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2012-07-11 01:03:31 PM
Holy crap. That guys name is vijay jay!
 
2012-07-11 01:13:40 PM

BarkingUnicorn: DirecTV says Viacom wants over $1 billion. DirecTV has about 20 million subscribers. That's an average of over $50 per subscriber. Something smells.


Over the course of the contract...
 
2012-07-11 01:17:06 PM
FIOS FTW!

Satellite TV is sooo 90's.
 
2012-07-11 01:19:03 PM

mikieb: Doesn't DirecTV make a brazillian dollars on their NFL Sunday Ticket package, that they have exclusive rights to? You think with all that money they could afford to pay viacom more per subscriber. It's also still owned by Rupert Murdoch, isn't it?


Rupert Murcdoch/Fox/Newscorp at one point owned a Minority stake in Liberty Media, who owned DirecTV.

in 2008 Newscorp sold that stake, a year or two later DirecTV was spun off from Liberty into its own corporate entity (so even if Newscorp didn't sell, they wouldn't have owned any of DirecTV).

And Newscorp doesn't have a thumb in the Viacom pie.
 
2012-07-11 01:19:24 PM

plasticuser: bentheguard: NickelP: bentheguard: I live in an apartment complex where it is either DirecTV or nothing. No cable, no Dish Network, no choice! I stuck with DirecTV when they dropped G4, but now that there is no new Futurama or South Park, then I'm done!

By law, they can't restrict you from getting any sat provider you want. If they allow dtv they can't restrict dish differently.

The complex goes through a company called Consolidated Smart Systems, and the apartments are all wired for DirecTv. There are large communal dishes on the roofs of the buildings. It is a huge scam, and I miss having Cox Cable.

/did not know this when we first signed our lease
//would not have signed if I knes

The FCC has ruled that TV is a free speech right, and if the apartment complex has language in their lease that prevents you from choosing a satellite provider, not only is the language unlawful and invalid, but you can get damages if/when they obstruct you from installing your own satellite system - subject to it being installed in a safe place, and you having renter's insurance to cover any damages, should they occur.

Same goes for HOAs.

/won a case, cost the HOA $35,000
//asshats


You may know more than me on this, and correct me if i am off, but it still isnt like you just stick it up and call it a day. They can require deposits to cover damages and restrict the installation to be done professionally.
 
2012-07-11 01:21:59 PM

plasticuser: bentheguard: NickelP: bentheguard: I live in an apartment complex where it is either DirecTV or nothing. No cable, no Dish Network, no choice! I stuck with DirecTV when they dropped G4, but now that there is no new Futurama or South Park, then I'm done!

By law, they can't restrict you from getting any sat provider you want. If they allow dtv they can't restrict dish differently.

The complex goes through a company called Consolidated Smart Systems, and the apartments are all wired for DirecTv. There are large communal dishes on the roofs of the buildings. It is a huge scam, and I miss having Cox Cable.

/did not know this when we first signed our lease
//would not have signed if I knes

The FCC has ruled that TV is a free speech right, and if the apartment complex has language in their lease that prevents you from choosing a satellite provider, not only is the language unlawful and invalid, but you can get damages if/when they obstruct you from installing your own satellite system - subject to it being installed in a safe place, and you having renter's insurance to cover any damages, should they occur.

Same goes for HOAs.

/won a case, cost the HOA $35,000
//asshats


And then your HOA rates doubled or tripled in the next year to cover the lawyer expenses?
 
2012-07-11 01:22:27 PM

gunslinger19: I wish I could get my husband to agree to having satellite internet. We live in the country, which I enjoy, but internet options are limited to dial-up, satellite, or using our phones as wi-fi hot spot for the computers. Using are phones is faster than dial-up, but it is still to slow to download tv shows or movies. I don't watch a lot of tv, but it would be nice to have the option of downloading something if I wished to.


don'y do it... sat internet sucks, 400mb daily download limit... no that is not a typo

/you can't download or stream anything
 
2012-07-11 01:23:47 PM
stevengoddard.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-07-11 01:30:04 PM

rugman11:
Let's see. Yesterday I went for a walk with my wife at the local nature reserve, I read a book while riding the stationary bike, and I had sex with my wife. I also watched Sunday night's Falling Skies and we watched Conan together.


