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(Miami Herald)   "9/11 accused don't want hearings during Ramadan" I mean really? Is this that big a deal? They take like 2 minutes to make in the microwave. Let the accused finish his noodles   (miamiherald.com ) divider line
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2012-07-11 08:43:44 AM  
Tough shiat.
 
2012-07-11 09:09:15 AM  
Just shove pig shiat down their throats until they choke to death already.
 
2012-07-11 09:32:18 AM  
The fasting requirements would make it harder for the defendants to participate in their own defense, since anyone who has been around Muslims during Ramadan can tell you're they're cranky as hell and work pretty much grinds to a halt. We've locked them up with little regard to their rights for so long, if they want to wait a little longer, I don't see why we shouldn't.

But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.
 
2012-07-11 10:20:04 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.


Is equal protection being violated? Do Jewish suspects get tried on Yom Kippur? Can Catholics ask to wait until Lent is over? Where's the line? I don't belong to a religion. Can I ask to not be tried during Shark Week? I get "cranky" if you make me miss Shark Week.

I'd prefer the federal government's stance be: If the court is open that day, and you're next in the docket, it's your turn.
 
2012-07-11 11:15:35 AM  

chimp_ninja: Is equal protection being violated? Do Jewish suspects get tried on Yom Kippur? Can Catholics ask to wait until Lent is over? Where's the line? I don't belong to a religion. Can I ask to not be tried during Shark Week? I get "cranky" if you make me miss Shark Week.


You're right, but people oddly want to appear sympathetic to these guys for some reason. I suspect it is some sort of national guilt for the messes of the two wars and all of those indefinitely detained, even if it's very likely these guys are responsible for a good lot of what happened in 2001.

And they're not dumb; they know they can rile people up with this, regardless of the fact that people are routinely tried, convicted, etc. on their respective religions' holy days.
 
2012-07-11 11:23:03 AM  

serpent_sky: I suspect it is some sort of national guilt for the messes of the two wars and all of those indefinitely detained,


Some day history will judge us for how we treated our prisoners.

jehovahs witness protection: Just shove pig shiat down their throats until they choke to death already.


Yeah, I see nothing wrong with finding ironic, religion-based executions for people who haven't been convicted of anything, you damned animal.
 
2012-07-11 11:31:44 AM  
Ramadan?

Deet dee, de de dee!
 
2012-07-11 11:34:31 AM  

serpent_sky: You're right, but people oddly want to appear sympathetic to these guys for some reason.


i think there is a big difference between being sympathetic, and ensuring that due process (well, as much as is still possible) is followed so that we dont have deal with shiatbag appeals.
 
2012-07-11 11:35:17 AM  
Big deal. The judge simply has to deny the motions, and get on with the trial.
 
2012-07-11 11:37:00 AM  

chimp_ninja: I'd prefer the federal government's stance be: If the court is open that day, and you're next in the docket, it's your turn.


Funny, the court is usually closed for the big Christian holidays.

Don't get me wrong, I am in total agreement about every religion or no religion when it comes to things like this. But as it is right now, shiat ain't like that and they have a right to ask.
 
2012-07-11 11:37:08 AM  
Wait, doesn't the fasting requirement only cover dawn-to-dusk? Like they could pig out (sorry, no pun intended) after sunset, grab some sleep, eat a hearty breakfast before dawn, and then have enough energy to disrupt their court proceedings as usual?

/Screw 'em.
 
2012-07-11 11:37:53 AM  

stampylives: serpent_sky: You're right, but people oddly want to appear sympathetic to these guys for some reason.

i think there is a big difference between being sympathetic, and ensuring that due process (well, as much as is still possible) is followed so that we dont have deal with shiatbag appeals.


It's not clear if there is an appeal from a tribunal. In the military there would be the US Court of Military Appeals, but these are noncombatants.
 
2012-07-11 11:38:25 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.


You know who else forgot about equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses? Khalid sheik Muhammed when he sawed off Daniel Pearl's head.
 
2012-07-11 11:39:50 AM  

halfof33: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.

You know who else forgot about equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses? Khalid sheik Muhammed when he sawed off Daniel Pearl's head.


khalid sheik muhammed should not be the ideal we hold our justice system up to.
 
2012-07-11 11:40:05 AM  
And some people don't want every September 11 to be the anniversary of when they lost a loved one. Tough shiat.
 
2012-07-11 11:42:48 AM  
I, for one, liked the headline, subby.
 
2012-07-11 11:43:55 AM  
What do Islamic nations and court systems do during the last ten days of Ramadan? Do they continue to hold trials as normal, or do they delay trials in the way the accused in these cases desire? Or do they only delay trials for part of the period, such as Eid?

