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2012-07-10 04:17:37 PM
The strict gun laws in Chicago are working out so well. [For the criminals]
 
2012-07-10 04:17:52 PM
I've got an idea...

assets.blog.norml.org
 
2012-07-10 04:18:03 PM
They are Attractive and Successful Urban African American Entrepreneurs, amirite???

.
 
2012-07-10 04:18:24 PM
He's going to run for president some day.
 
2012-07-10 04:18:31 PM
Every week it's a new tactic. All failed in the past, all will fail in the future. The people of Chicago simply will not have any part of their plans for the right to self population control farked with.
 
2012-07-10 04:22:01 PM

ideamaster: The strict gun laws in Chicago are working out so well. [For the criminals]


this
 
2012-07-10 04:22:54 PM
Avon: [to Stringer] Sunday truce been there as long as the game itself ..... I mean, you can do some shiat and be like what the fark, but hey, never on no Sunday.
 
2012-07-10 04:23:00 PM
Makes you miss Daley doesn't it?
/as to which one either will do.
 
2012-07-10 04:23:14 PM

ChaosStar: ideamaster: The strict gun laws in Chicago are working out so well. [For the criminals]

this



Thirded.
 
2012-07-10 04:24:41 PM
Kind of makes sense to me.

Essentially, "Hey, we're not giving up on trying to stop the violence, but it would be much appreciated if you gangbangers could simply kill one another rather than innocent citizens who have nothing to do with your criminal activities or 'beefs.'"

Makes the innocent citizens feel a little better, I suppose. Doubt it has any impact on the gangs, and they tend to avoid killing citizens anyway already, but it's a decent thought.

Think Omar from The Wire, won't kill people who aren't "playing the game."
 
2012-07-10 04:24:57 PM
Welcome to Obama's America!
 
2012-07-10 04:25:08 PM

ChipNASA: They are Attractive and Successful Urban African American Entrepreneurs, amirite???

.


I hope they don't let this jackass get too close to the aliens. They might think we're all this stupid.
 
2012-07-10 04:25:13 PM
Ol' Ray knew how to handle 'em.
www.wearysloth.com
/breaks my heart to see a boy that young goin' bad
 
2012-07-10 04:25:52 PM

Evil Mackerel: Makes you miss Daley doesn't it?
/as to which one either will do.


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/Yes, I realize his name is spelled "Daly".
 
2012-07-10 04:26:02 PM
For anyone wanting some further reading on why gang violence in Chicago is so much fun, I would suggest reading "Gang Leader for a Day" by Sudhir Venkatesh.

It is by no means comprehensive, but it does provide an interesting view on that lifestyle.
 
2012-07-10 04:27:04 PM
I know a lot of things have changed and a lot of bad stuff has happened on a global level that is probably the cause of this increase in crime rate and whatnot, but it also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.
 
2012-07-10 04:27:48 PM

Evil Mackerel: Makes you miss Daley doesn't it?
/as to which one either will do.


because the strong-arm tactics, gestapo crap and "old-boys club"/mafia politics in no way contributed to Chicago's issues today.
 
2012-07-10 04:28:17 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I hope they don't let this jackass get too close to the aliens. They might think we're all this stupid.


but he's correct, right?

 
2012-07-10 04:28:22 PM

jdamaral: Essentially, "Hey, we're not giving up on trying to stop the violence, but it would be much appreciated if you gangbangers could simply kill one another rather than innocent citizens who have nothing to do with your criminal activities or 'beefs.'"


There was a letter to the editor of the Chicago Tribune a few days back suggesting the solution is to have the police offer free target practice and aiming lessons for all gangbangers. That way, not only would they stop killing the innocents but they'd start killing each other more often too.
 
2012-07-10 04:28:28 PM

PillsHere: I know a lot of things have changed and a lot of bad stuff has happened on a global level that is probably the cause of this increase in crime rate and whatnot, but it also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.


It was in the shiatter when he was in office.
 
2012-07-10 04:28:47 PM
Man's got to have a code.

Or is that only in Baltimore?
 
2012-07-10 04:28:52 PM
Why are we even IN Chicago?
Lets cut our losses and get out, while we still can.
 
2012-07-10 04:29:00 PM
If only there were a former Chicago "community organizer" who's in a position of power......
 
2012-07-10 04:29:25 PM

PillsHere: also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.


You think it was that recent. ???

You know how long it takes to develop the level of corruption that makes that town look like an outhouse upside down?
You bet go back to when they were laying out the original town lines.
 
2012-07-10 04:29:26 PM

The_Sponge: ChaosStar: ideamaster: The strict gun laws in Chicago are working out so well. [For the criminals]

this


Thirded.


Fourthed. Well armed law abiding citizens standing up for themselves are one of the best ways to combat crime.

\Cop
 
2012-07-10 04:30:21 PM
What they need to do is open a huge arena as a "Free Murder Zone" and allow warring gangs to go there to settle their beefs without the danger of innocents being caught in the crossfire or any criminal prosecution. There guys will NEVER stop killing each other, so lets let them while protecting innocent civilians from their stupidity and savagery. Sort of like a modern day Thunderdome, but groups are allowed to "Compete".

Plus, the bulletproof glass covered luxury boxes can help fill the states coffers, while the gangbangers fill the states coffins.
 
2012-07-10 04:34:39 PM

Voiceofreason01: Evil Mackerel: Makes you miss Daley doesn't it?
/as to which one either will do.

because the strong-arm tactics, gestapo crap and "old-boys club"/mafia politics in no way contributed to Chicago's issues today.


Funny, hes not republican.
 
2012-07-10 04:38:27 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: ChipNASA: They are Attractive and Successful Urban African American Entrepreneurs, amirite???

I hope they don't let this jackass get too close to the aliens. They might think we're all this stupid.




Problem is he has a point and you know it. Black on black murders are happening at an INSANE rate, mostly due to glorifying gang culture. Yes, there are a few asian gangs that do the same. Yes, its not ALL blacks, but it is a true stereotype, whither you want to admit it or not.

I live in a capital city. Just about every week there is a murder with a gun and it's almost always the same: Black on black, gang related. When the police try to crack down on suspected gang members, the civil rights activists cry racial profiling, racism and discrimination. Meanwhile young black men die by the hand of other young black men on a regular basis.

There is NOTHING the white/asian/other community can do to stop this. It MUST be addressed by the black community. They are killing their own in numbers that make the KKK smile from ear to ear.


Jesus Wept.
 
2012-07-10 04:38:57 PM

ChipNASA: They are Attractive and Successful Urban African American Entrepreneurs, amirite???

.


Just a bunch of black white trash. They even have the sister farking down to a tee. That happens when you don't know who your father is or who in the neighborhood he might have farked 20 years ago.
 
2012-07-10 04:39:01 PM
Well, since the Supremes have taken away one of the mayor's options in dealing with crime (prosecuting arms dealers and suing towns that let arms dealers flood the city with illegal guns) he has to resort to less logical means.
 
2012-07-10 04:39:05 PM
Here's an idea...got this one while watching that Bait Car show - A person is caught committing a crime, say a violent crime or theft. BAM! Gun shot to the head, that person's life is over.

It will thin out the population and deter crimes from being committed.

We're getting a bunch of these Chi-town low life types coming up here to smaller cities in Wisconsin where the drug business is booming. The white trash members of our communities quickly become clients one way or another. Makes me sick.
 
2012-07-10 04:39:08 PM

Evil Mackerel: Voiceofreason01: Evil Mackerel: Makes you miss Daley doesn't it?
/as to which one either will do.

because the strong-arm tactics, gestapo crap and "old-boys club"/mafia politics in no way contributed to Chicago's issues today.

Funny, hes not republican.


Say what you want, but there's a reason decades-long Democrat strongholds like Detroit and Chicago turn into cesspools. Their policies don't work. God bless some of them for their good intentions, but the policies just don't work. Driving away business, taking more money out of the pockets of consumers, inflating bureaucracies and administrations with corruption and graft while promoting racial and class strife and disarming the populace just is not they way to make a city thrive.
 
2012-07-10 04:39:22 PM

vegasj: DROxINxTHExWIND: I hope they don't let this jackass get too close to the aliens. They might think we're all this stupid.

but he's correct, right?


About what?
 
2012-07-10 04:39:38 PM

FarkinHostile: Yes, there are a few asian gangs that do the same.



Hopefully they can shoot better than they can drive.

*Ducks*
 
2012-07-10 04:39:59 PM

PillsHere: I know a lot of things have changed and a lot of bad stuff has happened on a global level that is probably the cause of this increase in crime rate and whatnot, but it also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.


The crime rate in most of the United States is quite low despite the recent economic catastrophe, so you can't really blame global issues for this even a little.
 
2012-07-10 04:40:56 PM
You know who would clean up Chicago?

Ditka.
 
2012-07-10 04:41:17 PM

PillsHere: I know a lot of things have changed and a lot of bad stuff has happened on a global level that is probably the cause of this increase in crime rate and whatnot, but it also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office


Part of the major budget problems is that Daley tried to paper it over by selling the Chicago Skyway and the rights to parking meters in the city for like the next 100 years to a private company. Rahm's stuck making all the tough decisions and tough stances Daley wouldn't while he was too busy trying to get the Olympics none of the citizens of the city wanted because we knew we'd get stuck with the bill for cost overruns that we clearly couldn't afford.

The reason for the higher murder rate this year is really easy though: it's been abnormally warm all year.
 
2012-07-10 04:41:19 PM
Not News: Murder rate is high in Chicago. News: Mayor addresses the issue. Fark: By appealing to the gangbangers' value system

What's next offering them hugs?

