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2012-07-11 11:26:23 AM  
At least someone is saying it.
 
2012-07-11 11:30:06 AM  
FTA:
"Elected officials at this level know a lot of people who make $300,000. We generally don't spend enough time with people who make $30,000."

And this is the problem with our country.
 
2012-07-11 11:33:56 AM  
Soak 'em.
 
2012-07-11 11:34:01 AM  

bdub77: FTA:
"Elected officials at this level know are in bed with a lot of people who make $300,000. We generally don't spend enough time with people who make $30,000."

And this is the problem with our country.


FTFHim
 
2012-07-11 11:34:10 AM  

bdub77: FTA:
"Elected officials at this level know a lot of people who make $300,000. We generally don't spend enough time with people who make $30,000."

And this is the problem with our country.


Actually, I would say it's the people they know that make $3,000,000 a year and use some of that money to buy legislation. The $300,000-ers are pretty harmless, politically. It's the oligarchs that cause the issues.
 
2012-07-11 11:37:05 AM  
Awww, subby, aren't you cute. If by "new" you mean "letting the ill-advised Bush tax cuts expire" you might actually be right!
 
2012-07-11 11:37:17 AM  
Good.
 
2012-07-11 11:38:00 AM  
anything that prevents Grover Norquist's penis from getting erect enough to fark his Ronald Reagan Real Doll is OK with me.
 
2012-07-11 11:38:39 AM  
Carbon tax, carbon tax, carbon tax!!!
 
2012-07-11 11:38:41 AM  
Let me guess, not giving a tax break on income above and beyond the 250k mark is class warfare?
 
2012-07-11 11:39:28 AM  
May 23, 2012

The Honorable John Boehner
Speaker
United States House of Representatives
Washington, D.C. 20515

Dear Speaker Boehner:

Without further delay, the Majority Leadership should schedule a vote on extension of the middle-income tax cuts, as early as next week, to increase certainty for millions of American taxpayers and for the economy. We should not delay passing this legislation that will help afford all Americans the opportunity to reach their goals and realize the promise of the American Dream.

We must ask the very wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share. Democrats believe that tax cuts for those earning over a million dollars a year should expire and that we should use the resulting revenues to pay down the deficit.

By ensuring that the middle-income tax cuts do not expire, we will put money into the pockets of American consumers, saving the typical middle-income family thousands of dollars per year. Extension of this middle-income tax cut will inject demand into our markets and strengthen small businesses. By investing in both the short-term growth of our economy and the long-term prosperity of our nation, it will empower the entrepreneurial spirit of the American people. We cannot afford another manufactured crisis that unnecessarily threatens the full faith and credit of the United States and jeopardizes our economic recovery.

Extending middle-income tax cuts that benefit nearly all Americans is not controversial. Congressional leaders across the ideological spectrum agree that we should not be raising taxes on middle-income people at this delicate time in our recovery from the worst recession in 70 years. It is unacceptable to hold tax cuts for the middle class hostage to extending multi-billion dollar tax breaks for millionaires, Big Oil, special interests, and corporations that ship jobs overseas.

I urge you to allow the House to vote on the permanent extension of middle-income tax cuts now and for Democrats and Republicans to work together to strengthen our middle class, create jobs, and grow our economy in a balanced and fiscally responsible way.

Thank you for your consideration.

best regards,


NANCY PELOSIskullkrusher
Democratic LeaderAmateur Pundit

/second day in a row I got to steal this letter from my girl Nancy
 
2012-07-11 11:39:43 AM  
raise taxes on everybody except us!!!

yay taxes!

politics of envy anyone?
 
2012-07-11 11:41:45 AM  

colon_pow: raise taxes on everybody except us!!!

yay taxes!

politics of envy anyone?


Let them expire across the board, I say.
 
2012-07-11 11:41:54 AM  

colon_pow: raise taxes on everybody except us!!!

yay taxes!

politics of envy anyone?


I liked when Paul Ryan proudly told elderly constituents that they would experience no cuts, just everyone one born after them would.
 
2012-07-11 11:42:40 AM  

skullkrusher: /second day in a row I got to steal this letter from my girl Nancy


What perilous times we live in where YOU are stealing Nancy's schtick. :D It's also sad that if someone said, "Which right-leaning pundit do you respect the most?" I'd have to say some guy on the internets who calls himself skullkrusher.
 
