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(Breitbart.com)   "The difference between the Swift Boat Vets questioning Kerry's biography about his time in Vietnam and the media/Obama led outsource/offshore attacks is that the Vets were telling the truth and Obama and the media are lying"   (breitbart.com) divider line 79
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2012-07-10 06:26:57 PM  
8 votes:

James F. Campbell: And yet the "liberal" media only reports the lies. Mitt Romney just keeps lying, and no one cares.

No one cares about the blatant lies anymore.


What the media wants is a horse race. A right-down-to-the-wire, photo finish horse race, and if that means they have to cripple the frontrunner, and handicap the also-ran in order to get them both to hit the finish line at the same time, then so be it.

So, Obama gets called out for petty, idiotic reasons.

Romney gets a pass on being an absolute cretin.

And the horse race goes on.
2012-07-10 07:59:21 PM  
5 votes:
The reckless abandon with which W sent our troops to Iraq, coupled with the disgraceful "swiftboating" of Kerry led me to one sobering conclusion. The Republicans have nothing but contempt for our military.

Why wouldn't they?

Our military is comprised of mostly working class people. Check.

Our military is fully integrated and at least makes superficial attempts at equality. Check.

Our military has, among its ranks, honorable people who believe in self sacrifice. Check.

Our military people earn their pay through hard work. Check.

Y'know...ideas that makes Republicans cower like vampires exposed to sunlight.
2012-07-10 05:04:00 PM  
5 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese:

And as Sununu pointed out, 0bama has done far more than Romney did in outsourcing.


I'm sorry, my head is reeling from someone who expects to be treated seriously while quoting Sununu as an authority on anything and using a carefully placed zero instead of a 'O' at the beginning of the name of our sitting president.
2012-07-10 04:23:56 PM  
5 votes:
Wanna try that sentence again, Crazy?
2012-07-10 08:27:22 PM  
4 votes:

NDP2: Bag of Hammers: HellRaisingHoosier: The Swift Boat thing still makes me angry for Senator Kerry. Kerry went to fight for the United States in a crazy war that was half-way around the globe. He not only was injured a few times and received the Purple Heart but also received the Silver Star.

Now I've never been in the military, so I don't know much of anything about it. But I do know once when I was a kid I went and visited an uncle of mine who had been in World War 2. One day looking around his basement I find a bunch of his old military stuff. I took one of the medals upstairs and asked him what it was for. It was the only time I'd seen my uncle cry. A few years later when I was older I asked me aunt about it. She said that he still didn't wouldn't tell her all the details of how he got it.

Basically, I don't know what any medals are. Heck, I don't know what the Medal of Honor is, but I'd still respect the person who received one. Those Swiftboat guys had zero respect for Senator Kerry. In fact, I remember finding out later that none of them criticizing him even fought along beside him.

Big fat this.

Between that and what Bushco did to McCain in the 2000 Election, my dad (a Viet Nam veteran with a 25 year military career) no longer considers himself a Republican.

Kerry turned out to be a weak candidate but the fact the Swift Boat Vets' preposterous smears had enough impact to ensure he wouldn't be elected still bothers me. The claim that Kerry somehow didn't really deserve all those medals doesn't stand up to even casual inspection.


Never forget, too, that the Swift Boaters weren't just little guys trying to either "tell the truth about" or smear a big senator, all on their own. Any more than Joe the Plumber was.

They were funded by some of the richest, most powerful men in this country. Men with vested financial interests in undermining Democrats, while simultaneously not blowing their cover.

They got the little guys to do the dirty work for them, and then take the fall. Ironically, just like Vietnam.
2012-07-10 07:39:21 PM  
4 votes:
The Swift Boat thing still makes me angry for Senator Kerry. Kerry went to fight for the United States in a crazy war that was half-way around the globe. He not only was injured a few times and received the Purple Heart but also received the Silver Star.

Now I've never been in the military, so I don't know much of anything about it. But I do know once when I was a kid I went and visited an uncle of mine who had been in World War 2. One day looking around his basement I find a bunch of his old military stuff. I took one of the medals upstairs and asked him what it was for. It was the only time I'd seen my uncle cry. A few years later when I was older I asked me aunt about it. She said that he still didn't wouldn't tell her all the details of how he got it.

Basically, I don't know what any medals are. Heck, I don't know what the Medal of Honor is, but I'd still respect the person who received one. Those Swiftboat guys had zero respect for Senator Kerry. In fact, I remember finding out later that none of them criticizing him even fought along beside him.
2012-07-10 07:25:18 PM  
4 votes:
Romney gutted American companies for profit.

Kerry served his country in a war.

One of those the GOP attacked, one they lauded as heroic.

Makes my choice really damn easy.
2012-07-10 05:03:30 PM  
4 votes:
2012-07-10 08:55:07 PM  
3 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: A lie is a lie is a lie.

I get the impression that the GOP is really not able to handle a frank and open discussion about Romney's record as a 'business leader'. the fact is that Romney outsourced. the fact is that Romney destroyed companies. the fact is that Romney is (or at least was) a 'vulture capitalist'. those are facts. that's reality.

Now I get that these facts are damaging to Romney's campaign. I understand that the job of Romney's people is to mitigate that damage as much as possible. But...facts are facts. and there isn't much you can do about their existence.

And as Sununu pointed out, 0bama has done far more than Romney did in outsourcing.

