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(Some Guy)   Now that Egypt has a new government, what's the first order of business? Destroy the pyramids   (global.christianpost.com) divider line 289
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2012-07-11 12:13:38 PM

KellyX: 4. Frankly if they start to do anything, they need to be protected... If that means jets attacking convoys, fark it... Do it... Getting so sick of these fanatics!


Yea, I'm no fan of ground-war, but drones are relatively cheap, safe (for us), and essentially invulnerable to a bunch of guys waving Kalashnikovs. Could just maintain an essentially permanent rain of bombs on any fanatics that try something like this -- would be a minor line item in the budget as long as we don't send in anyone on the ground.
 
2012-07-11 12:19:02 PM

ThrobblefootSpectre: cuzsis: So...according to the article they destroyed what was one of their own historical sites? WTF?

Would it surprise you to learn that muslims killing other muslims is the most common cause of violent death for muslims? Heck in Iraq alone, the Sunni government is estimated to have slaughtered upwards of 100,000 Shia.

But yes, I know it grabs far more headlines if Israel kills one Palestinian.


When uncivilized countries behave in an uncivilized way, it shocks nobody.
It is far more unusual to find apartheid & military territorial-expansionism being practiced by a civilized Western-style democracy.
 
2012-07-11 12:28:21 PM

mitchcumstein1: Oh for fark's sake, they aren't going to blow up the farking pyramids. Egypt needs the tourism to function as a country. If you have nothing but a farking desert to come see, you're not going to get a lot of tourists.


Very logical thought process you have.

/Muslims are well known for thinking logically.
 
2012-07-11 12:32:08 PM

Weaver95: seriously - how would you even go about TRYING to destroy those things? we're talking about a couple of piles of VERY large rocks. And that's just the pyramids themselves. that's not including what's in the valley of kings or the Sphinx, which is another great huge pile of stone.


You'd probably have to nuke the site from orbit, just to be sure.
 
2012-07-11 12:36:30 PM
Haven't the Pyramids been up long enough? Sure, if the guy next door keeps his Christmas lights up 'til February, you are up in arms. But, those decrepit eyesores in Egypt that have been up for thousands of years need to stay put. Hypocrites!
 
2012-07-11 12:40:22 PM

jshine: Yea, I'm no fan of ground-war, but drones are relatively cheap, safe (for us), and essentially invulnerable to a bunch of guys waving Kalashnikovs. Could just maintain an essentially permanent rain of bombs on any fanatics that try something like this -- would be a minor line item in the budget as long as we don't send in anyone on the ground.



FFS, have drone strikes done anything good for the world's perception of America yet? Are we so eager to have another country seeing the U.S. as a terrorist state that violates their sovereignty and meddles in their internal affairs by dropping bombs on civilians from the safety of our armchairs? Do we want to give the mullahs further 'evidence' of an American war on Muslims?

And by the way, the government of Egypt is not a "bunch of guys waving Kalashnikovs" - they're a reasonably modern state with an Air Force and air defenses. Our drones can only fly where we completely control the skies. Do you propose the complete destruction of all Egyptian aircraft and anti-aircraft sites so that our drones can bomb Egyptian troops in order to protect monuments that belong to the Egyptians in the first place?

That "well we won't have boots on the ground so A-OK" justification is complete bullshiat in terms of how the world would judge us.
 
2012-07-11 12:45:46 PM

JustGetItRight: Weaver95: seriously - how would you even go about TRYING to destroy those things? we're talking about a couple of piles of VERY large rocks. And that's just the pyramids themselves. that's not including what's in the valley of kings or the Sphinx, which is another great huge pile of stone.

This can't be a serious question. Modern explosives would make very short work of them.



I'm not really sure that I believe that. Look at the flakturm. A fraction of the mass of the pyramids, and still essentially indestructible by explosive.

All of the tunnels within the pyramids are very low down in the structure - the explosions would need to 'lift' nearly the entire mass of the pyramids in order to move anything.

I really believe that they'd need to be disassembled, piece by piece.
 
2012-07-11 12:50:42 PM

jshine: ThrobblefootSpectre: cuzsis: So...according to the article they destroyed what was one of their own historical sites? WTF?

Would it surprise you to learn that muslims killing other muslims is the most common cause of violent death for muslims? Heck in Iraq alone, the Sunni government is estimated to have slaughtered upwards of 100,000 Shia.

