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(Tech Stew)   Can the Android-based Ouya console compete with the big guys?   (tech-stew.com) divider line 61
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2012-07-10 03:03:44 PM
No.
 
2012-07-10 03:28:39 PM
 
2012-07-10 03:30:28 PM
Let me elaborate.

Android is an awesome operating system; however, it was especially designed for mobile devices. A custom version of Ubuntu would probably be a better choice than Android.
 
2012-07-10 03:37:28 PM
Not really.
 
2012-07-10 03:42:55 PM
It might not have to "compete with the big guys" if it carves out its own niche instead. Having said that, people would have to learn how to pronounce the damn thing before anyone seriously considers buying it.

Also, probably no.
 
2012-07-10 04:43:02 PM
I don't think so, but it's a fandroid's wet dream.
 
2012-07-10 04:48:57 PM
Fandroid here, this is interesting but not a wet dream.
 
2012-07-10 04:49:14 PM
besides the obvious

who's going to make graphic chips for a subscription service with obvious cash flow problems as in they have no cash.
 
2012-07-10 04:51:35 PM
Maybe, maybe not. If they can put together a decent gaming network experience and a few decent titles, they would make an interesting also-ran. I bought a Palm Pre, so take my words with a grain of salt.
 
2012-07-10 04:51:55 PM
I must say, however, that I'm impressed that Ouya's kickstarter is going to break it's 950,000$ goal and keep going in less than a day. Probably within the hour.
 
2012-07-10 04:52:41 PM

Kanemano: who's going to make graphic chips for a subscription service with obvious cash flow problems as in they have no cash.


It's perfectly feasible to run a graphics-intensive game on something even less powered than the Ouya - just stream it from a cloud like OnLive or Gaikai.
 
2012-07-10 04:56:06 PM
You know what's amazing? A whole bunch of people have given at the $10,000 bracket.
 
2012-07-10 04:58:33 PM
so how long until they give up on the standalone unit and decide to build it into Google TV?
 
2012-07-10 04:59:10 PM
No.

In related news I've got a console I plan on kickstarting, it's called the Phantom. It's going to be revolutionary.
 
2012-07-10 04:59:10 PM

RexTalionis: Kanemano: who's going to make graphic chips for a subscription service with obvious cash flow problems as in they have no cash.

It's perfectly feasible to run a graphics-intensive game on something even less powered than the Ouya - just stream it from a cloud like OnLive or Gaikai.


I don't find this dissimilar from saying it's perfectly feasible to watch a VHS, DVD, or Blu-Ray movie on a low-end HD-TV. Sure, it's a correct statement, but at that point the device really isn't much more than the frontpiece.
 
2012-07-10 05:01:27 PM
No, but it sounds like a fun project nonetheless.
 
2012-07-10 05:01:45 PM

FitzShivering: I don't find this dissimilar from saying it's perfectly feasible to watch a VHS, DVD, or Blu-Ray movie on a low-end HD-TV.


I do watch Blurays on a low-end HDTV. Works just fine for me.
 
2012-07-10 05:02:00 PM
How about they solve some of the glaring issues with Android first.
Why is the Chrome browser not available on Android? No, not the dumbed down "Android browser". Something that actually syncs bookmakers....like Chrome. Their own freaking browser. Just port it over.
Why is there no Google office suite? I get that Google Docs is all about online storage, but if Google wants Android to be a real OS, crippled-retard word/excel/powerpoint apps like what's currently available are not going to cut it.
True offline maps for Google Navigation. I know they just released something that's trying to get there, but you can only download 9 map squares, and it still doesn't actually let you search and navigate to a spot without an active data connection, even if it's within a downloaded square.

I love that they are always coming out with new features like Google Now. But it seems like a lot of time they release a product that is about 70% what it could/should be...and then development slows to a trickle while they move on to the next thing. Hell there isn't even a native app for Google Tasks on Android. What about something breathtakingly simple like adding the ability to cut/copy/paste calender events in Google Calender without having to navigate 4 menu screens?
 
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2012-07-10 05:02:16 PM

cman: FitzShivering: No.

 
2012-07-10 05:05:04 PM
Well they reached their goal already. I suppose we'll find out.
 
2012-07-10 05:09:59 PM

taurusowner: Why is the Chrome browser not available on Android? No, not the dumbed down "Android browser". Something that actually syncs bookmakers....like Chrome. Their own freaking browser. Just port it over.


It is available. Here it is with bookmark sync and everything.

taurusowner: Why is there no Google office suite? I get that Google Docs is all about online storage, but if Google wants Android to be a real OS, crippled-retard word/excel/powerpoint apps like what's currently available are not going to cut it.


That's Google Drive. That's also available on the Android Play store.
 
2012-07-10 05:16:38 PM
probably not with that name...
 
