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(Gizmodo)   New hidden airport security scanners will know what you had for breakfast from 50 meters away. Literally. They can also know if you have any trace of drugs or gunpowder or your adrenalin level   (gizmodo.com) divider line 100
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2012-07-10 12:00:02 PM
But the idiots at the checkpoint will still be there to harass me, right?

Because that's what matters.
 
2012-07-10 12:01:23 PM
Yep, this doesn't sound like bullshiat at all.
 
2012-07-10 12:01:40 PM
Sounds like it's made of unobtanium.
 
2012-07-10 12:02:25 PM
The analysis gets done in picoseconds.

Sounds legit to me.
 
2012-07-10 12:02:25 PM
America sounds like such a fun place to visit.
 
2012-07-10 12:03:39 PM
You are as likely to be killed by your own furniture as you are to be killed by terrorists. Who is protecting us from our killer furniture? Why is my couch not in Gitmo?
 
2012-07-10 12:04:26 PM
It's so sensitive that everyone will test positive and we must all be terrorist drug lords and the only way to imprison everyone is to lock us in our houses.
 
2012-07-10 12:04:33 PM
Seriously, if this thing's anything more than a hoax, I expect to have my working portal gun by 2015.
 
2012-07-10 12:05:28 PM

Fluorescent Testicle: Seriously, if this thing's anything more than a hoax, I expect to have my working portal gun by 2015.


Dubai is already using something similar.
 
2012-07-10 12:05:54 PM
I'll believe it when I see it. This invention sounds about as plausible as a perpetual motion device.
 
2012-07-10 12:06:07 PM
www.nytmare.org
 
2012-07-10 12:06:56 PM
Why not just cut to the chase and have them all waiting at airport entrances with strap-ons and vaseline.
 
2012-07-10 12:07:57 PM
This has to be BS. Americans don't know what the heck "From 50 Meters Away" even means.
 
2012-07-10 12:09:05 PM

DoctorHowardDoctorFine: Why not just cut to the chase and have them all waiting at airport entrances with strap-ons and vaseline.


Bad citizen. Vaseline can explode. It's not allowed. Enjoy the farking, though.
 
2012-07-10 12:09:18 PM
I used to pray for world peace. Now I pray for an E.M.P. storm.
 
2012-07-10 12:09:55 PM
not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?
 
2012-07-10 12:11:18 PM
We are all screwed, doesn't all money have traces of drugs on it?
 
2012-07-10 12:11:52 PM

special20: This has to be BS. Americans don't know what the heck "From 50 Meters Away" even means.


that's like 38 furlongs, right?
 
2012-07-10 12:12:28 PM

3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?


It tends to cause cancer, which hospitals generally frown upon. The TSA has no such qualms.
 
2012-07-10 12:13:28 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: DoctorHowardDoctorFine: Why not just cut to the chase and have them all waiting at airport entrances with strap-ons and vaseline.

Bad citizen. Vaseline can explode. It's not allowed. Enjoy the farking, though.


Especially when ground glass and vicks vapo-rub is so much more effective for what the TSA has planned.
 
2012-07-10 12:14:54 PM
As someone that works with laser scanning technology, let me say this.

LASERS DON'T WORK THAT WAY.
 
2012-07-10 12:14:55 PM

special20: This has to be BS. Americans don't know what the heck "From 50 Meters Away" even means.


That's about 109 cubits. Duh.
 
2012-07-10 12:15:12 PM

3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?


While hospitals offer various opportunities to grope people, the people who frequently patronize hospitals are often unhealthy or unattractive, where as world travelers are often younger and more fit. Therefore, when investing in technology that would lead to groping, the airport security route would lead to a comparable frequency of groping to that of a hospital, but groping of much higher quality.
 
2012-07-10 12:16:07 PM
mimg.ugo.com
 
2012-07-10 12:17:04 PM
We wouldn't have this problem if people didn't insist on flying.
 
2012-07-10 12:18:19 PM
Jesus.

The more I read, the more I laugh.

Their claims are not based in reality.
 
2012-07-10 12:20:07 PM

Nuclear Monk: 3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?

It tends to cause cancer, which hospitals generally frown upon. The TSA has no such qualms.


