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(Politico)   Congress exists inside an infinite improbability bubble, generated by the Brownian motion of its elected members; as such, it's completely able to ignore reality and travel to any fantasy land imaginable all at once   (politico.com) divider line 46
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2012-07-11 08:43:53 AM
I think it is dawning on them that they have painted themselves into a corner.
 
2012-07-11 09:45:43 AM
And to think I always viewed Congress as a macro-level drunkard's walk.
 
2012-07-11 09:46:28 AM
I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.
 
2012-07-11 09:46:28 AM
judging by the headline, i don't think i'll waste any time reading that one...
 
2012-07-11 09:47:35 AM

deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.


that's crazy talk. all austerity all the time. that's the way to go.
 
2012-07-11 09:47:39 AM

colon_pow: judging by the headline, i don't think i'll waste any time reading that one...


Leave understanding big words to your betters, am I right?
 
2012-07-11 09:47:58 AM
Well, there is something involved that is brown.

/And, it's not UPS.
 
2012-07-11 09:48:50 AM
Are you telling me that the GOP isn't actually interested in decreasing the size of government, or decreasing government spending?

How do they plan on slipping this by their teabag friends?
 
2012-07-11 09:50:05 AM

rtaylor92: deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.

that's crazy talk. all austerity all the time. that's the way to go.


Yes, let's model ourselves after North Korea! Their economy is booming and their military might is unmatched, keeping them safe from all aggressors!
 
2012-07-11 09:50:36 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: colon_pow: judging by the headline, i don't think i'll waste any time reading that one...

Leave understanding big words to your betters, am I right?


yea, i'll leave the metaphysical mumbo jumbo to you eggheads.
 
2012-07-11 09:52:46 AM

incendi: rtaylor92: deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.

that's crazy talk. all austerity all the time. that's the way to go.

Yes, let's model ourselves after North Korea! Their economy is booming and their military might is unmatched, keeping them safe from all aggressors!


North Korea is Best Korea!
 
2012-07-11 09:54:32 AM
I say make the cuts. All of them. And don;t even allow a deal to be reached, even if one is possible.


without fear of real consequences, those in power won't ever change.
 
2012-07-11 09:54:47 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Are you telling me that the GOP isn't actually interested in decreasing the size of government, or decreasing government spending?

How do they plan on slipping this by their teabag friends?


Large campaign contributions and hookers will salve their souls.
 
2012-07-11 09:55:26 AM
Congress, as run by the marketing department of the Sirius Cybernetics Corporation...

/I never get invited to those kind of parties
 
2012-07-11 10:01:33 AM

Jacobin: HotWingConspiracy: Are you telling me that the GOP isn't actually interested in decreasing the size of government, or decreasing government spending?

How do they plan on slipping this by their teabag friends?

Large campaign contributions and hookers will salve their souls.


Off by only a few seconds, this would have been an amazing simulpost.
 
2012-07-11 10:01:52 AM

deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.


Because like it or not, you can't just cut potentially 100's of thousands of generally well paying jobs at once without a greatly negative effect on the economy as a whole. At the best of times it could cause a recession. Right now? A pretty severe depression.

These cuts would hurt everyone.
 
2012-07-11 10:03:45 AM
Actually I think it's a Somebody Else's Problem Field.
 
2012-07-11 10:06:25 AM

Robespierre: I say make the cuts. All of them. And don;t even allow a deal to be reached, even if one is possible.


without fear of real consequences, those in power won't ever change.


So you're more concerned with what gets cut, and less concerned with how much. It's a philosophy, I guess.

// I'm sort of with you in theory - the US doesn't need to outspend the other top-17 countries' "defense" budgets
// but the stated goal of these cuts was "deficit reduction"
// and is the USPS still required to fund 75 years' worth of pensions? If not, I think I found some "savings"...
 