Honest question; I don't know.
 
2012-07-11 11:45:23 AM  

stampylives: halfof33: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.

You know who else forgot about equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses? Khalid sheik Muhammed when he sawed off Daniel Pearl's head.

khalid sheik muhammed should not be the ideal we hold our justice system up to.


I'm pretty sure we are not going to saw his head off, so you can't rest your pretty little head about that.

They got three hots, a cot, a carpet and a squad of lawyers, they are doing just fine.

It ain't as if someone is crashing airplanes into their huts
 
2012-07-11 11:45:26 AM  
Now I'm all for the rights of the accused, and if it was a one day holiday I could maybe say fine.

But fark that shiat. They can deal with it.
 
2012-07-11 11:45:51 AM  

halfof33: Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.

You know who else forgot about equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses? Khalid sheik Muhammed when he sawed off Daniel Pearl's head.


next up: dropping napalm to put out the Colorado Wildfires.
 
2012-07-11 11:46:26 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: The fasting requirements would make it harder for the defendants to participate in their own defense, since anyone who has been around Muslims during Ramadan can tell you're they're cranky as hell and work pretty much grinds to a halt. We've locked them up with little regard to their rights for so long, if they want to wait a little longer, I don't see why we shouldn't.

But judging from the comments above I must have forgotten the "terrorist" exception in the constitution to the equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses.


Or maybe just forgot the whole "enemy combatant" thingy. Either way you are a good dhimmi and will be rewarded by being killed last.
 
2012-07-11 11:47:08 AM  
I worked with a guy named Ramadan. That's all.

/"I know him! I know him!"
 
2012-07-11 11:47:17 AM  

Millennium: What do Islamic nations and court systems do during the last ten days of Ramadan? Do they continue to hold trials as normal, or do they delay trials in the way the accused in these cases desire? Or do they only delay trials for part of the period, such as Eid?

Honest question; I don't know.


If it isn't time for Friday prayers, or on Eid, it's business as usual. Restaurants make tons of money during Ramadan because people totally pig-out after sunset all month.
 
2012-07-11 11:47:29 AM  
Are similar allowances made for other religious holidays? I honestly have no idea. If so, there's no reason these guys should be treated any differently. If not, there's still no reason these guys should be treated differently.
 
2012-07-11 11:54:29 AM  
www.madhattersneverland.com

Ramadan?
 
2012-07-11 11:54:39 AM  
The site's comment section is filled with conservative circle jerkers; who the fark is Barry Soetoro?
 
2012-07-11 11:54:41 AM  
I'm eating a bowl of noodles in a Ramada Inn right now, so I'm getting a kick.......
 
2012-07-11 11:55:04 AM  

Aarontology: Tough shiat.


Yeah! Fark his noodles!

/I'm no genius but last night, I stayed at a Ramadan Inn
 
2012-07-11 11:56:39 AM  

snowybunting: I'm eating a bowl of noodles in a Ramada Inn right now, so I'm getting a kick.......


Was that you last night making all that noise? :)

/room 911
 
2012-07-11 11:56:48 AM  
Christians, Jews, Muslims....burn them all.

Their costs to society outweigh thier benefits.
 
2012-07-11 11:56:51 AM  
Bad, subby, very very bad.

\I larfed, +1
 
2012-07-11 11:58:08 AM  

kingoomieiii: Some day history will judge us for how we treated our prisoners.


People say that relatively often, yet I can't think of a single country in history that was judged on the way it treated its prisoners. Nazi Germany is the closest, but even then are they more known for the Holocaust than World War 2? Even with the Holocaust, you have the deniers and the apologists.
 
2012-07-11 12:00:04 PM  
Our emergency workers didn't want to be murdered on the day previously reserved for honoring their efforts.
Sucks when you can't observe your holiday the way you want to.

/we should celebrate it by only serving pork hot dogs in their jail cell, at high noon.
/we'll import it from Israel, that should make it kosher enough.
 
2012-07-11 12:00:51 PM  

QifutuWahuta: kingoomieiii: Some day history will judge us for how we treated our prisoners.

People say that relatively often, yet I can't think of a single country in history that was judged on the way it treated its prisoners. Nazi Germany is the closest, but even then are they more known for the Holocaust than World War 2? Even with the Holocaust, you have the deniers and the apologists.


Really? Japan ring a bell? Link
 
2012-07-11 12:01:02 PM  
That's pretty much what I figured was the case (though I'd forgotten about Friday prayers).