What a coincidence! Yesterday I also went for a walk, read a book and had sex with your wife!
 
2012-07-11 01:34:09 PM

DarthBart: plasticuser: bentheguard: NickelP: bentheguard: I live in an apartment complex where it is either DirecTV or nothing. No cable, no Dish Network, no choice! I stuck with DirecTV when they dropped G4, but now that there is no new Futurama or South Park, then I'm done!

By law, they can't restrict you from getting any sat provider you want. If they allow dtv they can't restrict dish differently.

The complex goes through a company called Consolidated Smart Systems, and the apartments are all wired for DirecTv. There are large communal dishes on the roofs of the buildings. It is a huge scam, and I miss having Cox Cable.

/did not know this when we first signed our lease
//would not have signed if I knes

The FCC has ruled that TV is a free speech right, and if the apartment complex has language in their lease that prevents you from choosing a satellite provider, not only is the language unlawful and invalid, but you can get damages if/when they obstruct you from installing your own satellite system - subject to it being installed in a safe place, and you having renter's insurance to cover any damages, should they occur.

Same goes for HOAs.

/won a case, cost the HOA $35,000
//asshats

And then your HOA rates doubled or tripled in the next year to cover the lawyer expenses?


And the very next year I moved to a non-HOA property because I was sick of the bullshiat. They had a vendetta against me for things like not mowing the grass (it was 3"), and for cars being parked in the street that were not mine or visitors to me... The final straw was when they told me the house wasn't in an approved color, even though it was the same color as every other third house - none of those people got notices - it seems the paint fading in the sun was enough to take it 'out of spec' for me, but not for the neighbors.

There comes a time when dealing with little Hitlers that you just have to ignore them and move on, because the alternative would mean a life sentence or death penalty. ;)
 
2012-07-11 01:34:48 PM

DarthBart: bentheguard: NickelP: bentheguard: I live in an apartment complex where it is either DirecTV or nothing. No cable, no Dish Network, no choice! I stuck with DirecTV when they dropped G4, but now that there is no new Futurama or South Park, then I'm done!

By law, they can't restrict you from getting any sat provider you want. If they allow dtv they can't restrict dish differently.

The complex goes through a company called Consolidated Smart Systems, and the apartments are all wired for DirecTv. There are large communal dishes on the roofs of the buildings. It is a huge scam, and I miss having Cox Cable.

/did not know this when we first signed our lease
//would not have signed if I knes

If you've got a south facing balcony, put your own dish on it? If the complex gives you a problem, print out a copy of the OTARD rules, staple it to the back of your pants and say "read this, and while you're down there, kiss my ass".


Very much so THIS! They cannot tell you no but they can make restrictions as per mounting locations.


http://www.fcc.gov/guides/installing-consumer-owned-antennas-and-sate l lite-dishes
 
2012-07-11 01:35:15 PM

NickelP: plasticuser:
You may know more than me on this, and correct me if i am off, but it still isnt like you just stick it up and call it a day. They can require deposits to cover damages and restrict the installation to be done professionally.


The FCC regulations prohibit restrictions that "(1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal."

Now, they are very clear that this only applies to areas where the tenant has exclusive use (like a deck or patio), so you can't install a dish on a roof or an exterior wall. I'm also not sure whether a deposit would be allowed but most installers don't even need to physically attach the dish anywhere anymore. At my last apartment, they had a floor mount that they secured on my deck with four cinder blocks. It worked like a charm.
 
2012-07-11 01:39:46 PM

Tobin_Lam: Monmaji: Mr. Potatoass: FTFA: "Programmers like Viacom typically won't allow anyone to buy their channels individually, but we hope to change that," DirecTV said in its statement.

Oh, the irony.

It's actually an FCC regulation that prevents providers from offering ala cart programming.

/DTV Service tech
//getting a kick etc.

That's the first I've heard of that. I have heard recently that unbundling would actually raise prices. I don't remember exactly how that worked out but it made sense.


Things like qvc and thir Ilk help offset the cost since they pay providers to carry them.
 
