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(The Daily Beast)   In case you're confused about the terminology, here's the deal: When taxes are raised for rich people, it's "class warfare". When taxes are cut for rich people, it's "free market". Savvy?   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 100
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2012-07-10 11:06:06 AM
Here's the ideal Republican tax plan:

1) Every living person, no matter their age or health, is charged $30,000 on April 15 and required to pay in full.
2) Individuals who pay have no further obligation.
3) Individuals who do not pay are arrested and thrown in a gulag to work off their debt for the year.
 
2012-07-10 11:07:24 AM
Yep, If you are middle class and try to limit your tax burden you are committing class warfare if you are super rich you are a good businessman.
 
2012-07-10 11:07:26 AM
The joke is that Romney is embracing Bush policies and Bush officials.

... It is a joke, right? People will actually notice and decide NOT to vote for the guy that wants to continue the economic destruction of the country?

Oh God... some people are too stupid to notice.
 
2012-07-10 11:08:48 AM
Addendum: when corporations get subsidies, it's called "encouraging innovation". When poor people get subsidies, we're "perpetuating a culture of dependency".
 
2012-07-10 11:09:12 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: The joke is that Romney is embracing Bush policies and Bush officials.

... It is a joke, right? People will actually notice and decide NOT to vote for the guy that wants to continue the economic destruction of the country?

Oh God... some people are too stupid to notice.


Yes but Obama hates America, so it's okay!
 
2012-07-10 11:11:14 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: The joke is that Romney is embracing Bush policies and Bush officials.

... It is a joke, right? People will actually notice and decide NOT to vote for the guy that wants to continue the economic destruction of the country?

Oh God... some people are too stupid to notice.


It's not that they don't notice, it's that they Hate President Obama that much.
They Hate him with every fiber of their being.
They Hate him with a capital H.
And they HATE the fact that they lost to a n****r.
 
2012-07-10 11:12:27 AM
"Of all forms of tyranny the least attractive and the most vulgar is the tyranny of mere wealth, the tyranny of plutocracy." - Theodore Roosevelt
 
2012-07-10 11:15:34 AM
When a Republican signs a pledge to not raise taxes, it's called "standing on principle". When those same Republicans call for raising taxes on the poorest Americans, it's called "standing on principle".

When a Republican calls for making gay marriage illegal, that's called "protecting freedom". When that same Republican calls for getting the government out of peoples' lives, that's called "protecting freedom".

GOP: We use singlethink, because doublethink is too hard.
 
2012-07-10 11:16:27 AM
Taxes are all f*cked up but I have yet to hear a politician respond to my voice. I pay a penalty due to the fact I am single, childless, and do not own a home.

Trust me, world, you don't want or need me to be married or have kids. Home ownership? Maybe someday.

I have zero sympathy for anyone who biatches about the healthcare tax as long as I must suffer these penalties.
 
2012-07-10 11:16:41 AM

Serious Black: Here's the ideal Republican tax plan:

1) Every living person, no matter their age or health, is charged $30,000 on April 15 and required to pay in full.
2) Individuals who pay have no further obligation.
3) Individuals who do not pay are arrested and thrown in a gulag to work off their debt for the year.


But they Damn well better come up with the $30,000 for next year on time or the government will have to add it it to their debt so they can keep some skin in the game.
 
2012-07-10 11:17:00 AM

Headso: Yep, If you are middle class and try to limit your tax burden you are committing class warfare if you are super rich you are a good businessman.


Also a major campaign contributor.
 
2012-07-10 11:17:58 AM

Dr Dreidel: When a Republican signs a pledge to not raise taxes, it's called "standing on principle". When those same Republicans call for raising taxes on the poorest Americans, it's called "standing on principle".


Heh... Or as they like to call it, "Having Skin In The Game".

(Just not that healthy, golden brown skin one gets from visiting one's money in the Cayman Islands.)
 
