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(Mashable)   Microsoft declares war on Apple saying they will not let any piece of hardware, software or cloud service go unchallenged. "Not on our watch", says Steve Ballmer ten years too late   (mashable.com) divider line 200
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2012-07-10 05:15:03 PM
Now that's some funny shiat.
 
2012-07-10 05:15:36 PM

Microsoft declares war on Apple saying they will not let any piece of hardware, software or cloud service go unchallenged.


This has to be satire (or 'tardedness) simply because of the word 'hardware'.
 
2012-07-10 05:15:42 PM
That's stupid. You don't compete on stuff that you can't complete on. That's just a way to lose money.
 
2012-07-10 05:15:47 PM
lh3.ggpht.com
 
2012-07-10 05:17:05 PM
It's never too late. Apple was on death's door when MS saved them and they started to revamp their products and image. MS doesn't even need saving, they have a profitable business and a large cash reserve and a number of huge markets that they lead by far in. So, no, it's not too late.
 
2012-07-10 05:17:10 PM
"Our cloud servers will block out the need for localized hardware"

"Then we shall blue screen in the shade"
 
2012-07-10 05:17:34 PM
That sounds like a Zunariffic idea.
 
2012-07-10 05:17:45 PM
weknowmemes.com
 
2012-07-10 05:19:56 PM
I dunno, seems like the right time to me. Apple mostly innovates in the court room now.
 
2012-07-10 05:20:12 PM
www.harrystone.net
 
2012-07-10 05:21:08 PM
In Bill Gates' book, I found it interesting that they came late to the browser wars because Gates thought the internet was a "flash in the pan" and not worth pursuing software to deal with it

True visionary, there. But, hey he's a great monopolist, so he's got that going for him.
 
2012-07-10 05:21:30 PM

Dejah: That sounds like a Zunariffic idea.


The Zune was a really good product backed by an awesome music subscription program(which is no longer as awesome as it was), it just didn't garner acceptance. Either way, it was a test bed for their phone OS and served its purpose
 
2012-07-10 05:21:53 PM

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier


"Our cloud servers will block out the need for localized hardware"

"Then we shall blue screen in the shade"


"This is madness!"

"This... is... ENCARTA!!"


Dumb dated joke is dumb and dated.
 
2012-07-10 05:21:54 PM

bhcompy: It's never too late. Apple was on death's door when MS saved them and they started to revamp their products and image. MS doesn't even need saving, they have a profitable business and a large cash reserve and a number of huge markets that they lead by far in. So, no, it's not too late.


Enough with your logic.

MICROSOFT MUST FAIL!

I seriously wonder, though... has there ever been another company that successful ($40 billion in the bank, makes $5 billion in profit every 90 days, has 1 billion products in use *right now*) that so many people said was going to fail? I mean, really, if Microsoft is going to fail, then the companies that the rest of us work for are farked.
 
2012-07-10 05:22:47 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I dunno, seems like the right time to me. Apple mostly innovates in the court room now.


I wish I had thought of it.
 
2012-07-10 05:23:12 PM
Microsoft never saw an idea it couldn't rip off.
 
2012-07-10 05:23:24 PM
I love what we've got going on with the Surface [said Ballmer]

Translation: there are major f*king problems right now with the Surface.
 
2012-07-10 05:23:24 PM

bhcompy: MS doesn't even need saving, they have a profitable business and a large cash reserve and a number of huge markets that they lead by far in.


The only thing they really have is the cash. With Windows 8, MS is claiming that the PC - the very thing they owe their success to - is dead and betting their entire future on mobile computing, a market they do not dominate.
 
2012-07-10 05:23:28 PM
ORLY?
www3.pcmag.com
Balmer, you're full of it.
 
2012-07-10 05:23:43 PM
No, they are thirty years too late, and Apple is twenty years late to the mainframe game.

Also acceptable is both being late to being competitors to Compuserve for selling something very walled off.
 
2012-07-10 05:24:09 PM

bhcompy: It's never too late. Apple was on death's door when MS saved them and they started to revamp their products and image. MS doesn't even need saving, they have a profitable business and a large cash reserve and a number of huge markets that they lead by far in. So, no, it's not too late.