2012-07-11 11:43:13 AM  

Mercutio74: skullkrusher: /second day in a row I got to steal this letter from my girl Nancy

What perilous times we live in where YOU are stealing Nancy's schtick. :D It's also sad that if someone said, "Which right-leaning pundit do you respect the most?" I'd have to say some guy on the internets who calls himself skullkrusher.


I heart you too, Merc.

/no homo
//unless the pay is good
 
2012-07-11 11:45:04 AM  

colon_pow: raise taxes on everybody except us!!!

yay taxes!

politics of envy anyone?


The middle class tax cut is also a tax cut for the rich. Why should the rich get an extra tax cut?

Lower taxes on us and nobody else!!

Politics of entitlement anyone?
 
2012-07-11 11:46:03 AM  

mediaho: Let them expire across the board, I say.


It's not the worst idea. Another thing you could try, which we did here in Canuckistan, is that the gov't (I cant' remember if it was provincial or federal) designated a timeframe where if you made a home improvement you got a tax write off for your expenses. The good thing about this is that it supported the indigenous workforce (you can't outsource tradespeople working locally) and it helped businesses that supplied building materials. Plus, everyone who could take advantage got to increase the value of their home to some extent.
 
2012-07-11 11:47:11 AM  
Democrats suck at explaining that the cut is for EVERYONE's first $200k, even the very rich.
 
2012-07-11 11:47:53 AM  
"I think independents will see this exactly as the president does - that people making that much can afford to pay a little more,"

I know many people that are more than willing to pay more. Tax me some more, I don't give a flying fark.
I happen to like this country and the majority of my fellow Americans. I'm more than happy to pay more to maintain or increase our standards, keep our social support programs running, taking care of our own and live in a safe country.

Oh, and while we are at it, throw another tax on top of it so we can feed our own children three square meals a day. Be the best damn tax money I ever spent.
 
2012-07-11 11:47:59 AM  

skullkrusher: May 23, 2012

The Honorable John Boehner
Speaker
United States House of Representatives
Washington, D.C. 20515

Dear Speaker Boehner:

Without further delay, the Majority Leadership should schedule a vote on extension of the middle-income tax cuts, as early as next week, to increase certainty for millions of American taxpayers and for the economy. We should not delay passing this legislation that will help afford all Americans the opportunity to reach their goals and realize the promise of the American Dream.

We must ask the very wealthiest Americans to pay their fair share. Democrats believe that tax cuts for those earning over a million dollars a year should expire and that we should use the resulting revenues to pay down the deficit.

By ensuring that the middle-income tax cuts do not expire, we will put money into the pockets of American consumers, saving the typical middle-income family thousands of dollars per year. Extension of this middle-income tax cut will inject demand into our markets and strengthen small businesses. By investing in both the short-term growth of our economy and the long-term prosperity of our nation, it will empower the entrepreneurial spirit of the American people. We cannot afford another manufactured crisis that unnecessarily threatens the full faith and credit of the United States and jeopardizes our economic recovery.

Extending middle-income tax cuts that benefit nearly all Americans is not controversial. Congressional leaders across the ideological spectrum agree that we should not be raising taxes on middle-income people at this delicate time in our recovery from the worst recession in 70 years. It is unacceptable to hold tax cuts for the middle class hostage to extending multi-billion dollar tax breaks for millionaires, Big Oil, special interests, and corporations that ship jobs overseas.

I urge you to allow the House to vote on the permanent extension of middle-income tax cuts now and for Democrats and Republicans to work together to strengthen our middle class, create jobs, and grow our economy in a balanced and fiscally responsible way.

Thank you for your consideration.

best regards,


NANCY PELOSIskullkrusher
Democratic LeaderAmateur Pundit

/second day in a row I got to steal this letter from my girl Nancy


This.

/not often I get to "this" one of your posts
//in before some ignorant fool calls you a liberal
 
2012-07-11 11:48:04 AM  

mediaho: Democrats suck at explaining that the cut is for EVERYONE's first $200k, even the very rich.


why is this so important?
 
2012-07-11 11:49:29 AM  

skullkrusher: mediaho: Democrats suck at explaining that the cut is for EVERYONE's first $200k, even the very rich.

why is this so important?