2012-07-11 02:12:35 PM

rugman11: NickelP: plasticuser:
You may know more than me on this, and correct me if i am off, but it still isnt like you just stick it up and call it a day. They can require deposits to cover damages and restrict the installation to be done professionally.

The FCC regulations prohibit restrictions that "(1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal."

Now, they are very clear that this only applies to areas where the tenant has exclusive use (like a deck or patio), so you can't install a dish on a roof or an exterior wall. I'm also not sure whether a deposit would be allowed but most installers don't even need to physically attach the dish anywhere anymore. At my last apartment, they had a floor mount that they secured on my deck with four cinder blocks. It worked like a charm.


Not saying it is legal, but most apartments around me charge $250-$500 as a deposit. That really seems reasonable to me. I understand there are ways to mount them without drilling into the decking, and running flat cables through sliding glass doors, but for every person that does this one doesn't. It does get expensive to replacing/paint decking that was drilled into and patch holes through walls/siding that people ran cables through.
 
2012-07-11 03:06:19 PM

NickelP: rugman11: NickelP: plasticuser:
You may know more than me on this, and correct me if i am off, but it still isnt like you just stick it up and call it a day. They can require deposits to cover damages and restrict the installation to be done professionally.

The FCC regulations prohibit restrictions that "(1) unreasonably delay or prevent installation, maintenance or use; (2) unreasonably increase the cost of installation, maintenance or use; or (3) preclude reception of an acceptable quality signal."

Now, they are very clear that this only applies to areas where the tenant has exclusive use (like a deck or patio), so you can't install a dish on a roof or an exterior wall. I'm also not sure whether a deposit would be allowed but most installers don't even need to physically attach the dish anywhere anymore. At my last apartment, they had a floor mount that they secured on my deck with four cinder blocks. It worked like a charm.

Not saying it is legal, but most apartments around me charge $250-$500 as a deposit. That really seems reasonable to me. I understand there are ways to mount them without drilling into the decking, and running flat cables through sliding glass doors, but for every person that does this one doesn't. It does get expensive to replacing/paint decking that was drilled into and patch holes through walls/siding that people ran cables through.


shiat like this makes me happy I own.

Current mortgage in my current city is less than rent for a 1/3 of the size in the city I used to live in.
 
2012-07-11 03:06:56 PM

rugman11: rugman11: Monmaji: Mr. Potatoass: FTFA: "Programmers like Viacom typically won't allow anyone to buy their channels individually, but we hope to change that," DirecTV said in its statement.

Oh, the irony.

It's actually an FCC regulation that prevents providers from offering ala cart programming.

/DTV Service tech
//getting a kick etc.

That's not true. From the FCC:

"Cable television operators are not required to offer channels on an à la carte or individual basis. However, cable operators are free to offer channels other than those required to be on the basic tier on an à la carte basis. ... For example, if a cable company offers MTV in a package with other channels and the subscriber wants only MTV, the subscriber must purchase the entire package. If the company, however, chooses to offer MTV à la carte, a subscriber may purchase just MTV."

I should amend this that the "basic tier" referred to here is not basic cable:

"The basic service tier is required to include, at a minimum, the local broadcast television stations and the public, educational and governmental (PEG) access channels that the operator may be required to offer pursuant to an agreement with the local government. After complying with these minimum requirements, the cable operator may offer additional programming as part of the basic service tier."


After reading into this a bit more after seeing your post I stand corrected. That being said a basic tier of PEG requirement does not fall on satellite providers.

http://www.fcc.gov/encyclopedia/faqs- satellite#provide

Must  a satellite company provide local channels to any subscriber who wants the channels?
No. The satellite company has the option of providing local-into-local service, but is not required to do so. Some satellite companies are already providing this service in selected markets. Subscribers should contact their satellite company to determine whether and when the service will be available in their specific DMA and which DMA applies to
 
2012-07-11 03:31:08 PM
FTFA: The dropoff has been particularly acute at Nickelodeon's longtime ratings hit "SpongeBob," which accounted for up to 40% of the network's airtime late last year.

Just think about that for a second, folks. Of the 16 hours a day Nickelodeon is on (the other 8 being Nick at Nite), nearly six and a half hours of that time is SpongeBob. And they wonder why the show's ratings have declined.
 