Where is your citation for how much Romney has outsourced? (hint, the Washington Ombudsman said the WashPo article about Romney was wrong).

How much has Immelt outsourced? Remember, he is 0bama's lead advisor on fixing the US economy.


Uh, no. It said nothing of the sort.

"Does that mean that Mitt Romney shipped jobs overseas? Not exactly. Did Bain Capital precipitate the movement of U.S. jobs overseas? No, global forces far larger than any chief executive or U.S. president did that. But did Bain facilitate and feed the offshoring trend? I think there's a good case for that."

No one has suggested that Romney twirled his moustache while lighting cigars off of $100 bills and personally called blue collar workers to let them know they were fired. What the Post article revealed, and the Ombudsman confirmed, is that Bain capital invested in companies which improved revenues by outsourcing and offshoring jobs, and that they invested in companies which specialized in developing outsourcing and offshoring strategies for other businesses.
2012-07-10 07:48:15 PM  
3 votes:

praymantis: I know what you mean, when people are born on 3rd base and they think they hit a triple. I have not gotten that vibe from him.


This is a guy that suggests that people as wealthy as him are being taxed too much while paying an effective tax rate of 15%.

Fark his sob story about how hard the rich have it here in America. I'm sick of it!

Link
2012-07-10 05:31:36 PM  
3 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: lysdexic: tenpoundsofcheese: Why are you so judgemental?

Nothing on TV. And you're a pot.

forget to change tabs again?
at least put a little bit of effort in.


You're not worth it, sport.
2012-07-10 05:16:08 PM  
3 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: But...facts are facts. and there isn't much you can do about their existence.

Okay, what are the facts?
How many jobs did Romney outsource?
(difficulty: he had to actually be responsible for outsourcing decision, not just an investor)
Citation?

When 0bama gave $500M to Fisker, how many jobs did that create overseas vs. in the US? Isn't that outsourcing?

Oh but wait, that is tax payer money, not private money that Romney used.


you can't even spell Obama's name right...how am I supposed to believe that you are really willing to discuss this subject in a fair and even manner?
2012-07-10 04:33:47 PM  
3 votes:
well, i know the opposite is true - it's a breitbart story!
2012-07-10 04:33:03 PM  
3 votes:

kronicfeld: And today, polls show Romney made the exact right decision:

Polls are determinative of objective truth, after all.


I just took a poll in my office: "Is Breitbart always wrong about issues?"

100% of the people polled said "yes." So there you go.
2012-07-10 04:29:49 PM  
3 votes:
Meh.

This feels a little mailed-in, doesn't it?
2012-07-10 10:25:42 PM  
2 votes:
Accusations leveled against John Kerry by the Swift Boat Veterans For Lies:

1) Lied about his first Purple Heart, as it was received when he was hit by very minor shrapnel from a grenade he fired from a skimmer when there was no serious combat going on. He was immediately returned to duty after the shrapnel was pulled out, he was given an antibiotic, and bandaged. A man claiming to have treated him for the wound testified to this. Another man claimed Kerry came to him asking for a Purple Heart after the injury, and he said "no." Kerry somehow ended up with the Purple Heart regardless.

Problems: The only two other people on the skimmer at the time say the wound was received while under fire, and that nobody in the skimmer fired a grenade. The man who claimed to have treated Kerry was not listed on the treatment form. There is no documentation of Kerry's requesting the Purple Heart. Even if the wound was as minor and suspect as claimed, it would still qualify for the Purple Heart; one of the SBVTs actually got one in similar circumstances.

2) One of his other Purple Hearts as self-inflicted also, and both of his other Purple Hearts were for "band aids."

Problem: You can qualify for the Purple Heart if your injury was sustained in a combat situation (regardless of who hit you) and requires some medical assistance, as all of Kerry's did. Many, many people have received Purple Hearts this way.

3) Lied about his Bronze Star, as it was received because he merely pulled a guy out of the water when one of the boats struck a mine. They claim that Kerry authored the report that caused him to get a Bronze Star.

Problems: One of the SBVTs received a Bronze Star during the same incident; the report mentions heavy fire, and also bears no indication of having been written by Kerry. The SBVT who received the Bronze Star says it must have been an error, but he didn't contest it at the time. Multiple people on Kerry's boat and on other boats, including the guy Kerry pulled out of the water and a guy who pulled the SBVT guy out of the water at some point, attest to Kerry's bravery and that they were under fire. Furthermore, other Navy documents show that six VCs were killed in the incident, and that Kerry's boat took heavy damage and the boat received special recognition for its role in the incident.

4) Lied about his Silver Star, as he merely shot a fleeing "teenager in a loincloth clutching a grenade launcher which may or may not have been loaded." He was not under fire at the time, and was in no danger. His actions were reckless, and the award was given two days later without any review.

Problems: The guy who wrote the report for the Silver Star and later criticized Kerry in 2004 said glowing things about Kerry in 1969, 1996, and 2003. There is not a single eyewitness who agrees with the SBVT's claims... indeed, everyone who was there -- including Vietnamese people who were tracked down -- agrees with Kerry's account, said his actions were brave, and the guy he shot was a regular VC with a loaded rocket launcher who looked like he was getting ready to fire again. Furthermore, the award was given six days after the incident, and received proper reviews.
2012-07-10 08:41:56 PM  
2 votes:

FuturePastNow: Well, let's see. John Kerry requested a dangerous assignment, got a Silver Star and a Purple Heart, came home and demonstrated against the war he had been fighting in.