Important to explain? Because the GOP counter argument is "class warfare." No, the tax cut is not only for the poor and middle class.
 
2012-07-11 11:50:18 AM  

Mithiwithi: //in before some ignorant fool calls you a liberal


There is nothing liberal about NP's proposal. It is a sensible and fair idea. She didn't specify any additional tax increases on those over $1,000,000 to make up for the "lost" revenue of not raising taxes on people up to that point but she's on the right track. Boehner is a fool for not jumping on this compromise.
 
2012-07-11 11:50:27 AM  

skullkrusher: /no homo
//unless the pay is good


I doubt I could afford the 13% harmonized sales tax. Plus, once the government figures out how to regulate prostitution up here I can only imagine there's going to be some kind of "pole tax" associated with it on top of the HST.
 
2012-07-11 11:50:47 AM  

skullkrusher: mediaho: Democrats suck at explaining that the cut is for EVERYONE's first $200k, even the very rich.

why is this so important?


Sadly in the grand scheme of things, it's not. Since 2004 elections have been about money and mostly false talking points.
 
2012-07-11 11:52:25 AM  

mediaho: skullkrusher: mediaho: Democrats suck at explaining that the cut is for EVERYONE's first $200k, even the very rich.

why is this so important?

Important to explain? Because the GOP counter argument is "class warfare." No, the tax cut is not only for the poor and middle class.


I guess I don't understand why it matters that tax cuts remain for a portion of a wealthy person's income when he or she is going to wind up paying more in taxes in the end. I don't see why this is something they should be hammering on because it seems pretty meaningless to me for those who are impacted by the proposal.
 
2012-07-11 11:52:33 AM  

Mercutio74: (you can't outsource tradespeople working locally)


That's nothing more than outsourcing the work to the illegals that make up our local trade, more like buying their illegal votes in the election. This is nothing more than socialism at its finest - use the shield of improving the upper middle class lifestyle to hide their stealing taxes from the rich and giving them to the goddamn illegals getting in my way at the parking lot at Home Depot.

This is why you have to stay in Canada - you just don't get the Murkan Mindset.
 
2012-07-11 11:53:02 AM  

Mercutio74: skullkrusher: /no homo
//unless the pay is good

I doubt I could afford the 13% harmonized sales tax. Plus, once the government figures out how to regulate prostitution up here I can only imagine there's going to be some kind of "pole tax" associated with it on top of the HST.


heehee, gay prostitution jokes give me a funny
 
2012-07-11 11:54:03 AM  

evilmrsock: That's nothing more than outsourcing the work to the illegals that make up our local trade, more like buying their illegal votes in the election. This is nothing more than socialism at its finest - use the shield of improving the upper middle class lifestyle to hide their stealing taxes from the rich and giving them to the goddamn illegals getting in my way at the parking lot at Home Depot.

This is why you have to stay in Canada - you just don't get the Murkan Mindset.


Well, you did need to submit receipts. Somehow I doubt that "Pedro's Roadside Workforce Inc." is an actual company.

You are right though, I do need to stay in Canada.
 
2012-07-11 11:54:52 AM  

skullkrusher: mediaho: skullkrusher: mediaho: Democrats suck at explaining that the cut is for EVERYONE's first $200k, even the very rich.

why is this so important?

Important to explain? Because the GOP counter argument is "class warfare." No, the tax cut is not only for the poor and middle class.

I guess I don't understand why it matters that tax cuts remain for a portion of a wealthy person's income when he or she is going to wind up paying more in taxes in the end. I don't see why this is something they should be hammering on because it seems pretty meaningless to me for those who are impacted by the proposal.


Because the message isn't for the people impacted by the proposal.
 
2012-07-11 11:55:13 AM  

colon_pow: raise taxes on everybody except us!!!

yay taxes!

politics of envy anyone?


Raise taxes on the rich: Class warfare
Raise taxes on the poor: Paying their fair share

Cut taxes for the rich: Unburdening job creators
Cutting social spending on the poor: Balancing the budget

I'm detecting a trend here.
 
2012-07-11 11:55:23 AM  

Bag of Hammers: anything that prevents Grover Norquist's penis from getting erect enough to fark his Ronald Reagan Real Doll is OK with me.


throws up in mouth a little...
 
