Do you have adblock enabled?
 
If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(Huffington Post)   Belfast City Council orders dog put down because of its resemblance to a pit bull. Evil Roy Gato seen chuckling and twirling mustache   ( huffingtonpost.com) divider line
    More: Fail, Belfast City Council, Belfast  
•       •       •

4566 clicks; posted to Main » on 11 Jul 2012 at 9:09 AM (5 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



98 Comments     (+0 »)
 
View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | » | Newest | Show all

 
2012-07-11 10:27:47 AM  
Looks like we need a Dog Meme graphic to match the AK one.
 
2012-07-11 10:28:09 AM  
Y'know, maybe Belfast deserved the Black and Tans and the Orangemen.
 
2012-07-11 10:28:39 AM  
I condemn the killing of this dog. it is senseless and with out any need or reasonable legal need.
 
2012-07-11 10:28:39 AM  

tetsoushima: mister aj: It's also quite hard to convince a court that your family and dog aren't tied up in gang violence when death threats and petrol bombs have been sent to council employees over the last couple of years.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just need a source.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18794360
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/pets/9391766/Lennox-the-dog-humanel y -put-to-sleep.html
 
2012-07-11 10:30:54 AM  

bextraordinary: It's tragic that people have taken this trait and used it to create dogs that attack other dogs and people, but that is the fault of the owners, not the breed.


Unfortunately, being a douchebag-owner magnet doesn't just damage the breed's rep but the breed itself because those douchebags are the ones effectively setting the standards.

mister aj: The Dangerous Dogs Act requires that a dog is of a certain breed, *and* has been proven to be dangerous before it can be proven to put down.


According to the council website that I quoted earlier, the dog is presumed dangerous if it is of a certain type (not breed), and it is presumed by the court to be a dangerous type if the prosecution says it is. No "proven" about it.
 
2012-07-11 10:33:20 AM  
I have an American Bulldog, and I cannot take her out into public without people freaking out over my pit. She's not a pit bull goddamnit!!!

And she's far from aggressive. People really need to start learning their dog breeds before they jump to conclusions. Its kind of the same thing where news calls everything a glock or an assault rifle.

.45 Colt = Glock
HK 40 = Glock
S&W .38 = Glock

SKS = AK47
Remington .22 = Assault Rifle
Red Rider BB Gun = Military Grade Killing Machine

American Bulldog = Pit Bull
Bull Terrier = Pit Bull
Jack Russell Terrier with an ounderbite = Pit Bull

Stop calling my sweet dog a pit you friggen Re-Re's.
 
2012-07-11 10:33:23 AM  
Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
mister aj: The Dangerous Dogs Act requires that a dog is of a certain breed, *and* has been proven to be dangerous before it can be proven to put down.

According to the council website that I quoted earlier, the dog is presumed dangerous if it is of a certain type (not breed), and it is presumed by the court to be a dangerous type if the prosecution says it is. No "proven" about it.

I'd suggest reading the legislation. Further: "The Council's expert described the dog as one of the most unpredictable and dangerous dogs he had come across."

That quote is about the specific dog, not the breed. But it's highly likely that a vet would perjure themselves, to go along with a sinister anti-Lennox conspiracy with no discernable motive!
 
2012-07-11 10:33:26 AM  
i165.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-11 10:43:55 AM  
I found out about Lennox's case through following Anthony Head on Twitter. The whole thing's been pretty upsetting, but the indignities surrounding the poor dog's death take the cake. The council refusing to let the family have a last visit or even return Lennox's body to them, only mailing them "some ashes" (presumably with no assurance that they're even his?)

I expect major global backlash.
 
2012-07-11 10:50:36 AM  

mister aj: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
mister aj: The Dangerous Dogs Act requires that a dog is of a certain breed, *and* has been proven to be dangerous before it can be proven to put down.

According to the council website that I quoted earlier, the dog is presumed dangerous if it is of a certain type (not breed), and it is presumed by the court to be a dangerous type if the prosecution says it is. No "proven" about it.