Mitt Romney demonstrated in favor of that same war, while accepting draft deferments so he could do missionary work in France.

It's easy to see who Republicans would support.


Sure. Because for a lot of Republicans, war is merely the great chess game where the poor are used as pawns in the whole affair. If the poor don't want their balls shot off, they should be smart enough to be born rich.

//Yellow ribbons on cars are an act of bravery though.

///Only magnetic ones though. That unsightly glue from stickers ruins the value of a Yukon. Support the troops, though.
2012-07-10 08:37:08 PM  
2 votes:

supageil: NDP2: Bag of Hammers: HellRaisingHoosier: The Swift Boat thing still makes me angry for Senator Kerry. Kerry went to fight for the United States in a crazy war that was half-way around the globe. He not only was injured a few times and received the Purple Heart but also received the Silver Star.

Now I've never been in the military, so I don't know much of anything about it. But I do know once when I was a kid I went and visited an uncle of mine who had been in World War 2. One day looking around his basement I find a bunch of his old military stuff. I took one of the medals upstairs and asked him what it was for. It was the only time I'd seen my uncle cry. A few years later when I was older I asked me aunt about it. She said that he still didn't wouldn't tell her all the details of how he got it.

Basically, I don't know what any medals are. Heck, I don't know what the Medal of Honor is, but I'd still respect the person who received one. Those Swiftboat guys had zero respect for Senator Kerry. In fact, I remember finding out later that none of them criticizing him even fought along beside him.

Big fat this.

Between that and what Bushco did to McCain in the 2000 Election, my dad (a Viet Nam veteran with a 25 year military career) no longer considers himself a Republican.

Kerry turned out to be a weak candidate but the fact the Swift Boat Vets' preposterous smears had enough impact to ensure he wouldn't be elected still bothers me. The claim that Kerry somehow didn't really deserve all those medals doesn't stand up to even casual inspection.

Never forget, too, that the Swift Boaters weren't just little guys trying to either "tell the truth about" or smear a big senator, all on their own. Any more than Joe the Plumber was.

They were funded by some of the richest, most powerful men in this country. Men with vested financial interests in undermining Democrats, while simultaneously not blowing their cover.

They got the little guys to do the dirty work for them, and then take the fall. Ironically, just like Vietnam.


I can safely say that the point where I decided I could never, in good conscience, vote Republican again was when I saw the picture of the fat Texas sow with a 10 gallon hat wearing a band-aid with a purple heart on it.

I realize that there are cretins everywhere, but the fact that that kind of outright disrespect of the considerable sacrifices our military makes was tolerated at a GOP convention soured me permanently. She should have been run out of there with a mob of pitchforks following her.
2012-07-10 07:55:06 PM  
2 votes:

HellRaisingHoosier: Now I've never been in the military, so I don't know much of anything about it. But I do know once when I was a kid I went and visited an uncle of mine who had been in World War 2. One day looking around his basement I find a bunch of his old military stuff. I took one of the medals upstairs and asked him what it was for. It was the only time I'd seen my uncle cry. A few years later when I was older I asked me aunt about it. She said that he still didn't wouldn't tell her all the details of how he got it.

Basically, I don't know what any medals are. Heck, I don't know what the Medal of Honor is, but I'd still respect the person who received one. Those Swiftboat guys had zero respect for Senator Kerry. In fact, I remember finding out later that none of them criticizing him even fought along beside him.


The lower level medals range from "joined the military during time of war" to "did more than the basic requirements of his job during his time at this command." The higher level medals generally either mean you killed a lot of enemies or saved a lot of friends, usually with blatant disregard for your own health, and nobody really expected you to come back alive (and in many cases, they're awarded posthumously). Bronze and Silver Stars don't get handed out like candy, and if you've been awarded one, it's probably not for any situation that you'd like to spend any time reminiscing about. You can shiat-talk my handful of NAMs all day long and I won't be terribly offended - but a man who has a silver star should have the respect of any American.
2012-07-10 07:45:15 PM  
2 votes:

HellRaisingHoosier: The Swift Boat thing still makes me angry for Senator Kerry. Kerry went to fight for the United States in a crazy war that was half-way around the globe. He not only was injured a few times and received the Purple Heart but also received the Silver Star.

Now I've never been in the military, so I don't know much of anything about it. But I do know once when I was a kid I went and visited an uncle of mine who had been in World War 2. One day looking around his basement I find a bunch of his old military stuff. I took one of the medals upstairs and asked him what it was for. It was the only time I'd seen my uncle cry. A few years later when I was older I asked me aunt about it. She said that he still didn't wouldn't tell her all the details of how he got it.

Basically, I don't know what any medals are. Heck, I don't know what the Medal of Honor is, but I'd still respect the person who received one. Those Swiftboat guys had zero respect for Senator Kerry. In fact, I remember finding out later that none of them criticizing him even fought along beside him.


Big fat this.

Between that and what Bushco did to McCain in the 2000 Election, my dad (a Viet Nam veteran with a 25 year military career) no longer considers himself a Republican.
2012-07-10 07:12:03 PM  
2 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: James F. Campbell: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Meanwhile, over at FR, Jim Robinson is apparently handling some sort of covert insurrection.

My god, they're insane.

It's beautiful in a sort of "unspeakable horror" way, isn't it?


They're evil, ignorant, and just generally very, very bad people.
2012-07-10 07:06:29 PM  
2 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Meanwhile, over at FR, Jim Robinson is apparently handling some sort of covert insurrection.