2012-07-10 05:17:12 PM
Yeah, this opened up to full Android might as well be Google's doomed GoogleOS. Attach keyboard and mouse, happy grandfather in front of his big ass TV.


/Yes, he plays video games. I have the same retirement plan.
 
2012-07-10 05:18:37 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-10 05:25:28 PM

blahpers: [i.imgur.com image 640x320]


PA also currently has a kickstarter, and if they reach a million dollars they'll stop having ads on their website. This is causing much wringing of hands.
 
2012-07-10 05:27:11 PM

RexTalionis: FitzShivering: I don't find this dissimilar from saying it's perfectly feasible to watch a VHS, DVD, or Blu-Ray movie on a low-end HD-TV.

I do watch Blurays on a low-end HDTV. Works just fine for me.


Which is why the TV isn't the point. It's the Blu-Ray player doing the work. :)

Just as OnLive does the work of whatever dummy device you connect to it with.
 
2012-07-10 05:32:09 PM

RexTalionis: It is available. Here it is with bookmark sync and everything.


Tablet only. A good try, but still not good enough.
 
2012-07-10 05:33:20 PM

RexTalionis: taurusowner: Why is there no Google office suite? I get that Google Docs is all about online storage, but if Google wants Android to be a real OS, crippled-retard word/excel/powerpoint apps like what's currently available are not going to cut it.

That's Google Drive. That's also available on the Android Play store.


Google Drive is not a word processor, an excel document editor or a powerpoit creator. It's a storage system. No dice.
 
2012-07-10 05:37:12 PM

taurusowner: RexTalionis: It is available. Here it is with bookmark sync and everything.

Tablet only. A good try, but still not good enough.


FRAGO: It's not tablet only but it requires ICS which is only on a handful of devices, it also doesn't have flash (great, Android is reverting to the iPhone) or password sync. Basically, it's a shiat beta that doesn't cut it.
 
2012-07-10 05:38:31 PM

taurusowner: RexTalionis: It is available. Here it is with bookmark sync and everything.

Tablet only. A good try, but still not good enough.


You asked why Chrome isn't available for Android and when I point out Chrome for Android for you, you quibble because it's only for tablets? Talk about moving the goalpost.

taurusowner: Google Drive is not a word processor, an excel document editor or a powerpoit creator. It's a storage system. No dice.


From Google Drive for Android's own feature list:

* Create and edit Google documents with rich text formatting
* Edits to your Google documents appear to collaborators in seconds
* Make quick changes to spreadsheets
* View your PDFs, presentations and more
* Upload and convert files to the Google Docs format
* Take a photo of printed text and convert it to a Google document

You don't know what you're talking about and you keep moving the goalposts.
 
2012-07-10 05:42:27 PM
t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-07-10 05:45:47 PM

Lumbar Puncture: No.

In related news I've got a console I plan on kickstarting, it's called the Phantom. It's going to be revolutionary.


Funny, I'm making one too, called the Indrema.

I have a feeling they're just repackaging Raspberry Pi
 
2012-07-10 05:47:55 PM
Not with a name like that..
 
2012-07-10 05:51:06 PM

taurusowner: RexTalionis: taurusowner: Why is there no Google office suite? I get that Google Docs is all about online storage, but if Google wants Android to be a real OS, crippled-retard word/excel/powerpoint apps like what's currently available are not going to cut it.

That's Google Drive. That's also available on the Android Play store.

Google Drive is not a word processor, an excel document editor or a powerpoit creator. It's a storage system. No dice.


You can create documents, spreadsheets and presentations in there. It does not have the flexibility or functionality of MSOffice or OpenOffice, but is suitable for basic needs. I create and store documents in there often.
 
2012-07-10 05:52:45 PM

RexTalionis: taurusowner: RexTalionis: It is available. Here it is with bookmark sync and everything.

Tablet only. A good try, but still not good enough.

You asked why Chrome isn't available for Android and when I point out Chrome for Android for you, you quibble because it's only for tablets? Talk about moving the goalpost.

taurusowner: Google Drive is not a word processor, an excel document editor or a powerpoit creator. It's a storage system. No dice.

From Google Drive for Android's own feature list:

* Create and edit Google documents with rich text formatting
* Edits to your Google documents appear to collaborators in seconds
* Make quick changes to spreadsheets
* View your PDFs, presentations and more
* Upload and convert files to the Google Docs format
* Take a photo of printed text and convert it to a Google document

You don't know what you're talking about and you keep moving the goalposts.


No. The goalpost is this: no half-ass kinda-works-on-some-things attempts. All word processing and excel apps on Android including ones made by Google are crippled and have maybe 1% of the capabilities of MS Word/Excel. If Android wants to be a real OS, there needs to be an office suite that at least tries to mirror those capabilities.