In that case, I don't see any reason to not do the same thing: recess for Eid, but hold hearings the rest of the time as appropriate. One could argue that there's a church/state problem here, and there is, but there's no way around that, and this seems to be the resolution that does the least harm.
 
2012-07-11 12:04:29 PM  

kingoomieiii: Some day history will judge us for how we treated our prisoners.


I don't accept being lumped in as "we" in that. I have no prisoners, I have treated no prisoners in any way, and I voted for the guy who was supposed to fix things, but nobody can figure out HOW, it seems, since it was handled so poorly by the previous administration that I never voted for.

Sorry, I don't accept blame that isn't mine.
 
2012-07-11 12:05:21 PM  
Life is supposed to go on during Ramadhan. There's no religious justification for acting like an invalid for a month because you can't eat or drink for 12 hours. It's supposed to be a sacrifice and a display of religious zeal. Not that you could tell that from the way lots of Muslims act during Ramadhan. If you let them, they'll act like sweet little Pumkin having her first period and trying to get out of gym class for it. In KSA where I work, making puppy eyes and moaning, "but I'm hungwy..." cuts no ice with the tougher authority figures, especially if you're a fark-up.

I observed the fast a few years. There's nothing to it. That's because most folk adjust their schedule to minimize its impact. You stay awake all night, gorge yourself with a sumptuous breakfast at dawn, sleep till noon, pray, doze or lay around until afternoon prayer (4pm-ish), and then you have 2-3 hours to actually be thirsty until sunset and everyone gorges again. I say "thirsty" because I don't recall actually being hungry, that breakfast being so heavy, but you do get a bit thirsty, especially if you don't remember to bolt down lots of fluids before dawn.

None of that is as it should be, of course. You're supposed to chin up and tough it out for the Lord, and the pious captives at Gitmo know that. Damn drama queens.
 
2012-07-11 12:05:56 PM  
Do Islamic terrorist acts cease during Ramadan? If not, fark em.
 
2012-07-11 12:07:53 PM  
Great, now Frenchies will demand not to be tried during the month of August. THIS IS AN OUTRAGE
 
2012-07-11 12:09:21 PM  
I for one, would not want to be tried on Christmas, nor any of the shopping days leading up to it.
 
2012-07-11 12:11:10 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Do Islamic terrorist acts cease during Ramadan? If not, fark em.


Conflict is supposed to stop during the Holy Month, but since we are all just a bunch of infidels, that doesn't count.
Same with sectarian conflicts: they are heretics, so the rules don't apply.
 
2012-07-11 12:12:10 PM  
Wait... There are more 9-11 "accused"? I thought all but one of the conspirators died on 9-11. Could these perhaps be "enemy combatants" who dared to resist American occupation of their country, mis-labeled as a political ploy?
 
2012-07-11 12:13:37 PM  
Even though the knee-jerk reaction (that I mostly share) is 'Well, 2,996 times "No, fark you"', emotions shouldn't factor in these decisions.

These people are still innocent before being proven guilty, they still deserve a fair trial, and they should have all their rights, including religious right, be upheld, even if they should not be tried in front of a civil tribunal, but rather a military one.

So let it be postponed, then let's judge them, then hang them high and feed their corpses to sharks on live tv.
 
2012-07-11 12:14:53 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Wait... There are more 9-11 "accused"? I thought all but one of the conspirators died on 9-11.


Yeah, you could have gotten that answer by literally reading the first line of the article, or thinking that 'Hey, maybe they are not talking about the people who were in the planes when they crashed, but rather people who helped them do that!"

and save us both a minute.
 
2012-07-11 12:15:35 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Wait... There are more 9-11 "accused"? I thought all but one of the conspirators died on 9-11. Could these perhaps be "enemy combatants" who dared to resist American occupation of their country, mis-labeled as a political ploy?


Uhhh, you don't know very much about 9/11, or Khalid Shiek Muhammed or, well basically anything huh?

protip, so you don't seem so stupid: He was a Kuwati arrested in Pakistan.

But your spelling was good!
 
2012-07-11 12:19:52 PM  

halfof33: protip, so you don't seem so stupid: He was a Kuwati arrested in Pakistan.


and they wouldn't even give him a cup of coffee or take a shower

upload.wikimedia.org

America, the human rights violator.
 
2012-07-11 12:22:05 PM  

ShannonKW: Life is supposed to go on during Ramadhan. There's no religious justification for acting like an invalid for a month because you can't eat or drink for 12 hours.


I've no idea if that'll be the same in the states, but it's about 16 hours between sunrise and sunset in the UK during Ramadan, and when you factor in the need to pray and sleep that doesn't leave all that much food time.

