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(Miami Herald)   "9/11 accused don't want hearings during Ramadan" I mean really? Is this that big a deal? They take like 2 minutes to make in the microwave. Let the accused finish his noodles   (miamiherald.com) divider line 94
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2012-07-11 08:43:44 AM
Tough shiat.
 
2012-07-11 09:09:15 AM
Just shove pig shiat down their throats until they choke to death already.
 
2012-07-11 09:32:18 AM
The fasting requirements would make it harder for the defendants to participate in their own defense, since anyone who has been around Muslims during Ramadan can tell you're they're cranky as hell and work pretty much grinds to a halt. We've locked them up with little regard to their rights for so long, if they want to wait a little longer, I don't see why we shouldn't.

But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.
 
2012-07-11 10:20:04 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.


Is equal protection being violated? Do Jewish suspects get tried on Yom Kippur? Can Catholics ask to wait until Lent is over? Where's the line? I don't belong to a religion. Can I ask to not be tried during Shark Week? I get "cranky" if you make me miss Shark Week.

I'd prefer the federal government's stance be: If the court is open that day, and you're next in the docket, it's your turn.
 
2012-07-11 11:15:35 AM

chimp_ninja: Is equal protection being violated? Do Jewish suspects get tried on Yom Kippur? Can Catholics ask to wait until Lent is over? Where's the line? I don't belong to a religion. Can I ask to not be tried during Shark Week? I get "cranky" if you make me miss Shark Week.


You're right, but people oddly want to appear sympathetic to these guys for some reason. I suspect it is some sort of national guilt for the messes of the two wars and all of those indefinitely detained, even if it's very likely these guys are responsible for a good lot of what happened in 2001.

And they're not dumb; they know they can rile people up with this, regardless of the fact that people are routinely tried, convicted, etc. on their respective religions' holy days.
 
2012-07-11 11:23:03 AM

serpent_sky: I suspect it is some sort of national guilt for the messes of the two wars and all of those indefinitely detained,


Some day history will judge us for how we treated our prisoners.

jehovahs witness protection: Just shove pig shiat down their throats until they choke to death already.


Yeah, I see nothing wrong with finding ironic, religion-based executions for people who haven't been convicted of anything, you damned animal.
 
2012-07-11 11:31:44 AM
Ramadan?

Deet dee, de de dee!
 
2012-07-11 11:34:31 AM

serpent_sky: You're right, but people oddly want to appear sympathetic to these guys for some reason.


i think there is a big difference between being sympathetic, and ensuring that due process (well, as much as is still possible) is followed so that we dont have deal with shiatbag appeals.
 
2012-07-11 11:35:17 AM
Big deal. The judge simply has to deny the motions, and get on with the trial.
 
2012-07-11 11:37:00 AM

chimp_ninja: I'd prefer the federal government's stance be: If the court is open that day, and you're next in the docket, it's your turn.


Funny, the court is usually closed for the big Christian holidays.

Don't get me wrong, I am in total agreement about every religion or no religion when it comes to things like this. But as it is right now, shiat ain't like that and they have a right to ask.
 
2012-07-11 11:37:08 AM
Wait, doesn't the fasting requirement only cover dawn-to-dusk? Like they could pig out (sorry, no pun intended) after sunset, grab some sleep, eat a hearty breakfast before dawn, and then have enough energy to disrupt their court proceedings as usual?

/Screw 'em.
 
2012-07-11 11:37:53 AM

stampylives: serpent_sky: You're right, but people oddly want to appear sympathetic to these guys for some reason.

i think there is a big difference between being sympathetic, and ensuring that due process (well, as much as is still possible) is followed so that we dont have deal with shiatbag appeals.


It's not clear if there is an appeal from a tribunal. In the military there would be the US Court of Military Appeals, but these are noncombatants.
 
2012-07-11 11:38:25 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.


You know who else forgot about equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses? Khalid sheik Muhammed when he sawed off Daniel Pearl's head.
 
2012-07-11 11:39:50 AM

halfof33: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.

You know who else forgot about equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses? Khalid sheik Muhammed when he sawed off Daniel Pearl's head.


khalid sheik muhammed should not be the ideal we hold our justice system up to.
 
2012-07-11 11:40:05 AM
And some people don't want every September 11 to be the anniversary of when they lost a loved one. Tough shiat.
 
2012-07-11 11:42:48 AM
I, for one, liked the headline, subby.
 
2012-07-11 11:43:55 AM
What do Islamic nations and court systems do during the last ten days of Ramadan? Do they continue to hold trials as normal, or do they delay trials in the way the accused in these cases desire? Or do they only delay trials for part of the period, such as Eid?

Honest question; I don't know.
 
2012-07-11 11:45:23 AM

stampylives: halfof33: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.

You know who else forgot about equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses? Khalid sheik Muhammed when he sawed off Daniel Pearl's head.

khalid sheik muhammed should not be the ideal we hold our justice system up to.


I'm pretty sure we are not going to saw his head off, so you can't rest your pretty little head about that.

They got three hots, a cot, a carpet and a squad of lawyers, they are doing just fine.