2012-07-10 11:18:12 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: The joke is that Romney is embracing Bush policies and Bush officials.

... It is a joke, right? People will actually notice and decide NOT to vote for the guy that wants to continue the economic destruction of the country?

Oh God... some people are too stupid to notice.


When you have an entire subset of the population who insist on spelling the President's name wrong so that they sound like a group of ignorant school children and refuse to listen to things like "read the actual bill" or cannot and will not actually critically think things through, then yes, you encounter exactly what we're going through now.

And just to add: let's be truthful. There was a large number of lefties during the Bush years doing this, but after 2010 it's overtaken the right's dialogue almost entirely. My facebook feed to clogged up with infantile morons spelling Obama's name "Obumer" or "0bama". I've never seen this kiddie shiat on such a scale.

And that's why Romney has people voting for him.
 
2012-07-10 11:21:47 AM
Fox News went ballistic last night about class warfare.

They say it doesnt affect 98% of people, but we will all suffer.

O Reilly did make a good point though, said it would only raise 85 Billion, or 8.5 days of government spending.
 
2012-07-10 11:22:49 AM
If God wanted you to be rich, you would be.

The proles need to sit back and let their betters do the running of this country.
 
2012-07-10 11:23:39 AM
I go to Townhall.com for perspective. I stay for the creative Obama puns and misspellings. They are awesome.
 
2012-07-10 11:24:04 AM
The GOP/Teabaggers are going to have to explain how setting the nation up for even more deficit spending is a 'good thing'.
 
2012-07-10 11:24:23 AM
Democrats: You cheated.
Republicans: Pirate.
 
2012-07-10 11:24:28 AM

trotsky: And just to add: let's be truthful. There was a large number of lefties during the Bush years doing this, but after 2010 it's overtaken the right's dialogue almost entirely.


Even then, there's a pretty large gulf of difference between saying "$HRUB SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR TAKING US TO WAR ON LIES" and "NOBAMAO SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR TRYING TO HEAL SICK POOR PEOPLE AND FURTHERMORE TAXATION IS SLAVERY".

At least the anti-Bush people disliked actual things Bush did.
 
2012-07-10 11:24:35 AM

CaptainCliche: Serious Black: Here's the ideal Republican tax plan:

1) Every living person, no matter their age or health, is charged $30,000 on April 15 and required to pay in full.
2) Individuals who pay have no further obligation.
3) Individuals who do not pay are arrested and thrown in a gulag to work off their debt for the year.

But they Damn well better come up with the $30,000 for next year on time or the government will have to add it it to their debt so they can keep some skin in the game.


Oh, absolutely!

And here's something I should clarify: on point 1, no individual may have their obligation paid by another individual regardless of their age and health. Nobody gets to freeload.
 
2012-07-10 11:26:40 AM

Kuta: Democrats: You cheated.
Republicans: Pirate.



I LOL'd.
 
2012-07-10 11:26:41 AM

NateGrey: Fox News went ballistic last night about class warfare.


You could post this every day and never be wrong.
 
2012-07-10 11:27:16 AM

Serious Black: Here's the ideal Republican tax plan:

1) Every living person, no matter their age or health, is charged $30,000 on April 15 and required to pay in full.
2) Individuals who pay have no further obligation.
3) Individuals who do not pay are arrested and thrown in a gulag to work off their debt for the year.


I was ready to agree with you - assuming that the rich own the gulags. But then I realized the rich can hire wage slaves for much less than 30k a year.

I think the ideal GOP plan is disolve the government and replace it with feudalism. The rich, of course, will be the new royalty. That way, only the serfs will pay taxes, and those taxes will go to the lord of the manor - just like in the good 'ol days.
 
2012-07-10 11:27:44 AM

NateGrey: Fox News went ballistic last night about class warfare.

They say it doesnt affect 98% of people, but we will all suffer.

O Reilly did make a good point though, said it would only raise 85 Billion, or 8.5 days of government spending.