I'm not about to try it, but I'd imagine that'd drive me crazy for 30 days straight. I suspect it's not quite as easy as you make out, given your current heat wave and that water shouldn't be passing the lips.
 
2012-07-11 12:23:27 PM  

Joe Blowme: Or maybe just forgot the whole "enemy combatant" thingy. Either way you are a good dhimmi and will be rewarded by being killed last.


BEEP BEEP ISLAMOPHOBIC CODE WORD ALERT
 
2012-07-11 12:25:20 PM  

Tatsuma: Yeah, you could have gotten that answer by literally reading the first line of the article, or thinking that 'Hey, maybe they are not talking about the people who were in the planes when they crashed, but rather people who helped them do that!"


halfof33: Uhhh, you don't know very much about 9/11, or Khalid Shiek Muhammed or, well basically anything huh?

protip, so you don't seem so stupid: He was a Kuwati arrested in Pakistan.

But your spelling was good!


I know a few things. Like how children are imprisoned there as well. And how a number of prisoners are supposedly "exonerated" yet aren't being released, and have no recourse. And that the 9-11 conspirators actually form a small percentage of those imprisoned. And that the majority are indeed enemy combatants.
 
2012-07-11 12:27:58 PM  

HAMMERTOE: I know a few things. Like how children are imprisoned there as well.


If you don't know who KSM is, I am going to guess that your knowledge of Guantanamo is not exactly up to par either.

As far as 'children' being there, are you talking about 15-16 year olds who were used by Al Qaeda as fighters? Or you mean literally "8 year old children that were brought to guantanamo because hey, brown and muslims, must be terrists"

As far as not releasing people who have been exonerated, the only ones I am aware that are in that situation are people whose own countries do not want back.

The no recourse thing is also false.
 
2012-07-11 12:28:57 PM  
This is Crap.

This would be crap if a Jew wanted his hearing not to be during the high holy days, or if I wanted Lent removed from my judicial calendar. Millions of American Muslims - and Muslims around the world - go to work and do their jobs during Ramadan. Around the world, children and women and the elderly and the poor all struggle to earn their daily way in the world during Ramadan. All these men have to do it sit in a courtroom - in air conditioning - and pay attention. Heck, schedule it for early in the AM if you really want to 'accommodate' them and ensure that they are alert enough to participate in their trial.

I will repeat : This is crap.
 
2012-07-11 12:29:17 PM  

Millennium: What do Islamic nations and court systems do during the last ten days of Ramadan? Do they continue to hold trials as normal, or do they delay trials in the way the accused in these cases desire? Or do they only delay trials for part of the period, such as Eid?

Honest question; I don't know.


Courts? I don't know. I do know that in Egypt and Indonesia customs places are open with slightly shorter hours, but everything is on awork slowdown and you have to pay twice the normal taxes bribes to get your stuff through.
 
2012-07-11 12:32:18 PM  

HAMMERTOE: Tatsuma: Yeah, you could have gotten that answer by literally reading the first line of the article, or thinking that 'Hey, maybe they are not talking about the people who were in the planes when they crashed, but rather people who helped them do that!"

halfof33: Uhhh, you don't know very much about 9/11, or Khalid Shiek Muhammed or, well basically anything huh?

protip, so you don't seem so stupid: He was a Kuwati arrested in Pakistan.

But your spelling was good!

I know a few things. Like how children are imprisoned there as well. And how a number of prisoners are supposedly "exonerated" yet aren't being released, and have no recourse. And that the 9-11 conspirators actually form a small percentage of those imprisoned. And that the majority are indeed enemy combatants.


Funny, everything you just typed had nothing to do with your previous post or the linked article.

Big thumbs up.
 
2012-07-11 12:35:59 PM  

ShannonKW: Life is supposed to go on during Ramadhan. There's no religious justification for acting like an invalid for a month because you can't eat or drink for 12 hours. It's supposed to be a sacrifice and a display of religious zeal. Not that you could tell that from the way lots of Muslims act during Ramadhan. If you let them, they'll act like sweet little Pumkin having her first period and trying to get out of gym class for it. In KSA where I work, making puppy eyes and moaning, "but I'm hungwy..." cuts no ice with the tougher authority figures, especially if you're a fark-up.

I observed the fast a few years. There's nothing to it. That's because most folk adjust their schedule to minimize its impact. You stay awake all night, gorge yourself with a sumptuous breakfast at dawn, sleep till noon, pray, doze or lay around until afternoon prayer (4pm-ish), and then you have 2-3 hours to actually be thirsty until sunset and everyone gorges again. I say "thirsty" because I don't recall actually being hungry, that breakfast being so heavy, but you do get a bit thirsty, especially if you don't remember to bolt down lots of fluids before dawn.