It ain't as if someone is crashing airplanes into their huts
 
2012-07-11 11:45:26 AM
Now I'm all for the rights of the accused, and if it was a one day holiday I could maybe say fine.

But fark that shiat. They can deal with it.
 
2012-07-11 11:45:51 AM

halfof33: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.

You know who else forgot about equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses? Khalid sheik Muhammed when he sawed off Daniel Pearl's head.


next up: dropping napalm to put out the Colorado Wildfires.
 
2012-07-11 11:46:26 AM

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: The fasting requirements would make it harder for the defendants to participate in their own defense, since anyone who has been around Muslims during Ramadan can tell you're they're cranky as hell and work pretty much grinds to a halt. We've locked them up with little regard to their rights for so long, if they want to wait a little longer, I don't see why we shouldn't.

But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.


Or maybe just forgot the whole "enemy combatant" thingy. Either way you are a good dhimmi and will be rewarded by being killed last.
 
2012-07-11 11:47:08 AM
I worked with a guy named Ramadan. That's all.

/"I know him! I know him!"
 
2012-07-11 11:47:17 AM

Millennium: What do Islamic nations and court systems do during the last ten days of Ramadan? Do they continue to hold trials as normal, or do they delay trials in the way the accused in these cases desire? Or do they only delay trials for part of the period, such as Eid?

Honest question; I don't know.


If it isn't time for Friday prayers, or on Eid, it's business as usual. Restaurants make tons of money during Ramadan because people totally pig-out after sunset all month.
 
2012-07-11 11:47:29 AM
Are similar allowances made for other religious holidays? I honestly have no idea. If so, there's no reason these guys should be treated any differently. If not, there's still no reason these guys should be treated differently.
 
2012-07-11 11:54:29 AM
www.madhattersneverland.com

Ramadan?
 
2012-07-11 11:54:39 AM
The site's comment section is filled with conservative circle jerkers; who the fark is Barry Soetoro?
 
2012-07-11 11:54:41 AM
I'm eating a bowl of noodles in a Ramada Inn right now, so I'm getting a kick.......
 
2012-07-11 11:55:04 AM

Aarontology: Tough shiat.


Yeah! Fark his noodles!

/I'm no genius but last night, I stayed at a Ramadan Inn
 
2012-07-11 11:56:39 AM

snowybunting: I'm eating a bowl of noodles in a Ramada Inn right now, so I'm getting a kick.......


Was that you last night making all that noise? :)

/room 911
 
2012-07-11 11:56:48 AM
Christians, Jews, Muslims....burn them all.

Their costs to society outweigh thier benefits.
 
2012-07-11 11:56:51 AM
Bad, subby, very very bad.

\I larfed, +1
 
2012-07-11 11:58:08 AM

kingoomieiii: Some day history will judge us for how we treated our prisoners.


People say that relatively often, yet I can't think of a single country in history that was judged on the way it treated its prisoners. Nazi Germany is the closest, but even then are they more known for the Holocaust than World War 2? Even with the Holocaust, you have the deniers and the apologists.
 
2012-07-11 12:00:04 PM
Our emergency workers didn't want to be murdered on the day previously reserved for honoring their efforts.
Sucks when you can't observe your holiday the way you want to.

/we should celebrate it by only serving pork hot dogs in their jail cell, at high noon.
/we'll import it from Israel, that should make it kosher enough.
 
2012-07-11 12:00:51 PM

QifutuWahuta: kingoomieiii: Some day history will judge us for how we treated our prisoners.

People say that relatively often, yet I can't think of a single country in history that was judged on the way it treated its prisoners. Nazi Germany is the closest, but even then are they more known for the Holocaust than World War 2? Even with the Holocaust, you have the deniers and the apologists.


Really? Japan ring a bell? Link
 
2012-07-11 12:01:02 PM
That's pretty much what I figured was the case (though I'd forgotten about Friday prayers).

In that case, I don't see any reason to not do the same thing: recess for Eid, but hold hearings the rest of the time as appropriate. One could argue that there's a church/state problem here, and there is, but there's no way around that, and this seems to be the resolution that does the least harm.
 
2012-07-11 12:04:29 PM

kingoomieiii: Some day history will judge us for how we treated our prisoners.


I don't accept being lumped in as "we" in that. I have no prisoners, I have treated no prisoners in any way, and I voted for the guy who was supposed to fix things, but nobody can figure out HOW, it seems, since it was handled so poorly by the previous administration that I never voted for.

Sorry, I don't accept blame that isn't mine.
 
2012-07-11 12:05:21 PM
Life is supposed to go on during Ramadhan. There's no religious justification for acting like an invalid for a month because you can't eat or drink for 12 hours. It's supposed to be a sacrifice and a display of religious zeal. Not that you could tell that from the way lots of Muslims act during Ramadhan. If you let them, they'll act like sweet little Pumkin having her first period and trying to get out of gym class for it. In KSA where I work, making puppy eyes and moaning, "but I'm hungwy..." cuts no ice with the tougher authority figures, especially if you're a fark-up.