I'd suggest reading the legislation.


Ok. Where's the requirement to prove the dog dangerous in addition to deeming it a dangerous type?
 
2012-07-11 10:53:59 AM  
 
2012-07-11 10:57:13 AM  

mister aj: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
mister aj: The Dangerous Dogs Act requires that a dog is of a certain breed, *and* has been proven to be dangerous before it can be proven to put down.

According to the council website that I quoted earlier, the dog is presumed dangerous if it is of a certain type (not breed), and it is presumed by the court to be a dangerous type if the prosecution says it is. No "proven" about it.
I'd suggest reading the legislation. Further: "The Council's expert described the dog as one of the most unpredictable and dangerous dogs he had come across."

That quote is about the specific dog, not the breed. But it's highly likely that a vet would perjure themselves, to go along with a sinister anti-Lennox conspiracy with no discernable motive!


And of course, the council doesn't name their "expert".

If I recall, two independent animal behaviorists (one of them being Sarah Fisher, who's a pretty big deal in the animal world) assessed the dog as well-mannered.
 
2012-07-11 10:57:57 AM  

darkvstar: owning a pit bull is like owning a wolf or a tiger. they are adorable, intelligent, powerful, beautiful animals but they need to be taught to live politely with other animals and humans. When things go wrong it's their human owners who need to be neutered for being idiots. An untrained pitbull is like a loaded gun.


A loaded gun doesn't eat poop.
 
2012-07-11 11:00:32 AM  

StoPPeRmobile: darkvstar: owning a pit bull is like owning a wolf or a tiger. they are adorable, intelligent, powerful, beautiful animals but they need to be taught to live politely with other animals and humans. When things go wrong it's their human owners who need to be neutered for being idiots. An untrained pitbull is like a loaded gun.

A loaded gun doesn't eat poop.


If it did, would that make it a muzzle-loader?
 
2012-07-11 11:07:53 AM  

LemSkroob: My problem isn't with the pitbulls. Its with the owners. Why is it that pitbulls always seem to have a raging douchbag for an owner? Is that the *only* dog that douchebags are allowed to buy?

When you pick-up your pitbull puppy, do you also get issued a free wife-beater, a gold chain, and a coupon for a free arm-sleeve at the local tattoo parlor?


We have a 12 yr. old pit. We didn't pick her, she "picked" us. She was wandering around our home and had a rope she had chewed through tied tightly around her neck (She was about 1 yr. old at the time). We asked around the neighborhood to find out if she belonged to anyone, but no one recognized her. We had her spayed and micro-chipped and went through the process of formal adoption. Sometime after that her real owner showed up, but after learning that we had no intention of returning her, she dropped the issue. Beulah (our pit) has never attacked anyone and I doubt she ever would as she's been raised in a loving home. We love her.
 
2012-07-11 11:07:54 AM  

Strix occidentalis:
And of course, the council doesn't name their "expert".

If I recall, two independent animal behaviorists (one of them being Sarah Fisher, who's a pretty big deal in the animal world) assessed the dog as well-mannered.

You could read the court transcript. Nobody's been able to explain exactly why the council was hellbent on killing a perfectly safe dog, or why a vet was willing to perjure themselves over this, or why a court would be corrupted to accept a non-expert as an expert. What's the motive? Apply Occam.

And if two animal behaviorists really did say this, the owners scored a major own goal by not bringing them as witnesses into the court cases and appeals. Their case just doesn't add up.
 
2012-07-11 11:16:05 AM  

darkvstar: owning a pit bull is like owning a wolf or a tiger. they are adorable, intelligent, powerful, beautiful animals but they need to be taught to live politely with other animals and humans. When things go wrong it's their human owners who need to be neutered for being idiots. An untrained pitbull is like a loaded gun.



nice one, 6.834/10. superb form, timing was off.
 