While it's never too late, MS has a deeply flawed strategy which will never pay off: last to innovate, first to profit. Specifically, they let their competitors come up with new products, spend all the R&D (or in other words, assume all the risk), and then MS will swoop in with their version of the new product and profit.

But it never works that way. By the time they develop their product (smart phone, search engine, tablet, etc.), they're so far behind their competitors that they cannot catch-up.

If Ballmer wants to beat Apple, then MS needs to adapt a "first to innovate" mantra. They need to start taking risks and coming up with new products rather than copying everyone else.
 
2012-07-10 05:24:23 PM

bhcompy: Dejah: That sounds like a Zunariffic idea.

The Zune was a really good product backed by an awesome music subscription program(which is no longer as awesome as it was), it just didn't garner acceptance. Either way, it was a test bed for their phone OS and served its purpose


So the Windows Phone will be just as horribly accepted as the Zune was? What will they call a Windows Phone (assuming they will manufacture the hardware themselves)? The Zone? The Phune?
 
2012-07-10 05:25:01 PM

Englebert Slaptyback: Microsoft declares war on Apple saying they will not let any piece of hardware, software or cloud service go unchallenged.


This has to be satire (or 'tardedness) simply because of the word 'hardware'.


MS's hardware divisions are pretty limited, but they're there. Phones, portable devices and the game consoles. They don't do PCs or full laptops, really, but they do do a lot of peripherals- keyboard, mouse, and so on.

Admittedly, as with Apple, we're talking about assembling devices here for the most part, not actually building the equipment. MS doesn't have any wafer fabs around, for instance, they just order completed processors and ram and boards and stick 'em together with minimal customization on the order, same way Apple does.
 
2012-07-10 05:25:42 PM

Jacobin: In Bill Gates' book, I found it interesting that they came late to the browser wars because Gates thought the internet was a "flash in the pan" and not worth pursuing software to deal with it.


And it may yet be, if Apple has its way. They want to drive all their bandwidth through apps and not the browser.
 
2012-07-10 05:25:55 PM

Marine1: I seriously wonder, though... has there ever been another company that successful ($40 billion in the bank, makes $5 billion in profit every 90 days, has 1 billion products in use *right now*) that so many people said was going to fail? I mean, really, if Microsoft is going to fail, then the companies that the rest of us work for are farked.


Fail as in go out of business? Hell no. I think they're going to end up like IBM, doing nothing of any significance as far as the PC business. But IBM still made 25 billion last year.
 
2012-07-10 05:26:14 PM
As a linux user I am laughing my ass off at both sides

/liked the Zune
//iTouch are nice once jailbroken
///I don't pick sides. I just pick out good bits people tend to ignore
 
2012-07-10 05:26:46 PM

Marine1: I seriously wonder, though... has there ever been another company that successful ($40 billion in the bank, makes $5 billion in profit every 90 days, has 1 billion products in use *right now*) that so many people said was going to fail? I mean, really, if Microsoft is going to fail, then the companies that the rest of us work for are farked.


Meh. I remember when people said the same thing about IBM.

"Who's going to produce our typewriters now?!"
 
2012-07-10 05:27:14 PM
Microsoft has embraced an end-to-end

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-10 05:28:28 PM

HotWingConspiracy: I dunno, seems like the right time to me. Apple mostly innovates in the court room now.


And they're losing most of those innovations lately, too.
 
2012-07-10 05:29:03 PM

ImpendingCynic: bhcompy: MS doesn't even need saving, they have a profitable business and a large cash reserve and a number of huge markets that they lead by far in.

The only thing they really have is the cash. With Windows 8, MS is claiming that the PC - the very thing they owe their success to - is dead and betting their entire future on mobile computing, a market they do not dominate.


I hate the direction they're going with in Windows 8, but I think it may be a big hit for them. It looks great and will be fun to play with in the store, so they'll sucker in lots of buyers. And the UI is consistent across a ton of devices so they could create a really winning ecosystem that runs everywhere and unifies all of the users' data.
 
2012-07-10 05:29:10 PM

thornhill: bhcompy: It's never too late. Apple was on death's door when MS saved them and they started to revamp their products and image. MS doesn't even need saving, they have a profitable business and a large cash reserve and a number of huge markets that they lead by far in. So, no, it's not too late.