2012-07-11 10:06:33 AM
Leave ONLY the following (Federal budget 2010 figures):

Medicare (453 billion)
Social Security (705 billion)
Defense: DOD (663 billion) + Homeland Security (42.5 billion) + Veterans Affairs (52.5 billion) + Department of state (51.7 billion)
Interest on debt: (163 billion)

Total: 2.13 trillion

Revenues in 2010: 2.381 trillion

Woohoo! Budget deficit solved!

Oh and cut taxes even more on the wealthy so revenues: 2.0 trillion. Oops.

This is what most Republicans actually believe we should do. (If you cut SS and reduce SS taxes appropriately it changes nothing currently in the budget.)

/farking morans
 
2012-07-11 10:15:09 AM

Deneb81: deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.

Because like it or not, you can't just cut potentially 100's of thousands of generally well paying jobs at once without a greatly negative effect on the economy as a whole. At the best of times it could cause a recession. Right now? A pretty severe depression.

These cuts would hurt everyone.


And yet cutting jobs in other sectors of the government is great because government doesn't create jobs remember?
 
2012-07-11 10:16:23 AM
Dr Dreidel:


without fear of real consequences, those in power won't ever change.

So you're more concerned with what gets cut, and less concerned with how much. It's a philosophy, I guess.

// I'm sort of with you in theory - the US doesn't need to outspend the other top-17 countries' "defense" budgets
// but the stated goal of these cuts was "deficit reduction"
// and is the USPS still required to fund 75 years' worth of pensions? If not, I think I found some "savings"...


I don't really care about the budget deficit. I do think the military is too big, but since its essentially the "American welfare plan" i don't see it as significantly different that a public works program, though i would argue it leads to less tangible benefits. Honestly, i think it would be best to make the cuts, because then you would have a huge influx of people into the country who have been systemically trained to ignore feelings, and to mercilessly kill those who are "the enemy", and then leave them unemployed and largely unemployable.

Fear is what prevents tyranny, and those in power have no fear.
 
2012-07-11 10:18:07 AM
If you cut military spending too much, the military will just decide they know how to govern better than you, and use the fact that they control all the guns to help drive that point home.
 
2012-07-11 10:19:59 AM
FTFA:

That could come in the form of closing loopholes, selling federal property or increasing fees, Graham said

So asset stripping and one of the most regressive forms of tax possible so we can buy fireworks.
 
2012-07-11 10:21:06 AM
If only we could find a way to suspend those bastards in an SEP field, we'd all be a lot happier.
 
2012-07-11 10:21:12 AM

Kibbler: Actually I think it's a Somebody Else's Problem Field.


It's not a complete SEP. I can look directly at it. Sure, some parts kind of fizzle into the ether when you peer into the mess, but all in all, if we were playing for the ashes and this thing trundled by, it'd piss a lot of people off.
 
2012-07-11 10:21:42 AM
So, they've made a replica of the heart of gold, or the bistromath?

DC was destroyed by Vogons and replaced with DC 2.0,
 
2012-07-11 10:21:49 AM
The Teabagger/GOP wanted us to get a balanced budget.

Well thanks to their delightfully steadfast positions... we may get it, along with the Bush tax cuts ending to help make up some of the lost funding.

You derpy dipshiats wanted the bed made this way, so now we get to sleep in it. Real math trumping your collective idiocy.
 
2012-07-11 10:24:51 AM

Kibbler: Actually I think it's a Somebody Else's Problem Field.


I shake my infinitely improbably tiny fist at you as I waddle around my pond.
 
2012-07-11 10:25:28 AM
loonatic112358:

Vogons, convinced their reporting is poetry
 
2012-07-11 10:27:06 AM

Cinaed: The Teabagger/GOP wanted us to get a balanced budget.

Well thanks to their delightfully steadfast positions... we may get it, along with the Bush tax cuts ending to help make up some of the lost funding.

You derpy dipshiats wanted the bed made this way, so now we get to sleep in it. Real math trumping your collective idiocy.


Yes, but this way, the Republicans get to say they were tricked into it by the Evil Democrat Party (in league with Satan, aborted babies, the gays and Barbara Streisand) who were trying to Make America Less Safe.