2012-07-11 03:47:49 PM
Viacom NEEDS Direct TV. Call the bluff, they'll be begging DTV before too long to take them back.
 
2012-07-11 04:02:08 PM

bentheguard: I live in an apartment complex where it is either DirecTV or nothing. No cable, no Dish Network, no choice! I stuck with DirecTV when they dropped G4, but now that there is no new Futurama or South Park, then I'm done!


Uh, how is this legal? I'm curious, because one of the few consumer-based protections the FCC provides is a rather stringent set of rules concerning how and if apartments and HOAs can restrict your ability to choose where you get your TV signal.
 
2012-07-11 04:11:23 PM

gunslinger19: I wish I could get my husband to agree to having satellite internet. We live in the country, which I enjoy, but internet options are limited to dial-up, satellite, or using our phones as wi-fi hot spot for the computers. Using are phones is faster than dial-up, but it is still to slow to download tv shows or movies. I don't watch a lot of tv, but it would be nice to have the option of downloading something if I wished to.


If you want to download something, don't go with satellite internet. Every provider I've heard of does some asinine form of bandwidth throttling if any single download exceeds some really trivial amount, like 64 megs. Of course it's been a while since I last checked, but I swore that would go away when I first heard about it nearly a decade ago and systems like that were still in place when I looked into it three years ago.
 
2012-07-11 04:42:12 PM

EBN-OZN: I tried the rabbit ear thing, with only a few channels coming in, and not too well at that. And I live in a large city, less than 10 miles from the antenna farm where all the transmitters are.

I bought a rooftop DTV antenna, strung some coax and now have dozens of OTA signals that come in strong. Spend ~$100 bucks and you might see a big improvemen


madgonad: Tobin_Lam: I live in a city of over 150,000 and I get 3 channels(including subchannels). According to one of those antenna website, Fox is the same distance as the other stations but it won't come in. It is going to be football season soon so that is unacceptable. Even worse, the channels that do come in don't come in very well.

Fox stations are notorious for dropping their power output to make their signal harder to reach. You just can't get away with a set-top antenna in the age of digital broadcasts and fungible power output. Your local TV stations actually get PAID for delivering their channel over cable/sat, but make NOTHING from OTA. That means they want you on cable/sat so that they get PAID. I live in the suburbs and put up a $70 antenna to get them all (27 channels!). I still have problems with FOX after midnight when they drop their power waaaaaaay down. I pickup channels being broadcast from over 50 miles away, but the FOX broadcast from 15 miles has the worst signal of them all.



While a $70 antenna will definitely help, and is vastly superior to rabbit ears, you don't always need that to get the same reception.

First off, rabbit ears are meant to pick up VHF signals. Digital TV is entirely* transmitted via UHF, not VHF. If you're going to use anything you have lying around to try and pick up digital TV, you want to use one of these two:

dudewhereismytv.files.wordpress.comwww.digicircle.com

Either a loop or a bow-tie antenna. The only thing you need the rabbit ears for is if you have the kind that clips to them, so you can better position it.

Better than that though, you can make a pretty awesome Digital TV antenna using some hangers, screws, and a piece of wood, or even some loose wire and cardboard. Follow one of the thousands of guides out there (seriously, search youtube for "build UHF antenna") and you wind up with something like these:

farm4.static.flickr.comcosinekitty.com

It's like $5 in pieces, tops, and way worth the reception you get. I used one of these when I lived in Reno and we picked up literally every digital station broadcast in the area. The antenna wasn't even anywhere clever, it was just on the floor behind the TV.
 
2012-07-11 04:56:26 PM
 
2012-07-11 04:59:09 PM
NFL Sunday Tickets has me by the scrote. I've got no choice unless I want to spend the money to watch my team from a sports bar (just as expensive), watch on some crappy stream on the internet (horrible experience) or not watch (absolutely NOT an option).
 
2012-07-11 05:05:49 PM

rtaylor92: NFL Sunday Tickets has me by the scrote. I've got no choice unless I want to spend the money to watch my team from a sports bar (just as expensive), watch on some crappy stream on the internet (horrible experience) or not watch (absolutely NOT an option).