2012-07-11 11:27:12 AM  
love-a-bull.org
 
2012-07-11 11:29:54 AM  

mister aj: Scumbag family buys a dog. Scumbag family uses the dog as a "weapon dog" (it's a gang thing). Scumbag family and their proven-to-be-dangerous dog comes to the attention of the police due to the behaviour of their scumbag family and their dog. Dog gets taken away. Scumbag family puts out a sympathetic story that omits all of the pertinent details and goes viral.


Not really finding anything to back up your statements, you wouldn't happen to be pulling shiat out of your ass, now would you?
 
2012-07-11 11:35:22 AM  
Couldn't have been Pitbull. He's on his way to Kodiak.
 
2012-07-11 11:42:12 AM  

mister aj: Scumbag family buys a dog. Scumbag family uses the dog as a "weapon dog" (it's a gang thing). Scumbag family and their proven-to-be-dangerous dog comes to the attention of the police due to the behaviour of their scumbag family and their dog. Dog gets taken away. Scumbag family puts out a sympathetic story that omits all of the pertinent details and goes viral.


I live with my mom troll. Not even close.
 
2012-07-11 11:51:39 AM  
My wife runs a neonate puppy rescue, and we've had to stop taking pit bulls (even though we've had some truly amazing ones come through the rescue) because they're so hard to adopt out, due to municipal ownership restrictions.

The joke when we get dogs in is "that dog's a pit" (especially when they look like a shih tzu or a little foofy dog), since we often don't know the parentage of the puppies we rescue (or at least who the daddy/daddies of a litter were), and so many people are so willing to identify any mutt as a pit mix.

In the case of Lennox, an internationally known dog trainer (who our trainer works with) flew to Belfast and offered to temperament test and rehome the dog outside the UK, and was turned down.
 
2012-07-11 11:52:02 AM  

GlassNinja: mister aj: Scumbag family buys a dog. Scumbag family uses the dog as a "weapon dog" (it's a gang thing). Scumbag family and their proven-to-be-dangerous dog comes to the attention of the police due to the behaviour of their scumbag family and their dog. Dog gets taken away. Scumbag family puts out a sympathetic story that omits all of the pertinent details and goes viral.

First of all, scumbag troll might want to get his story straight before spouting off. I have been following this story since the beginning. And it bears NO resemblance to your version. Let's try again:

Responsible family acquires a dog. The dog becomes a family pet. They take it to the vet - get it fixed, vaccinated, microchipped - all the things a responsible dog owner would do. Dog becomes the beloved pet of the family's children. Unfortunately, the dog happens to "look" like a banned breed. DNA tests prove otherwise.

The story goes in May 2010 the Barnes family got a knock on the door, it was a group of police officers accompanied by a dog warden. They claimed their dog, Lennox was an illegal breed and was a danger to the community, they had a warrant for his seizure and they hauled Lennox of in a van, leaving the Barnes family with a piece of paper work explaining how a dog that is dangerous or an illegal breed like a pitbull is to be seized and euthanised right away.

The problem? Lennox was neither a danger to the community nor a pitbull, he was an american bulldog lab mix who had a habit of barking at strangers walking past his house. But, he had no record of aggression to humans or other dogs and had never bitten anyone. Then, one day someone called the police because they found Lennox either intimidating or irritating. A dog warden was sent to the house, and he simply stood in front of the house and watched Lennox bark at him, then without entering the house, speaking to the Barnes or even getting to meet to the dog, the warden came to the conclusion Lennox was a pitbull. ...


And, in fact, even the Council licensed Lennox as a 'bulldog'.

Worse still were reports today of concerned people being mocked with sheep noises and laughter by the council staff when they called up for information. Scumbags alright, but apt for the Council not the family who have behaved in a most dignified way. Some people in their part of the World would have fire bombed the Council building.
 
2012-07-11 11:55:43 AM  

mister aj: Strix occidentalis:
And of course, the council doesn't name their "expert".