Whereas you and I know this was a pretty good bait-and-switch by the Democrats (and they even got Johnny Bones to go on TV and brag about how he got 98% of what he wanted) that will save/raise money to lower the deficit/debt.

Thus preserving the historical conceptions of the respective party bases (and the conceptions each has of the other).

// ugh
 
2012-07-11 10:35:32 AM
This is the military. They're not used to having to py for things, just used to having money given to them. It's going to be a rough transition so try to sympathize.
 
2012-07-11 10:39:03 AM
And this time it would work and nobody would have to be nailed to anything.
 
2012-07-11 10:40:05 AM
I am not so sure on that but I can guarantee that the members of congress are descendants of telephone sanitizers, hair stylists and the like. Heck they are still doing similar jobs.
 
2012-07-11 10:40:15 AM
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2012-07-11 10:44:53 AM
So they go to Imaginationland? Al Gore tried that, but Manbearpig killed the whole away team
 
2012-07-11 10:45:20 AM

Deneb81: deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.

Because like it or not, you can't just cut potentially 100's of thousands of generally well paying jobs at once without a greatly negative effect on the economy as a whole. At the best of times it could cause a recession. Right now? A pretty severe depression.

These cuts would hurt everyone.


So how building a tank is a good paying job that provides a service and yet we need to cut back on infrastructure, teachers, police, fire fighters, etc.?
 
2012-07-11 10:45:47 AM

deadcrickets: Deneb81: deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.

Because like it or not, you can't just cut potentially 100's of thousands of generally well paying jobs at once without a greatly negative effect on the economy as a whole. At the best of times it could cause a recession. Right now? A pretty severe depression.

These cuts would hurt everyone.

And yet cutting jobs in other sectors of the government is great because government doesn't create jobs remember?


Ok, so republicans have said that. So what? It's imbecilic, but so is the idea that you can just gut defense spending in one fell swoop and not hurt the economy.

Whether you like it or not, it provides jobs and ending it all at once will hurt the economy. A 10 to 20 year plan? Sure. Though even 10 may cause issues of you don't set up some kind of othe program to help ease the strain on the economy.

Just because they shout slogans and spout stupid solutions to complex problems doesn't mean I have to.
 
2012-07-11 10:49:21 AM

Derp Du Jour: Deneb81: deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.

Because like it or not, you can't just cut potentially 100's of thousands of generally well paying jobs at once without a greatly negative effect on the economy as a whole. At the best of times it could cause a recession. Right now? A pretty severe depression.

These cuts would hurt everyone.

So how building a tank is a good paying job that provides a service and yet we need to cut back on infrastructure, teachers, police, fire fighters, etc.?


Did I say that? No. Read my above reply.

Whether you like it or not you can't make big cuts to programs that employ people without causing issues. Military or not. Government jobs are jobs - military, police or secretary.

You can't just cut large swaths without a plan to transition to a growing private sector.
 
2012-07-11 10:51:10 AM

Deneb81:
You can't just cut large swaths without a plan to transition to a growing private sector.


Tell that to Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.
 
2012-07-11 10:58:37 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Deneb81:
You can't just cut large swaths without a plan to transition to a growing private sector.

Tell that to Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan.


Next time I run into them, sure.

It may be a while.

And honestly? They probably know. They just can't admit it.
 
2012-07-11 10:58:42 AM

DarnoKonrad: Vogons, convinced their reporting is poetry


oh, this explains why it's painful when any news comes out of Washington
 
2012-07-11 11:01:36 AM

Deneb81: deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.

Because like it or not, you can't just cut potentially 100's of thousands of generally well paying jobs at once without a greatly negative effect on the economy as a whole. At the best of times it could cause a recession. Right now? A pretty severe depression.

These cuts would hurt everyone.



So you are saying that the pork-barrel defense jobs are a sort of stimulus package?
I would think that republicans would be all for tanking the economy before an election.
 
2012-07-11 12:04:36 PM

deadcrickets: Deneb81: deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.