None of that is as it should be, of course. You're supposed to chin up and tough it out for the Lord, and the pious captives at Gitmo know that. Damn drama queens.


Funny thing about the exclusion of trial activities during Ramadan, this was the same farking period in which we sustained a greater number of attacks in Iraq.
 
2012-07-11 12:39:45 PM  
On the one hand, if we make room for Christmas yadda yadda. OTOH a whole month holiday? No.
 
2012-07-11 12:39:49 PM  

rubi_con_man: This is Crap.

This would be crap if a Jew wanted his hearing not to be during the high holy days, or if I wanted Lent removed from my judicial calendar. Millions of American Muslims - and Muslims around the world - go to work and do their jobs during Ramadan. Around the world, children and women and the elderly and the poor all struggle to earn their daily way in the world during Ramadan. All these men have to do it sit in a courtroom - in air conditioning - and pay attention. Heck, schedule it for early in the AM if you really want to 'accommodate' them and ensure that they are alert enough to participate in their trial.

I will repeat : This is crap.


Agreed 100%

I mean, look at what this fine upstanding member of the Australian Muslim community does when fasting for Ramadan-

http://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/nrl/hazem-el-masri-to-play-80-min u tes-without-water/story-e6frep9x-1225766216335
 
2012-07-11 12:40:54 PM  

halfof33: You know who else forgot about equal protection under the law, innocent until proven guilty, and right to due process clauses?  Khalid sheik Muhammed when he sawed off Daniel Pearl's head.


So what you're saying is that you think we need to be more like Khalid sheik Muhammed?

serpent_sky: I don't accept being lumped in as "we" in that. I have no prisoners, I have treated no prisoners in any way, and I voted for the guy who was supposed to fix things, but nobody can figure out HOW, it seems, since it was handled so poorly by the previous administration that I never voted for.


So you voted for the guy who continues to do all these things?  And I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess you're voting for him again this year?

Sorry, I don't accept blame that isn't mine.

You 're at least giving your silent consent as far as I can tell.  So you might get less blame than the crowd here deamnding that the 4th Amendment be repealed, but your hands aren't totally clean.

HAMMERTOE: Wait... There are more 9-11 "accused"? I thought all but one of the conspirators died on 9-11. Could these perhaps be "enemy combatants" who dared to resist American occupation of their country, mis-labeled as a political ploy?


Nope, this guy was one of the main planners.  It seems as if your definition of "conspirators" doesn't even include bin Laden.  So either you're an idiot or 10/10.
 
2012-07-11 12:41:22 PM  

kingoomieiii: Joe Blowme: Or maybe just forgot the whole "enemy combatant" thingy. Either way you are a good dhimmi and will be rewarded by being killed last.

BEEP BEEP ISLAMOPHOBIC CODE WORD ALERT


So if you dislike the the klan and what they stand for are you klanophobic? I would say no, it is not fear and it is not irrational... you know, the definition of phobic?
 
2012-07-11 12:47:53 PM  

kingoomieiii: Some day history will judge us for how we treated our prisoners.


History will look down on ALL of us for letting any of it happen. We'll just be "cavemen with cell phones" to future generations. Primitive and ignorant.
 
2012-07-11 12:48:19 PM  

footshot: ShannonKW: Life is supposed to go on during Ramadhan. There's no religious justification for acting like an invalid for a month because you can't eat or drink for 12 hours.

I've no idea if that'll be the same in the states, but it's about 16 hours between sunrise and sunset in the UK during Ramadan, and when you factor in the need to pray and sleep that doesn't leave all that much food time.

I'm not about to try it, but I'd imagine that'd drive me crazy for 30 days straight. I suspect it's not quite as easy as you make out, given your current heat wave and that water shouldn't be passing the lips.


I hadn't thought about the latitude difference, but even at 16 hours you're asleep for half of it and taking it easy staying indoors.

That said, bear in mind the easily forgotten (even by Muslims) but obvious fact that it's not supposed to be easy. It's a fast. It's not supposed to be happy-fun-time. The whole idea of it is to put yourself through hardship to show your devotion; and when you consider the fact that it was originally practiced by people living in tents in the Arabian desert, you must admit that it is now much less of a hardship than it was ever intended to be, even when cruel men demand that you spend some of it reclining in an air-conditioned courtroom.

In a word, they can't have it both ways. They can't say "We want to endure hardship for the Lord" while saying "You making this hard on us."
 
2012-07-11 12:49:37 PM  

ShannonKW: That said, bear in mind the easily forgotten (even by Muslims) but obvious fact that it's not supposed to be easy.