If I recall, two independent animal behaviorists (one of them being Sarah Fisher, who's a pretty big deal in the animal world) assessed the dog as well-mannered.
You could read the court transcript. Nobody's been able to explain exactly why the council was hellbent on killing a perfectly safe dog, or why a vet was willing to perjure themselves over this, or why a court would be corrupted to accept a non-expert as an expert. What's the motive? Apply Occam.

And if two animal behaviorists really did say this, the owners scored a major own goal by not bringing them as witnesses into the court cases and appeals. Their case just doesn't add up.


They did. The court chose to believe the government's "expert" (who happened to be the compliance officer that took the dog away in the first place.)

The court also did not allow the DNA evidence to come in.

The woman "admitted" in court that the dog was a "pit bull type", under advice from her attorney that it would help in their cause to get the dog back.

Also, it's likely that the dog has actually been dead for a while. It's the only plausible reason behind the council's lack of willingness to allow them to see the dog before it died.
 
2012-07-11 12:02:50 PM  

Count_0: Couldn't have been Pitbull. He's on his way to Kodiak.


It's not the owners' fault then, they confused it for a black dog.
 
2012-07-11 12:07:03 PM  

number8:
They did. The court chose to believe the government's "expert" (who happened to be the compliance officer that took the dog away in the first place.)

The court also did not allow the DNA evidence to come in.

The woman "admitted" in court that the dog was a "pit bull type", under advice from her attorney that it would help in their cause to get the dog back.

So the judge *and* the owner's attorney are corrupt? Perhaps we should subpoena both of their birth certificates, that will help explain why they went to such lengths to murder an innocent dog for no reason whatsoever.
 
2012-07-11 12:22:46 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Pitbull owners are always the ones saying my dog won't do that till they bite. Useless breed own by useless owners


It's a bit too far to say all pit bulls have bad owners, but it is the breed du jour right now for bad owners.
 
2012-07-11 12:35:15 PM  
I say we imprison and execute the Belfast City Council for looking like IRA.
 
2012-07-11 01:01:58 PM  

mister aj: tetsoushima: mister aj: It's also quite hard to convince a court that your family and dog aren't tied up in gang violence when death threats and petrol bombs have been sent to council employees over the last couple of years.

I'm not disagreeing with you, I just need a source.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-18794360
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/family/pets/9391766/Lennox-the-dog-humanel y -put-to-sleep.html


Both sources basically quote the official press release verbatim. Nothing especially impartial there.

Try this one

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-irelan d /lennox-after-10-months-locked-up-judge-rules-dog-must-die-15130806.ht ml

I've also followed this case from the outset and have read numerous impartial press reports and can recall none where they mentioned any hard evidence to support the BCC warden's assertion over the behaviour and unpredictability of this dog, except for the opinion of the expert after they had already seized and locked up the dog without any contact to the people it knew as its pack.

It was reported that the expert claimed at one point that the dog almost ripped his hand off while trying to put it in a cage - what a surprise, so would my cocker spaniel if it was cornered and challenged in such a distressing situation! Strange though, no reports mention the severity of the attack or what treatment he had received. That would have made good news as well as good evidence for his assertion, if it had occurred.

I've worked with professional police dog trainers and can tell you that not one would carelessly handle a dog supposedly so dangerous. If he is such an expert, why was he taking such a risk with a dog that he judged 'unusual' and 'unpredictable'? Highly unlikely or highly unprofessional. Take your pick.

And I guess he must be the 'numerous experts' you mention in another post.

The real problem arising from this case is the intransigence of the BCC faced with a poor public image situation of their own making. What they brought before the Courts left the Courts with little choice but to find in their favour, but the BCC had other options including rehoming and retraining, both of which they ignored or claimed they could not apply.

They brought a storm of abuse and threats on themselves, some very serious that could very easily have been carried out in that part of the world, which is not to be excused. However, instead of looking for a solution that would see them perhaps back down a little, but would have won them countless friends all around the World, they insisted on stubbornly following their bureaucratic process. I think the quote at the end of the press release that they 'have been vindicated' says more about their need to 'be right' rather than 'do right'.