My god, they're insane.
2012-07-10 07:04:18 PM  
2 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: bloobeary: What the media wants is a horse race. A right-down-to-the-wire, photo finish horse race, and if that means they have to cripple the frontrunner, and handicap the also-ran in order to get them both to hit the finish line at the same time, then so be it.

And you know what? They're steadily losing viewers because of it. CNN has cratered this year.


THIS.

And the funny thing is, their Plan B narrative "voters are disillusioned with the negativity from both sides, and tuning out" isn't happening either.

People are still interested. I'm not sensing near the level of jaded bitterness of July 2008 or 2004. I hear people on both sides discussing the election all the time, and looking for alternatives to the mainstream media. Sure, one side is pretty disillusioned with their candidate, and turning to derp. And the other side might be a little let down too.

But this whole "voter apathy" bit just strikes me as the mainstream media preemptively blaming voters for turning away from THEIR shiatty coverage, to newer and better sources.
2012-07-10 06:57:48 PM  
2 votes:
I know the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth were totally lying about John Kerry's war record.

So I know Subby is half-wrong. Don't have enough data personally about the second claim. But Subby already lost credibility with me after the first open lie.
2012-07-10 06:40:40 PM  
2 votes:
Ahh, yes, another thoroughly sensible Breitbart article that totally won't get a -1 from me.

*clicks voting button*

Whoops! Butterfingers! I guess I must've voted downwards instead of upwards.

With such a trustworthy site as this and such well thought-out articles like these, I don't imagine that THAT will happen again.
2012-07-10 06:27:42 PM  
2 votes:

bloobeary: What the media wants is a horse race. A right-down-to-the-wire, photo finish horse race, and if that means they have to cripple the frontrunner, and handicap the also-ran in order to get them both to hit the finish line at the same time, then so be it.


And you know what? They're steadily losing viewers because of it. CNN has cratered this year.
2012-07-10 05:49:50 PM  
2 votes:
All this outsorcery will have grave consequences.

Well, either that or it's just the weekly guanoinsane desperate attempt at a tangent to distract people from the fact that Mitt Romney is- at best- a cardboard cutout candidate.

The real crusher is still to come though: if Obama is really every bit as bad as the GOP claims, then what's that say for the guy who can't win against him in term 2? The same man who was "top of the crop" of the GOP caucus?

The real question I think should be asked here- particularly in light of the GOP's much-vaunted reverence for the 'spirit of competition'- is why is Mitt Romney the best that the GOP can do?

I really wasn't that attached to Obama after term 1. You didn't have to try very hard GOP. Not very hard at all. I swear you just get more and more disappointing each year.
2012-07-10 05:36:11 PM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: But...facts are facts. and there isn't much you can do about their existence.

Okay, what are the facts?
How many jobs did Romney outsource?
(difficulty: he had to actually be responsible for outsourcing decision, not just an investor)
Citation?

When 0bama gave $500M to Fisker, how many jobs did that create overseas vs. in the US? Isn't that outsourcing?

Oh but wait, that is tax payer money, not private money that Romney used.

you can't even spell Obama's name right...how am I supposed to believe that you are really willing to discuss this subject in a fair and even manner?

So you still don't have a citation for how many jobs Romney outsourced? I didn't think you would.

I never judged whether people were willing to discuss the Speaker in a fair and even manner when they referred to Boner instead of Boehner. Why are you so judgemental?


because it bothers me that you have so little respect for the office of the President. you can at least spell the man's name correctly. distorting it like that is petty and childish and leads me to believe that you're just trolling.
2012-07-10 05:22:42 PM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: As expected all of the xenophobes, racists and nationalists show up to an outsourcing thread because they have a problem with sharing the wealth of this country with those of other races or the less fortunate.

Share the wealth.
Get over it.


well...no. see, the problem I have with Romney's business model is that he buys up companies, guts them like a fish, and then sells off the half rotted remains for whatever he can get. then moves on to the next company and repeated the process. Just how many companies did Bain capital destroy? even their success stories have some less than savory aspects.
2012-07-10 04:34:20 PM  
2 votes:
Could we just please burn all the rightwing martyrs?
2012-07-11 11:05:21 AM  
1 votes:

The Why Not Guy: The fact that Republicans show their faces in public after distributing and wearing the purple heart band-aids at their national convention is proof that they simply aren't capable of feeling shame. That was one of the most vile things I've ever seen.


I'm with you. That was about where I went from "I lean Democrat" to "Republicans are farking awful and morally bankrupt". I would still to this day punch this dumb biatch in her fat face if I walked by her on the street:

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2012-07-11 07:32:06 AM  
1 votes:
That whole swift boat thing was the single ugliest, nastiest smear I've seen in national politics during my life. It was so bad that its sponsor and benefactor, Dubya, was forced to disassociate himself from it several times. Because anybody who wasn't politically rabid saw that it was an ugly, nasty smear.

And here is the tinfoil crowd, bringing it up again. They still see it as their shining victory, their moment of crowning glory. "We gotta do that to Obama! We gotta do it again! It was so AWEsome!"