But yes, I know it grabs far more headlines if Israel kills one Palestinian.

When uncivilized countries behave in an uncivilized way, it shocks nobody.
It is far more unusual to find apartheid & military territorial-expansionism self defense vs a death cult being practiced by a civilized Western-style democracy.


FTFY
 
2012-07-11 12:57:15 PM

libranoelrose: [i.imgur.com image 640x435]


how is that NSFW? She's gorgeous. Who is she?
 
2012-07-11 01:10:17 PM
I have seen many have questioned the source, so here is an editorial from The Washington Times about this.
 
2012-07-11 01:13:44 PM

danno_to_infinity: libranoelrose: [i.imgur.com image 640x435]

how is that NSFW? She's gorgeous. Who is she?


Whar foobies, whar?
 
2012-07-11 01:27:57 PM
david_gaithersburg: You should check out where the mountains used to be in the Appalachian mountain range. Aliens or modern technology has done an excellent job of removing many of the mountains along the ragne. modern te

What is this thing called modern engineering, and why hasn't anyone on Fark ever heard of it?


The question here isn't if modern technology can destroy the pyramids (nuke it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure).

The question in my mind is, just how much equipment does Egypt have to spare for this task? It's not a one shot, let's tear it down on a weekend thing (like the statues that the taliban destroyed), it's going to take a continual effort.

BUT

What I was really getting at is, if they did want to destroy them fast, how much conventional explosives would they need? Sounds like a job for the Mythbusters. "How much TNT would it take to obliterate the great pyramid?"
 
2012-07-11 01:29:00 PM
And the Egyptians antiquity autority requested all of the ancient Egyptians artifacts to be repatriated to Egypt. All of this will be destroyed too? I dont beleive it, its DERP.

Herpy derp derp
 
2012-07-11 01:35:54 PM

BigNumber12: jshine: Yea, I'm no fan of ground-war, but drones are relatively cheap, safe (for us), and essentially invulnerable to a bunch of guys waving Kalashnikovs. Could just maintain an essentially permanent rain of bombs on any fanatics that try something like this -- would be a minor line item in the budget as long as we don't send in anyone on the ground.


FFS, have drone strikes done anything good for the world's perception of America yet? Are we so eager to have another country seeing the U.S. as a terrorist state that violates their sovereignty and meddles in their internal affairs by dropping bombs on civilians from the safety of our armchairs? Do we want to give the mullahs further 'evidence' of an American war on Muslims?

And by the way, the government of Egypt is not a "bunch of guys waving Kalashnikovs" - they're a reasonably modern state with an Air Force and air defenses. Our drones can only fly where we completely control the skies. Do you propose the complete destruction of all Egyptian aircraft and anti-aircraft sites so that our drones can bomb Egyptian troops in order to protect monuments that belong to the Egyptians in the first place?

That "well we won't have boots on the ground so A-OK" justification is complete bullshiat in terms of how the world would judge us.



Bombs from the sky can destroy bad things/people that we don't like. That's not likely to change. As long as its cheap enough to sustain, it's not important to shoot for any kind of permanent "victory" -- which is likely impossible anyway. ...a low-level continuous suppression may be the best outcome to be hoped for in that part of the world. Nation-building would take decades, $trillions, and have only a marginal chance of success anyway.

Whether we use drones or stick a pilot in the plane and call it a bomber is really beside the point. If putting some guy in the plane (or using a cruise missile, which is basically a disposable drone) makes things "A-OK", then I'm still willing to support those too. Any of those options is cheaper than a real war.
 
2012-07-11 02:21:20 PM

Jamdug!: Is CP like Christian Science Monitor? This can't be a reliable source.


I don't think it is, if by "reliable" you mean "accurate". If you mean "consistent", then yes.

Much of the language used about Islam in the article is clearly biased against. All the "Muslims have no country, no secular history, no loyalty to anything but Islam" stuff seems like the source wants us to not like the evil Musselmen. I recall something similar about a law allowing men to sex up their dead wives, a law which turned out to be a propaganda claim and total bullshiat.

OTOH, they could be taking a page from the US Republican playbook, threatening something odious and horrible unless they get massive concessions. Politics, much like the Diplocaudus, stinks no matter which way you approach it.
 
