gopher321: Can't someone please just shoot this traitourous biatch already?

kthxbye.

so after her it's then we can off Rumsfeld, North, and Cheney?

gopher321: Can't someone please just shoot this traitourous biatch already?

kthxbye.

You're a douchebag.

LowbrowDeluxe: Nothing she did should have rated any more than a disgusted look and a Red Foreman "Dumbass." Anyone getting any more worked up over it is just indulging their love of being OUTRAGED over something. It's like stretching the daily 5 minute Hate out to 30+ years.

Sorry, I beg to disagree. I had friends who were beaten by their guards SPECIFIALLY because of her visit. She aided and abetted an enemy of the U.S.
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Is this where I say "Communist Traitor Biatch"????

Still like Cat Ballou and Barbarella even if it was long ago and far away.

ChuDogg: TheBigJerk: The argument was that America was on the wrong side, your response was a rhetorical question which danced around the declaration, "The NV government was bad."

But the twofold problem with that is that it doesn't explain how the SV government was better, or the fact that war isn't generally about who is the pure shining example of perfection but whether or not the war is actually necessary or justifiable in the first place, which it wasn't. And you've admitted you believe it wasn't by saying, "I didn't say Vietnam was a good choice."

The reason folks hate Fonda comes in two separate packages. The first one is that people are sheep and when mass-media began screaming that she was a treasonous whore they just kind of went with the braying of the herd and hold onto that theory because most of their herd still holds onto it.

The second reason is she denounced the war and America's slowly-worsening atrocities and now it's pretty well-established that she was right, ain't nothin' harder to forgive someone of than the crime of being right when you were wrong.

I actually still support the Vietnam War. I think both the administrations of Johnson and Nixon were incompetent, but that's another matter. Most of those of those on the side of the U.S. were right. But I know alot of SE Asians who still side with the U.S., my girlfriends family being one of them. Many of them attended the funeral of Vang Pao who went out in full military honors that would make some Generals and maybe even Presidents blush. Many of them saw the atrocities by the U.S. first hand, but 99% of their experiences were positive. Hell about half their family died fighting the communists. And as my post above makes note, the most common complaint you usually hear is that U.S. pulled out. Most were convinced that if the U.S. simply kept funding up and supported them from the air they would be much like S. Korea today.

Communism has lost. It's a different world now. SE asia is embracing c ...

Sorry dude but you're wrong. The Vietnam war was unwinnable without turning major parts of the country into glass parking lots and even then we'd still be fighting against an insurgency today. We're talking about a country that spent a thousand years maintaining a separate national identity in a struggle against the Chinese. A country where two sisters who led an insurgency against the Chinese 1,500 years ago are national heroes even today. There is no way that a people with that kind of history can be conquered unless they want to be conquered.

We got ourselves involved in a civil war where we sided with a corrupt and brutal power because they were a capitalist corrupt and brutal power, and we paid dearly because of it. It could have been avoided if we had gotten over our cold war, imperialist tendencies and actually bothered to pay attention to the fact that Ho Chi Minh had been trying to ally himself with the US since he was first rebuffed by Woodrow Wilson in the aftermath of WWI.

Was he perfect? No, no one is. But how many other former French colonies have any semblance of a functioning government today? Not many. The reason that Vietnam has a stable, functioning government where most French colonies are barely functioning shiat holes right now is because Ho, whatever flaws he may have had, was able to hold the country together and build a functioning government. Vietnam wouldn't have been another South Korea if the US had stayed, they'd be another corrupt banana republic like all of the African and South American former colonies that sided with the US and had to suffer through corrupt US-backed dictator after corrupt US-backed dictator. South Korea isn't the nation it is today because of the US money, South Korea was a backwater 3rd world country until they went to the Olympics in Japan in 1964, saw how advanced Japan was and pulled themselves up by their own sheer force of will--there are stories of people teaching themselves structural engineering at night and going out in the morning to put it into practice.

DeltaPunch: Honest question: what kind of difficulties happen with sex when you're 70 or 80? Like men have trouble with erections, but do women still orgasm just as easily as when they were younger, etc?

I don't know about 70 or 80, but one of the big problems is lubrication. Another problem is that if a gals hormones go too wonky her libido can go away.

Or it can go into hyperdrive.

Oddly enough, at least for a single woman, one of women's big difficulties with sex is men's erections.

Men aren't very forthcoming about having problems. Men aren't always real great about managing their problems. Every time I get busy with a guy my age, there's that little worry in the back of my mind about whether his dick is going to work for him this time. You guys have this thing where pussies and clitorises and female orgasms seem to be a bit of a mystery to you? Well, penises are just as much of a mystery to us---when they work, when they don't, and why.