They just need to spend more on their gun buy-backs?

lennavan: jdamaral: Essentially, "Hey, we're not giving up on trying to stop the violence, but it would be much appreciated if you gangbangers could simply kill one another rather than innocent citizens who have nothing to do with your criminal activities or 'beefs.'"

There was a letter to the editor of the Chicago Tribune a few days back suggesting the solution is to have the police offer free target practice and aiming lessons for all gangbangers. That way, not only would they stop killing the innocents but they'd start killing each other more often too.


If I were a Chicago cop I wouldn't want to be giving pointers to the arseholes that might later on be shooting at me.
 
2012-07-10 04:42:30 PM

Callous: If I were a Chicago cop I wouldn't want to be giving pointers to the arseholes that might later on be shooting at me.



Seriously....I want to know what kind of an idiot sent that letter to the editor.
 
2012-07-10 04:42:35 PM

PillsHere: I know a lot of things have changed and a lot of bad stuff has happened on a global level that is probably the cause of this increase in crime rate and whatnot, but it also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.


The murder rate started climbing again while Daley was in office. The problem was the recession. It hit Chicago very hard and put a lot of work. And some of those people that were out of work turned to drug dealing, robbing drug dealers and other crimes to make ends meet.
 
2012-07-10 04:44:10 PM
i don't have the answers. but if Uncle Sam unleashed a few hundred combat ready troops into Dead Mans Land with immunity you'd see the bodies stacked high as firewood in a week. and not many would stand around mourning the loss, either. sooner or later you have to cut your losses and bring it to zero. obviously what we've done in the past is not working. time to turn to a fresh blank page.

or let scumbags keep running amuck, killing little girls who are selling candy bars at the end of their driveway. notice this does not happen to the children of senators, congressmen or wealthy folks.
 
2012-07-10 04:44:16 PM

vudukungfu: PillsHere: also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.

You think it was that recent. ???

You know how long it takes to develop the level of corruption that makes that town look like an outhouse upside down?
You bet go back to when they were laying out the original town lines.


I moved from Chicago in 2005, but I always thought it was a nice city when I lived there and I thought while maybe corrupt, Daley did a good job. He turned the city around from being the dumpy place it was in the 80's to being a re-vitalized hip and clean city. Just look at the Magnificent Mile, Grant Park/Millenium Park, the whole downtown area, etc. Now I don't know much about what's happened since I moved, but I know that taxes and unemployment have gone up just like everywhere else in the country so that's not really a surprise. However, the crime increase seems relatively recent.
 
2012-07-10 04:44:39 PM

GQueue: The reason for the higher murder rate this year is really easy though: it's been abnormally warm all year


Oh, and it's barely rained too. People aren't outside shooting each other when it's pouring or when it's 10 degrees out, because it farking sucks being outside when the weather is like that.
 
2012-07-10 04:45:52 PM
I got news for you. They have no morals, no sense of propriety, no decency, just a flat overwhelming idea of "macho gangsta" and a desire for easy money through robbery, extortion, drugs, and murder. You will NEVER be able to appeal to their sense of values, nor make them think "hey..we are hurting not only the african-american image, but innocent people are dying." They don't care. They are pussy gang bangers who's only strength lies in their numbers. That is why you don't see a "one on one" fight, it's 15 gang bangers jumping one guy. And you wont see them popping off carefully aimed shots at their rivals, they are gonna hose down the whole street like retards while they run by in their cars. Because they are too pussy to face down their enemies man to man. So...they spray and pray, and don't give a shiat about collateral damage and innocent victims. These are people with limited if no High School, or even grade school, who's vocabulary generally consists of "yo biatch, and motherfarker". To expect anything resembling any kind of social value or empathy for anyone but themselves is like wishing for a lottery win. You can wish in one hand and shiat in the other, but in the end, you end up with a handful of shiat. They care about their easy money, pussy, and cars, and their street cred, and nothing else.

So to all the gang bangers out there, you are all pussies who are nothing if not in a group of your other loser ilk, you are doomed to die young with a level of education of your average potato, and all you have in your sad pathetic lives are bloody drug money and violence, stupid gang signs that impress nobody, and a false sense of accomplishment. Well done, and way to represent, because as we all know..it's all about "how we look", not about what we've actually done with our lives.
 
2012-07-10 04:46:17 PM

The_Sponge: You know who would clean up Chicago?

Ditka.


Mini-Ditka?
 
2012-07-10 04:46:29 PM

Evil Mackerel: Funny, hes not republican.


Richard J Daley was basically a democrat version of Nixon, except he stayed close enough to his local power base in Chicago to avoid getting indicted.
 
2012-07-10 04:46:54 PM
I'm pretty sure there has been Chicago gang violence for at least 40 years. I still blame Fartbongo's time machine.

upload.wikimedia.org

DYNOMITE!

Thank God the dad opened McDowell's burger emporium and finally got off the dole
 
2012-07-10 04:47:59 PM

The_Sponge: You know who would clean up Chicago?

Ditka.


I do have a Ditka for govenor bumper sticker.
 
2012-07-10 04:48:44 PM

PillsHere: vudukungfu: PillsHere: also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.

You think it was that recent. ???

You know how long it takes to develop the level of corruption that makes that town look like an outhouse upside down?
You bet go back to when they were laying out the original town lines.

I moved from Chicago in 2005, but I always thought it was a nice city when I lived there and I thought while maybe corrupt, Daley did a good job. He turned the city around from being the dumpy place it was in the 80's to being a re-vitalized hip and clean city. Just look at the Magnificent Mile, Grant Park/Millenium Park, the whole downtown area, etc. Now I don't know much about what's happened since I moved, but I know that taxes and unemployment have gone up just like everywhere else in the country so that's not really a surprise. However, the crime increase seems relatively recent.


Yeah, but you're not getting shot on North Michigan Ave. I hear this all the time about how X city is so dangerous because people who sell drugs get shot on a corner than I'll never go to. Wake me when it's Guadalajara and the shiat comes to you.

So anyway, I wonder what is happening with the gangs right now. Did someone get weak and another gang choose this time to steal their territory? Was a gang destablilized? Is there a power vacuum?
 
2012-07-10 04:49:13 PM

GQueue: PillsHere: I know a lot of things have changed and a lot of bad stuff has happened on a global level that is probably the cause of this increase in crime rate and whatnot, but it also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office

Part of the major budget problems is that Daley tried to paper it over by selling the Chicago Skyway and the rights to parking meters in the city for like the next 100 years to a private company. Rahm's stuck making all the tough decisions and tough stances Daley wouldn't while he was too busy trying to get the Olympics none of the citizens of the city wanted because we knew we'd get stuck with the bill for cost overruns that we clearly couldn't afford.

The reason for the higher murder rate this year is really easy though: it's been abnormally warm all year.


Ooh yah, the parking meter thing happened after I moved, but that did severely piss me off. I kind of forgot about that. Every time I go back to visit my parents it disgusts me to see how much the meters have increased. There used to be meters near my apartment building downtown that were like 25 cents for 5 minutes which I remember thinking was extreme, but last I saw they were something ridiculous like $5 a minute or something.
 
2012-07-10 04:49:40 PM

The_Sponge: You know who would clean up Chicago?

Ditka.


Yeah! Look what he did for New Orleans!
www.sportsnola.com
 
2012-07-10 04:49:48 PM
Every day when I read the news and there's another murder(s), I just pass it up and go to the weather. One is no different than the next.

/live north of Chicago
 
2012-07-10 04:50:01 PM

Dahnkster: Thank God the dad opened McDowell's burger emporium and finally got off the dole



Yeah, but then he became evil and John McClane took him out.
 
2012-07-10 04:50:29 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: I got news for you. They have no morals, no sense of propriety, no decency, just a flat overwhelming idea of "macho gangsta" and a desire for easy money through robbery, extortion, drugs, and murder. You will NEVER be able to appeal to their sense of values, nor make them think "hey..we are hurting not only the african-american image, but innocent people are dying." They don't care. They are pussy gang bangers who's only strength lies in their numbers. That is why you don't see a "one on one" fight, it's 15 gang bangers jumping one guy. And you wont see them popping off carefully aimed shots at their rivals, they are gonna hose down the whole street like retards while they run by in their cars. Because they are too pussy to face down their enemies man to man. So...they spray and pray, and don't give a shiat about collateral damage and innocent victims. These are people with limited if no High School, or even grade school, who's vocabulary generally consists of "yo biatch, and motherfarker". To expect anything resembling any kind of social value or empathy for anyone but themselves is like wishing for a lottery win. You can wish in one hand and shiat in the other, but in the end, you end up with a handful of shiat. They care about their easy money, pussy, and cars, and their street cred, and nothing else.

So to all the gang bangers out there, you are all pussies who are nothing if not in a group of your other loser ilk, you are doomed to die young with a level of education of your average potato, and all you have in your sad pathetic lives are bloody drug money and violence, stupid gang signs that impress nobody, and a false sense of accomplishment. Well done, and way to represent, because as we all know..it's all about "how we look", not about what we've actually done with our lives.



www.ep.tc



Really though, you're right.
 
2012-07-10 04:51:09 PM

MBooda: The_Sponge: You know who would clean up Chicago?

Ditka.

Yeah! Look what he did for New Orleans!
[www.sportsnola.com image 350x389]



I LOL'd.

Did you see the Ricky Williams interview on Dan LeBatard's show? That guy is on a different planet.
 