Ah yes. the standard 'it doesn't fix everything right away so we shouldn't do it at all' talking point. Here's one for them: all of our massive military spending didn't prevent 9/11, so why do we need to spend anything at all?
 
2012-07-10 11:27:55 AM

Kuta: Democrats: You cheated.
Republicans: Pirate.


Privateers...
 
2012-07-10 11:29:25 AM

sprawl15: trotsky: And just to add: let's be truthful. There was a large number of lefties during the Bush years doing this, but after 2010 it's overtaken the right's dialogue almost entirely.

Even then, there's a pretty large gulf of difference between saying "$HRUB SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR TAKING US TO WAR ON LIES" and "NOBAMAO SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR TRYING TO HEAL SICK POOR PEOPLE AND FURTHERMORE TAXATION IS SLAVERY".

At least the anti-Bush people disliked actual things Bush did.


And I don't think that any anti-Bush people actually thought that he wasn't a Christian, wasn't eligible to be president, or any of the many other "other" claims Republicans consistently spew about Obama.
 
2012-07-10 11:29:40 AM

fringedmyotis: NateGrey: Fox News went ballistic last night about class warfare.

They say it doesnt affect 98% of people, but we will all suffer.

O Reilly did make a good point though, said it would only raise 85 Billion, or 8.5 days of government spending.

Ah yes. the standard 'it doesn't fix everything right away so we shouldn't do it at all' talking point. Here's one for them: all of our massive military spending didn't prevent 9/11, so why do we need to spend anything at all?


Why are Republicans such defeatists when it comes to America?
 
2012-07-10 11:30:10 AM

Owangotang: Taxes are all f*cked up but I have yet to hear a politician respond to my voice. I pay a penalty due to the fact I am single, childless, and do not own a home.

Trust me, world, you don't want or need me to be married or have kids. Home ownership? Maybe someday.

I have zero sympathy for anyone who biatches about the healthcare tax as long as I must suffer these penalties.


I agree on the home ownership BS, in effect wither you own a home or rent your paying for the roof over your hear, but only home owners with a mortgage get a significant tax break.
Oh the child thing, you really have to break it down to earnings per person. If I'm one person earning $50,000 a year, I'm doing fairly well off. If I'm two people (myself and a child) earning $50,000 a year, thats $25,000 per person. I'm doing fairly badly. The tax benefit for having children doesn't nearly come close to the cost of having children.
 
2012-07-10 11:31:34 AM
Hey subtard, only one group is asking for raised taxes on a group they are not part if. The other is asking for cuts for all. Then there is the sane group asking for simplified tax codes, but liberals say fark no to that because they can't favor or punish groups of their choosing.
 
2012-07-10 11:31:58 AM
A progressive tax is class warfare that can't be sustained without a nation's wealth drying up. Upstart economies will offer the wealthy a better deal. It's easy to see on a state v state basis, and the global economy is quickly moving towards a situation where that principle will be at play on a global scale. There is nothing virtuous about keeping your wealth working on behalf of Obama's America. The pro-American position is to collapse Obama's America and let the organs be harvested to bring life to new upstart nations within what used to be called the USA.
 
2012-07-10 11:32:56 AM

Private_Citizen: Serious Black: Here's the ideal Republican tax plan:

1) Every living person, no matter their age or health, is charged $30,000 on April 15 and required to pay in full.
2) Individuals who pay have no further obligation.
3) Individuals who do not pay are arrested and thrown in a gulag to work off their debt for the year.

I was ready to agree with you - assuming that the rich own the gulags. But then I realized the rich can hire wage slaves for much less than 30k a year.

I think the ideal GOP plan is disolve the government and replace it with feudalism. The rich, of course, will be the new royalty. That way, only the serfs will pay taxes, and those taxes will go to the lord of the manor - just like in the good 'ol days.