2012-07-11 11:57:32 AM  

mediaho: skullkrusher: mediaho: skullkrusher: mediaho: Democrats suck at explaining that the cut is for EVERYONE's first $200k, even the very rich.

why is this so important?

Important to explain? Because the GOP counter argument is "class warfare." No, the tax cut is not only for the poor and middle class.

I guess I don't understand why it matters that tax cuts remain for a portion of a wealthy person's income when he or she is going to wind up paying more in taxes in the end. I don't see why this is something they should be hammering on because it seems pretty meaningless to me for those who are impacted by the proposal.

Because the message isn't for the people impacted by the proposal.


ok, I still don't see why so a number of people think this is super important to hammer home. Whatevs
 
2012-07-11 11:59:25 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Soak 'em.


Lol. There it is right there.

What class warfare rhetoric?
 
2012-07-11 12:03:38 PM  

skullkrusher: mediaho: skullkrusher: mediaho: Democrats suck at explaining that the cut is for EVERYONE's first $200k, even the very rich.

why is this so important?

Important to explain? Because the GOP counter argument is "class warfare." No, the tax cut is not only for the poor and middle class.

I guess I don't understand why it matters that tax cuts remain for a portion of a wealthy person's income when he or she is going to wind up paying more in taxes in the end. I don't see why this is something they should be hammering on because it seems pretty meaningless to me for those who are impacted by the proposal.


Because the people at the upper income levels know how progressive taxes work. Many people (read tea partiers, social conservative, blue dogs) do not understand that if you make more that 250K you are only taxed more on the amount above 250K. They buy the whole faux news talking point about class warfare because when they make more that 250K per year (unlikely) they don't want to be over taxed on it.
 
2012-07-11 12:04:17 PM  

Mercutio74: skullkrusher: /second day in a row I got to steal this letter from my girl Nancy

What perilous times we live in where YOU are stealing Nancy's schtick. :D It's also sad that if someone said, "Which right-leaning pundit do you respect the most?" I'd have to say some guy on the internets who calls himself skullkrusher.


I'd still have to give that title to Weaver95, but yeah, it's guys like them that make me hate what the Republican Party has done to itself. We need more conservatives like Weav and skull and hubiestubert and less like, say, tenpoundsofderp - people who challenge us libs rather than just blindly attacking.
 
2012-07-11 12:04:34 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Soak 'em.

Lol. There it is right there.

What class warfare rhetoric?


Need a fainting couch?
 
2012-07-11 12:04:43 PM  
Still trying to make the ACA triumph into Obama's "read my lips" moment?

Damn, these morons haven't a single original idea between them, do they?
 
2012-07-11 12:05:33 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Because the people at the upper income levels know how progressive taxes work. Many people (read tea partiers, social conservative, blue dogs) do not understand that if you make more that 250K you are only taxed more on the amount above 250K. They buy the whole faux news talking point about class warfare because when they make more that 250K per year (unlikely) they don't want to be over taxed on it.


the majority of people support the President's proposal so why do they care? Upper income earners know the score, lower income earners support the proposal regardless of their understanding of the score
 
2012-07-11 12:07:30 PM  

Mithiwithi: Mercutio74: skullkrusher: /second day in a row I got to steal this letter from my girl Nancy

What perilous times we live in where YOU are stealing Nancy's schtick. :D It's also sad that if someone said, "Which right-leaning pundit do you respect the most?" I'd have to say some guy on the internets who calls himself skullkrusher.

I'd still have to give that title to Weaver95, but yeah, it's guys like them that make me hate what the Republican Party has done to itself. We need more conservatives like Weav and skull and hubiestubert and less like, say, tenpoundsofderp - people who challenge us libs rather than just blindly attacking.


please, don't compare me to Hubes or Weavs. They like the "rational conservative" labels they've gotten by not ever arguing a conservative point ;)

10lbs is a troll

I am not a Republican. I have never been a member of the Republican party. I have never voted for a Republican for national office (I have voted for Dems in the House and Senate). The only party I ever belonged to was the LP and I am not longer a member of that because they are incorrigible asshats populated by thinly veiled racists who don't know a farking thing about economics
 
2012-07-11 12:09:44 PM  

TrollingForColumbine: Because the people at the upper income levels know how progressive taxes work. Many people (read tea partiers, social conservative, blue dogs) do not understand that if you make more that 250K you are only taxed more on the amount above 250K. They buy the whole faux news talking point about class warfare because when they make more that 250K per year (unlikely) they don't want to be over taxed on it.