If it's a lie, no matter how vile, and it achieves your goal, then it's not a lie, it's a Holy Sacred Truth. Besides, both sides are bad. Vote Republican.
2012-07-11 04:14:34 AM  
1 votes:
The fact that Republicans show their faces in public after distributing and wearing the purple heart band-aids at their national convention is proof that they simply aren't capable of feeling shame. That was one of the most vile things I've ever seen.
2012-07-11 03:21:05 AM  
1 votes:
Oh, and way to bring up Vietnam again, dipshiats. Instead of serving, Romney went and hid in FRANCE (which Republicans love so much) while spreading the word of an organization you all think is a farking CULT. Keep digging, retards.
2012-07-11 03:16:54 AM  
1 votes:
You mean the vets who later admitted they'd never served directly with Kerry?

You mean that time when Republicans lied about an actual combat veteran while covering for Dubya, who not only never saw combat, but who also literally went AWOL and should have been arrested?

You want to bring THAT up again, you lying f*cking sacks of shiat?
2012-07-11 12:37:05 AM  
1 votes:
Two of the things that woke me up from being a moderate Republican to being a hardcore Democrat was the whole Iraq-WMD bullshiat and the insane publicity blitz that the Swiftboaters astro-turfed in 2004.

That finally smacked me upside the head hard enough to see behind the curtain and realize what was going on. The worst part was realizing that the truth was far worse than I had ever heard.

Annnnnd no clicky for you Breitbart Zombie. Get back in your damn hole and feed those worms you toxic shill.
2012-07-10 11:35:54 PM  
1 votes:

LincolnLogolas: Polling also indicates that Andrew Breitbart is STILL dead.


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"I warned you, strike me down and I will become more powerful than you can imagine."
2012-07-10 10:48:53 PM  
1 votes:

Sock Ruh Tease: Anyone who uses 0bama seriously is just trying to tell you that they're retarded.


That's been my rule since 2008: use "0bama" (not in jest) once and you get colored dark blue. Use it twice or in combination with "Libs" and I put you on ignore.

It's stood me in good stead thus far.
2012-07-10 10:23:17 PM  
1 votes:

Dwight_Yeast: Swat a Gadfly: Have you forgotten the tank assault on Waco?

Obama ordered a tank assault on the city of Waco? Really?


Man, I sure hope he owns the time machine outright. If he's leasing that thing, the time miles are going to kill him at the end.
2012-07-10 10:02:00 PM  
1 votes:

Thrag: tenpoundsofcheese: Sununu pointed out to Andrea Mitchell that 0bama is a bigger outsourcer

Sununu: No. When you've sent $500 million to Fisker and it goes to Finland immediately. When you send the solar money and it goes to Mexico. When you send the turbine money and it goes to Denmark. And we can go on all day. There is $29 billion worth of purchases that came out of this administration, outsourced jobs to foreign countries.

Mitchell's response? ummmmm....ummmmmm...commercial break time

So basically, Sununu doesn't have the slightest farking clue what the term outsourcing actually means.


Well, neither does tenpoundsofderp, so it's come full circle, now hasn't it?
2012-07-10 09:56:12 PM  
1 votes:

Marcus Aurelius: It's always sad to see someone going off their meds and then think they're still perfectly sane.


I agree, I think tenpoundsofcheese is only able to post in the Day Room during game time or something, it would explain his long disappearances...

That is who you were talking about, right?
2012-07-10 09:54:30 PM  
1 votes:

qorkfiend: Reminds me of a CSB I saw here on Fark. Some Farker was on a tour and there was an exchange:

Tour guide: incorrect assertion re: geology
Farker: That's not correct.
Tour group: rolling eyes at Farker Stop arguing!


When I go on tours of historic sites, I've learned to just bite my tongue, unless the guide actively solicits answers from the tour group.
2012-07-10 09:53:14 PM  
1 votes:

Ed Finnerty: Inside Subby's mind:

[dtdstudios.com image 640x480]


That is beyond awesome, there are not words to describe how perfectly that sums up any of the thoughts going through the minds of the Breitbart militia.
2012-07-10 09:27:27 PM  
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: PreMortem: tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: But...facts are facts. and there isn't much you can do about their existence.

Okay, what are the facts?
How many jobs did Romney outsource?
(difficulty: he had to actually be responsible for outsourcing decision, not just an investor)
Citation?

When 0bama gave $500M to Fisker, how many jobs did that create overseas vs. in the US? Isn't that outsourcing?

Oh but wait, that is tax payer money, not private money that Romney used.

"Henrik Fisker said the U.S. money has been spent on engineering and design work that stayed in the U.S., not on the 500 manufacturing jobs that went to a rural Finnish firm, Valmet Automotive."

Keep farking that chicken

There's nothing left of that poor chicken by now. Even the feathers are mostly down to quills.


Quills with dry blood stains. It can't be even remotely pleasant anymore.
2012-07-10 09:20:12 PM  
1 votes:

PreMortem: tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: But...facts are facts. and there isn't much you can do about their existence.

Okay, what are the facts?
How many jobs did Romney outsource?
(difficulty: he had to actually be responsible for outsourcing decision, not just an investor)
Citation?

When 0bama gave $500M to Fisker, how many jobs did that create overseas vs. in the US? Isn't that outsourcing?

Oh but wait, that is tax payer money, not private money that Romney used.

"Henrik Fisker said the U.S. money has been spent on engineering and design work that stayed in the U.S., not on the 500 manufacturing jobs that went to a rural Finnish firm, Valmet Automotive."

Keep farking that chicken


There's nothing left of that poor chicken by now. Even the feathers are mostly down to quills.
2012-07-10 08:59:01 PM  
1 votes:

praymantis: Mrtraveler01: praymantis: So in essence he was a successful businessman he should not be ashamed of that. In fact it is what America is all about.