2012-07-10 04:52:51 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: I got news for you. They have no morals, no sense of propriety, no decency, just a flat overwhelming idea of "macho gangsta" and a desire for easy money through robbery, extortion, drugs, and murder. You will NEVER be able to appeal to their sense of values, nor make them think "hey..we are hurting not only the african-american image, but innocent people are dying." They don't care. They are pussy gang bangers who's only strength lies in their numbers. That is why you don't see a "one on one" fight, it's 15 gang bangers jumping one guy. And you wont see them popping off carefully aimed shots at their rivals, they are gonna hose down the whole street like retards while they run by in their cars. Because they are too pussy to face down their enemies man to man. So...they spray and pray, and don't give a shiat about collateral damage and innocent victims. These are people with limited if no High School, or even grade school, who's vocabulary generally consists of "yo biatch, and motherfarker". To expect anything resembling any kind of social value or empathy for anyone but themselves is like wishing for a lottery win. You can wish in one hand and shiat in the other, but in the end, you end up with a handful of shiat. They care about their easy money, pussy, and cars, and their street cred, and nothing else.

So to all the gang bangers out there, you are all pussies who are nothing if not in a group of your other loser ilk, you are doomed to die young with a level of education of your average potato, and all you have in your sad pathetic lives are bloody drug money and violence, stupid gang signs that impress nobody, and a false sense of accomplishment. Well done, and way to represent, because as we all know..it's all about "how we look", not about what we've actually done with our lives.


I wonder if gang members sit around and talk about what shut-ins on internet are really like.
 
2012-07-10 04:53:24 PM
MURDER RATE IS TOO DAMN HIGH!
 
2012-07-10 04:53:31 PM

Voiceofreason01: Evil Mackerel: Funny, hes not republican.

Richard J Daley was basically a democrat version of Nixon, except he stayed close enough to his local power base in Chicago to avoid getting indicted.


Both sides suck, that why I'm an independant.All snark aside without a third party we're screwed.
 
2012-07-10 04:56:26 PM
Looks like the BPSN is still in business. They've been around since the late 50's.
 
2012-07-10 04:56:30 PM

Rapmaster2000: PillsHere: vudukungfu: PillsHere: also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.

You think it was that recent. ???

You know how long it takes to develop the level of corruption that makes that town look like an outhouse upside down?
You bet go back to when they were laying out the original town lines.

I moved from Chicago in 2005, but I always thought it was a nice city when I lived there and I thought while maybe corrupt, Daley did a good job. He turned the city around from being the dumpy place it was in the 80's to being a re-vitalized hip and clean city. Just look at the Magnificent Mile, Grant Park/Millenium Park, the whole downtown area, etc. Now I don't know much about what's happened since I moved, but I know that taxes and unemployment have gone up just like everywhere else in the country so that's not really a surprise. However, the crime increase seems relatively recent.

Yeah, but you're not getting shot on North Michigan Ave. I hear this all the time about how X city is so dangerous because people who sell drugs get shot on a corner than I'll never go to. Wake me when it's Guadalajara and the shiat comes to you.

So anyway, I wonder what is happening with the gangs right now. Did someone get weak and another gang choose this time to steal their territory? Was a gang destablilized? Is there a power vacuum?


Like I said it is the economy for one. The recession hit Chicago hard and some of those people that lost their jobs and couldn't find new ones hit the streets and became independent drug dealers infringing on territory that had been carved out. Some jobless started robbing drug dealers leading to a lot of shooting and retaliations.

Another thing is that now there are Mexican gangs trying to make a push to take control of other areas.
 
2012-07-10 04:58:19 PM

jdamaral: Kind of makes sense to me.

Essentially, "Hey, we're not giving up on trying to stop the violence, but it would be much appreciated if you gangbangers could simply kill one another rather than innocent citizens who have nothing to do with your criminal activities or 'beefs.'"

Makes the innocent citizens feel a little better, I suppose. Doubt it has any impact on the gangs, and they tend to avoid killing citizens anyway already, but it's a decent thought.

Think Omar from The Wire, won't kill people who aren't "playing the game."



But they ARE killing each other. Almost every time you hear someone weeping for a "child" killed by gang violence it was 1) a gang member themselves and b) killed by another "child". The Vice Lords and the Gangsta Disciples (and every other street gang) aren't exactly turning away the 12 and 13 year olds that want to join and saying "come back and try agian in a few years shorty". There is no minimum age requirement.

This happens quite often where the pollyanna media gets wind of a 12 year old that gets shot up and goes off crusading "for the children" only to find out very early in any investigation that the dead kid was far from innocent and was likely killed by his own gang to silence a potential snitch that could connect them to yet another dead child.

You may think I'm a horrible person and you may be right but not because I would make such a story up out of thin air. There's a few more like this one but I can't remember the names.
 
2012-07-10 04:59:01 PM

Rapmaster2000: I wonder if gang members sit around and talk about what shut-ins on internet are really like.


You means ta said da innernet?

A buddy of mine spent a few weeks in county jail. In jail, the movie Idiocracy was on TV/cable. He said nobody found it too amusing - just a little bit too close to home(y) for their liking.
 
2012-07-10 05:00:07 PM

Evil Mackerel: Voiceofreason01: Evil Mackerel: Funny, hes not republican.

Richard J Daley was basically a democrat version of Nixon, except he stayed close enough to his local power base in Chicago to avoid getting indicted.

Both sides suck, that why I'm an independant.All snark aside without a third party we're screwed.


we have a third party, ir'a just that they suck and have no political power

/otherwise I agree
//your mileage with local candidates may vary independant of the actions/beliefs of the national party
 
2012-07-10 05:01:10 PM

Rapmaster2000:
Yeah, but you're not getting shot on North Michigan Ave. I hear this all the time about how X city is so dangerous because people who sell drugs get shot on a corner than I'll never go to. Wake me when it's Guadalajara and the shiat comes to you.


The shiat was coming to them as recently as last summer.

There was a gang-related shooting on the Mag Mile a couple of weeks ago.
 
2012-07-10 05:03:53 PM

One Bad Apple: But they ARE killing each other. Almost every time you hear someone weeping for a "child" killed by gang violence it was 1) a gang member themselves and b) killed by another "child". The Vice Lords and the Gangsta Disciples (and every other street gang) aren't exactly turning away the 12 and 13 year olds that want to join and saying "come back and try agian in a few years shorty". There is no minimum age requirement.

This happens quite often where the pollyanna media gets wind of a 12 year old that gets shot up and goes off crusading "for the children" only to find out very early in any investigation that the dead kid was far from innocent and was likely killed by his own gang to silence a potential snitch that could connect them to yet another dead child.

You may think I'm a horrible person and you may be right but not because I would make such a story up out of thin air. There's a few more like this one but I can't remember the names.



I don't think you are a horrible person, I just think you do not live in Chicago and have no idea what you are talking about but decided to post anyways. That doesn't make you horrible, it makes you stupid.

Overnight, a 1-year-old child sleeping in bed was wounded in the head by a bullet fired from outside.

Link

Now granted, I'm assuming the one year old didn't join a gang. Perhaps you are right and the one year old was a great talker, gang banger, and was going snitch.
 
2012-07-10 05:04:56 PM

One Bad Apple: jdamaral: Kind of makes sense to me.

Essentially, "Hey, we're not giving up on trying to stop the violence, but it would be much appreciated if you gangbangers could simply kill one another rather than innocent citizens who have nothing to do with your criminal activities or 'beefs.'"

Makes the innocent citizens feel a little better, I suppose. Doubt it has any impact on the gangs, and they tend to avoid killing citizens anyway already, but it's a decent thought.

Think Omar from The Wire, won't kill people who aren't "playing the game."


But they ARE killing each other. Almost every time you hear someone weeping for a "child" killed by gang violence it was 1) a gang member themselves and b) killed by another "child". The Vice Lords and the Gangsta Disciples (and every other street gang) aren't exactly turning away the 12 and 13 year olds that want to join and saying "come back and try agian in a few years shorty". There is no minimum age requirement.

This happens quite often where the pollyanna media gets wind of a 12 year old that gets shot up and goes off crusading "for the children" only to find out very early in any investigation that the dead kid was far from innocent and was likely killed by his own gang to silence a potential snitch that could connect them to yet another dead child.

You may think I'm a horrible person and you may be right but not because I would make such a story up out of thin air. There's a few more like this one but I can't remember the names.


/Sighs, that's one of the saddest things i've ever had the misfortune to read. Thanks for the linky.
 
2012-07-10 05:07:53 PM
Link

/Can tell you all about random moranic gang violence. Oh wait, they can't they are dead.
 
2012-07-10 05:09:17 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Rapmaster2000:
Yeah, but you're not getting shot on North Michigan Ave. I hear this all the time about how X city is so dangerous because people who sell drugs get shot on a corner than I'll never go to. Wake me when it's Guadalajara and the shiat comes to you.

The shiat was coming to them as recently as last summer.

There was a gang-related shooting on the Mag Mile a couple of weeks ago.


Well, there was only one story there.. Anyway, the one from last year is hilarious:

Police say it all started one of the two victims pulled out his wallet to buy a single cigarette from a teen in the mob, when another teen swiped the victim's wallet and the mob began to run.

It was after the victims had caught up with the group that the mob knocked the pair to the ground and began to beat them.

"I find it really miraculous that the two kids got up and chased them again, because according to the victims, it happened at the beach," he said. "They really started fighting at the beach, then they started fighting in front of the Armani store, and again in front of Potbelly's."


WTF? They tried to buy a loosey on the beach, got their wallet swiped, fought the attackers, got beat up, chased the attackers, got beat up, chased the attackers, and got beat up.

I admire their dedication to getting beaten up.
 
2012-07-10 05:11:39 PM
All these posts and no one has yet blamed global warming. Shocking. The higher the temperatures at night, the longer they stay outdoors and BLAMMO! Black kids shooting black kids everywhere.
 
2012-07-10 05:12:51 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: ...



yup. and done.
 