In one of the articles you quote, veterinary associations in Northern Ireland said the current legislation is wrong (in fact it is out of step and behind the rest of UK), so why did the BCC not see an opportunity, especially with the political backing of the First Minister, to do something about it as a result of this case?

The veterinary associations said "We feel that dogs should be assessed on their deeds rather than their breed and this is the root of the problem."

This clearly did not happen in this case. This dog was seized on the opinion of a warden and put to death on the opinion of an expert. Other than snarling and growling at the warden from inside its home, where were the deeds to back up the opinion about its unpredictable behaviour?
 
2012-07-11 01:05:12 PM  
My roomate had a pit. Sweet dog. Very friendly. But the damn thing wouldn't stop pissing on the carpet. It's what she did to get attention.
 
2012-07-11 01:32:18 PM  

bextraordinary: Dobermans, German Shepherds, Rotts


I remember separate media scares about all three of those breeds when I was young, and I think the German Shepard scare existed even before I was born. Very long lasting, but nowadays they're back to being a "family breed." I think the Pit Bull thing will die down, too, it just gives simple people a quick and easy thing to blame, since people are hard.

/Still sees lots of vicious large dogs when biking to work through the ghetto. Don't blame the breeds.
//The only one that inspires some visceral terror is the half-German Shepard, half-wolf that runs 100 ft up to the fence in seconds.
 
2012-07-11 01:59:50 PM  
This frightens me...

My dog is a fawn-colored mix (Boxer/Lab/Hound) who has been mistaken on several occasions for a pit bull because of his shorter nose and muscular stature, despite the fact that he doesn't have a single drop of pit in him. He barks at people when they walk onto my porch, but runs away in terror if they come inside.

I understand the issues with pit bulls. Sketchball neighbors own one and do not treat it right, thus is it a snarling/foaming at the mouth mess on the best of days. But seriously, do a DNA test on the dog for fark's sake!

/If someone took my puppeh away from me, there's no telling what criminal acts I would commit to get him back.
//Poor silly pup is even afraid of rubber bands...
 
2012-07-11 02:53:45 PM  
Christ, the family in question was willing to have their dog sent all the way to another country. The dog had never bitten or attacked anyone. The Belfast City Council must have hearts of stone.

Also, I can't think of any other laws against illegally owning animals that mandate that the illegal animal is to be put down. Why not just pass an ordinance mandating that all pit bull-type dogs must be spayed or neutered, under threat of heavy fine? Most dog attacks are by unneutered males anyway, and then you wouldn't have situations where you're killing someone's beloved pet because it looks like the wrong breed.
 
2012-07-11 03:26:50 PM  

bextraordinary: I don't know. It scares me. We have an American Bulldog and I can barely walk him through our city neighborhood without someone asking me if he's a pit bull, asking me if they can buy him, or asking me if he'd fight their dog. What the fark? This is the same dog we had temperament-tested (just for lulz) and he HID BEHIND ME when the tester pretended to come at us waving a stick. Some big damn hero.


WTF? He's got puppy dog eyes and a bit of a fraidy-cat cringe. Why would anyone want to fight a guy like that? And it amazes me what people think might be pit bulls.

I kind of wonder if you might be right, given the sheer amount of ignorance around the topic and the fact that most people only see "pit bulls" (which might be an unrelated breed) on the media, whereas everyone knows at least a few people with the other scary breeds that are actually nice and mellow. It could be a self-perpetuating problem, as low-class breeders are breeding for aggressiveness and other personality problems and normal people are buying less of the mellow ones. It might destroy the breed even without the bans.

Wasn't Pete the Pup, the best loved dog in America before Lassie, a pit bull?

Need_MindBleach: Also, I can't think of any other laws against illegally owning animals that mandate that the illegal animal is to be put down.


A lot of wild animal bans actually come with that stipulation, if you can't find a zoo to take it. They figure that once you half-domesticate it, it's lost all fear of humans and therefore becomes much more dangerous. But on a domesticated dog, it's completely asinine. Use the animal abuse code if they're abusing it, don't ban a farking breed.