TSA doesn't want you bringing cancer on the planes! If you got it from their machines during the boarding procedure.
 
2012-07-10 12:20:26 PM

Nuclear Monk: 3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?

It tends to cause cancer, which hospitals generally frown upon. The TSA has no such qualms.


X-Ray and CT scans say hi!
 
2012-07-10 12:22:11 PM

Nick Nostril: We wouldn't have this problem if people didn't insist on flying.


no no no , you have it wrong. The issue is there is no law against being a terrorist and flying. It's like gun control, if you out law it, no gun crime can happen!
 
2012-07-10 12:23:16 PM

meat0918: Jesus.

The more I read, the more I laugh.

Their claims are not based in reality.


I hope you're right. If the device is real, and In-Q-Tel is involved, it's unlikely the actual inner workings will be revealed, and whatever reaches the press is memetic chaff to hide whatever is really under the hood.
 
2012-07-10 12:24:19 PM
So pretty soon cops won't even need to lie or call in a K9 for probable cause. They'll simply paint every passing motor vehicle operator with the laser and know immediately if they have cause to search your vehicle. I can imagine operations similar to the speed traps they have set up in some states. One hidden officer will lase all the targets and radio ahead to the heroic officers standing in the road directing filthy potheads to "PULL OVER!" to be searched.
 
2012-07-10 12:28:30 PM

tankjr: So pretty soon cops won't even need to lie or call in a K9 for probable cause. They'll simply paint every passing motor vehicle operator with the laser and know immediately if they have cause to search your vehicle. I can imagine operations similar to the speed traps they have set up in some states. One hidden officer will lase all the targets and radio ahead to the heroic officers standing in the road directing filthy potheads to "PULL OVER!" to be searched.


I have a feeling that would really fall under illegal search and seizure. You would have to have Reasonable articulable suspicion to have stopped the vehicle in the first place or order to have scanned it.

/Speculation on new technology that probably doesn't really work as advertised anyway.
 
2012-07-10 12:30:18 PM

meat0918: As someone that works with laser scanning technology, let me say this.

LASERS DON'T WORK THAT WAY.


I'm guessing you operate a barcode printer.

http://www.geniaphotonics.com/products/picosecond-synchronized-progra m mable-laser/synchronized-programmable-laser-for-vibrational-nonlinear- molecular-spectroscopy/
 
2012-07-10 12:31:32 PM

tankjr: So pretty soon cops won't even need to lie or call in a K9 for probable cause. They'll simply paint every passing motor vehicle operator with the laser and know immediately if they have cause to search your vehicle. I can imagine operations similar to the speed traps they have set up in some states. One hidden officer will lase all the targets and radio ahead to the heroic officers standing in the road directing filthy potheads to "PULL OVER!" to be searched.


So what you're saying is that in 5 years half of the country will be police officers and the other half will be in jail? Great. That's really going to stimulate the economy.
 
2012-07-10 12:32:29 PM
Fark that, im walkin anywhere i need to go.

12 hogsheads = 4 metres.
 
2012-07-10 12:32:47 PM
To the doubters - the article may be bogus, or blown out of proportion, but considering the inevitable march of technology, it's really only a matter of time before this is our reality. Technology, in the hands of humans, is the enemy of privacy.
 
2012-07-10 12:33:14 PM
This will go great with the "magic wand" drug detectors.
 
2012-07-10 12:39:05 PM

Shazam999: The analysis gets done in picoseconds.

Sounds legit to me.


Actually it says it takes picoseconds to fire the laser, it's just phrased to be misleading because I'm pretty sure someone is using marketing materials as research.

/Takes light 166ns to even travel 50 meters.
//I you could say 166,782ps is "picoseconds"
///Then I guess you could say 5 days is too.
 
2012-07-10 12:40:04 PM

PlatinumDragon: meat0918: Jesus.

The more I read, the more I laugh.

Their claims are not based in reality.

I hope you're right. If the device is real, and In-Q-Tel is involved, it's unlikely the actual inner workings will be revealed, and whatever reaches the press is memetic chaff to hide whatever is really under the hood.


I'd love to see it, because if it is real I could use it for what I do. Seriously, it would make my job and what I do so much more efficient, and would make my customer's ecstatic and be able to produce what they produce with even greater efficiency and accuracy.