And if Google is going to release a new app, it A: needs to be available on all current versions of Android. Sure it might run worse on older phones with bad hardware. But give us the option to install it. ICS is just rolling out and doesn't even have 10% of market share for Android devices. There is no reason why Chrome should only be available for an OS that isn't even really available yet. And even from the phones that can run Chrome, it's still a half ass attempts. If it doesn't have the capabilities of Chrome, don't farking call it Chrome. No flash, no password sync, etc. Stop releasing new products with less features than the old products. That's a half ass attempt.
 
2012-07-10 05:56:12 PM
YES!

1. Buy console
2. Get hack (available day 1) and download emulators.
3. Play thousands of retro games.

Legal? Hell no, but when you see your friend had EVERY DAMN RETRO GAME you will want one too. The free to play/micro-transaction model is the future. Anyone excited for the Wii U? Ready to throw away your PS3 or Xbox 360 since Sony and Microsoft want to sell new hardware?

PC gamers can feel smug right now, but you are still shelling out $$$ for your gaming rig.
 
2012-07-10 06:01:00 PM
Maybe?
 
2012-07-10 06:12:18 PM
I'd totally blow $100 on one.
 
2012-07-10 06:17:58 PM

Lumbar Puncture: o


Is that right?

*off to check*
 
2012-07-10 06:22:42 PM

marcand: YES!

1. Buy console
2. Get hack (available day 1) and download emulators.
3. Play thousands of retro games.

Legal? Hell no, but when you see your friend had EVERY DAMN RETRO GAME you will want one too. The free to play/micro-transaction model is the future. Anyone excited for the Wii U? Ready to throw away your PS3 or Xbox 360 since Sony and Microsoft want to sell new hardware?

PC gamers can feel smug right now, but you are still shelling out $$$ for your gaming rig.


Free to play/microtransactions are great, but the model is not universally applicable. There are some great games that simply could not have been produced nor marketed under such a model without irreparably damaging them.

I am perfectly fine with paying money to game developers for a quality product. Why should I feel bad about "shelling out $$$ for my gaming rig"?
 
2012-07-10 06:38:57 PM

marcand: YES!

1. Buy console
2. Get hack (available day 1) and download emulators.
3. Play thousands of retro games.


Legal? Hell no, but when you see your friend had EVERY DAMN RETRO GAME you will want one too.


Since steps 2.5 and 3 are completely possible today - this very minute, using the machine I'm typing my reply on - why the fark would I want to contribute funding to step 1? Will this new wheel be rounder, somehow? Will the retro games I can emulate be more retro-y after a million-dollar development project?
 
2012-07-10 06:53:46 PM
emotibot.net
 
2012-07-10 06:57:38 PM

MrEricSir: No, but it sounds like a fun project nonetheless.


I agree, whether it works well or not, this is something worth somebody trying. It might change the market for the better.
 
2012-07-10 07:03:26 PM

Wingchild: marcand: YES!

1. Buy console
2. Get hack (available day 1) and download emulators.
3. Play thousands of retro games.

Legal? Hell no, but when you see your friend had EVERY DAMN RETRO GAME you will want one too.

Since steps 2.5 and 3 are completely possible today - this very minute, using the machine I'm typing my reply on - why the fark would I want to contribute funding to step 1? Will this new wheel be rounder, somehow? Will the retro games I can emulate be more retro-y after a million-dollar development project?


If you liked the old Sega games you can already play all the roms on an old dreamcast. Also my tablet already does step 2.5 and 3 like you said. The touch screen controls are kind of unwieldy though.
 
2012-07-10 09:25:48 PM
 
2012-07-10 09:52:55 PM
Well, like it or not, they've jumped from 1.2 mil to 1.7 mil in 3 hours, destroying their goal of 950k.

This is exploding. I've never seen such rapid number increases, for anything. I mean, sure, I've only been paying attention to Kickstarter for about 6 months now, but still.

/kicked in to see Larry return
 
2012-07-10 09:58:25 PM

gmpilot: MrEricSir: No, but it sounds like a fun project nonetheless.

I agree, whether it works well or not, this is something worth somebody trying. It might change the market for the better.


Get out of here. Nothing with "free to play" or this bullshiat "social" games are a change for the better and that's exactly what this POS is trying to achieve.

This gen may probably be my last. If the industry goes that way and there's no other option, it will definitely be.
 
2012-07-10 10:04:36 PM
No. I don't need yet another platform.

Console.
Desktop pc.
Mobile.
Tablet.

Oh, and free games don't pay rent for developers.
 
2012-07-10 10:39:52 PM
The Ou Ya! Will this be the spokesperson?

images.wikia.com
 
2012-07-10 11:00:02 PM
Fark this, just open up the PS3 to run android FFS.

//how stupid can Sony be?
 
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