Well, when you wake up early in the morning, then drink plenty of water and eat a lot, you just basically have 12 hours to wait, not exactly the end of the world either.
 
2012-07-11 12:51:34 PM  

Tatsuma: Even though the knee-jerk reaction (that I mostly share) is 'Well, 2,996 times "No, fark you"', emotions shouldn't factor in these decisions.

These people are still innocent before being proven guilty, they still deserve a fair trial, and they should have all their rights, including religious right, be upheld, even if they should not be tried in front of a civil tribunal, but rather a military one.

So let it be postponed, then let's judge them, then hang them high and feed their corpses to sharks on live tv.


How very unamerican of you.

You need to charge to watch the shark feeding on PPV.
 
2012-07-11 12:52:15 PM  
Last Meal...

im.glogster.com
 
2012-07-11 12:53:15 PM  

Molavian: How very unamerican of you.

You need to charge to watch the shark feeding on PPV.


Sometimes, capitalism is sacrificed for Patriotism.
 
2012-07-11 12:57:23 PM  

stonicus: kingoomieiii: Some day history will judge us for how we treated our prisoners.

History will look down on ALL of us for letting any of it happen. We'll just be "cavemen with cell phones" to future generations. Primitive and ignorant Goth and Emo.


Reading your post makes me want to cut myself.... another slice of cheesecake.
 
2012-07-11 12:58:11 PM  

Tatsuma: ShannonKW: That said, bear in mind the easily forgotten (even by Muslims) but obvious fact that it's not supposed to be easy.

Well, when you wake up early in the morning, then drink plenty of water and eat a lot, you just basically have 12 hours to wait, not exactly the end of the world either.


We're going around in circles a bit but, yes, agreed. The point is that it's nothing of an imposition to make 'em sit in court. It's not like they're being made to herd camels in Nafud (something that happens during Ramadhan where I live).
 
2012-07-11 12:59:12 PM  
How about fark you and get on with the hanging.
 
2012-07-11 01:04:17 PM  

ShannonKW: I hadn't thought about the latitude difference, but even at 16 hours you're asleep for half of it and taking it easy staying indoors.

That said, bear in mind the easily forgotten (even by Muslims) but obvious fact that it's not supposed to be easy. It's a fast. It's not supposed to be happy-fun-time. The whole idea of it is to put yourself through hardship to show your devotion; and when you consider the fact that it was originally practiced by people living in tents in the Arabian desert, you must admit that it is now much less of a hardship than it was ever intended to be, even when cruel men demand that you spend some of it reclining in an air-conditioned courtroom.

In a word, they can't have it both ways. They can't say "We want to endure hardship for the Lord" while saying "You making this hard on us."


I get what you mean on the point of fasting being that it should be a hardship, fair point. I'm not sure that sleeping throughout the trial will go down well though ;)

I guess a judge is the person who you'd have to trust the decision with. I could see a case, and being a lefty liberal type would air on the side of caution if I were a judge (instead of a code monkey). If only for the severity of the charges.

Which actually makes me wonder whether the defence lawyers would be observing the fast, in which case the point could be a moot one.
 
2012-07-11 01:18:55 PM  

Joe Blowme: kingoomieiii: Joe Blowme: Or maybe just forgot the whole "enemy combatant" thingy. Either way you are a good dhimmi and will be rewarded by being killed last.

BEEP BEEP ISLAMOPHOBIC CODE WORD ALERT

So if you dislike the the klan and what they stand for are you klanophobic? I would say no, it is not fear and it is not irrational... you know, the definition of phobic?


The Klan was formed with the express purpose of hurting people. You're using Pamela Gellar-approved dogwhistle racism to smear an entire religion based on a misconception. But please, continue to inform me of how all of Islam is equal to the Klan.

And by the way, I REALLY thought we were past this whole "LOL DAT'S NOT WHAT FOBIC MENS" argument, what with most homophobes not actually "fearing" gays like most arachnophobes do spiders. You have taken a rational bias- distrust of Al Qaeda- and extended it to Islam in general.
 
2012-07-11 01:19:10 PM  
+1 for the headline subby I lol'd.

I am ashamed at what the country is doing to these people though, not because I think they're innocent, but they do deserve a trial like anyone else, or at least the notification of a release date. Locked in a cage with NO IDEA when or if you will ever leave is the definition of cruel and unusual punishment and we should be ashamed of ourselves for permitting it. Hell just shooting them is better.
 
2012-07-11 01:23:41 PM  

Madbassist1: Hell just shooting them is better.



I like the cut of your jib!
 