2012-07-10 05:15:25 PM
I like how when it's the Irish and the Italians committing murders in the name of organized crime, it's individual gang members at fault, yet when its black gangsters, its "black culture" at fault.
 
2012-07-10 05:16:21 PM
I've definitely heard more gunshots in my neighborhood than I have in years past. This is alarming, considering how I never used to hear gunshots.

/ was planning to move out of state in August, but hanging around to stick it out with the Sox
 
2012-07-10 05:16:45 PM

FarkinHostile: DROxINxTHExWIND: ChipNASA: They are Attractive and Successful Urban African American Entrepreneurs, amirite???

I hope they don't let this jackass get too close to the aliens. They might think we're all this stupid.



Problem is he has a point and you know it. Black on black murders are happening at an INSANE rate, mostly due to glorifying gang culture. Yes, there are a few asian gangs that do the same. Yes, its not ALL blacks, but it is a true stereotype, whither you want to admit it or not.

I live in a capital city. Just about every week there is a murder with a gun and it's almost always the same: Black on black, gang related. When the police try to crack down on suspected gang members, the civil rights activists cry racial profiling, racism and discrimination. Meanwhile young black men die by the hand of other young black men on a regular basis.

There is NOTHING the white/asian/other community can do to stop this. It MUST be addressed by the black community. They are killing their own in numbers that make the KKK smile from ear to ear.


Jesus Wept.




First, I'd like to welcome you back to being retarded. You were kind of agreeing with me on certain points for a while and I began to get worried. My immature personal attack aside, I'll take a sec to address some of your more ridiculous points:

1. "mostly due to glorifying gang culture"

So, we're going to discount generations of racism, segregation, and bigotry and blame it all on...rap songs? The anger in hip-hop is not the CAUSE of violence, it is the RESULT of living around it. Sure, people of ALL races gravitate to the "bad boy". It's why James Dean was popular. It's why Elvis' hips were a National outrage, it's why every 80s movie about a white high school had a "cool" kid who rode a motorcycle and smoked cigs. And it is why all of your little white nieces and nephews want to dress like Lil Wayne. Your position is that little white kids have the ability to listen to the music without effect, while little black kids are predisposed to crime so they are unable to resist their criminal urges. In your world, its much more likely that everything is ok, racism doesn't exist, discrepancies in the quality of education don't matter...everything would be fine for these kids if they didn't listen to that hippity-hop. That is not a solid position.


2. When the police try to crack down on suspected gang members, the civil rights activists cry racial profiling, racism and discrimination.

This one tells your age. I have found that the younger the person is, the less likely they are to believe that there is one black person or a group of people who speak for ALL black people. I attribute it to the time that you came up in. You're used to seeing images of black civil rights leaders and portraits of men and women who lead blacks out of the cotton fields to the promised land. You're used to white-owned media outlets shoving a microphone into the face of Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton whenever a black person stubs a toe. Your perception is dated. We are people. INDIVIDUALS, just like you. So, lets make a deal. I won't attribute everything that Rush Limbaugh says to you if you can do the same when Al or Jesse start talking. Deal? Oh, and you also wrote that shiat like racial profiling doesn't exist and discrimination don't exist. I guess the articles about racism are just a collection of isolated incidents.


3. There is NOTHING the white/asian/other community can do to stop this. It MUST be addressed by the black community

This is the one that bother me the most. Murder is a "black" problem? What happened to being an AMERICAN? Why should innocent black people be burdened with trying to correct the sins of those who feel disenfranchised when white people aren't held accountable for the contemptable people who also happen to be white...some who hold elected office? Why can you casually dismiss your fringe element as "white trash", while you insist that blacks have to own it every time a black person gets caught jaywalking? And why the hell should I think that you believe black people are equal when you hold these contradictory positions?


I guess, now is the time that someone will come in and talk about how I accept and defend violence. Smh. So, here's a pre-emptive, "no I do not".
 
2012-07-10 05:24:46 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: I like how when it's the Irish and the Italians committing murders in the name of organized crime, it's individual gang members at fault, yet when its black gangsters, its "black culture" at fault.


Well, it was their cultures fault, but then we decided to pretend those people were white, and it's been all downhill ever since.

whateversontv.files.wordpress.com

Look at how their culture glorifies getting money, flashy jewelry, expensive cars, and having sex with women. These people barely finished high school and you know not one will ever go to college.

That's just their culture though. Make me want to puke!
 
2012-07-10 05:26:15 PM

Rapmaster2000: PillsHere: vudukungfu: PillsHere: also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.

You think it was that recent. ???

You know how long it takes to develop the level of corruption that makes that town look like an outhouse upside down?
You bet go back to when they were laying out the original town lines.

I moved from Chicago in 2005, but I always thought it was a nice city when I lived there and I thought while maybe corrupt, Daley did a good job. He turned the city around from being the dumpy place it was in the 80's to being a re-vitalized hip and clean city. Just look at the Magnificent Mile, Grant Park/Millenium Park, the whole downtown area, etc. Now I don't know much about what's happened since I moved, but I know that taxes and unemployment have gone up just like everywhere else in the country so that's not really a surprise. However, the crime increase seems relatively recent.

Yeah, but you're not getting shot on North Michigan Ave. I hear this all the time about how X city is so dangerous because people who sell drugs get shot on a corner than I'll never go to. Wake me when it's Guadalajara and the shiat comes to you.

So anyway, I wonder what is happening with the gangs right now. Did someone get weak and another gang choose this time to steal their territory? Was a gang destablilized? Is there a power vacuum?


We just left last year, and shiat was coming to you. Random acid attacks. One guy got his throat slit (white guy) for no reason, and the attacker just stood there laughing. More violent CTA robberies. Increased rapes and break ins. Women were getting snatched and raped at CTA stops. More graffiti in our formerly graffiti free neighborhood.

I think saying it is gang violence is downplaying the situation, probably so the last 5 homeowners don't turn in their keys to quit getting assraped on taxes.
 
2012-07-10 05:28:18 PM

Janusdog: Rapmaster2000: PillsHere: vudukungfu: PillsHere: also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.

You think it was that recent. ???

You know how long it takes to develop the level of corruption that makes that town look like an outhouse upside down?
You bet go back to when they were laying out the original town lines.

I moved from Chicago in 2005, but I always thought it was a nice city when I lived there and I thought while maybe corrupt, Daley did a good job. He turned the city around from being the dumpy place it was in the 80's to being a re-vitalized hip and clean city. Just look at the Magnificent Mile, Grant Park/Millenium Park, the whole downtown area, etc. Now I don't know much about what's happened since I moved, but I know that taxes and unemployment have gone up just like everywhere else in the country so that's not really a surprise. However, the crime increase seems relatively recent.

Yeah, but you're not getting shot on North Michigan Ave. I hear this all the time about how X city is so dangerous because people who sell drugs get shot on a corner than I'll never go to. Wake me when it's Guadalajara and the shiat comes to you.

So anyway, I wonder what is happening with the gangs right now. Did someone get weak and another gang choose this time to steal their territory? Was a gang destablilized? Is there a power vacuum?

We just left last year, and shiat was coming to you. Random acid attacks. One guy got his throat slit (white guy) for no reason, and the attacker just stood there laughing. More violent CTA robberies. Increased rapes and break ins. Women were getting snatched and raped at CTA stops. More graffiti in our formerly graffiti free neighborhood.

I think saying it is gang violence is downplaying the situation, probably so the last 5 homeowners don't turn in their keys to quit getting assraped on taxes.


You in Cicero?
 
2012-07-10 05:31:42 PM

Rapmaster2000:

Well, there was only one story there.


I linked two separate mob incidents and the recent shooting..not sure what I'm missing?

WTF? They tried to buy a loosey on the beach, got their wallet swiped, fought the attackers, got beat up, chased the attackers, got beat up, chased the attackers, and got beat up.

I admire their dedication to getting beaten up.


You can't fix stupid, son.

DROxINxTHExWIND: *Rebuttal*


DRO, I don't know when it happened, but your posts (at least in my eyes) have changed from merely trolling to actually providing cogent arguments that, while I don't always agree with, are worth reading for another point of view. Bravo.

/Seriously
//ZERO snark intended
///Love fest off, Fark away
 
2012-07-10 05:34:10 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: Why can you casually dismiss your fringe element as "white trash", while you insist that blacks have to own it every time a black person gets caught jaywalking?


A lot of people get taken in by this idea that one person can speak, answer for, or represent a whole group. The attention whores who want to be this person don't help any. I'm thinking about the Jesse Jacksons of the world and the little leather pants wearing lisping teenage girl-acting faygs trying to speak with authority for all normal gay people types. If you accept one person can really represent a defined group then it's easy to believe one person can answer for the group as well.
 
2012-07-10 05:36:26 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Rapmaster2000:

Well, there was only one story there.

I linked two separate mob incidents and the recent shooting..not sure what I'm missing?IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Rapmaster2000:

Well, there was only one story there.

I linked two separate mob incidents and the recent shooting..not sure what I'm missing?

Ah, I see it now. the last word (summer) is the same link as the following link. Now, I found the other.
 
2012-07-10 05:37:18 PM

Janusdog: We just left last year, and shiat was coming to you. Random acid attacks. One guy got his throat slit (white guy) for no reason, and the attacker just stood there laughing. More violent CTA robberies. Increased rapes and break ins. Women were getting snatched and raped at CTA stops. More graffiti in our formerly graffiti free neighborhood


I've lived in Bucktown on the edge with the Logan Square/Humboldt Park border (the actual Bucktown, not the realtor-created "West Bucktown" that's in HP or LS) for the last 5 years and it all seems pretty much the same. Break-ins, the occasional robberies, the rapist every few years, graffiti, those fricking WEED WOLF stickers that end up on everything, but by far the biggest danger to me and my stuff is idiot drivers and cyclists who nearly run me over while I'm walking in a crosswalk.
 
