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2012-07-10 01:04:57 PM

meat0918: tankjr: meat0918: As someone that works with laser scanning technology, let me say this.

LASERS DON'T WORK THAT WAY.

I'm guessing you operate a barcode printer.

http://www.geniaphotonics.com/products/picosecond-synchronized-progra m mable-laser/synchronized-programmable-laser-for-vibrational-nonlinear- molecular-spectroscopy/

I've picked up graduations between layers of paint, but that is a stationary object. Moving targets add so much to the mix that while not completely unable to be overcome, require you also know how fast and what direction the target is moving in order to properly compensate for the shift in data, and with a human, remember arms can be swinging, hands moving rapidly, as well as body shifting and twisting.

Stationary, yeah I believe this could possibly work. Multiple moving targets though? Good luck.


Perfect target location would be the lineup at security. Lots of people stopping and waiting to be waved forward.
 
2012-07-10 01:06:01 PM
meat0918: "I am very dubious they can be as accurate as they claim."

The whole thing stinks of an advertisement masquerading as an article. The spiel repeatedly claims that the device *can* do x, y and z. And *implies* that it can do these things simultaneously, but in classic marketing fashion, it never actually claims that it can. The breathless hack who reworded the source occasionally does that, but only in their fevered imaginings about what the future *might* hold. It's all very carefully constructed.

So I have few doubts the tech can do the things they actually claim. I'm just sure that when they claim they can 'instantly' scan for cocaine at 20 meters, it's not without a couple caveats and it's only after the device has been set-up, calibrated and configured to look for that specific signature at that specific distance.
 
2012-07-10 01:06:04 PM

Finger51: If true, these would be incredibly easy to defeat.

Just off the top of my head: Go to local gun store, buy 5 pound can of pyrodex (smokeless powder for rolling your own shotgun shells, muzzle loader etc.) drive to the airport parking lot and dump little piles of it around every entryway. Thousands of people an hour walking through those entryways on their way to flights. My $50 dollar investment in LULZ.
"OMG Sarge! Sound the alarm! EVERYONE'S A TURRIST!"


Pyrodex isn't smokeless, it's a black powder substitute. It's not used in shotgun shells generally, unless you're doing something like cowboy action shooting.

Your point is a good one, though.

I have to wonder at the efficiency of the scanners now: I know someone whose house floats on guns, and he's always reloading (smokeless powder) or shooting muzzleloaders (black powder, Triple 7, Pyrodex). He *HAS* to have that residue on just about everything in his house, but he's gone through airport explosives scanners with no difficulty.
 
2012-07-10 01:07:23 PM

2KanZam: question_dj: Fluorescent Testicle: Seriously, if this thing's anything more than a hoax, I expect to have my working portal gun by 2015.

Dubai is already using something similar.

Yeah reading the linked article is pretty scary, guy being jailed with a speck of pot on the sole of his shoe so small you can't see it!!??

I HOPE this is not what it's cracked up to be.

BUT they already have the "sniffers" in some airports and I doubt those are the pinnacle of the technology at the moment. Also, wasn't there some sort of "super-sniffer" thing that came out years ago that detected drugs and explosives on people....but it was found to be too sensitive as it detected the cocaine that's on like every dollar bill, and it could tell if you touched a bill with cocaine on it.

Then some FBI dude or otherwise LEO was demonstrating it during its unveiling and it detected cocaine on his shoes or something?...People kinda figured it was a bit extreme and at that point I thought gave up on it.


They pulled him aside because he looked like a pothead, and put his shoes in a highly sensitive scanner.

My beef is that the article makes it sound like these things will be scanning people as they walk through the airport, not utilized in a side room as an additional detection measure.

They may be exploring that option, but like I said, good luck without knowing speed, direction, as well as change in object shape.
 
2012-07-10 01:08:50 PM

2KanZam: Also, wasn't there some sort of "super-sniffer" thing that came out years ago that detected drugs and explosives on people....but it was found to be too sensitive as it detected the cocaine that's on like every dollar bill, and it could tell if you touched a bill with cocaine on it.


This...

meat0918: Stationary, yeah I believe this could possibly work. Multiple moving targets though? Good luck.


And this. Even if the tech works as advertised, it would be a complete clusterfark in an airport (or any public place for that matter).
 
2012-07-10 01:15:02 PM
Did anyone else notice the big red EMERGENCY STOP button on the faceplate? I've only seen those on machines which pose a hazard to human health.

Anyone care to tell us how this will affect our health? I'm sure TSA's response will be that it's harmless...
 
2012-07-10 01:15:29 PM

PlatinumDragon: meat0918: tankjr: meat0918: As someone that works with laser scanning technology, let me say this.

LASERS DON'T WORK THAT WAY.