Link
 
2012-07-11 05:27:20 PM

rtaylor92: NFL Sunday Tickets has me by the scrote. I've got no choice unless I want to spend the money to watch my team from a sports bar (just as expensive), watch on some crappy stream on the internet (horrible experience) or not watch (absolutely NOT an option).


The plus side of not having to go to a sports bar and watching at home is avoiding the drunk d-bags who's quality of their entire upcoming week depends on the outcome of their local sports team.

I live in Wisconsin...some Packer fans need to whipped.
 
2012-07-11 06:35:06 PM

yukichigai: bentheguard: I live in an apartment complex where it is either DirecTV or nothing. No cable, no Dish Network, no choice! I stuck with DirecTV when they dropped G4, but now that there is no new Futurama or South Park, then I'm done!

Uh, how is this legal? I'm curious, because one of the few consumer-based protections the FCC provides is a rather stringent set of rules concerning how and if apartments and HOAs can restrict your ability to choose where you get your TV signal.


Ya know; I really wish I knew. My balcony faces west (here in AZ, it freakin' burns up in the late afternoon) so no Dish Network. Cox says that service is not available at my location.

This sucks!

/DirecTV needs to give everyone one month of free HBO/SHO for every day that we are without Viacom.
//Subscriber Bill Of Rights
/// Third slashie is the charm!
 
2012-07-11 07:11:01 PM

cmcnabb314: As one of those 20 million I'm.... I'm ok with that.


As one of those 20 million with 3 daughters ages 2, 10, and 15, I'm not ok with this.

/who else is going to babysit if not Dora, Spongebob, and iCarly?
 
2012-07-11 09:22:30 PM

Rhames: Earg


Nope, Viacom has killed that too.
 
2012-07-11 09:47:21 PM

Propain_az: well, since I don't even own a TV, this makes me laugh.


Yeah...speaking as a vegan who doesn't own a car, it's actually way better to just listen to music on vinyl instead of watching tv. I've got some great bands, but you've probably never heard of them.
 
2012-07-11 11:38:19 PM

NutWrench: Folks who can't imagine life without cable should buy a cheap antenna, hook it up and see how much stuff is broadcast over the air for free. I live in a fairly rural area and get 12 digital channels, most of them in HD.

I never realized how much time (and money) I was wasting before I cancelled cable.


OTA is useless. Nothing to watch, at all. Old movies in shiatty quality, primetime sitcoms, evening news, yeah fark that. There's a lot you can watch for free but what's the point if its nothing I want to watch? Most of that I couldn't even stand having on in the background.

I've got DTV, and can't say I miss these channels. CC yes, but its not like you can't find futurama or south park online. I don't need CC so much that I can't go days, weeks, or even months without it. And as its been said, Nickelodeon can DIAF too. I used to watch Spongebob and Fairly Oddparents sometimes in college, now its like they've taken a page from MTV's handbook with more reality TV. Fark that.

I need CN for adult swim. Went a year without it last year and it was really missed, a lot of the programming on there is unique and you end up missing out on new shows, etc. When I watch TV online I'm pretty much restricted to what I already like.

This might have a silver lining. DTV has been pushing Viacom to distribute their channels a la carte. That'll set a precedent. If they can somehow get Viacom to agree to that it could open the door, others could follow suit and one day we could pick all channels a la carte.
 
2012-07-12 01:15:41 AM
I am not very angry at this at all. I really don't watch a lot of the channels that are off air. I do watch comedy central for Tosh and futurama but I can watch those online (and I have a feeling Tosh will be off the air thanks to his rape joke). I don't watch mtv, logo, bet, cmt, gmt, nickelodeon, or anything else they offer. I could care less if they come back.

I have a feeling viacom is going to buckle first from this. Soon, the lost revenue from subscriber fees mixed with the lost revenue from advertising is going to force them to make concessions. DirecTV may lose some subscribers over this but most won't move to another provider unless this is for an extended period. DirecTV is flexing the muscle it has for being the largest provider of tv in the country with 16 million subscribers. If DirecTV loses in this and gives into viacom, they will pull the same shiat with all providers next year when their contracts are up.