While it's never too late, MS has a deeply flawed strategy which will never pay off: last to innovate, first to profit. Specifically, they let their competitors come up with new products, spend all the R&D (or in other words, assume all the risk), and then MS will swoop in with their version of the new product and profit.

But it never works that way. By the time they develop their product (smart phone, search engine, tablet, etc.), they're so far behind their competitors that they cannot catch-up.

If Ballmer wants to beat Apple, then MS needs to adapt a "first to innovate" mantra. They need to start taking risks and coming up with new products rather than copying everyone else.


This whole post is the most ironic thing ever stated anywhere.
 
2012-07-10 05:30:49 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-07-10 05:32:49 PM

bhcompy: If Ballmer wants to beat Apple, then MS needs to adapt a "first to innovate" mantra. They need to start taking risks and coming up with new products rather than copying everyone else.

This whole post is the most ironic thing ever stated anywhere.


Is that so? Why is that whole post the most ironic thing ever stated anywhere. Provide plenty of examples.
 
2012-07-10 05:32:55 PM
If there's one thing, in my opinion so take it with a grain of salt, MS has going for them, is the gaming community.

Sure, it doesn't give them the giant revenue that one might think, but most games run exclusively on Windows (although many are being imported to the Mac these days), and then there's the Xbox.
 
2012-07-10 05:33:02 PM
So now it's official; all MS ever does is play catch-up to Apple.
 
2012-07-10 05:33:17 PM

fusillade762: Microsoft has embraced an end-to-end...


Jennifer Connally frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2012-07-10 05:34:13 PM
"We are trying to make absolutely clear we are not going to leave any space uncovered to Apple," Ballmer told CRN following the Worldwide Partner Conference in Toronto on Monday. "We are not. No space uncovered that is Apple's."

Stupid. Is Apple trying to leave no Microsoft space uncovered? Are they trying to make serious inroads into businesses via servers or middleware/backend apps? No. If business users are starting to use Apple products, it's not because of Apple selling to these people, it's because these products are good enough that users are willing to overlook any inconveniences/flaws these devices might have with relation to "synching up" (for lack of a better term) with their business environment.

Microsoft doesn't gain anything by half-assing it in every field they can and hoping that 20 years of momentum or habit will win the day for them. Windows 8 is the perfect example of this. It's a tablet OS, but it's a desktop OS, and it's a mobile OS, and in the end it's just going to be a big pile of shiat. And they're going to end up taking a crap on Windows 7 in the process, an OS that's good enough it could have had an XP-like run on business and home PC's. Hell it probably still will despite Microsoft's best efforts. Is there really anyone out there that's looking forward to using Windows 8 on a desktop?

Dammit Microsoft, stop trying to play catch-up to Apple.
 
2012-07-10 05:34:28 PM
Can you program and run a compiler on an iPad? Edit Autodesk files? Connect it to a USB keyboard?

Then there's a long ways between a Latitude ST Win7 Tablet and an iPad. Apple has not caught up.
 
2012-07-10 05:35:06 PM

ImpendingCynic: The only thing they really have is the cash. With Windows 8, MS is claiming that the PC - the very thing they owe their success to - is dead


They aren't claiming the PC is dead(which it isn't), they are trying to go after a new form factor market.

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Meh. I remember when people said the same thing about IBM.

"Who's going to produce our typewriters now?!"


Right, because IBM is circling the drain now... *rolls eyes*
 
2012-07-10 05:38:10 PM
Except I bet he didn't say it. Apple presentations, cool, suave, enticing. Anything Ballmer announces, a bald chubby man having to shout instead of talk, instantly rendering his launch a flop. I bet he did his usualy shout routine and sweated a lot.
 
2012-07-10 05:38:18 PM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: bhcompy: If Ballmer wants to beat Apple, then MS needs to adapt a "first to innovate" mantra. They need to start taking risks and coming up with new products rather than copying everyone else.

This whole post is the most ironic thing ever stated anywhere.

Is that so? Why is that whole post the most ironic thing ever stated anywhere. Provide plenty of examples.


Just tell me, where was Apple the first to innovate?
 
2012-07-10 05:38:29 PM

bhcompy: It's never too late. Apple was on death's door when MS saved them and they started to revamp their products and image.


MS did what? Saved Apple ...?

...And how did they do that?