Need_MindBleach: Why not just pass an ordinance mandating that all pit bull-type dogs must be spayed or neutered, under threat of heavy fine? Most dog attacks are by unneutered males anyway, and then you wouldn't have situations where you're killing someone's beloved pet because it looks like the wrong breed.


This is a good idea, since most of the trash that loves attack dogs also tries to breed them for the money once they win a few rounds. It won't stop the underground fighting, but it might put a financial hit on it.
 
2012-07-11 03:44:06 PM  
This dog was not a pit bull and had never shown any signs of aggression. Victoria Stillwell, a trainer who specializes in dogs with behavior problems and had the show "It's Me Or The Dog," offered to adopt the dog and take it to the U.S.
 
2012-07-11 03:55:08 PM  

LemSkroob: My problem isn't with the pitbulls. Its with the owners. Why is it that pitbulls always seem to have a raging douchbag for an owner? Is that the *only* dog that douchebags are allowed to buy?

When you pick-up your pitbull puppy, do you also get issued a free wife-beater, a gold chain, and a coupon for a free arm-sleeve at the local tattoo parlor?


It's a bad cycle. News reports and ignorant people screech about pit bulls being vicious and aggressive. That makes the dog attractive to irresponsible owners. The irresponsible owner does not neuter the dog, does not socialize the dog and ties the dog up in the yard, all things that increase the likelihood that the dog will bite someone. Then there's another hysterical scare story in the news, ignorant people believe the idiocy and the dog is even more attractive to irresponsible owners. Repeat ad nauseam.

I know lots of non-douchbags with pit bulls (I'm one of them) but I live in Austin where people seem well educated about pit bulls. When I take my dog out, there's a constant stream of people who want to pet her and tell me how beautiful she is.

Here is Austin we have a group called The Pit Crew, it's an all pit therapy dog group.
 
2012-07-11 04:00:55 PM  

Need_MindBleach: Christ, the family in question was willing to have their dog sent all the way to another country. The dog had never bitten or attacked anyone. The Belfast City Council must have hearts of stone.

Also, I can't think of any other laws against illegally owning animals that mandate that the illegal animal is to be put down. Why not just pass an ordinance mandating that all pit bull-type dogs must be spayed or neutered, under threat of heavy fine? Most dog attacks are by unneutered males anyway, and then you wouldn't have situations where you're killing someone's beloved pet because it looks like the wrong breed.


Just an FYI, mandatory spay/neuter laws increase killing in shelters. Resources get diverted to inforcement, people don't pay the fine or get the dog fixed and the dog gets confiscated and taken to the shelter. Also, the majority of people who don't have their dog fixed can't afford it. There's more detailed info, with references, here.
 
2012-07-11 04:02:15 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Pitbull owners are always the ones saying my dog won't do that till they bite. Useless breed own by useless owners


The dog in this story did not bite anyone.
 
2012-07-11 04:10:11 PM  

buffalosoldier: LemSkroob: My problem isn't with the pitbulls. Its with the owners. Why is it that pitbulls always seem to have a raging douchbag for an owner? Is that the *only* dog that douchebags are allowed to buy?

When you pick-up your pitbull puppy, do you also get issued a free wife-beater, a gold chain, and a coupon for a free arm-sleeve at the local tattoo parlor?

You mean like Helen Keller, Jon Stewart, Teddy Roosevelt and Rachel Ray?


You mean like Jessical Alba, Jessica Biel, Alicia Silverstone, Mo Vaughn, Orlando Bloom, Usher, Shaq, Brad Pitt, David Spade, Barbara Eden, Serena Williams?
 
2012-07-11 05:14:04 PM  

bextraordinary: foxyshadis: bextraordinary: Dobermans, German Shepherds, Rotts

I remember separate media scares about all three of those breeds when I was young, and I think the German Shepard scare existed even before I was born. Very long lasting, but nowadays they're back to being a "family breed." I think the Pit Bull thing will die down, too, it just gives simple people a quick and easy thing to blame, since people are hard.