2012-07-11 02:28:06 PM

MythDragon: Weaver95: seriously - how would you even go about TRYING to destroy those things? we're talking about a couple of piles of VERY large rocks. And that's just the pyramids themselves. that's not including what's in the valley of kings or the Sphinx, which is another great huge pile of stone.

[Armageddon screenshot]

"The plan is to drill down 800 feet, and detonate a nuclear bomb along the fault line"


As a clear indication early on that physics and logic were to play no part in that film, the asteroid was supposedly the size of Texas... but 800 feet ought to be enough.

/maybe if it was shaped like a football-field sized piece of aluminum foil...
 
2012-07-11 02:29:46 PM

BigNumber12: JustGetItRight: Weaver95: seriously - how would you even go about TRYING to destroy those things? we're talking about a couple of piles of VERY large rocks. And that's just the pyramids themselves. that's not including what's in the valley of kings or the Sphinx, which is another great huge pile of stone.

This can't be a serious question. Modern explosives would make very short work of them.


I'm not really sure that I believe that. Look at the flakturm. A fraction of the mass of the pyramids, and still essentially indestructible by explosive.

All of the tunnels within the pyramids are very low down in the structure - the explosions would need to 'lift' nearly the entire mass of the pyramids in order to move anything.

I really believe that they'd need to be disassembled, piece by piece.


They withstood artillery and common WWII GP bombs, but they were never attacked with munitions designed to penetrate fortified structures, nor were (to my knowledge) any attempts made to destroy them by controlled detonations after the war.

British bunker busters in WWII were successful in destroying sub pens thought to be impervious to bombing and capabilities have come a long, long way since that time.

They wouldn't completely destroy them, but I have no doubt they can be reduced to piles of rubble.
 
2012-07-11 02:52:36 PM

jshine: Bombs from the sky can destroy bad things/people that we don't like. That's not likely to change. As long as its cheap enough to sustain, it's not important to shoot for any kind of permanent "victory" -- which is likely impossible anyway. ...a low-level continuous suppression may be the best outcome to be hoped for in that part of the world. Nation-building would take decades, $trillions, and have only a marginal chance of success anyway.

Whether we use drones or stick a pilot in the plane and call it a bomber is really beside the point. If putting some guy in the plane (or using a cruise missile, which is basically a disposable drone) makes things "A-OK", then I'm still willing to support those too. Any of those options is cheaper than a real war.



You somehow missed my entire point.

1) I'm not talking about regime change at all. Even simply suppressing Egypt's ability to damage the Pyramids would require uncontested air supremacy, which would require destroying anything in the air or on the ground that could attack our aircraft. Attacking those elements is a declaration of war on a sovereign state.

2) The International Community would not support our declaration of war to protect some old stone buildings. FFS, they can't even justify airstrikes when Syria is murdering thousands of its own civilians.

3) An unprovoked attack on Egypt would give the Mullahs yet another example of a cowardly, unprovoked American attack on a Muslim nation, particularly soon after that nation democratically voted to dump much of its secular government. We'd be just begging for asymmetric retribution from most of the Muslim world.
 
2012-07-11 02:59:05 PM

BigNumber12: jshine: Bombs from the sky can destroy bad things/people that we don't like. That's not likely to change. As long as its cheap enough to sustain, it's not important to shoot for any kind of permanent "victory" -- which is likely impossible anyway. ...a low-level continuous suppression may be the best outcome to be hoped for in that part of the world. Nation-building would take decades, $trillions, and have only a marginal chance of success anyway.

Whether we use drones or stick a pilot in the plane and call it a bomber is really beside the point. If putting some guy in the plane (or using a cruise missile, which is basically a disposable drone) makes things "A-OK", then I'm still willing to support those too. Any of those options is cheaper than a real war.


You somehow missed my entire point.

1) I'm not talking about regime change at all. Even simply suppressing Egypt's ability to damage the Pyramids would require uncontested air supremacy, which would require destroying anything in the air or on the ground that could attack our aircraft. Attacking those elements is a declaration of war on a sovereign state.

2) The International Community would not support our declaration of war to protect some old stone buildings. FFS, they can't even justify airstrikes when Syria is murdering thousands of its own civilians.