Well, sure, there's the issue of what you do with all the government revenue raised, but people in gulags don't get to vote. It's likely that the rich would vote in people who would turn around and give all of that revenue back to them in spades. I do think you're right that it would ultimately end up recreating feudalism, but it would enshrine it under the auspice of being consented to by the governed through the Constitution.
 
2012-07-10 11:35:39 AM

Noam Chimpsky: A progressive tax is class warfare that can't be sustained without a nation's wealth drying up


since we instituted a progressive taxation we have become the strongest superpower the world has ever seen.
 
2012-07-10 11:35:40 AM

Noam Chimpsky: A progressive tax is class warfare that can't be sustained without a nation's wealth drying up. Upstart economies will offer the wealthy a better deal. It's easy to see on a state v state basis, and the global economy is quickly moving towards a situation where that principle will be at play on a global scale. There is nothing virtuous about keeping your wealth working on behalf of Obama's America. The pro-American position is to collapse Obama's America and let the organs be harvested to bring life to new upstart nations within what used to be called the USA.


Beck in my day, you know what seditious talk against the whole nation would get you?

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-10 11:36:29 AM

Serious Black: sprawl15: trotsky: And just to add: let's be truthful. There was a large number of lefties during the Bush years doing this, but after 2010 it's overtaken the right's dialogue almost entirely.

Even then, there's a pretty large gulf of difference between saying "$HRUB SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR TAKING US TO WAR ON LIES" and "NOBAMAO SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR TRYING TO HEAL SICK POOR PEOPLE AND FURTHERMORE TAXATION IS SLAVERY".

At least the anti-Bush people disliked actual things Bush did.

And I don't think that any anti-Bush people actually thought that he wasn't a Christian, wasn't eligible to be president, or any of the many other "other" claims Republicans consistently spew about Obama.


That's also a big difference. It seems the infantile morons on the right can't really come up with anything beyond stupid bullshiat. There's plenty to criticize Obama on but the crap I hear spewed from the mouth-breathers always seems to concentrate on generalities, not specific policy issues. And they always seem to be grossly mis-informed as well. The other day I saw some stupid thing on Facebook asking "liberals" about the ACA and its exemption of Congress. I posted the 1/1/2014 policy that will force Congress to purchase insurance through the exchanges like the rest of us. Even gave a cite and a link to the potion of the bill.

I received a three paragraph rant on how my kids are going to pay for the ACA instead.

You just cannot win with these people.
 
2012-07-10 11:36:56 AM
Increasing taxes on the wealthy = class warfare

//Increasing interest rates on student loans and increasing tuition rates at state schools = nothing to see here, move along.
 
2012-07-10 11:37:52 AM

NateGrey: Fox News went ballistic last night about class warfare.

They say it doesnt affect 98% of people, but we will all suffer.

O Reilly did make a good point though, said it would only raise 85 Billion, or 8.5 days of government spending.


That is also the cost of 12 F-22 Raptors, the Jets the Air Force bought that cant fly, and kill pilots ref: Link
 
2012-07-10 11:38:02 AM

Jackpot777: Noam Chimpsky: A progressive tax is class warfare that can't be sustained without a nation's wealth drying up. Upstart economies will offer the wealthy a better deal. It's easy to see on a state v state basis, and the global economy is quickly moving towards a situation where that principle will be at play on a global scale. There is nothing virtuous about keeping your wealth working on behalf of Obama's America. The pro-American position is to collapse Obama's America and let the organs be harvested to bring life to new upstart nations within what used to be called the USA.

Beck in my day, you know what seditious talk against the whole nation would get you?

[25.media.tumblr.com image 500x377]


...Shot in the what now?

/apologies to what_now
 
2012-07-10 11:38:08 AM
I'm starting to think the rich one this latest class war, and we've started a slide into a strange amalgamation of Indian caste system and European feudalism.
 
2012-07-10 11:38:14 AM

MyRandomName: The other is asking for cuts for all.