/Still sees lots of vicious large dogs when biking to work through the ghetto. Don't blame the breeds.
//The only one that inspires some visceral terror is the half-German Shepard, half-wolf that runs 100 ft up to the fence in seconds.

Ugh, people and their damn wolf-dogs. They scare me, too.

I know that different breeds have had their time in the media as "MONSTER KILLER DOGS" over the years, but what worries me with the pit bull is the strength of the panic. I remember when Dobermans were the Big Bads, and then the Bull Terrier (the egg-head dog). But I don't remember similar campaigns to wipe out these breeds the way people are trying to do with pit bulls. I would love someone to prove me wrong, but I don't ever remember a campaign to ban German Shepherds, to destroy Dobermans that had done nothing wrong, etc. Maybe we were just more rational as a society back then and realized that it was the people and not the dogs. Pit bulls are really farked in so many ways because the whole issue surrounding them is tied up with other issues of racism and classism, machismo and a way for disadvantaged people to compete with and display their "possessions."

I don't know. It scares me. We have an American Bulldog and I can barely walk him through our city neighborhood without someone asking me if he's a pit bull, asking me if they can buy him, or asking me if he'd fight their dog. What the fark? This is the same dog we had temperament-tested (just for lulz) and he HID BEHIND ME when the tester pretended to come at us waving a stick. Some big damn hero.

[lh3.goo ...


Same problem with my American bull - although nobody has asked if she'd fight their dog. I'd probably punch them in the face if they asked me that. Sometimes its like Moses parting the sea with people trying to get out of the way when you take her in public.

I'm not a scary guy - i'm a big dude, but far from scary. Hell, I had to grow a goatee to hide my babyface (didn't work). Our american bull has a pink collar, pink leash, and tail wagging so hard it'd put a dent in a car. She's the biggest sweetheart of a dog that I have ever owned.

I took her to a car show with me once - walking down the isle of cars, a lady grabbed her child by the arm and jerked him across the isle to get away from me and my dog - i heard her muttering "i can't believe he'd bring a pit bull, there are children here".

biatch you just hurt your child more by yanking him across the isle than my dog ever would.

How could you be afraid of this sweet thing?
img.photobucket.com

Watch out - she's a killer
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-11 05:59:30 PM  

JMel: bextraordinary: foxyshadis: bextraordinary: Dobermans, German Shepherds, Rotts

I remember separate media scares about all three of those breeds when I was young, and I think the German Shepard scare existed even before I was born. Very long lasting, but nowadays they're back to being a "family breed." I think the Pit Bull thing will die down, too, it just gives simple people a quick and easy thing to blame, since people are hard.

/Still sees lots of vicious large dogs when biking to work through the ghetto. Don't blame the breeds.
//The only one that inspires some visceral terror is the half-German Shepard, half-wolf that runs 100 ft up to the fence in seconds.

Ugh, people and their damn wolf-dogs. They scare me, too.

I know that different breeds have had their time in the media as "MONSTER KILLER DOGS" over the years, but what worries me with the pit bull is the strength of the panic. I remember when Dobermans were the Big Bads, and then the Bull Terrier (the egg-head dog). But I don't remember similar campaigns to wipe out these breeds the way people are trying to do with pit bulls. I would love someone to prove me wrong, but I don't ever remember a campaign to ban German Shepherds, to destroy Dobermans that had done nothing wrong, etc. Maybe we were just more rational as a society back then and realized that it was the people and not the dogs. Pit bulls are really farked in so many ways because the whole issue surrounding them is tied up with other issues of racism and classism, machismo and a way for disadvantaged people to compete with and display their "possessions."

I don't know. It scares me. We have an American Bulldog and I can barely walk him through our city neighborhood without someone asking me if he's a pit bull, asking me if they can buy him, or asking me if he'd fight their dog. What the fark? This is the same dog we had temperament-tested (just for lulz) and he HID BEHIND ME when the tester pretended to come at us waving a stick. Some big damn ...