2012-07-11 01:28:45 PM  

j0e_average: Madbassist1: Hell just shooting them is better.


I like the cut of your jib!


Didnt say they should go free...just be fairly tried, and decently hung.
 
2012-07-11 01:29:20 PM  
Nope, our government isn't required to follow your religion. You should have attacked a country which does.
 
2012-07-11 01:34:03 PM  

Madbassist1: I am ashamed at what the country is doing to these people though, not because I think they're innocent, but they do deserve a trial like anyone else, or at least the notification of a release date. Locked in a cage with NO IDEA when or if you will ever leave is the definition of cruel and unusual punishment and we should be ashamed of ourselves for permitting it. Hell just shooting them is better.


That is cruel and unfortunate. But there is a huge conundrum as I can only assume that releasing the people who were grabbed up and detained for a decade would be a bad thing as I doubt they became peaceful and nice during their detainment. So what do you do with these people? I don't think anyone who has spent time there is going to simply wipe themselves off, readjust to life, and be okay with everything that has happened. But detaining them forever? That also seems wrong. It feels like there is no correct answer here, because all paths seem to lead to the wrong answer.

We can say, in retrospect, this never should have happened. Most rational people know this. But until we have time machines, there's nothing we can do about what happened. We can only try to fix the problem. And therein lies the other problem: how?
 
2012-07-11 01:39:50 PM  

kingoomieiii: Joe Blowme: kingoomieiii: Joe Blowme: Or maybe just forgot the whole "enemy combatant" thingy. Either way you are a good dhimmi and will be rewarded by being killed last.

BEEP BEEP ISLAMOPHOBIC CODE WORD ALERT

So if you dislike the the klan and what they stand for are you klanophobic? I would say no, it is not fear and it is not irrational... you know, the definition of phobic?

The Klan was formed with the express purpose of hurting people. You're using Pamela Gellar-approved dogwhistle racism to smear an entire religion based on a misconception. But please, continue to inform me of how all of Islam is equal to the Klan.

And by the way, I REALLY thought we were past this whole "LOL DAT'S NOT WHAT FOBIC MENS" argument, what with most homophobes not actually "fearing" gays like most arachnophobes do spiders. You have taken a rational bias- distrust of Al Qaeda- and extended it to Islam in general.


Wow, now i know you are a fool. Islam is not a race. Islam is a death cult. Burrying your head is the sand will not change this fact. Maybe you should read the koran and learn something. Or hey, just go visit Saudi an see it first hand, ive been there have you? The Klan is trying to do some nice things too like the Adopt a highway anti litter program, but they are still psychos and preach hate like islam only islam has way more blood on its hands and continues to spread misery and death. And i am sorry you hate word definitions and prefer your own make believe ones, but ill play along... what is your definition of "phobia"
 
2012-07-11 01:42:09 PM  
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They have enough trouble. Who needs this guy walking around during the trial?
 
2012-07-11 01:42:11 PM  

WelldeadLink: Nope, our government isn't required to follow your religion. You should have attacked a country which does.


FTFA: "Joint Defense Motion for the Military Commission to Respect the Religious Observances of Enemy Prisoners under Common Article 3."


IANAL but the fact that there's a "Common Article 3" would suggest that your government is actually obliged to consider the motion.
 
2012-07-11 01:48:20 PM  

Joe Blowme: Wow, now i know you are a fool. Islam is not a race. Islam is a death cult.


Just letting you know exactly where I stopped reading. In the future, if your endgame is to prove your attackers completely right, just cut to the chase and do it in your Weeners.
 
2012-07-11 01:54:10 PM  
Alright, fine, I'll keep reading.

Joe Blowme: And i am sorry you hate word definitions and prefer your own make believe ones, but ill play along... what is your definition of "phobia"


Wikipedia

THE MORE YOU KNOW: Sometimes terms with a greek or latin origin deviate in meaning from their root words! This does not make them wrong!
 
2012-07-11 01:55:11 PM  

j0e_average: Christians, Jews, Muslims....burn them all.

Their costs to society outweigh thier benefits.



We should really listen to a guy who can't spell thier

I bet you're one of the most important people on the planet
 
2012-07-11 01:57:43 PM  
Do Muslim countries with sharia law postpone trials during Ramadan? No. Then shut the fark up.
 
2012-07-11 02:03:42 PM  

Joe Blowme: Islam is a death cult. Burrying your head is the sand will not change this fact. Maybe you should read the koran and learn something.



Islam is no different than any other major religion. Ever read the juicy parts of the Bible?
 