Whiskey dick is probably the most frustrating thing. A guy seems to conclude if his dick works well enough for him there's no problem. That is, if he manages to get hard enough to penetrate, thrust, and get off--even if it's embarrassingly difficult--then, well, it was embarrassingly difficult, but it's good enough and it all turned out okay.

If his dick works well enough that he penetrates, thrusts, and gets off, and, well, maybe he has to try a few times to penetrate and maybe he falls out once or twice, maybe it takes a bit of a breather halfway through, but other than that, easy peasy--well then everything's great. Yeah, having a beer or two slowed him down a bit, but it's all good, right?

Except it's not.

That loss of hardness drastically reduces female satisfaction for a whole lot of women.

It's different if there's a different, more medical cause for loss of hardness--because attitude is everything. Couples in a relationship can make work-arounds. Single guys with erectile dysfunction problems can make work-arounds.

You know, just once, I would like to go home with a guy who, knowing his penis isn't always 100% reliable anymore, has invested in a HItachi with attachments and knows how to use them. Just once.

Toys are getting more and more acceptable. The key is it's kinda icky to have a guy want to use a toy on you that he bought for some other woman, even if it's never been used. It's not icky for a guy to say, "This is my toy. And I use all the recommended practices to keep it spotless and safe." [There are safe toy practices, if you get toys, you should use them safely.]

Having a guy play with you with some other girl's discarded sex toy = gross. Having a guy play with you with his own, immaculately clean sex toy that he takes very good care of and knows how to use on you = 50 Shades of HOT.

It also gives a guy a graceful out if he has an erection problem. "Eh. It'll work later. For now, it just means I have time to do this." Or something.

I'm not a guy. I really can't know what it's like to have a penis and experience erectile dysfunction or just whatever mysterious "issues" go with having a penis. No idea. I just know that from this chick's perspective, disclosure where practical would help. More avoidance of alcohol before sex would help. Guys having a Plan B and having emotionally rehearsed moving to Plan B with confidence would help.

I also have to say that all of the biatching that people do about Jane Fonda, and for all of the inability by Americans to get over the war, the Vietnamese have proven time and again that they're the bigger party. I've been welcomed in to so many homes of people who, if they carried as much of a grudge as people carry over Fonda, have every right to hate and not want anything to do with any Americans whatsoever, but all I get is kindness and hospitality. They have every reason to hate us and to harbor 40 years of bitterness but they don't. Meanwhile, Americans can't stop biatching about one actress.

R.A.Danny: rynthetyn: but we never should have been there in the first place

That doesn't make the people that we sent over there's sacrifice any smaller.

But it makes denouncing an unjust war the moral thing to do. Seriously, we made people's lives a living hell for years all because we were too frikkin' racist to bother to learn anything about the place and their motivations. And we sent a generation of kids halfway around the world to die for no good reason.

Platitudes like yours gloss over the fact that a heck of a lot of people on both sides had their lives forever changed because of a war that the US should have never started.

R.A.Danny: rynthetyn: but we never should have been there in the first place

That doesn't make the people that we sent over there's sacrifice any smaller.

Yes, actually, it does. They died for nothing. Their sacrifice was tragic but worthless.

The_Sponge: dericwater: She's a GILF (or GGILF?) that I'd like to get intimate with.

/And you cons who are still sore about Jane, she's still correct: we shouldn't have been there.

That doesn't matter....you don't give aid and comfort to the enemy. She should have stayed over there.

Tell that to the neo cons, who basically helped Iran during the hostage crisis, who helped Saddam, who abetted the departure of key saudis after the 9/11, who allowed OBL to get out of Tora Bora, who funneled money and weapons in the Iran Contra...

BTW, she didn't give aid and comfort so much as been there to denounce the presence of US troops in SE Asia. She's a hero for speaking out against an atrocity and when an atrocity is committed, even by your home team, it must be pointed out as such.

Goodnight, Jane Fonda

The whole posing for a photograph sitting on top of an anti-aircraft gun was ill-advised, but we never should have been there in the first place.Not to mention that if we hadn't been such a bunch of arrogant colonialist idiots who thought that history began with contact with the west, we would have known that Ho Chi Minh allied himself with the Soviets because he was smart enough to know that the best way to make sure that China wouldn't be tempted to invade was to get a superpower as an ally and the US wasn't interested in being allies with a communist. But we were so myopically focused on the Cold War that we couldn't see that it had nothing to do with the domino theory and everything to do with Vietnam's deep distrust of China because of the whole thousand year Chinese occupation thing.

/going to the Vietnamese Military Museum tomorrow, really want to take a picture sitting on an anti-aircraft gun
//I'd really never be able to get elected president if I did though, it's not the kind of thing you joke about

Nothing she did should have rated any more than a disgusted look and a Red Foreman "Dumbass." Anyone getting any more worked up over it is just indulging their love of being OUTRAGED over something. It's like stretching the daily 5 minute Hate out to 30+ years.