Same thing happened to me! I had my boy with me while visiting a pet store (I actually worked at the store, but was there shopping on my day off). He was sitting quietly at my side while I browsed some small animal stuff and a little boy was looking at the guinea pigs with his mom right next to us. She looked up, saw the little boy next to my dog, and YANKED him away in a panic. My dog didn't even blink, let alone look at them, just kept panting with his herp-a-derp face. Shocked, I said "It's okay, he's totally friendly" and she stammered out "They terrify me" and scurried off.

Not sure who I felt worse for, the kid or my dog, who would've loved to meet a new friend.
 
2012-07-11 06:20:09 PM  
Evil Roy who?

ferdyonfilms.com
 
2012-07-11 06:26:14 PM  

edmo: Evil Roy who?

[ferdyonfilms.com image 499x499]


thank you very much, edmo... I was so hoping someone else's brain went there!
 
2012-07-11 10:44:01 PM  
Pitbulls are a banned breed in the UK. If you're stupid enough to buy and own a lookalike, don't be surprised if the authorities seize it and aren't inclined to split hairs about whether it is a pitbull or merely resembles one.
 
2012-07-12 04:23:55 AM  

mister aj: Monkeyfark Ridiculous:
mister aj: The Dangerous Dogs Act requires that a dog is of a certain breed, *and* has been proven to be dangerous before it can be proven to put down.

According to the council website that I quoted earlier, the dog is presumed dangerous if it is of a certain type (not breed), and it is presumed by the court to be a dangerous type if the prosecution says it is. No "proven" about it.
I'd suggest reading the legislation. Further: "The Council's expert described the dog as one of the most unpredictable and dangerous dogs he had come across."

That quote is about the specific dog, not the breed. But it's highly likely that a vet would perjure themselves, to go along with a sinister anti-Lennox conspiracy with no discernable motive!


Lennox was only found to be "dangerous" and "unpredictable" after having been removed from his familiar home away from his family and placed in a dog pound for months/years. No one bothered to observe him when he was still at home.

I bet if "The Man" hauled your arse to jail for no reason and left you there, you'd act pretty beligerantly to the cops and guards there too.

The only "dangerous" behavior that Lennox showed was barking at strangers: he did what dogs do.

There was absolutely no reason to kill this dog! Several renowned animal behaviorists, including Victoria Stillwell and Cesar Milan, offered to adopt him at their own expense. Belfast city council said no. It wasn't about the dog or about public safety at that point, it was about showing people who's the boss in that town.

Arseholes.

/I have a friend who owns 3 rescued pitbulls. Every time I visit, those dogs try to lick me to death! They're the sweetest dogs ever.
 
2012-07-12 04:27:19 AM  
Oh, and the "expert" who evaluated Lennox wasn't a vet or an animal behaviorist. It was the senior dog-handler from the police's K9 unit.
 
2012-07-12 11:57:28 AM  
Lennox is gone.

dingo.care2.com

RIP Lennox.

Link
 
2012-07-12 02:27:22 PM  

foxyshadis: I remember separate media scares about all three of those breeds when I was young, and I think the German Shepard scare existed even before I was born. Very long lasting, but nowadays they're back to being a "family breed." I think the Pit Bull thing will die down, too, it just gives simple people a quick and easy thing to blame, since people are hard.


That's because the bad owners were into German Shepards back them. Now they're into pit bulls, they'll find something else to be into eventually.
 
Displayed 48 of 98 comments


Oldest | « | 1 | 2 | » | Newest | Show all


View Voting Results: Smartest and Funniest

This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »
On Twitter





Top Commented
Javascript is required to view headlines in widget.

In Other Media
  1. Links are submitted by members of the Fark community.

  2. When community members submit a link, they also write a custom headline for the story.

  3. Other Farkers comment on the links. This is the number of comments. Click here to read them.

  4. Click here to submit a link.

Report