He shouldn't.

What pisses me off is when people like him complain that the system is STILL against them even after achieving so much.

I know what you mean, when people are born on 3rd base and they think they hit a triple. I have not gotten that vibe from him. I have heard him speak on several occasions it seems to me he does not like the government getting in the way of business no more or less than say Reagan. I can't say I disagree with him.


Unfortunately for people like him (and st. Reagan), the term "government getting in the way of business" is code for "making us follow the rules". Government did "get out of the way" of business with the repeal of laws throughout the 80's, 90's and 00's (congressmen are relatively cheap), including the straw that broke the economy's back - Glass-Seagall. What did those of us who weren't the 1% get? Thoroughly f*cked, that's what we got. No dinner, no flowers, no lube, no goodnight kiss, nothing.

It's a really good thing that government stands in the way as much as it does. Capitalism is like an untrained pitbull on a chain in a fenced yard. You need the chain and the fence to prevent the dog from eating three year old neighborhood children. The dog may serve it's purpose in protecting your house, but without that leash and fence it can be a dangerous beast.

Every game needs rules if it is to be played fairly, or at all, and a referee to enforce said rules. Players who like to cheat would like to see those rules, or at least their enforcers, disappear. People like Mittens Rmoney are the physical and social embodiment of that type of player, and that's why people don't like him and those like him. They spend millions of dollars a year just to get the rules changed so they can cheat and make many more millions of dollars at everyone else's expense.

The reason our system (the game) hasn't collapsed into anarchy and chaos so far is because the players know they have referees. Yet the cheats, even though they have run the score up into the triple digits against the other team, whine and b*tch and cry that the game "isn't fair" - and that's what pisses people off about the system.
2012-07-10 08:55:01 PM  
1 votes:

supageil: contrapunctus: She should have been run out of there with a mob of pitchforks following her.

I completely agree. I still can't look at those "bandaid" photos without wanting to choke those people. I don't agree with the uses to which our military has been put in the past decade, but really. Show some farking class, people.


If you remember that particular campaign, you probably also remember that those kinds of vile displays were the direct result of the "turning point" that 04 represented.

I realize that American politics can be a particularly nasty breed, but 04 was the time when I think the full scope of the AM hate radio and Foxnews media poisoning really became clear. Fox had been on the airwaves a good 8 years by then and had built a pretty significant following of mouthfoaming devotees. Even 2000, with all of its resultant drama didn't come close to the palpable sense of hatred that was emanating from the right in 2004.

Just check out Zell Miller's speech from the GOP convention that year. It's like listening to an alcoholic bum who hasn't taken his dose of Haldol scream at a lightpost. It was surreal.
2012-07-10 08:46:44 PM  
1 votes:

MrEricSir: You left out the biggest one: the military is effectively a communist organization. Think about it: if you're in the military, you do a lot of tough labor in exchange for education, food, medicine, and shelter. You can do a great job or a shiatty one, there's not much incentive to succeed since the rewards are the same either way.

And just like the Soviet Union, it's governed by a circle of un-elected power brokers who wield immense power with little accountability for their decisions.


That idea, that the military is the most communistic place on earth, struck me early on in boot camp. As I recall, it was when every put their unlabeled jock straps into a pile to be washed in bleach, and then handed back out randomly. Well, that and the fact that the heads had no tp, so everyone shared the napkins we stole from the chow hall.
2012-07-10 08:40:04 PM  
1 votes:

contrapunctus: She should have been run out of there with a mob of pitchforks following her.


I completely agree. I still can't look at those "bandaid" photos without wanting to choke those people. I don't agree with the uses to which our military has been put in the past decade, but really. Show some farking class, people.
2012-07-10 08:33:43 PM  
1 votes:
Well, let's see. John Kerry requested a dangerous assignment, got a Silver Star and a Purple Heart, came home and demonstrated against the war he had been fighting in.

Mitt Romney demonstrated in favor of that same war, while accepting draft deferments so he could do missionary work in France.

It's easy to see who Republicans would support.
2012-07-10 08:06:50 PM  
1 votes:

contrapunctus: The reckless abandon with which W sent our troops to Iraq, coupled with the disgraceful "swiftboating" of Kerry led me to one sobering conclusion. The Republicans have nothing but contempt for our military.

Why wouldn't they?

Our military is comprised of mostly working class people. Check.

Our military is fully integrated and at least makes superficial attempts at equality. Check.

Our military has, among its ranks, honorable people who believe in self sacrifice. Check.

Our military people earn their pay through hard work. Check.

Y'know...ideas that makes Republicans cower like vampires exposed to sunlight.


You left out the biggest one: the military is effectively a communist organization. Think about it: if you're in the military, you do a lot of tough labor in exchange for education, food, medicine, and shelter. You can do a great job or a shiatty one, there's not much incentive to succeed since the rewards are the same either way.

And just like the Soviet Union, it's governed by a circle of un-elected power brokers who wield immense power with little accountability for their decisions.
2012-07-10 07:53:58 PM  
1 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Swat a Gadfly: Left FARK a couple of months ago because "no debate without facts and cites."

Wait, it's bad to ask for facts and citations to claims people make?

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Go with stupid. That's even too dumb for trolling.
2012-07-10 07:52:52 PM  
1 votes:

Swat a Gadfly: Left FARK a couple of months ago because "no debate without facts and cites."