2012-07-10 05:38:23 PM

vegasj: Bit'O'Gristle: ...


yup. and done.


Yup..On to the next thread.
 
2012-07-10 05:40:03 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: FarkinHostile: DROxINxTHExWIND: ChipNASA: They are Attractive and Successful Urban African American Entrepreneurs, amirite???

I hope they don't let this jackass get too close to the aliens. They might think we're all this stupid.



Problem is he has a point and you know it. Black on black murders are happening at an INSANE rate, mostly due to glorifying gang culture. Yes, there are a few asian gangs that do the same. Yes, its not ALL blacks, but it is a true stereotype, whither you want to admit it or not.

I live in a capital city. Just about every week there is a murder with a gun and it's almost always the same: Black on black, gang related. When the police try to crack down on suspected gang members, the civil rights activists cry racial profiling, racism and discrimination. Meanwhile young black men die by the hand of other young black men on a regular basis.

There is NOTHING the white/asian/other community can do to stop this. It MUST be addressed by the black community. They are killing their own in numbers that make the KKK smile from ear to ear.


Jesus Wept.



First, I'd like to welcome you back to being retarded. You were kind of agreeing with me on certain points for a while and I began to get worried. My immature personal attack aside, I'll take a sec to address some of your more ridiculous points:

1. "mostly due to glorifying gang culture"

So, we're going to discount generations of racism, segregation, and bigotry and blame it all on...rap songs? The anger in hip-hop is not the CAUSE of violence, it is the RESULT of living around it. Sure, people of ALL races gravitate to the "bad boy". It's why James Dean was popular. It's why Elvis' hips were a National outrage, it's why every 80s movie about a white high school had a "cool" kid who rode a motorcycle and smoked cigs. And it is why all of your little white nieces and nephews want to dress like Lil Wayne. Your position is that little white kids have the ability to listen to the music without effe ...


Well said, DRO...
 
2012-07-10 05:43:21 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Link

/Can tell you all about random moranic gang violence. Oh wait, they can't they are dead.


I thought that "white couple raped and killed by black gang" story was about the event here in Tulsa. Well, that's depressing.
WND still sucks, though.
 
2012-07-10 05:46:07 PM
Dro...you said it better than I can, and saved me a lot of typing. Cheers.
 
US1
2012-07-10 05:50:28 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: I got news for you. They have no morals, no sense of propriety, no decency, just a flat overwhelming idea of "macho gangsta" and a desire for easy money through robbery, extortion, drugs, and murder. You will NEVER be able to appeal to their sense of values, nor make them think "hey..we are hurting not only the african-american image, but innocent people are dying." They don't care. They are pussy gang bangers who's only strength lies in their numbers. That is why you don't see a "one on one" fight, it's 15 gang bangers jumping one guy. And you wont see them popping off carefully aimed shots at their rivals, they are gonna hose down the whole street like retards while they run by in their cars. Because they are too pussy to face down their enemies man to man. So...they spray and pray, and don't give a shiat about collateral damage and innocent victims. These are people with limited if no High School, or even grade school, who's vocabulary generally consists of "yo biatch, and motherfarker". To expect anything resembling any kind of social value or empathy for anyone but themselves is like wishing for a lottery win. You can wish in one hand and shiat in the other, but in the end, you end up with a handful of shiat. They care about their easy money, pussy, and cars, and their street cred, and nothing else.

So to all the gang bangers out there, you are all pussies who are nothing if not in a group of your other loser ilk, you are doomed to die young with a level of education of your average potato, and all you have in your sad pathetic lives are bloody drug money and violence, stupid gang signs that impress nobody, and a false sense of accomplishment. Well done, and way to represent, because as we all know..it's all about "how we look", not about what we've actually done with our lives.


us14.memecdn.com
 
2012-07-10 05:53:19 PM

Rapmaster2000: Janusdog: Rapmaster2000: PillsHere: vudukungfu: PillsHere: also seems that Chicago has gone into the shiatter since Daley left office.

You think it was that recent. ???

You know how long it takes to develop the level of corruption that makes that town look like an outhouse upside down?
You bet go back to when they were laying out the original town lines.

I moved from Chicago in 2005, but I always thought it was a nice city when I lived there and I thought while maybe corrupt, Daley did a good job. He turned the city around from being the dumpy place it was in the 80's to being a re-vitalized hip and clean city. Just look at the Magnificent Mile, Grant Park/Millenium Park, the whole downtown area, etc. Now I don't know much about what's happened since I moved, but I know that taxes and unemployment have gone up just like everywhere else in the country so that's not really a surprise. However, the crime increase seems relatively recent.

Yeah, but you're not getting shot on North Michigan Ave. I hear this all the time about how X city is so dangerous because people who sell drugs get shot on a corner than I'll never go to. Wake me when it's Guadalajara and the shiat comes to you.

So anyway, I wonder what is happening with the gangs right now. Did someone get weak and another gang choose this time to steal their territory? Was a gang destablilized? Is there a power vacuum?

We just left last year, and shiat was coming to you. Random acid attacks. One guy got his throat slit (white guy) for no reason, and the attacker just stood there laughing. More violent CTA robberies. Increased rapes and break ins. Women were getting snatched and raped at CTA stops. More graffiti in our formerly graffiti free neighborhood.

I think saying it is gang violence is downplaying the situation, probably so the last 5 homeowners don't turn in their keys to quit getting assraped on taxes.

You in Cicero?


No. Left the state. Lived downtown.
 
2012-07-10 05:55:28 PM

GQueue: Janusdog: We just left last year, and shiat was coming to you. Random acid attacks. One guy got his throat slit (white guy) for no reason, and the attacker just stood there laughing. More violent CTA robberies. Increased rapes and break ins. Women were getting snatched and raped at CTA stops. More graffiti in our formerly graffiti free neighborhood

I've lived in Bucktown on the edge with the Logan Square/Humboldt Park border (the actual Bucktown, not the realtor-created "West Bucktown" that's in HP or LS) for the last 5 years and it all seems pretty much the same. Break-ins, the occasional robberies, the rapist every few years, graffiti, those fricking WEED WOLF stickers that end up on everything, but by far the biggest danger to me and my stuff is idiot drivers and cyclists who nearly run me over while I'm walking in a crosswalk.


Wicker Park, and the incidents I was talking about were in our area.
 
2012-07-10 06:05:14 PM

ideamaster: The strict gun laws in Chicago are working out so well. [For the criminals]


Sadly, there are people here who are blaming the high murder rate on citizens being allowed to legally own handguns now!
 
2012-07-10 06:07:20 PM

lennavan: jdamaral: Essentially, "Hey, we're not giving up on trying to stop the violence, but it would be much appreciated if you gangbangers could simply kill one another rather than innocent citizens who have nothing to do with your criminal activities or 'beefs.'"

There was a letter to the editor of the Chicago Tribune a few days back suggesting the solution is to have the police offer free target practice and aiming lessons for all gangbangers. That way, not only would they stop killing the innocents but they'd start killing each other more often too.


That could make for a great sting operation!
 
2012-07-10 06:08:29 PM

The_Sponge: Callous: If I were a Chicago cop I wouldn't want to be giving pointers to the arseholes that might later on be shooting at me.


Seriously....I want to know what kind of an idiot sent that letter to the editor.


The same nitwits who comment at the Tribune's site, questioning why (I swear to god) doctors were giving practical advice on how quickly a toddler can drown in an inch of water. "Why aren't safety professionals talking about this!" You mean...doctors?
 
2012-07-10 06:10:23 PM

FarkinHostile:
Jesus Wept.


You would, too, if you were nailed to a giant cross!
 
2012-07-10 06:12:55 PM
Well Rahm has already given $1,000,000 to know gangbangers and Chicago police superintendent Garry McCarthy has already blamed the pilgrims and white police officers for all these problems so what else could they possibly do? Maybe they should make guns more illegal since that's working so well.
 
2012-07-10 06:15:28 PM

ideamaster: The strict gun laws in Chicago are working out so well. [For the criminals]


Then why do the gang members kill each other so much? Shouldn't they be the safest people?
 
2012-07-10 06:16:55 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I guess, now is the time that someone will come in and talk about how I accept and defend violence. Smh. So, here's a pre-emptive, "no I do not".


I don't think you accept or defend violence, although I do think you instinctively white knight (?) every bad apple from your community. And yes, I do say your community. If I were to drag my soapbox to the sidewalk of MLK blvd and start telling people what they need to do, how much traction do you think I'd get? They wouldn't see me as any more part of their community as I do. So its on you guys.

Your whole rebuttal you posted has some fair points. But it boils down to "We don't have to change anything because YOU'RE a racist." How well has that policy been working out?

And, dude, cut the shiat about rap music. You're telling me that idolizing real life gang bangers who rap about a glorified, fantasy gang life, isn't going to make an impression on the kids who listen to it? Listening to Metal as a teenager made me interested in the occult (a phase thankfully), and that isn't even real.

In the end, as much as suburban and wealthy people wring their hands about gang violence, it doesn't really affect them. I walk by drug slingers and gangbangers in downtown Seattle every single day and not one of them has farked with me yet. They don't want the hassle. So, fark it. If you don't want to take any ownership of the problem in YOUR neighborhoods, then continue to watch your young men get gunned down or waste their lives in prison.
 
2012-07-10 06:18:55 PM

MoeSzyslak: Well Rahm has already given $1,000,000 to know gangbangers and Chicago police superintendent Garry McCarthy has already blamed the pilgrims and white police officers for all these problems so what else could they possibly do? Maybe they should make guns more illegal since that's working so well.