(Apple was in trouble at the time, no denying that)

MS doesn't even need saving, they have a profitable business and a large cash reserve and a number of huge markets that they lead by far in. So, no, it's not too late.

MS needs saving. They have no vision, nothing going on that interests anybody, and the best tactic they can come up with is to imitate Apple.
 
2012-07-10 05:39:11 PM

wildcardjack: Can you program and run a compiler on an iPad? Edit Autodesk files? Connect it to a USB keyboard?

Then there's a long ways between a Latitude ST Win7 Tablet and an iPad. Apple has not caught up.


But can your Latitude ST Win7 Tablet impress the women you lure back to your cave?
 
2012-07-10 05:40:13 PM

CygnusDarius: If there's one thing, in my opinion so take it with a grain of salt, MS has going for them, is the gaming community.

Sure, it doesn't give them the giant revenue that one might think, but most games run exclusively on Windows (although many are being imported to the Mac these days), and then there's the Xbox.


I agree with ya. The problem I see is that games that run on DX9/10 may not play on windows 8* thus killing off a big chunk of thier market.

/*I know, citation needed, but I am posting this from my phone and can not find the review of the windows 8 beta I am talking about
 
2012-07-10 05:41:47 PM

Jim_Callahan: Admittedly, as with Apple, we're talking about assembling devices here for the most part, not actually building the equipment.


Apple does a colossal amount of design and process engineering to make its hardware. Their stuff isn't awesome because they accidentally grabbed the right parts out of a bin.

As for Microsoft, I have high hopes. Innovation is cultural. The Kinect, the Surface, and XBox Live are some great examples of Microsoft as innovation leader. That sort of creativity and enthusiasm can spread within an organization and have some impact, but it will take years before they have the process in place to do great new things regularly and from disparate parts of their business.
 
2012-07-10 05:42:56 PM

beer4breakfast: Right, because IBM is circling the drain now... *rolls eyes*


I didn't say they were.

I did, however, live in Kingston, NY both before and after IBM's partial collapse circa 1994. It would have been more merciful if a nuclear bomb went off in that poor city.

Sleep tight, Seattle.
 
2012-07-10 05:47:29 PM

bhcompy: It's never too late. Apple was on death's door when MS saved them and they started to revamp their products and image. MS doesn't even need saving, they have a profitable business and a large cash reserve and a number of huge markets that they lead by far in. So, no, it's not too late.


well if we're going to use Apple's recovery method on Microsoft...

step 1: fire Ballmer and bring back Gates
step 2: stop making zunes/surfaces/whatever other nonsense
step 3: focus on making your core product (windows) hip and popular
 
2012-07-10 05:51:15 PM

wildcardjack: Can you program and run a compiler on an iPad?


Codea

Edit Autodesk files?

AutoCAD WS (bad reviews though)

Connect it to a USB keyboard?

IPad Camera Connection Kit Connects Other Things, Too

Then there's a long ways between a Latitude ST Win7 Tablet and an iPad. Apple has not caught up.

Caught up to what? Apple is making the tablet they want to make, not the tablet you want them to make.
 
2012-07-10 05:52:18 PM

bhcompy: The Zune was a really good product backed by an awesome music subscription program(which is no longer as awesome as it was), it just didn't garner acceptance. Either way, it was a test bed for their phone OS and served its purpose


"It was a success except for it being a failure. But actually, it wasn't a failure.

Because they called 'do-over'."
 
2012-07-10 05:53:13 PM
The only way Microsoft will succeed at this strategy is if they can provide comparable products but at a noticably cheaper price. That is why Windows succeeds in the home computer/laptop market; while of awesome quality Apple computers come at a premium price and you can get a Windows machine with a comparable enough performance for a lot less.

Apple is the top dog high end "brand name" in personal electronic devices. Microsoft is more of a mid-tier image. A good analogy would be Apple is like Cadilac and Microsoft is more like Cheverolet. If people can really afford it they aren't going to pay the big bucks on a fully loaded Cheverolet, they are going to get the Cadilac.

If the Microsoft device is around the same price as the Apple device, people will go for the Apple because of the "social status" Apple has built through its marketing, even if the Microsoft device is better. But if the Microsoft device was a significant amount of money cheaper it would become a viable alternative.
 
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