The 50 meters claim is what gets me. Scanning lasers have range limitations, as well as needing range detection instrumentation, otherwise you end up with things at 1x meters away, 2x meters, 3x, 4x, etc. all showing in the 1x meters away from the scanner.

I'll send this to a coworker of mine that used to work in the Navy as a radar tech and is our laser scanning god, see what he thinks.

He's pretty level headed too, not a conspiracy nut.

Knowing what I know about the physics behind laser scanners, as well as the limitations of computers to handle such large amounts of data, I am very dubious they can be as accurate as they claim.

The picoseconds claim, I believe, but it's preying on the public's lack of science background. It is light after all, and the scanners I work with will return the light to the camera in the same amount of time. 3.3356x10^-7 seconds for the light to travel to the object 50m away and return for this supposed scanner.

Our scanners are technically faster, because they are much shorter ranges.
 
2012-07-10 12:40:05 PM
Should be fun for folks with Hypoglycemia.
 
2012-07-10 12:40:28 PM
Even if the adrenaline level is...

OVER 9000!?!?!?
 
2012-07-10 12:45:15 PM
Develop a new axe spray that has the new manly smell: gun range or reloading bench

/ profit???
 
2012-07-10 12:46:04 PM

Grapple: special20: This has to be BS. Americans don't know what the heck "From 50 Meters Away" even means.

that's like 38 furlongs, right?


NO dumb ass it's 14.573 hectors, 57.8 cubits or even a half a parasang.
Jebus do I have to spell it out for you?!?!?!?
 
2012-07-10 12:48:05 PM
Scanning...scanning...scanning...scanning...
Arm like a cannon, cock like a python and a brain like farking scientist!
 
2012-07-10 12:52:38 PM
Hooray for NDAA!
 
2012-07-10 12:56:44 PM
If true, these would be incredibly easy to defeat.

Just off the top of my head: Go to local gun store, buy 5 pound can of pyrodex (smokeless powder for rolling your own shotgun shells, muzzle loader etc.) drive to the airport parking lot and dump little piles of it around every entryway. Thousands of people an hour walking through those entryways on their way to flights. My $50 dollar investment in LULZ.
"OMG Sarge! Sound the alarm! EVERYONE'S A TURRIST!"
 
2012-07-10 12:57:06 PM

question_dj: Fluorescent Testicle: Seriously, if this thing's anything more than a hoax, I expect to have my working portal gun by 2015.

Dubai is already using something similar.


Yeah reading the linked article is pretty scary, guy being jailed with a speck of pot on the sole of his shoe so small you can't see it!!??

I HOPE this is not what it's cracked up to be.

BUT they already have the "sniffers" in some airports and I doubt those are the pinnacle of the technology at the moment. Also, wasn't there some sort of "super-sniffer" thing that came out years ago that detected drugs and explosives on people....but it was found to be too sensitive as it detected the cocaine that's on like every dollar bill, and it could tell if you touched a bill with cocaine on it.

Then some FBI dude or otherwise LEO was demonstrating it during its unveiling and it detected cocaine on his shoes or something?...People kinda figured it was a bit extreme and at that point I thought gave up on it.
 
2012-07-10 12:57:18 PM
Hrmm it seems like they are going to pop a lot of false positives, especially with people that use paper money.

"Sir, are you aware that you have traces of drugs and fecal matter on your hands"
 
2012-07-10 12:58:12 PM

tankjr: meat0918: As someone that works with laser scanning technology, let me say this.

LASERS DON'T WORK THAT WAY.

I'm guessing you operate a barcode printer.

http://www.geniaphotonics.com/products/picosecond-synchronized-progra m mable-laser/synchronized-programmable-laser-for-vibrational-nonlinear- molecular-spectroscopy/


I've picked up graduations between layers of paint, but that is a stationary object. Moving targets add so much to the mix that while not completely unable to be overcome, require you also know how fast and what direction the target is moving in order to properly compensate for the shift in data, and with a human, remember arms can be swinging, hands moving rapidly, as well as body shifting and twisting.

Stationary, yeah I believe this could possibly work. Multiple moving targets though? Good luck.
 
2012-07-10 12:59:03 PM

Gabrielmot: folks with


Yay me!
 
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