I observed the fast a few years. There's nothing to it. That's because most folk adjust their schedule to minimize its impact. You stay awake all night, gorge yourself with a sumptuous breakfast at dawn, sleep till noon, pray, doze or lay around until afternoon prayer (4pm-ish), and then you have 2-3 hours to actually be thirsty until sunset and everyone gorges again. I say "thirsty" because I don't recall actually being hungry, that breakfast being so heavy, but you do get a bit thirsty, especially if you don't remember to bolt down lots of fluids before dawn.

None of that is as it should be, of course. You're supposed to chin up and tough it out for the Lord, and the pious captives at Gitmo know that. Damn drama queens.
 
2012-07-11 12:05:56 PM
Do Islamic terrorist acts cease during Ramadan? If not, fark em.
 
2012-07-11 12:07:53 PM
Great, now Frenchies will demand not to be tried during the month of August. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-07-11 12:09:21 PM
I for one, would not want to be tried on Christmas, nor any of the shopping days leading up to it.
 
2012-07-11 12:11:10 PM

HAMMERTOE: Do Islamic terrorist acts cease during Ramadan? If not, fark em.


Conflict is supposed to stop during the Holy Month, but since we are all just a bunch of infidels, that doesn't count.
Same with sectarian conflicts: they are heretics, so the rules don't apply.
 
2012-07-11 12:12:10 PM
Wait... There are more 9-11 "accused"? I thought all but one of the conspirators died on 9-11. Could these perhaps be "enemy combatants" who dared to resist American occupation of their country, mis-labeled as a political ploy?
 
2012-07-11 12:13:37 PM
Even though the knee-jerk reaction (that I mostly share) is 'Well, 2,996 times "No, fark you"', emotions shouldn't factor in these decisions.

These people are still innocent before being proven guilty, they still deserve a fair trial, and they should have all their rights, including religious right, be upheld, even if they should not be tried in front of a civil tribunal, but rather a military one.

So let it be postponed, then let's judge them, then hang them high and feed their corpses to sharks on live tv.
 
2012-07-11 12:14:53 PM

HAMMERTOE: Wait... There are more 9-11 "accused"? I thought all but one of the conspirators died on 9-11.


Yeah, you could have gotten that answer by literally reading the first line of the article, or thinking that 'Hey, maybe they are not talking about the people who were in the planes when they crashed, but rather people who helped them do that!"

and save us both a minute.
 
2012-07-11 12:15:35 PM

HAMMERTOE: Wait... There are more 9-11 "accused"? I thought all but one of the conspirators died on 9-11. Could these perhaps be "enemy combatants" who dared to resist American occupation of their country, mis-labeled as a political ploy?


Uhhh, you don't know very much about 9/11, or Khalid Shiek Muhammed or, well basically anything huh?

protip, so you don't seem so stupid: He was a Kuwati arrested in Pakistan.

But your spelling was good!
 
2012-07-11 12:19:52 PM

halfof33: protip, so you don't seem so stupid: He was a Kuwati arrested in Pakistan.


and they wouldn't even give him a cup of coffee or take a shower

upload.wikimedia.org

America, the human rights violator.
 
2012-07-11 12:22:05 PM

ShannonKW: Life is supposed to go on during Ramadhan. There's no religious justification for acting like an invalid for a month because you can't eat or drink for 12 hours.


I've no idea if that'll be the same in the states, but it's about 16 hours between sunrise and sunset in the UK during Ramadan, and when you factor in the need to pray and sleep that doesn't leave all that much food time.

I'm not about to try it, but I'd imagine that'd drive me crazy for 30 days straight. I suspect it's not quite as easy as you make out, given your current heat wave and that water shouldn't be passing the lips.
 
2012-07-11 12:23:27 PM

Joe Blowme: Or maybe just forgot the whole "enemy combatant" thingy. Either way you are a good dhimmi and will be rewarded by being killed last.


BEEP BEEP ISLAMOPHOBIC CODE WORD ALERT
 
2012-07-11 12:25:20 PM

Tatsuma: Yeah, you could have gotten that answer by literally reading the first line of the article, or thinking that 'Hey, maybe they are not talking about the people who were in the planes when they crashed, but rather people who helped them do that!"


halfof33: Uhhh, you don't know very much about 9/11, or Khalid Shiek Muhammed or, well basically anything huh?

protip, so you don't seem so stupid: He was a Kuwati arrested in Pakistan.

But your spelling was good!


I know a few things. Like how children are imprisoned there as well. And how a number of prisoners are supposedly "exonerated" yet aren't being released, and have no recourse. And that the 9-11 conspirators actually form a small percentage of those imprisoned. And that the majority are indeed enemy combatants.
 
2012-07-11 12:27:58 PM

HAMMERTOE: I know a few things. Like how children are imprisoned there as well.


If you don't know who KSM is, I am going to guess that your knowledge of Guantanamo is not exactly up to par either.

As far as 'children' being there, are you talking about 15-16 year olds who were used by Al Qaeda as fighters? Or you mean literally "8 year old children that were brought to guantanamo because hey, brown and muslims, must be terrists"

As far as not releasing people who have been exonerated, the only ones I am aware that are in that situation are people whose own countries do not want back.

The no recourse thing is also false.
 
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