Rahm and McCarthy are pieces of shiat.
 
2012-07-10 06:20:38 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: So, we're going to discount generations of racism, segregation, and bigotry and blame it all on...rap songs?


You aren't getting an affirmative action pass on the blame whitey argument. There is far less racism, bigotry, and segregation today than say at the turn of the last century*, yet "the black family" was way stronger and intact then than it is today. If you think white people are more responsible for the "black achievement/crime/income/etc gap" than the life decisions made by individual black people every single day, you've got a screw loose. At the same time there is no collective blame. If you taught a child racism will keep them down, then you are the one who planted a built-in excuse for that child to give up and blame whitey or those oppressive Asian store owners.

*As if I need to provide a link...
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1261
 
2012-07-10 06:26:29 PM
Sounds like Hizzonor could use a community organizer to help him out.

Let's send him this one:

www.newsrealblog.com
 
2012-07-10 06:30:32 PM
Yakk:

The gang member wasn't shot by a law abiding citizen. Hence the criminals still have the advantage.


--trollfood: http://voices.yahoo.com/gun-free-zones-free-killing-zones-313032.html
 
2012-07-10 06:42:03 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: This is the one that bother me the most. Murder is a "black" problem? What happened to being an AMERICAN?


Here's the thing -- you hate the "American" solutions, too. Treating everyone equally in the eyes of the law will still result in more young black men in jail, because the rate of violent crime among blacks is per capita higher than every other race, by significant multiples. Likewise, any allocation of police time and effort based upon crime rates will involve placing an overwhelming disparity of force into black neighborhoods.

You've condemned both practices in previous threads as racist. What other choice is left?
 
2012-07-10 06:58:46 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: DROxINxTHExWIND: So, we're going to discount generations of racism, segregation, and bigotry and blame it all on...rap songs?

You aren't getting an affirmative action pass on the blame whitey argument. There is far less racism, bigotry, and segregation today than say at the turn of the last century*, yet "the black family" was way stronger and intact then than it is today. If you think white people are more responsible for the "black achievement/crime/income/etc gap" than the life decisions made by individual black people every single day, you've got a screw loose. At the same time there is no collective blame. If you taught a child racism will keep them down, then you are the one who planted a built-in excuse for that child to give up and blame whitey or those oppressive Asian store owners.

*As if I need to provide a link...
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=1261


Collective blame only seems to work in one direction. You see each and every white person is to blame for the racism of generations past and the racism of a tiny minority of whites today. While on the other hand the fact that the black community has created and allowed to be tolerated a culture that glorifies ignorance, criminality and hatred and has made "Daddy" a mythological figure akin to Santa Clause and the Easter bunny is the fault of white racism or at most just the individuals who made the decisions to have a bunch of fatherless children and shoot at each other. There can never be any collective blame for anyone other than whites. To admit any sort of collective blame would devalue a built in excuse for any and all shortcomings and any slights real or imagined. Why would anyone want to do that when it's so goddamn easy to just blame whitey?
 
2012-07-10 07:18:46 PM

Big_Fat_Liar: You aren't getting an affirmative action pass on the blame whitey argument. There is far less racism, bigotry, and segregation today than say at the turn of the last century*, yet "the black family" was way stronger and intact then than it is today. If you think white people are more responsible for the "black achievement/crime/income/etc gap" than the life decisions made by individual black people every single day, you've got a screw loose. At the same time there is no collective blame. If you taught a child racism will keep them down, then you are the one who planted a built-in excuse for that child to give up and blame whitey or those oppressive Asian store owners.


This. The black family has traditionally been very strong and responsible for the race as a whole getting through terrible times in slavery and segregation.

If there is a direct causation between white racism and the failure of many blacks in general, why is the breakdown of the black family and the corresponding increase in black-crime, poor education, broken families, unemployment, and poverty continuing....as white racism decreases?
There was a time when a large portion of whites purposely acted against the interests of black through slavery, segregation and the like. One should think that at that time, with the white race being so set against them, blacks would have been at their worst. And yet, black families were stronger than ever. Over the century as white racism decreased and laws were even passed to protect and lift up blacks....things got worse for them. Why? Why as white racism decreased did things get worse for blacks? You can't blame their problems one whites without answering that.
 
2012-07-10 07:38:26 PM

ideamaster: --trollfood: http://voices.yahoo.com/gun-free-zones-free-killing-zones-313032.html


"A Free Republic poster named VRWCmember put it best..."

I'm out.
 
2012-07-10 07:40:31 PM

taurusowner: Evil Mackerel: Voiceofreason01: Evil Mackerel: Makes you miss Daley doesn't it?
/as to which one either will do.

because the strong-arm tactics, gestapo crap and "old-boys club"/mafia politics in no way contributed to Chicago's issues today.

Funny, hes not republican.

Say what you want, but there's a reason decades-long Democrat strongholds like Detroit and Chicago turn into cesspools. Their policies don't work. God bless some of them for their good intentions, but the policies just don't work. Driving away business, taking more money out of the pockets of consumers, inflating bureaucracies and administrations with corruption and graft while promoting racial and class strife and disarming the populace just is not they way to make a city thrive.


Stop making sense! Not allowed on Fark!
 
2012-07-10 07:54:43 PM

MoeSzyslak: Well Rahm has already given $1,000,000 to know gangbangers and Chicago police superintendent Garry McCarthy has already blamed the pilgrims and white police officers for all these problems so what else could they possibly do? Maybe they should make guns more illegal since that's working so well.


Rahm should just blame Bush! It worked for him when he was in DC.
 
2012-07-10 08:08:51 PM

praymantis: MoeSzyslak: Well Rahm has already given $1,000,000 to know gangbangers and Chicago police superintendent Garry McCarthy has already blamed the pilgrims and white police officers for all these problems so what else could they possibly do? Maybe they should make guns more illegal since that's working so well.

Rahm should just blame Bush! It worked for him when he was in DC.


Don't think he and his people haven't already had brainstorming sessions trying to find any possible way to link these problems to Bush. Compared to some of the things his brain trust has already come up with blaming Bush wouldn't even be a stretch. Some how something some pilgrims did almost four hundred years ago has a direct correlation with young blacks of today criminally acquiring guns and shooting one another because their group of friends with a funny group name don't get along with a different group of friends with a funny group name from the next block over for entirely contrived reasons. Damn pilgrims!
 
2012-07-10 08:50:12 PM

lennavan:


I don't think you are a horrible person, I just think you do not live in Chicago and have no idea what you are talking about but decided to post anyways. That doesn't make you horrible, it makes you stupid.


Whew that's a relief.

Especially the Chicago part.
 
2012-07-10 09:06:31 PM

I Browse: Dro...you said it better than I can, and saved me a lot of typing. Cheers.


You took the words right outa my mouth..
(doodeedoonotes icantmakethem i'monm'fone)
 
2012-07-10 10:05:52 PM
But Socialism!
 
2012-07-10 10:28:37 PM
I read this on a message board a while back. While it's a little off topic, I thought it was a good post and relevant enough to be worth sharing here.

Note: It's rather long, so I've edited it a bit, but not much. I know, it's still a "Holy wall of text Batman!", so if you're not up for reading all of it, at least read the last two paragraphs, I have italicized and underlined it for you to make it easy to find.

********************************************************************* * ********************************************************************** ***********************************************

"Background

First, my info. I worked in the street of one of America's most violent, dangerous cities for 15 years. I usually worked in the worst part of that city. I spent 15 years in patrol. I liked patrol. It was wild. Most of the time I worked in areas covered in ghetto. By that I mean large housing projects combined with run down slum housing. I have worked all shifts. Later I became an investigator including a robbery investigator. I have spent countless hours in interrogation rooms talking to hold up men. I know them. I am still an investigator but have quit playing the Robbery game because my family was starting to forget what I looked like.


The Enemy

Some may object to me calling hold up men "the enemy". You can call them whatever you like. I can assure you however they are as deadly an enemy as you will find anywhere but the battlefield. Even many soldiers probably lack the viciousness and utter disregard for life most hold up men possess.

No one wakes up in the morning one day and decides to become an armed robber. It is a gradual process that requires some experience and desensitizing. Before a man will pick up a gun and threaten to kill people who have done him no harm in order to get their usually meager possessions he has to get comfortable with some things.

He has to get used to seeing others as objects for him to exploit. He has to accept he may be killed while robbing. He has to accept the felony conviction for Robbery will haunt him all his life. He has to accept he may need to kill a completely innocent person to get away with his crime.

This is a process that starts with stealing candy at the corner store as a child. It progresses through bigger property crimes that may also involve violence. But one day G gets tired of selling his stolen property for nothing and decides it would be better to steal cash. Cut out all that tiresome sales stuff.


Keep in mind many petty thieves, auto burglars, residential and commercial burglars, paper thieves, and hustlers will get to that point and decide not to become armed robbers. Most will. It is a special group of outliers who decide threatening to kill people for a few dollars is the way to go.

Once a man starts armed robbing he has crossed a line most won't. Don't forget that when you are looking these bastards in the eye. Their decision to kill you is already made. Your life means nothing to him. Only his does. His sole motivation for not killing you is he doesn't want a murder case. He has already accepted he may pick one up though.

We hunt hold up men around the clock once they are identified. We send teams of fire breathing fence jumper/door kickers to find them. We will bring their mother to the office and convince her she is going to jail if we don't have Junior in our office in an hour. We have her call her son crying hysterically for him to turn himself in before she is arrested and held without bond as a material witness and her home seized for harboring him. Most of the time they won't. fark their own momma.