Both sides are asking to keep some of the tax cuts for every person. One side is asking to keep cuts to every bracket. There are two distinctions there that most people fail to make. Smart readers should be able to spot both of them.
 
2012-07-10 11:38:14 AM

Owangotang: Taxes are all f*cked up but I have yet to hear a politician respond to my voice. I pay a penalty due to the fact I am single, childless, and do not own a home.

Trust me, world, you don't want or need me to be married or have kids. Home ownership? Maybe someday.

I have zero sympathy for anyone who biatches about the healthcare tax as long as I must suffer these penalties.


Logic, really isn't your strong suit, is it? Wait, I bet you think you "pay a penalty" at the grocery store if you don't have any coupons, right?

www.cardinalfang.net
It's people like you what cause unrest!
 
2012-07-10 11:38:23 AM

NateGrey: O Reilly did make a good point though, said it would only raise 85 Billion, or 8.5 days of government spending.


Only.

WSJ: Top philanthropists and charity executives explain how they would spend $10 billion to best alleviate the world's problems

Percy Barnevik, former chief executive of ABB and chairman of Hand in Hand International.

Stimulate job-creation in developing countries.

"One billion people in the world survive on less than a dollar a day. They are the so-called "bottom billion." Many are so poor because they don't have jobs. The only way to eliminate extreme poverty at reasonable cost and within a reasonable timeframe is by giving this "bottom billion" the means to unleash their entrepreneurship.

Research suggests that, at a conservative global average, it costs $200 to create a single job in a developing nation. To eradicate extreme poverty among the "bottom billion" requires 250 million productive new jobs, which would cost $50 billion in total or $5 billion a year over 10 years. This is less than 5% of the $110 billion that is currently spent each year on aid.
 
2012-07-10 11:38:32 AM
Republicans* are hatriots, pure and simple:

hatriotism: Proving your patriotism by hating the people or things you are instructed to hate by demagogues, arbiters of social or moral issues, or politicians inside of or outside of the current government administration.

*includes teabaggers, evangelicals, the KKK, Fark Independents(tm), and libertarians.
 
2012-07-10 11:38:55 AM

trotsky: I received a three paragraph rant on how my kids are going to pay for the ACA instead.


Well this is true. Just like they'll be paying for Iraq and Afghanistan since these mouth breathers don't want to pay their taxes, let alone increasing them to get this shiat paid off.
 
2012-07-10 11:39:47 AM

Noam Chimpsky: A progressive tax is class warfare...


So the 1950's... 60's... and 70's saw the destruction of the wealthiest households in the US?
I must have missed that phase of American history entirely.
 
2012-07-10 11:40:45 AM

Headso: Noam Chimpsky: A progressive tax is class warfare that can't be sustained without a nation's wealth drying up

since we instituted a progressive taxation we have become the strongest superpower the world has ever seen.


www.spikednation.com

Yes: but APART from better sanitation, medicine, education, public health, roads, security, and public order... what has a progressive taxation system done for us?
 
2012-07-10 11:40:48 AM

MyRandomName: Hey subtard, only one group is asking for raised taxes on a group they are not part if. The other is asking for cuts for all. Then there is the sane group asking for simplified tax codes, but liberals say fark no to that because they can't favor or punish groups of their choosing.


If I want to mix colors in a digital paint can, you think I can get away with using just two colors to make 256 different combinations? Would it be harder or easier to do this with 12 different starting colors? Do you think the US economy is simpler or more complex than mixing paints? (I'll refrain from snarking about eating paint chips.)

Are simple solutions always better than complex ones? Is "matter is made of four basic elements" a better answer than "matter is made of atoms of at least 115 types that combine to create everything we've ever seen"?

Do you think Adam Smith and Ben Franklin might have been on to something when they called for progressive taxation, or is it only their (or only Smith's) idea of a Free Market that you like (you cherry-picker, you)?

Do you at least understand that the flatter the tax regime, the higher the percentage of taxes paid by the poorer segments of society? That we'd need some insane taxes on business or cap gains to make that flat tax regime in any way fair (i.e. relative tax bills commensurate with purchasing power of the entity)?
 