2012-07-11 02:07:01 PM  

kingoomieiii: Joe Blowme: Wow, now i know you are a fool. Islam is not a race. Islam is a death cult.

Just letting you know exactly where I stopped reading. In the future, if your endgame is to prove your attackers completely right, just cut to the chase and do it in your Weeners.


Does not surprise me that you stopped reading considering that you have made up your own definitions of words. Are there rainbow farting unicorns in your world too? You should try getting out of your moms basement once in while and see what is going on in the real word instead of living in your make believe one... (checks your profile).. ahhh that explains alot.
 
2012-07-11 02:22:05 PM  

Joe Blowme: Does not surprise me that you stopped reading...


kingoomieiii: I dutifully read his entire post, you did the right thing. And your profile made me chuckle too.

Joe Blowme: If you can't see the wrong in casting an entire religion as a "death cult", then there is little hope. But, yeah, it's fark, I expect it.
 
2012-07-11 02:24:21 PM  

Joe Blowme: considering that you have made up your own definitions of words.


2:07

kingoomieiii: what is your definition of "phobia"

Wikipedia

THE MORE YOU KNOW: Sometimes terms with a greek or latin origin deviate in meaning from their root words! This does not make them wrong!


1:54

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2012-07-11 02:36:27 PM  

footshot: Joe Blowme: Does not surprise me that you stopped reading...

kingoomieiii: I dutifully read his entire post, you did the right thing. And your profile made me chuckle too.

Joe Blowme: If you can't see the wrong in casting an entire religion as a "death cult", then there is little hope. But, yeah, it's fark, I expect it.


I think all the Abrahamic religions are death cults, but I also recognize that most of the adherents have enough humanity and common sense to ignore the worst parts of their death cult books.  Espcially when brought up in areas where the death cults don't have legal power.  What does that make me?
 
2012-07-11 02:54:05 PM  

ByOwlLight: chimp_ninja: I'd prefer the federal government's stance be: If the court is open that day, and you're next in the docket, it's your turn.

Funny, the court is usually closed for the big Christian holidays.

Don't get me wrong, I am in total agreement about every religion or no religion when it comes to things like this. But as it is right now, shiat ain't like that and they have a right to ask.


1) I agree that federal buildings should ideally be open on Christian holidays. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion," and all that.
2) It's a stretch to compare 1-day or 2-day closures with saying you can't be tried for an entire month, especially when there's nothing inherent to Ramadan that says business can't be done. Courts don't close for Lent, for example.
 
2012-07-11 02:59:04 PM  

BMFPitt: What does that make me?...

I think all the Abrahamic religions are death cults...


Dramatic...

...but I also recognize that most of the adherents have enough humanity and common sense to ignore the worst parts of their death cult books

...but sensible.

So I'm going for overall, in my opinion (which counts for nothing), it makes you, "a good egg".
 
2012-07-11 03:03:06 PM  
PS: I'm guessing you don't actually think of all abrahamic religions as death cults, but you were illustrating an opinion that religion is silly but should be respected all the same.
 
2012-07-11 03:04:00 PM  

BMFPitt: footshot: Joe Blowme: Does not surprise me that you stopped reading...

kingoomieiii: I dutifully read his entire post, you did the right thing. And your profile made me chuckle too.

Joe Blowme: If you can't see the wrong in casting an entire religion as a "death cult", then there is little hope. But, yeah, it's fark, I expect it.

I think all the Abrahamic religions are death cults, but I also recognize that most of the adherents have enough humanity and common sense to ignore the worst parts of their death cult books.  Espcially when brought up in areas where the death cults don't have legal power.  What does that make me?


A death cult apologist?

/just speculating.
 
2012-07-11 04:02:43 PM  

Joe Blowme: kingoomieiii: Joe Blowme: Or maybe just forgot the whole "enemy combatant" thingy. Either way you are a good dhimmi and will be rewarded by being killed last.

BEEP BEEP ISLAMOPHOBIC CODE WORD ALERT

So if you dislike the the klan and what they stand for are you klanophobic? I would say no, it is not fear and it is not irrational... you know, the definition of phobic?


Given their track record, it makes a lot of sense to be afraid of Islam.
 
2012-07-11 05:50:09 PM  

footshot: PS: I'm guessing you don't actually think of all abrahamic religions as death cults, but you were illustrating an opinion that religion is silly but should be respected all the same.


No, I really do think they're death cults. If someone followed the Torrah/Bible/Koran to the letter, they wouldn't be functionally different from that guy in the Temple of Doom.
 
2012-07-12 12:25:51 PM  
^
Know how I know you don't read?
 
2012-07-12 09:09:49 PM  
Fark them and their religion.
 
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