3) An unprovoked attack on Egypt would give the Mullahs yet another example of a cowardly, unprovoked American attack on a Muslim nation, particularly soon after that nation democratically voted to dump much of its secular government. We'd be just begging for asymmetric retribution from most of the Muslim world.


When I made the original suggestion that Jshine started talking about, it was with a UN Mandate, not the US doing it on it's own.
 
2012-07-11 03:02:10 PM
Could I buy one? I think it would look great in my back yard.
 
2012-07-11 03:06:11 PM

JustGetItRight: They withstood artillery and common WWII GP bombs, but they were never attacked with munitions designed to penetrate fortified structures, nor were (to my knowledge) any attempts made to destroy them by controlled detonations after the war.


Some of them were partially demolished after the war, and even that took a phenomenal amount of effort. Austria in particular would love to completely demolish theirs, but the amount of explosives that they'd be required to even try would devastate surrounding neighborhoods. And those are hollow structures.

JustGetItRight: British bunker busters in WWII were successful in destroying sub pens thought to be impervious to bombing and capabilities have come a long, long way since that time.


WWII bunker busters worked in one of two ways:

1) Penetrate the hardened outer skin of a hollow structure and exploding within, destroying the actual equipment being protected.

2) Explode beside/beneath the hollow structure, causing it to "bridge" a void that it was never designed to do, causing it to buckle and collapse.

Neither of these applies to a pyramid - a (99%) solid mass of rock that covers an enormous surface area.

I suppose that their best bet might be to repeatedly undermine one corner or edge of the perimeter with bunker buster after bunker buster, creating a cavern that the corner would collapse into, but even then - the resulting collapse would be limited to one "diagonal" edge of the pyramid sliding down that face - partially "chamfering" the corner, so to speak.
 
2012-07-11 03:07:42 PM

KellyX: When I made the original suggestion that Jshine started talking about, it was with a UN Mandate, not the US doing it on it's own.



Hah, good luck getting that. We can't even get a limited one of those when Syria is massacring actual people by the thousands.
 
2012-07-11 03:08:27 PM

stuffy: Could I buy one? I think it would look great in my back yard.



Sure, they'll just need you to pick up the shipping charges.
 
2012-07-11 03:21:46 PM
Front Page makes the Daily Mail look like an impartial reference journal that sticks to the facts.
 
2012-07-11 03:39:30 PM

KellyX: 1. I don't know how reliable a Christian organization website is, they love to hyper-exaggerate a lot of shiat.

2. I don't put it past the hardcore Islamic group to do this, I'd cite examples of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and what's going on in Timbuktu as well.

3. If there is any truth to this, the UN needs to protect them (it's a world heritage site right?) and put some troops to protect them.

4. Frankly if they start to do anything, they need to be protected... If that means jets attacking convoys, fark it... Do it... Getting so sick of these fanatics!


I checked and I'm still checking to make sure.

It's a hoax!

Apparently it started here and the story spread like wildfire Link

Note that Frontpage magazine is short two knights for a crusade. Then the story got picked up by junk papers like this one Link

But it does appear that this was originally a hoax made from a parody Twitter account Link

I'm just hope that this doesn't cause some kind of cultural avalanche where the Egyptians are convinced that it might be a good idea to destroy the pyramids.
 
2012-07-11 05:17:16 PM

Izunbacol: Are you surprised? You do know that the Saudis have razed most of Mecca to prevent idolatry to ANCEIENT MUSLIM SITES, right?


Just to illustrate your point:

i560.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-11 05:17:31 PM

Molavian: danno_to_infinity: libranoelrose: [i.imgur.com image 640x435]

how is that NSFW? She's gorgeous. Who is she?

Whar foobies, whar?


This.
 
2012-07-11 05:23:28 PM

Weaver95: i'm not sure they CAN destroy those things. they're fricking huge.>

The Taliban are more than willing to help. They're experts at destroying ancient artifacts.

Hope Egypt doesn't end up that far gone.

 
2012-07-11 05:58:47 PM

Coelacanth: KellyX: 1. I don't know how reliable a Christian organization website is, they love to hyper-exaggerate a lot of shiat.

2. I don't put it past the hardcore Islamic group to do this, I'd cite examples of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and what's going on in Timbuktu as well.

3. If there is any truth to this, the UN needs to protect them (it's a world heritage site right?) and put some troops to protect them.

