo_mad_man: So being a better defender at ss and having a breakout year means counts for nothing?

Stop using things like "breakout year" as if that means something, because it isn't at all relevant. Yeah, it is his breakout year, but this is the All-Star Game, and Escobar's breakout year is practically identical to Jeter's 18th year.

So a no defense Yankee who's offensively the same as defensive wizard should always start the ASG ? What do Royals have to do to make the team? Face the facts you just mad because it's not 9 Yankees vs NL


Wtf do you actually expect as a response here? Is Yanks_RSJ supposed to say "gee, you're right! I never thought of it that way! I really do just want to see 9 Yankees in the allstar game. Thank you for opening my eyes!"
 
2012-07-11 01:38:00 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: So a no defense Yankee who's offensively the same as defensive wizard should always start the ASG ? What do Royals have to do to make the team? Face the facts you just mad because it's not 9 Yankees vs NL


Your "defensive wizard" is, by most statistical measures, the 2nd-worst defensive SS in the AL. He is ahead of Jeter though, so he's got that going for him.

I've called it a draw between the two players, but I'm not making ridiculous statements that have no basis in reality like you are. Brendan Ryan is a defensive wizard. Alcides Escobar is a bad defensive player, despite whatever diving stops he's made that have led you to the belief that he's a good one.
 
2012-07-11 01:38:25 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: Yanks_RSJ: Mid_mo_mad_man: So being a better defender at ss and having a breakout year means counts for nothing?

Stop using things like "breakout year" as if that means something, because it isn't at all relevant. Yeah, it is his breakout year, but this is the All-Star Game, and Escobar's breakout year is practically identical to Jeter's 18th year.

So a no defense Yankee who's offensively the same as defensive wizard should always start the ASG ? What do Royals have to do to make the team? Face the facts you just mad because it's not 9 Yankees vs NL


Look, I'm no Yankee fan, but I don't think that there's so much of a difference between the two this year to warrant being upset about one being picked over the other.
 
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