I agree, but also want to add that a lot of the poor folks defending tax cuts for the rich have bought into the whole idea that if you tax wealthy people at a higher level than anyone else, you're attacking the whole idea of the American dream where anyone can get wealthy (which isn't nearly as possible any more thanks to laws and lawyers).

In addition, the fact that it costs a certain minimum to simply live (food, shelter, healthcare, etc) is lost on so many people arguing against a progressive tax. Subtract the minimum to live from a poor person's income and they're left with almost nothing. Subtract that same minimum from a rich person's income and they're left with 99.99% of their income.
 
2012-07-11 12:10:09 PM  

skullkrusher: mediaho: skullkrusher: mediaho: Democrats suck at explaining that the cut is for EVERYONE's first $200k, even the very rich.

why is this so important?

Important to explain? Because the GOP counter argument is "class warfare." No, the tax cut is not only for the poor and middle class.

I guess I don't understand why it matters that tax cuts remain for a portion of a wealthy person's income when he or she is going to wind up paying more in taxes in the end. I don't see why this is something they should be hammering on because it seems pretty meaningless to me for those who are impacted by the proposal.


I guess the point is that the cuts over $250k provides additional benefit to people who are the least in need of it. Why do people making over $250k need an extra tax cut on top of the ones they've already got? Yeah, it's not exactly in the interests of the people in that bracket, but that's the point.
 
2012-07-11 12:10:12 PM  
Not enough. To save this country from bankruptcy the top marginal tax rate needs to be 70%.
 
2012-07-11 12:10:52 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Soak 'em.

Lol. There it is right there.

What class warfare rhetoric?

Need a fainting couch?


Yes, it's quite rare to find such a plainly apparent admission of underlying intentions.

In TFA and this very thread you see people arguing "oh heavens no it's not an attempt to tax the rich, after all they get the same benefit of the cuts on the
first $200/$250k. Everyone can enjoy that."

It's refreshing to have someone
plainly admit that yes, the intention and goal is to "soak 'em".
 
2012-07-11 12:11:03 PM  

skullkrusher: please, don't compare me to Hubes or Weavs. They like the "rational conservative" labels they've gotten by not ever arguing a conservative point ;)


I should qualify that to include recognition of Weaver's former life as a transparent Republican apologist... though I suppose my claim of never having argued a "conservative" point still stands in that case according to the No True Scotsman method of making sweeping generalized statements about strangers on the internets :)
 
2012-07-11 12:11:27 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: HotWingConspiracy: Soak 'em.

Lol. There it is right there.

What class warfare rhetoric?


Class war is over, slapchop. The wealthy won like 3 decades ago.

Soak 'em. They've got the cash, they'll be fine.
 
2012-07-11 12:11:45 PM  

skullkrusher: TrollingForColumbine: Because the people at the upper income levels know how progressive taxes work. Many people (read tea partiers, social conservative, blue dogs) do not understand that if you make more that 250K you are only taxed more on the amount above 250K. They buy the whole faux news talking point about class warfare because when they make more that 250K per year (unlikely) they don't want to be over taxed on it.

the majority of people support the President's proposal so why do they care? Upper income earners know the score, lower income earners support the proposal regardless of their understanding of the score


Because liberals want more people to understand that faux news and the tea party have have been less that complete with their description of the tax cuts. they are fooling themselves and the media is complicit. Getting people to understand that they are working against their own interests is what responsible public servants do.

good read
 
2012-07-11 12:12:25 PM  

qorkfiend: I guess the point is that the cuts over $250k provides additional benefit to people who are the least in need of it. Why do people making over $250k need an extra tax cut on top of the ones they've already got? Yeah, it's not exactly in the interests of the people in that bracket, but that's the point.


because a proposal which causes you to pay more in taxes cannot honestly be called a tax cut.
 
2012-07-11 12:13:08 PM  

Debeo Summa Credo: It's refreshing to have someone
plainly admit that yes, the intention and goal is to "soak 'em".


The goal is revenue.

Rich people get taxed because they have money. It's not a hard formula.
 
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