2012-07-10 11:41:01 AM

MyRandomName: Hey subtard, only one group is asking for raised taxes on a group they are not part if. The other is asking for cuts for all. Then there is the sane group asking for simplified tax codes, but liberals say fark no to that because they can't favor or punish groups of their choosing.


Which "one group" would that be?
 
2012-07-10 11:42:48 AM
Just a few other points that I thought were interesting; not that they hold merit are within context:

Reagan kept the federal government mostly in check during his eight years in office, adding about 12,000 workers in that time. By contrast, Jimmy Carter added almost 100,000 federal jobs in just four years. During Mr. Obama's first three years in office, the feds have added about 130,000 employees... more than 10 times what Reagan added in eight years.

Since June of 2009, there have been 2.6 million jobs created in America. But 3.1 million people have gone on disability. The math is clear... American workers are leaving their jobs to get paid by the taxpayers. And disability payments are at a record rate.

I (sic) would support federal tax hikes on the wealthy if I thought they would help the folks. But there's absolutely no evidence more revenue to the government would do anything other than allowing President Obama to hire even more federal workers.
 
2012-07-10 11:44:33 AM

Serious Black: Here's the ideal Republican tax plan:

1) Every living person, no matter their age or health, is charged $30,000 on April 15 and required to pay in full.
2) Individuals who pay have no further obligation.
3) Individuals who do not pay are arrested and thrown in a gulag to work off their debt for the year.


Almost, see first we need to rework the debt contract and bankruptcy laws so that:
1) No debt is ever discharged
2) Those who are sued, receive judgement against them, and do not have the assets to pay off their judgement are arrested and forced into work-bondage.
3) These work-bound people are no longer citizens and as long as they are not killed can be put to work doing anything their lien holder requires, including sex work in the states where it is legal.

After that then we can raise taxes, but why stop at 30,000 a year why not $250,000 a year per person, call it a citizenship tax.
 
2012-07-10 11:44:54 AM

trotsky: Serious Black: sprawl15: trotsky: And just to add: let's be truthful. There was a large number of lefties during the Bush years doing this, but after 2010 it's overtaken the right's dialogue almost entirely.

Even then, there's a pretty large gulf of difference between saying "$HRUB SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR TAKING US TO WAR ON LIES" and "NOBAMAO SHOULD BE IMPEACHED FOR TRYING TO HEAL SICK POOR PEOPLE AND FURTHERMORE TAXATION IS SLAVERY".

At least the anti-Bush people disliked actual things Bush did.

And I don't think that any anti-Bush people actually thought that he wasn't a Christian, wasn't eligible to be president, or any of the many other "other" claims Republicans consistently spew about Obama.

That's also a big difference. It seems the infantile morons on the right can't really come up with anything beyond stupid bullshiat. There's plenty to criticize Obama on but the crap I hear spewed from the mouth-breathers always seems to concentrate on generalities, not specific policy issues. And they always seem to be grossly mis-informed as well. The other day I saw some stupid thing on Facebook asking "liberals" about the ACA and its exemption of Congress. I posted the 1/1/2014 policy that will force Congress to purchase insurance through the exchanges like the rest of us. Even gave a cite and a link to the potion of the bill.

I received a three paragraph rant on how my kids are going to pay for the ACA instead.

You just cannot win with these people.


There is no big surprise why most right wing mouth breathers are also so devoutly religious. Everything to them is about faith, not about fact. They believe deep down in their heart that ACA is bad so any talking point that supports that belief no matter how baseless or easily debunked will be taken as absolute fact and any information that supports ACA as beneficial will be assumed to be lies.

I argue with a right winger all the time about varying topics. Most of the time he can not come up with any sort of basis for his arguments and it generally boils down to "just wait, you'll see." Of course none of his predictions ever pan out.
 
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