The_Sponge: dericwater: She's a GILF (or GGILF?) that I'd like to get intimate with.

/And you cons who are still sore about Jane, she's still correct: we shouldn't have been there.

That doesn't matter....you don't give aid and comfort to the enemy. She should have stayed over there.

That. I'm one of the libbiest libs whoever libbed, but I cannot defend this woman. There's a difference between protesting the war and doing propaganda broadcasts for the other side.

Bit'O'Gristle: Really? She must have moved to North Vietnam to whore herself out again.

That's a slam on Vietnamese whores everywhere. You should apologize.

Really? She must have moved to North Vietnam to whore herself out again.

gopher321: Can't someone please just shoot this traitourous biatch already?

kthxbye.

^THIS

Can someone remind my why on earth I would care?

Julie Cochrane: You know, just once, I would like to go home with a guy who, knowing his penis isn't always 100% reliable anymore, has invested in a HItachi with attachments and knows how to use them. Just once.

How you doin'?

Have magic wand, will travel.

I don't have any problems with the equipment... but I'm limited to one or two times a night now, compared to the 5 or 6 I could manage when I was younger. Since I don't consider the job complete until I've rung my partner's bell at least half a dozen times, I don't have a problem breaking out the powertools to finish the job, especially if it's someone new whose body I don't know that well.

Even when I could go 5 or 6 times in a night, I still had a hitachi. My tongue gets tired.

Texas Curmudgeon: Jane Fonda: American Traitor biatch.


I can't believe there are still idiots out there who thought Vietnam was worth fighting

The_Sponge: That doesn't matter....you don't give aid and comfort to the enemy.

Agreed.

For those wanting to make a case for an official prosecution for treason, the fact that we never declared war on North Vietnam would make that very difficult.

DarkVader: This!

img1.fark.net tag for Jane Fonda in Vietnam!

Uhh, no. I am as anti-imperialism and anti-Vietnam war (even though it was before I was born) as the next hippie, but she knowingly helped produce propaganda films for the enemy. That is being a traitor. That would be like a US citizen going over and filming propaganda with the Taliban. Protest the war? Great. Help the enemy produce propaganda? Fark you.

I'm busting a gut at all these dinkwads like The Sponge bellyaching about something Jane Fonda did before they were even born.

Get a farkin' life, seriously.

El Freak: There's a difference between protesting the war and doing propaganda broadcasts for the other side.

This

AbiNormal: I can't wait for that farking whore to die so I can shiat on her grave.

While you're at it shiat on Eisenhower's, Kennedy's and Johnson's grave, they did more to harm American troops by sending then keeping troops there over some dumbassed conflict of ideals to get killed and harmed than some silly shiat Fonda did.

MeSoHomely: The_Sponge: dericwater: She's a GILF (or GGILF?) that I'd like to get intimate with.

/And you cons who are still sore about Jane, she's still correct: we shouldn't have been there.

That doesn't matter....you don't give aid and comfort to the enemy. She should have stayed over there.

Indeed.

From the US Constitution:
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Argue all you want about if we should/shouldn't have been there, the point that many (not just Vets) are united on is that you don't go and participate in the PR campaign of the enemy. If the Constitution is indeed the foundation of the United States' legal system, then such a blatant violation of it should have never been allowed. This has absolutely nothing to do with if you agree or disagree about the US being in Vietnam. This is about the Law, and the fact that being rich or famous should not exempt you from following it and, if necessary, being punished for it.

If she had returned and been punished, I wouldn't care less about if someone argued that whatever punishment she received was appropriate. She wasn't punished at all. What made her so damn special?

I have a lot of respect for people who will stand behind their beliefs and try to change things. Part of the protest itself is the risk of punishment, and being defiant enough to accept that risk. Whether I agree with their position or not, I will respect the depth of their convictions. She deserves no such respect, as she never stood accountable for her actions.

/Still pissed that my local VFW post doesn't have Hanoi Ja ...

so did your VFW post have similar pee targets of this fine american?



cause it seems as if they should.

R.A.Danny: rynthetyn: but we never should have been there in the first place

That doesn't make the people that we sent over there's sacrifice any smaller.

No, but it does make the tards that decided we should be over there a whole fark ton of a lot worse than Fonda, but it's pretty rare that the folks that do all the Hanoi Jane crap mention anything about them.

gopher321: Can't someone please just shoot this traitourous biatch already?

kthxbye.

You sound REALLY old. My *grandfather* biatches about Jane Fonda. He also forwards emails to the family about the UN takeover of America under Obama.

Get over it, crazy person.

Who gives a shiat what hanoi jane wants/says.

thank you.

She's a GILF (or GGILF?) that I'd like to get intimate with.

/And you cons who are still sore about Jane, she's still correct: we shouldn't have been there.

Yeah thanks, I didn't need to know that, Jane.

Still no motor in the back of her Honda though.