Wait, it's bad to ask for facts and citations to claims people make?

i0.kym-cdn.com
2012-07-10 07:52:19 PM  
1 votes:

Swat a Gadfly: Left FARK a couple of months ago because "no debate without facts and cites." This site is still overwhemed with food stamp people.

Liberals today have continued my resolve to get rid of the assassination President. His drone attacks make me vomit. Ask Panetta how the U.S would defend against 100 drones targeting our government.

In a second term by Obama this country would look like Syria. Have you forgotten the tank assault on Waco?

Seems funny to me that Professor Obama never had a client. Lawyer? Bull!


We hardly missed you. And by hardly, I mean "not at all."

GTFO with that nonsense.
2012-07-10 07:31:30 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Where is your citation for how much Romney has outsourced?


Are you referring to when Romney was A Managing Director or THE Managing Director?.
2012-07-10 07:27:03 PM  
1 votes:

incendi: SkunkWerks: I really wasn't that attached to Obama after term 1. You didn't have to try very hard GOP. Not very hard at all. I swear you just get more and more disappointing each year.

If the voting population were a girl dating Obama, the GOP's attempt this year to woo us away appears to be something along the lines of "Come on, baby. I'll take care of you. I'll take you to McDonald's and baby I'll buy you whatever you want off the dollar menu."


Is that before or after the backhand to the face and them screaming of "BIATCH, do what you're told!"
2012-07-10 07:22:31 PM  
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: I really wasn't that attached to Obama after term 1. You didn't have to try very hard GOP. Not very hard at all. I swear you just get more and more disappointing each year.


If the voting population were a girl dating Obama, the GOP's attempt this year to woo us away appears to be something along the lines of "Come on, baby. I'll take care of you. I'll take you to McDonald's and baby I'll buy you whatever you want off the dollar menu."
2012-07-10 07:19:29 PM  
1 votes:
Swift boaters were lying. Most of the time, the folks criticizing were nowhere near the events in question. Any vet, no matter how heroic, can be made out to be a coward by republicans...
2012-07-10 07:16:53 PM  
1 votes:

praymantis: Mrtraveler01: praymantis: So in essence he was a successful businessman he should not be ashamed of that. In fact it is what America is all about.

He shouldn't.

What pisses me off is when people like him complain that the system is STILL against them even after achieving so much.

I know what you mean, when people are born on 3rd base and they think they hit a triple. I have not gotten that vibe from him. I have heard him speak on several occasions it seems to me he does not like the government getting in the way of business no more or less than say Reagan. I can't say I disagree with him.


28.media.tumblr.com
2012-07-10 07:15:06 PM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: bloobeary: What the media wants is a horse race. A right-down-to-the-wire, photo finish horse race, and if that means they have to cripple the frontrunner, and handicap the also-ran in order to get them both to hit the finish line at the same time, then so be it.

And you know what? They're steadily losing viewers because of it. CNN has cratered this year.


I wouldn't cry for them just yet. Think of all the SuperPAC/401c-4 money the networks are going to be raking in for ads.
2012-07-10 07:13:58 PM  
1 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: It's beautiful in a sort of "unspeakable horror" way, isn't it?


It's like watching a traffic accident where the cars just keep piling up higher and higher.
2012-07-10 07:12:23 PM  
1 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: James F. Campbell: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Meanwhile, over at FR, Jim Robinson is apparently handling some sort of covert insurrection.

My god, they're insane.

It's beautiful in a sort of "unspeakable horror" way, isn't it?


Got a Cliff's Notes version for those of us who can't bring ourselves to get bukakked with stupid?
2012-07-10 07:09:09 PM  
1 votes:

unlikely: DeltaPunch: I just added fromage to my ignore list today,

Did you get his alts too? Doesn't help if he just changes logins and comes back once he figures out 2/3 of the thread is ignoring him.


FWIW, Fark seems to be tracking us now by IPs - I saw this one login I'd never heard of getting left off my screen, and figured out it must be an alt for someone I already had on ignore.

Which means... if you want to figure out if someone's an alt, put one login on ignore and see who else that takes out...
2012-07-10 07:03:48 PM  
1 votes:

MindStalker: tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: But...facts are facts. and there isn't much you can do about their existence.

Okay, what are the facts?
How many jobs did Romney outsource?
(difficulty: he had to actually be responsible for outsourcing decision, not just an investor)
Citation?

When 0bama gave $500M to Fisker, how many jobs did that create overseas vs. in the US? Isn't that outsourcing?

Oh but wait, that is tax payer money, not private money that Romney used.

Actually it was a government backed loan, not government dollars, we are only on the hook if fisker fails. Also 350 million of that was to rebuilt a US plant in Deleware. http://m.jalopnik.com/5851735/how-fisker-got-500-million-in-government -loans-for-a-fuel-economy-flop


Your own link says you're wrong:

"The $528 million loan from the U.S. Department of Energy was split between $169 million for the Karma and $359 million for Fisker to launch Nina production at General Motors' old plant in Delaware. "

From the press release touting the DE GM plant:

"Funds will come from a conditional loan of $528.7M the Department of Energy awarded the company in September.

The loan is part of the $25B Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing loan program (ATVM) appropriated by Congress in 2007 to help the United States lead in the development and manufacturing of advanced technology vehicles."