We will hit all Juniors friends and family's houses. We make it so no one will harbor him. He is so hot no one will let him in their house or even talk on the phone with him. We put money on him so he knows he is right to be betrayed and set up. We do this because of one thing.

That thing is they WILL kill someone if they keep robbing. That is why the city is willing to pay all the overtime. They don't want the murders. Think about that when you see Junior coming. The more robberies he does the closer he is to killing someone. Maybe you.

The guys who hit you on the street are gang members. They are Gangster Disciples, Vice Lords, Crips, Sureonos, many others. They do not see themselves as part of society. The street is all they know. They don't expect to live long or stay out of prison. They take a delight in your fear and suffering. They are warped individuals for the most part. They can be extremely dangerous.

One time we were locking up a hold up man and having a conversation about how they target their victims. I was saying they pick easy ones, another guy was saying they preferred easy ones but would take anybody.

I pointed out a uniform Officer there was an NFL size guy to that hold up man. Frankly the dude was a monster. I asked hold up man if he would rob him. He said "If I needed the money".


You

Chances are good you are a law abiding person except for maybe a little light weed smoking and maybe driving a little drunk every once in a while. Most of your life you have been taught to be nice and don't point guns at people. You are the exact opposite of your enemy who was taught just the opposite. Remember a lot of street life is like prison life. Who's the man is everything. Violence is the currency of the street.

You do not possess total disregard for the lives of others and do not want to kill anyone. You are concerned about the ramifications of shooting someone. Your family, your possessions and finances on the line. Your enemy has none of these concerns.

The laws that keep you from carrying your gun in bars or where ever mean nothing to your enemy. Your reluctance to shoot someone works to is advantage. His greater experience in street violence and the element of surprise is on his side.

Everyone should call their local FBI office and get a copy of Law Enforcement Officers Killed and Assaulted. When it first came out it was ground breaking because it demonstrated to academics and other elites what street police knew all along. What did it show in interviews with cop killers? Nice guys finish dead. That's right. Most of those offenders commented that the Officer they killed set himself up to be killed because of reluctance to use force early in the encounter.

You can probably find it on line now. A lot of the victim Officers were a lot like a lot of other people, normal people. They were the opposite of their enemy.

Am I advocating becoming the enemy? No. I am saying the person who is robbing you has certain traits, attitudes, and background. That is all.


Dynamics of Encounters

Hold up men target victims on the street in an impulsive, opportunistic manner. They see someone and make a quick judgment call on whether to rob them. The time between when you are targeted and they are on you isn't long. Therefore, situational awareness is everything.

If you see G coming you are in good shape. If you don't you will be the victim who says "He came out of nowhere". No he didn't. There are many tricks to watching out but simply watching your back is the main thing. Watch your back. If you do it enough it becomes second nature and you won't even realize you are doing it.

Watching out is great but unfortunately many self defense courses stop there. You have parked you car in a well lit area, are aware of your surroundings, and looky here, here comes three guys across the parking lot and they start to kind of fan out.

When you lock eyes with G the very first thing you need to do it indicate you have a weapon. It doesn't matter if you do or not. If you are a woman put your gun hand in your purse and keep it there. If you are a man fan your shirt or coat tail with your gun hand. Make it clear to dude you are mentally prepared to draw and making sure your gun is clear. This will many times result in an about face by dude. It is the single best robbery avoidance tactic IMHO.

Not long ago I was walking down the sidewalk in my town to go get my car. I was holding a folding chair in my gun hand. A car slow rolled past me with 4 heads in it. The guys in the back seat turned around as they went by looking at me. They went a little farther and U turned in the street.

Here they come back. As they started to slow down I looked at them with as contemptuous a look as I could muster and switched the chair to my left hand and flicked my shirt tail with my right hand. They just drove on mad dogging me.

In another case I was at a Christmas party and walked a girl to her car about 3 am. As we said our good-byes two guys were walking across the parking lot. One went behind a dumpster. I though he was peeing. He came out from behind the dumpster with a bottle.

As they got closer I stepped clear of that girl and unzipped my jacket at those two guys. When I did the guy threw down the bottle and they walked by cussing at me. If someone challenges you after you indicate you are armed say "I don't have a gun". Then they will know you do.

Here is an opposite story. A girl my brother knows was walking her dog when a guy approached her. She was polite. Mistake. He talked to her about the dog and said she had pretty hair and reached out and touched her hair. She did not slap his hand down or aggressively object. Mistake. He asked her if her dog bit and she said "No". At that time he slapped the shiat out of her, drug her into a wooded area, and raped her.

The answer in the street is always "No". Can I ask you something? No. Do you have a cigarette? No. Can you tell me what time it is? No. The answer is always "No". Don't be nice. Stop the encounter as soon as it starts.


When to draw

Despite warnings I often see on the Net I have yet to encounter an instance in which a hold up man called the police to report his intended victim threatened to shoot him. Thugs do not want to come into contact with the police. They may already be wanted or realize chances are good they have been identified in a recent robbery. Or what ever. They are not going to call the police if you draw on them.



Supposed two guys are approaching you in a parking lot and do the classic fan out maneuver. You indicate you have a weapon by clearing your gun hand and fanning your jacket at them. They are not discouraged. DRAW!

I am not saying you should pull your gun out, assume a Weaver stance, and scream "That's close enough motherfarkers!" What I am saying is draw your gun and hold it beside your leg as you start to move to cover. I am very fond of telephone poles. Anything will do though. They will see this. They will remember they have to be somewhere else. They will not call the police.

Then you can just put your gun back in the holster and go back to whatever you were doing like nothing happened. Why? Because nothing did happen. A happening is when shots are fired.

Do not hesitate to draw. If you are somewhere you are supposed to be and someone appears who is not supposed to be there like a closed business show him the end of your gun. Could it be Mother Teresa looking for her lost cat behind your closed business? No it is some motherfarker up to no good. He won't call the police to report he was prowling a location when a guy ran him off.


When to shoot

The time to shoot is immediately upon seeing his weapon. You are not a police man who has to try to arrest the guy. No need to scream at him. No exposure while you yell for him to drop the gun.

In deer hunting the experienced hunter takes the first good shot. May not be the perfect shot but it never is. Novices pass up a doable shot waiting for a better shot and then the deer is gone. Take the first good shot you are offered. Hopefully your alertness and hostile cues will prevent you ever having to fire. But once you see his weapon, shoot.

If a guy is coming at you with a gun in his hand shoot him. Shoot him right then. If you don't shoot first you may not shoot at all. I have known more than one person who was shot and received life changing injuries and also shot their attacker. Their only regret was not shooting sooner. Like Bill Jordan said "Nothing disturbs your enemy's aim like a slug delivered to the belt buckle area".


Guns and weapons

The handgun is the best weapon you can carry easily. I understand it is not always possible to have one due to laws, restrictions, whatever. I am not telling anyone to disregard laws about carrying weapons. Each person has to decide for themselves what they are comfortable with. I will say there is no substitute for a pistol when you need one.


Also if you can not be trusted with a pistol after a few drinks you can't be trusted with a pistol period. Booze is liquid bad judgment no doubt but it shouldn't make you into a damn moron. If you are a moron sober I don't know what to tell you.

Types of guns and ammo are always debated and probably always will be. I have seen people shot with all common calibers. My conclusion is if you hit someone between the collar bone and the tip of their ribs three times with anything, they are handled. Bigger is better but something is better than nothing. Get your front sight on his shirt and stay on him as long as he is standing with whatever gun you have.

Just have a gun with sure fire ammo. Draw early and fire immediately upon seeing his weapon. That course of action is about all you can do to up your odds of ending things favorably. Guns like the Ruger LC9, SIG 239, Glock 26/27 are examples of guns small enough to carry but with enough power and capacity to be useful. Do not be afraid to use a French Lebelle if that is the only gun you have. A gun is a gun. I like a Glock 19.


Training

We all want the best training. It can be expensive if you are having to pay for it and it can be hard to find the time to do it. There is a whole lot of BS out there. What can you do? Boobiesol handling is not rocket surgery. If you will learn the basics and practice on your own you can be fine. Smooth draw, quick pairs, reload. If you know those things well you can be OK.

I know a young man who shot down two hold up men in 2010 at very close range while he and his GF were walking home from the store. He in Wyatt Earp like fashion ignored the fire coming from the gunman and killed him and wounded his accomplice. He nor his GF were injured. He like many was willing to give them the money until he picked up on nonverbal cues that because of his GF they were not quite satisfied with the money. He had a Glock 27.

He had only the most basic of training in gun handling but did do some draws and some dry fire a couple times a week and live fired maybe once a month. That basic skill combined with knowing what to do was enough. He shot at the first possible moment despite having let the guys get the drop on them. When the gunman turned his head because a car drove by that was the opening. A split second is a long time sometimes.

Work on some one hand shooting at close range. That is a skill not as popular as it once was and you want to use two hands when you can. Often you can find yourself doing something with your off hand though so be able to shoot with one hand out to 5 yards or so.


After

If it comes to pass you are forced to shoot someone do not feel bad. When the police come just tell them a guy threatened you with deadly force and you were forced to fire. I know there are bad police out there in some parts of the country who don't support self defense. I can't help you with that.

Do not talk to them until you have your attorney present. Now most young guys don't have an attorney on retainer and you may have no idea who to call. That is OK. You will figure it out but in the mean time don't talk about what happened other than to say you were forced to fire. You don't have to be an asshole just remember wait for your attorney.

Hopefully you will not give a statement for a couple days. Remember if you are put in jail that doesn't mean you are charged. Most places can hold you 48 or 72 hours on a felony before charging you or letting you go. Breath deep and get an attorney.