The funny part about all of this is how people are reacting. Go to the DirecTV Facebook page and read the comments from people. The best ones are the mothers who are livid that they don't have their tv sitters with nick anymore. All I could think about is that these poor women may have to give up cackling with their friends about how much 50 shades of Grey makes them tingle and may actually have to interact with their kids.

I may think about moving my business elsewhere if Sunday ticket was available elsewhere to save money but I loves me some Sunday ticket. Screw in market games and red zone isn't the same.
 
2012-07-12 02:39:21 AM
I really wish they would charge per channel instead of offering these packages of shiat nobody watches. It would be even more awesome if they charged just for the shows you watched. I bet the content and quality of programming would get a lot better.

I only watch a couple of channels a few times a week. And one of them is local.


First provider that offers this wins the subscriber game. We all know the future is Youtube social Netflix subscriber base programming. Soon someone will come along and offer this and do what Amazon is doing to retail chains and Netflix did to video rental stores. Netflix is already getting into producing its own content and will probably become something like HBO.

A decade from now a majority of these content producers and providers will probably not be around because they don't see this.
 
2012-07-12 02:53:27 AM

stolibro: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7207125/77991299#c77991299" target="_blank">cmcnabb314</a>:</b> <i>As one of those 20 million I'm.... I'm ok with that.</i>

As one of those 20 million with 3 daughters ages 2, 10, and 15, I'm not ok with this.

/who else is going to babysit if not Dora, Spongebob, and iCarly?


Netflix has all those I think. And every episode is in chronological order without commercials. Just think 24/7 hundreds of hours of cartoons.

// It helps if you have a video console that can download the Netflix app so you can watch in on your TV.
 
2012-07-12 07:46:21 AM

intelligent comment below: spentmiles: Stewart and Colbert have run out of marijuana jokes, Republican bashing slap stick pieces, and soft liberal interviews, so there's not much to miss there.


You sound like a bitter college Republican who really thinks this is what both the shows are about.


You sound like a smug Democrat who thinks that these guys are the pinnacle of the comedic genre.
 
2012-07-12 10:49:07 AM
So a legal type question here. If I have a "package" of stations through DirectTV and they have dropped, for whatever reason, a large number of those channels; is my contract null and void? Just asking.
 
2012-07-12 11:11:52 AM

CallMeGomer: So a legal type question here. If I have a "package" of stations through DirectTV and they have dropped, for whatever reason, a large number of those channels; is my contract null and void? Just asking.


No. You're not buying specific channels, you're buying a package. There's a clause in your contract that says they can add or subtract channels from the package at any time. Specifically, it says:

"Many factors affect the availability, cost and quality of programming and may influence the decision to raise prices and the amount of any increase. These include, among others, programming and other costs, consumer demand, market and shareholder expectations, and changing business conditions. Accordingly, we must reserve the unrestricted right to change, rearrange, add or delete our programming packages, the selections in those packages, our prices, and any other Service we offer, at any time. We will endeavor to notify you of any change that is within our reasonable control and its effective date. In most cases this notice will be about one month in advance. You always have the right to cancel your Service, in whole or in part, if you do not accept the change (see Section 5). If you cancel your Service, a deactivation fee (described in Sections 2 & 5(b)) or other charges may apply. Credits, if any, to your account will be posted as described in Section 5. If you do not cancel, your continued receipt of our Service will constitute acceptance."
 
2012-07-12 06:56:11 PM

LoonieCobber: You sound like a smug Democrat who thinks that these guys are the pinnacle of the comedic genre.



So your argument is they aren't funny and their shows original? I've watched TDS since Craig Kilborn started. It's a quality show that's hilarious most of the time. There isn't anything else like it and Colbert on tv. Sorry you're a bitter little child who gets upset when your world view is insulted with logic and facts.
 
2012-07-12 07:58:08 PM

Trocadero: I don't care, I can watch the Daily Show online for free!


Worth repeating: Viacom took down the web episodes of Daily Show/Colbert.
 
2012-07-13 12:16:44 PM

Mr. Potatoass: If they don't involve Comcast, or Dish Network, I'm all ears.



SickBeard.com
 
2012-07-14 12:40:31 PM
I don't even have DTV, and I'm ready to ditch cable. To pay so much for something I use so little ain't worth it.
 
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