Those sure sound like government loans to me.
2012-07-10 06:59:02 PM  
1 votes:
Meanwhile, over at FR, Jim Robinson is apparently handling some sort of covert insurrection.
2012-07-10 06:53:50 PM  
1 votes:

Bontesla: Wanna try that sentence again, Crazy?


Well, it IS kinda hard to use one of these in coming up with new articles.

www.greatdreams.com
2012-07-10 06:48:51 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Sununu pointed out to Andrea Mitchell that 0bama is a bigger outsourcer

Sununu: No. When you've sent $500 million to Fisker and it goes to Finland immediately. When you send the solar money and it goes to Mexico. When you send the turbine money and it goes to Denmark. And we can go on all day. There is $29 billion worth of purchases that came out of this administration, outsourced jobs to foreign countries.

Mitchell's response? ummmmm....ummmmmm...commercial break time


So basically, Sununu doesn't have the slightest farking clue what the term outsourcing actually means.
2012-07-10 06:43:21 PM  
1 votes:

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Ahh, yes, another thoroughly sensible Breitbart article that totally won't get a -1 from me.

*clicks voting button*

Whoops! Butterfingers! I guess I must've voted downwards instead of upwards.

With such a trustworthy site as this and such well thought-out articles like these, I don't imagine that THAT will happen again.


I'm definitely not telling other people to do so, but I may or may not have also voted this thing in the downward direction
2012-07-10 06:01:36 PM  
1 votes:

bloobeary: Of those who served in Kerry's boat crew, only Stephen Gardner joined SBVT.[24] He was not present on any of the occasions when Kerry won his medals, including his Purple Hearts. Gardner appeared in two of the group's television advertisements.

All other living members of Kerry's crew supported his presidential bid, and some frequently campaigned with him as his self-described "band of brothers". Kerry crew members have disputed some of SBVT's various allegations, calling them "totally false" (Drew Whitlow), "garbage" (Gene Thorson), and "a pack of lies" (Del Sandusky).


And yet the "liberal" media only reports the lies. Mitt Romney just keeps lying, and no one cares.

No one cares about the blatant lies anymore.
2012-07-10 05:44:43 PM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: Why are you so judgemental?

because it bothers me that you have so little respect for the office of the President. you can at least spell the man's name correctly. distorting it like that is petty and childish and leads me to believe that you're just trolling.


Let it go man. Life's too short to waste with his kind.
2012-07-10 05:21:28 PM  
1 votes:

vartian: tenpoundsofcheese:

And as Sununu pointed out, 0bama has done far more than Romney did in outsourcing.

I'm sorry, my head is reeling from someone who expects to be treated seriously while quoting Sununu as an authority on anything and using a carefully placed zero instead of a 'O' at the beginning of the name of our sitting president.


It is 0ften 0mitted from 0dious discourse, but remains a valid alternative 0ption to traditional spelling.

/Or tenpoundsofcheese is a moron
2012-07-10 05:19:56 PM  
1 votes:
Brietbart. Dead. Still.
2012-07-10 05:11:05 PM  
1 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: But...facts are facts. and there isn't much you can do about their existence.

Okay, what are the facts?
How many jobs did Romney outsource?
(difficulty: he had to actually be responsible for outsourcing decision, not just an investor)
Citation?

When 0bama gave $500M to Fisker, how many jobs did that create overseas vs. in the US? Isn't that outsourcing?

Oh but wait, that is tax payer money, not private money that Romney used.


"Henrik Fisker said the U.S. money has been spent on engineering and design work that stayed in the U.S., not on the 500 manufacturing jobs that went to a rural Finnish firm, Valmet Automotive."

Keep farking that chicken
2012-07-10 04:57:24 PM  
1 votes:

Bloody William: Weaver95: I get the impression that the GOP is really not able to handle a frank and open discussion about Romney's record as a 'business leader'.

They absolutely aren't. All the Romney campaign has been able to do is say "Why are you trying to distract from Obama's record?"

To which the response is, "Okay, go."

To which the response is, "..."

To which the response is, "Are you done? Because I'd like to point out some more how Romney is emblematic of everything wrong with modern business practices."


the ONLY response i've seen from the GOP on this question is to avoid it completely. they'll change the subject, they'll go on the attack, they'll deny the facts of Romney's career at Bain capital. the last bit is the one I find fascinating: denial. as if the world can't look up Romney's record online and know how he ran his business.
2012-07-10 04:50:51 PM  
1 votes:
A lie is a lie is a lie.

I get the impression that the GOP is really not able to handle a frank and open discussion about Romney's record as a 'business leader'. the fact is that Romney outsourced. the fact is that Romney destroyed companies. the fact is that Romney is (or at least was) a 'vulture capitalist'. those are facts. that's reality.

Now I get that these facts are damaging to Romney's campaign. I understand that the job of Romney's people is to mitigate that damage as much as possible. But...facts are facts. and there isn't much you can do about their existence.
2012-07-10 04:39:00 PM  
1 votes:
Inside Subby's mind:

dtdstudios.com
2012-07-10 04:34:59 PM  
1 votes:
A lie is a lie is a lie.

I don't think Nolte fully understood Rove when he talked about repetition of a lie.
2012-07-10 04:33:41 PM  
1 votes:

sigdiamond2000: Meh.

This feels a little mailed-in, doesn't it?


FTFA: A lie is a lie is a lie.

Why yes. Yes it does.
2012-07-10 04:26:33 PM  
1 votes:
That is a hard sentence to read.
 
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