Expect to never get your gun back. You may get it back one day but maybe not. Do not buy expensive guns for the street. Buy yourself a nice sporting gun if you want a nice gun. Keep your street guns basic. The factory Model 10 Smith and the GI 45 have done a lot of work over the years and aren't fancy.


Worlds

We all live in different worlds. My world is filled with felons and gang members. Violence is common place. No one would be surprised if one of their friends called and said they shot a hold up man at a place of business or parking lot. In the past when I made calls the fact that the guy who is beating his GF is also on parole for 2nd degree murder flavored my world.

You may live in a smaller, less violent place where shootings seldom occur and it would be a rare to shoot a hold up man. I envy you and will be moving to a place like your town as soon as I can.

But be advised no matter where you are a hold man is going to be about the same. Whether he is a home boy or a guy who just exited the interstate into your town and needs some quick money. He is going to have a vicious streak and no regard for your life. Treat him like he treats you.

Giving them the money, doing what they say, all that may work but there is no guarantee. If you have never read Jeff Cooper's book The Principles of Personal Defense I suggest you order a copy immediately. It is a short book but summarizes a lot of important things.

Last year we had a trial here regarding an armed robbery that occurred. Three or four guys took a young couple from a parking garage near a college out by some railroad tracks where they raped, shot, and beat them. Their lives will never be the same.

The lesser thugs all turned on the trigger man at trial. The trigger man's statement in the paper was after all that had happened he felt like he was a victim. Think about that. That is the mindset you are up against.
 
2012-07-10 10:50:22 PM
lennavan
Overnight, a 1-year-old child sleeping in bed was wounded in the head by a bullet fired from outside.
Link
Now granted, I'm assuming the one year old didn't join a gang. Perhaps you are right and the one year old was a great talker, gang banger, and was going snitch.


The important thing is that the one year old would still be alive had he been allowed to carry a gun.
 
2012-07-10 11:14:29 PM
cuzsis

Dude, really? I strained my finger scrolling past all of that sh*t that I didn't want to read.
 
2012-07-11 12:33:07 AM
You shouldn't scroll past it. It's one of the most accurate descriptions of armed robbery and the people who commit it ever put to words.
 
2012-07-11 12:44:06 AM
Forced sterilizations. Put a sterilizing chemical into their drugs and plant people to sell it on the corners. Done
 
2012-07-11 12:47:25 AM

taurusowner: You shouldn't scroll past it. It's one of the most accurate descriptions of armed robbery and the people who commit it ever put to words.


The it should have been linked if it's that long, with credit given to the original author.
 
2012-07-11 01:14:35 AM
Wait, you mean Rahm's speed cameras didn't help?
 
2012-07-11 02:24:58 AM
I can generally tell the different between a gang banger and a regular harmless black dude. The dreadlocked IT guy at work who dresses like Prince, he's harmless. Those three dudes slinking along in an alley looking at me with too much interest late at night, farking scary.

I lived in the hood, the worst part of the Peoria IL hood. I used to literally RUN back and forth from my car to the door. I wanted to put up metal bars on the windows with a safety release, bullet proof glass and a metal door frame, but I moved out before I had invested the money.

Once I lost my cat and walked to the edge of my backyard neighbors' section 8 house. Some young gangbanger wanted to shoot me because he thought I was a narc but another gangbanger stopped him, obviously because illegal things were going on in the house and if a normal-looking white guy was shot they were done for. Oddly, later that night I was taking out the trash and saw a Cadillac drive by and wipe out everyone in the house (they were all on the porch, or so I saw when they tried to jump off the side where I could see them). That house sat empty for awhile.

Houses in the ghetto are dirt cheap, and are better than being homeless, but if you have any other options, please follow it.

I feel sorry for all the good blacks that get judged based on the actions of the bad ones. That is the root of racism and it sucks. Where is the motivation to be like Eddie Murphy, Bill Cosby and Will Smith if everyone thinks you are a murderer just because you are black?

Living in the ghetto scarred me. I'm not more tough now. I treat traveling through or living in the ghetto like a solider would in No Mans Land. Of course the gang violence is all my fault, because I'm white or something. You don't see this kind of violence in dirt-poor white neighborhoods. Racism is no excuse what what gangbangers do; it IS bad genetics (violent, low-IQ, risk-taking genes handed down from criminal to criminal).
 
2012-07-11 04:14:16 AM

bel4sucks: taurusowner: You shouldn't scroll past it. It's one of the most accurate descriptions of armed robbery and the people who commit it ever put to words.

The it should have been linked if it's that long, with credit given to the original author.


The copy/paste was done for a very specific reasons.

/that's really all I'm going to say.
 
2012-07-11 08:17:59 AM
I really tried to give your post above some merit DROxINxTHExWIND and then I wake up this morning to read this. So much for your rhetoric.

Link
 
2012-07-11 08:53:12 AM
the wonders of gun free zones
 
2012-07-11 10:22:14 AM

Joe Blowme: the wonders of gun free zones


So armed gang members are shooting and killing other armed gang members, but somehow more guns is the answer? Isn't it obvious that the prospect of getting shot at is not a deterrent for this sort of behavior?
 
2012-07-11 10:50:51 AM

SeaMonkey311: Forced sterilizations. Put a sterilizing chemical into their drugs and plant people to sell it on the corners. Done


Better yet, make even the smallest doses lethal. Flood the streets with them. Anyone dumb enough to take it deserves what they get.
 
2012-07-11 11:05:24 AM

WhiskeySticks: SeaMonkey311: Forced sterilizations. Put a sterilizing chemical into their drugs and plant people to sell it on the corners. Done

Better yet, make even the smallest doses lethal. Flood the streets with them. Anyone dumb enough to take it deserves what they get.


TO THE LAB!
 
2012-07-11 11:35:46 AM

One Bad Apple: lennavan:


I don't think you are a horrible person, I just think you do not live in Chicago and have no idea what you are talking about but decided to post anyways. That doesn't make you horrible, it makes you stupid.


Whew that's a relief.

Especially the Chicago part.


Yeah definitely. Two more girls, 12 and 13 years old, were shot in Chicago yesterday while you were on Fark.com posting.

But the car made another pass and someone inside opened fire, hitting Shorter's 13-year-old daughter and a 12-year-old friend at about 8 p.m. Tuesday on the 1300 block of West 117th Street.

Police say the girls were not the intended targets, and they were investigating whether the gunman fired on a passing car and hit them instead as they walked from Cooper Park. Authorities said the shooting occurred in an area at the center of an internal conflict involving the Gangster Disciples street gang.


Two girls, in a group of four girls, at 8PM, walking home from a park. They were probably gang bangers on drugs though, amirite?
 
2012-07-11 12:37:35 PM

cuzsis: Last year we had a trial here regarding an armed robbery that occurred. Three or four guys took a young couple from a parking garage near a college out by some railroad tracks where they raped, shot, and beat them. Their lives will never be the same.


If you're talking about Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom in Knoxville, TN you're absolutely right that their lives will never be the same, because they are dead.

Christopher Newsom was sodomized with an object, blind folded, gagged, bound, dragged to the railroad tracks where he was beaten, and shot multiple times from behind in the head, neck and back. Then his body was set on fire.

Channon Christian was tortured and raped for hours, orally, vaginally and rectally before having bleach poured into her throat, bound, wrapped in trash bags and thrown in a trash bin alive. She died slowly of suffocation.
 
2012-07-11 12:47:16 PM

heili skrimsli: cuzsis: Last year we had a trial here regarding an armed robbery that occurred. Three or four guys took a young couple from a parking garage near a college out by some railroad tracks where they raped, shot, and beat them. Their lives will never be the same.

If you're talking about Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom in Knoxville, TN you're absolutely right that their lives will never be the same, because they are dead.

Christopher Newsom was sodomized with an object, blind folded, gagged, bound, dragged to the railroad tracks where he was beaten, and shot multiple times from behind in the head, neck and back. Then his body was set on fire.

Channon Christian was tortured and raped for hours, orally, vaginally and rectally before having bleach poured into her throat, bound, wrapped in trash bags and thrown in a trash bin alive. She died slowly of suffocation.


I don't know if you've been following the recent developments of this case but the guilty verdicts of the assholes responsible for these crimes were thrown out because the judge that presided over their trials had a drug problem.

Link
 
2012-07-11 01:31:29 PM

MoeSzyslak: heili skrimsli: cuzsis: Last year we had a trial here regarding an armed robbery that occurred. Three or four guys took a young couple from a parking garage near a college out by some railroad tracks where they raped, shot, and beat them. Their lives will never be the same.

If you're talking about Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom in Knoxville, TN you're absolutely right that their lives will never be the same, because they are dead.

Christopher Newsom was sodomized with an object, blind folded, gagged, bound, dragged to the railroad tracks where he was beaten, and shot multiple times from behind in the head, neck and back. Then his body was set on fire.

Channon Christian was tortured and raped for hours, orally, vaginally and rectally before having bleach poured into her throat, bound, wrapped in trash bags and thrown in a trash bin alive. She died slowly of suffocation.

I don't know if you've been following the recent developments of this case but the guilty verdicts of the assholes responsible for these crimes were thrown out because the judge that presided over their trials had a drug problem.

Link


What a charming new development.

And this is why Pennsylvania considers homicide justifiable if you have reasonable fear that you are being kidnapped.
 
2012-07-11 01:51:36 PM
DRO: I guess, now is the time that someone will come in and talk about how I accept and defend violence. Smh. So, here's a pre-emptive, "no I do not".


bim1154: I really tried to give your post above some merit DROxINxTHExWIND and then I wake up this morning to read this. So much for your rhetoric.

Link



I guess you're the guy. Congrats.
 
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