Because like it or not, you can't just cut potentially 100's of thousands of generally well paying jobs at once without a greatly negative effect on the economy as a whole. At the best of times it could cause a recession. Right now? A pretty severe depression.

These cuts would hurt everyone.

And yet cutting jobs in other sectors of the government is great because government doesn't create jobs remember?


This ain't a two sided debate. I'm not gonna disagree that our military budget is *stupid* big. I think targeted cuts, informed by experts, generals, soldiers and professionals alike across the entire supply chain. You're not talking about just buying less guns here. Fewer planes means fewer radar arrays, fewer cables, fewer buttons, rivets, 7075 Al sheets. Fewer turbines, fewer bearings, fewer people. Fewer clips, fewer units of testing equipment. Fewer researchers fewer grants, fewer internships. Fewer rotors, ailerons, rudders, wings.

So stop building *stupid* shiat. Sure. If we don't need it, that money can easily induce more economic growth elsewhere in industries that are growing and need the help. Maybe quit working on railguns. But don't stop working on body armor, for example.

The fact of the matter, as distasteful as it may be, is that the MIC is a touchstone of nearly every industry in the united states. A lynchpin that links together almost every supply chain in existence and provides coherent standards of quality and leadtime across many many businesses which create a climate of stability. I can buy an RF connector from almost 20 different companies and expect that it will do the exact same job. I can buy a bearing from a dozen or more manufacturers within 150 miles of me. And I can expect them all to have a maximum surface finish of 20 microns. I can have my brand new Beta Knife design I'm working on tested for environmental exposure because there are about 10 companies out there making chambers that recreate environmental conditions for things like tanks, missiles, guns, bullets, ceramics, electronics, materials, etc.

I don't disagree, like I said. But when you understand how far over the falls we already are, it doesn't seem like such a brilliant idea to simply jump out of our barrel completely.
 
2012-07-11 12:27:12 PM

BeesNuts: The fact of the matter, as distasteful as it may be, is that the MIC is a touchstone of nearly every industry in the united states. A lynchpin that links together almost every supply chain in existence and provides coherent standards of quality and leadtime across many many businesses which create a climate of stability. I can buy an RF connector from almost 20 different companies and expect that it will do the exact same job. I can buy a bearing from a dozen or more manufacturers within 150 miles of me. And I can expect them all to have a maximum surface finish of 20 microns. I can have my brand new Beta Knife design I'm working on tested for environmental exposure because there are about 10 companies out there making chambers that recreate environmental conditions for things like tanks, missiles, guns, bullets, ceramics, electronics, materials, etc.



So all we really needed to do to get healthcare reform was to place healthcare under the auspices of the pentagon. An argument can be made that American health is the ultimate goal of the defense department anyway.
 
2012-07-11 12:38:48 PM

Deneb81: Derp Du Jour: Deneb81: deadcrickets: I've got a novel idea: let's cut one of the largest areas of our government that far exceeds what is necessary and prudent, you know, the military.

Because like it or not, you can't just cut potentially 100's of thousands of generally well paying jobs at once without a greatly negative effect on the economy as a whole. At the best of times it could cause a recession. Right now? A pretty severe depression.

These cuts would hurt everyone.

So how building a tank is a good paying job that provides a service and yet we need to cut back on infrastructure, teachers, police, fire fighters, etc.?

Did I say that? No. Read my above reply.

Whether you like it or not you can't make big cuts to programs that employ people without causing issues. Military or not. Government jobs are jobs - military, police or secretary.

You can't just cut large swaths without a plan to transition to a growing private sector.


You can cut out a HUGE amount of the military budget by ending all the wars and pulling troops back to our own country from foreign outposts and bases. There is zero reason to continue to be the world's cop. Our founding fathers wanted us to not become entangled in foreign affairs; that entanglement has lead to nearly non-stop warfare since the beginning of the country.
 
2012-07-11 03:52:05 PM
I think I'm gonna be sick..

BLEEEHHH
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