4. Frankly if they start to do anything, they need to be protected... If that means jets attacking convoys, fark it... Do it... Getting so sick of these fanatics!

I checked and I'm still checking to make sure.

It's a hoax!

Apparently it started here and the story spread like wildfire Link

Note that Frontpage magazine is short two knights for a crusade. Then the story got picked up by junk papers like this one Link

But it does appear that this was originally a hoax made from a parody Twitter account Link

I'm just hope that this doesn't cause some kind of cultural avalanche where the Egyptians are convinced that it might be a good idea to destroy the pyramids.


Sad part is it is believed so easily cause it has some truth mixed in... See Taliban
 
2012-07-11 10:48:59 PM
danno_to_infinity : how is that NSFW? She's gorgeous. Who is she?

Because she's a playboy playmate and that image probably came off of a site that she's on.

// throw it into the google image search
 
2012-07-11 10:57:33 PM

Coelacanth: KellyX: 1. I don't know how reliable a Christian organization website is, they love to hyper-exaggerate a lot of shiat.

2. I don't put it past the hardcore Islamic group to do this, I'd cite examples of the Taliban in Afghanistan, and what's going on in Timbuktu as well.

3. If there is any truth to this, the UN needs to protect them (it's a world heritage site right?) and put some troops to protect them.

4. Frankly if they start to do anything, they need to be protected... If that means jets attacking convoys, fark it... Do it... Getting so sick of these fanatics!

I checked and I'm still checking to make sure.

It's a hoax!

Apparently it started here and the story spread like wildfire Link

Note that Frontpage magazine is short two knights for a crusade. Then the story got picked up by junk papers like this one Link

But it does appear that this was originally a hoax made from a parody Twitter account Link

I'm just hope that this doesn't cause some kind of cultural avalanche where the Egyptians are convinced that it might be a good idea to destroy the pyramids.


The Washington Times ran with it... and the only people saying it's a hoax is the Egyptian Times...
 
2012-07-11 11:20:54 PM
Timbuktu Arabs set up armed watch at ancient tombs Link
 
2012-07-12 04:37:23 AM
These are stupid rumors started by the military in Egypt to discredit democracy and make everyone believe only "they" can control the country.

There have been countless rumors in the past, one of them being a "law" allowing sex with dead spouses.
 
2012-07-12 04:38:25 AM

phrawgh: /Muslims are well known for thinking logically.



They sure were when Europeans were nothing but murdering barbarians.

/black, gay, muslim, so little choices to hate that's acceptable these days
 
2012-07-12 10:21:47 AM
How much dynamite would it take to blow up a one-ton block of pyramid stone? Then multiply that by five million.

Random guesstimate: two kilos per ton.
That means a ten kiloton Hiroshima-style bomb installed at the core of a pyramid might be able to turn it into a shallow debris field.
 
2012-07-12 12:05:06 PM
1) They've done this sort of thing before.

2) They'll do this sort of thing again.

3) No western power in the world will lift a finger to stop them.
 
2012-07-12 01:45:03 PM

cmunic8r99: Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: Paris1127: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: tallguywithglasseson: Win.

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Oh, please... that Sphinx

Shostie: Well, ankh you special...

Paris1127: I Thoth so as well. Isis for real?

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'm sorry... that really wasn't pharaoh me

Shame on you all for derailing this conversation.

Tut, tut.

Well, now you're just in da Nile...

No, he's A Mon on a mission.

I'll give him a Ra Ra cheer of support.


I'd Hathor not encourage this...
 
2012-07-12 06:10:50 PM
If they are serious about this... I would support a coalition invasion of 2 million+ soldiers to protect the pyramids, establish a no fly zone, and if absolutely necessary, demolish parts, or even all of he city of Cairo to set up a buffer zone... Collapse and replace the government, and pretend like nothing ever happened...
 
2012-07-12 11:11:19 PM

Maul555: If they are serious about this... I would support a coalition invasion of 2 million+ soldiers to protect the pyramids, establish a no fly zone, and if absolutely necessary, demolish parts, or even all of he city of Cairo to set up a buffer zone... Collapse and replace the government, and pretend like nothing ever happened...


Give them to Israel... they did build them (I know they really didn't, most likely they built the City of Ramesses but most people believe they built the pyramids soo...)
 
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