I'm guessing you operate a barcode printer.

http://www.geniaphotonics.com/products/picosecond-synchronized-progra m mable-laser/synchronized-programmable-laser-for-vibrational-nonlinear- molecular-spectroscopy/

I've picked up graduations between layers of paint, but that is a stationary object. Moving targets add so much to the mix that while not completely unable to be overcome, require you also know how fast and what direction the target is moving in order to properly compensate for the shift in data, and with a human, remember arms can be swinging, hands moving rapidly, as well as body shifting and twisting.

Stationary, yeah I believe this could possibly work. Multiple moving targets though? Good luck.

Perfect target location would be the lineup at security. Lots of people stopping and waiting to be waved forward.


People don't stand anything close to still in lines. They scratch, stretch, look around, fidget, shift their weight etc. pretty much constantly to help fend off boredom and fatigue.
 
2012-07-10 01:20:41 PM
I'd like to take the lobbyists who are pushing this crap on the taxpayers and roll their underwear in gun powder, cocaine, and stinging nettles before they head off on vacation with their mistresses (or cabana boys).
 
2012-07-10 01:25:53 PM

Nuclear Monk: 3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?

It tends to cause cancer, which hospitals generally frown upon. The TSA has no such qualms.


Not true. Terahertz radiation does not cause cancer. It occupies the spectrum between radio and optical frequencies.

You stand a better chance of getting cancer listening to Fran Drescher do a rendition of Macarena while watching Rosie O'Donnell go down on Nadya Suleman.
 
2012-07-10 01:33:57 PM

Sardonic_Padre: Nuclear Monk: 3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?

It tends to cause cancer, which hospitals generally frown upon. The TSA has no such qualms.

Not true. Terahertz radiation does not cause cancer. It occupies the spectrum between radio and optical frequencies.

You stand a better chance of getting cancer listening to Fran Drescher do a rendition of Macarena while watching Rosie O'Donnell go down on Nadya Suleman.


I'm forwarding the medical bills for my inevitable brain cancer to you.
 
2012-07-10 01:36:09 PM

Sardonic_Padre: Nuclear Monk: 3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?

It tends to cause cancer, which hospitals generally frown upon. The TSA has no such qualms.

Not true. Terahertz radiation does not cause cancer. It occupies the spectrum between radio and optical frequencies.

You stand a better chance of getting cancer listening to Fran Drescher do a rendition of Macarena while watching Rosie O'Donnell go down on Nadya Suleman.


Try convincing the EM sensitives that. I watched one get rather breathless and panicked when I told her she's exposed to more cancer causing radiation from a minute out in the sun than from talking on a cell phone, and holding my cell out as I talked. She babbled something about "blood/brain barrier" and then trailed off. She didn't believe me of course, but this nutter goes around town with a surgical mask and wonders why no one takes her seriously.

More amusing was she got more panicked as someone else (he's an instigator of shenanigans) loudly fiddled with his phone near her, and then smiled a mischievous smile when he saw me looking at him to see what was up.
 
2012-07-10 01:40:13 PM
New hidden airport security scanners will know what you had for breakfast from 50 meters away.

Big deal. I had hard boiled eggs, garlic sausage, and baked beans. Anybody can tell.
 
2012-07-10 01:42:59 PM
I didn't realize there was a law against having a molecule of cocaine on my person.
 
2012-07-10 01:45:37 PM

ChipNASA: dumb ass it's 14.573 hectors, 57.8 cubits or even a half a parasang.
Jebus do I have to spell it out for you?!?!?!?



BUT - just how many leagues is it? What about below sea level?
Inquiring minds want to know..
 
2012-07-10 01:59:31 PM

meat0918: Sardonic_Padre: Nuclear Monk: 3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?

It tends to cause cancer, which hospitals generally frown upon. The TSA has no such qualms.

Not true. Terahertz radiation does not cause cancer. It occupies the spectrum between radio and optical frequencies.

You stand a better chance of getting cancer listening to Fran Drescher do a rendition of Macarena while watching Rosie O'Donnell go down on Nadya Suleman.

Try convincing the EM sensitives that. I watched one get rather breathless and panicked when I told her she's exposed to more cancer causing radiation from a minute out in the sun than from talking on a cell phone, and holding my cell out as I talked. She babbled something about "blood/brain barrier" and then trailed off. She didn't believe me of course, but this nutter goes around town with a surgical mask and wonders why no one takes her seriously.

More amusing was she got more panicked as someone else (he's an instigator of shenanigans) loudly fiddled with his phone near her, and then smiled a mischievous smile when he saw me looking at him to see what was up.



CSB:
I actually talked sense in to one once. I had a guest who was complaining that the wifi I was providing in her furnished apartment was giving her headaches. I asked her how that was possible what with the cellphone tower on her block putting out so much radio power that the router might as well not even be on by comparison. She was like, "Ohhhhh CRAP."

So I said, "Look, you didn't even know about that until I told you. The truth is, you're in a highrise apartment building that whole building is also full of wireless routers, so just walking around in the building would give you a headache if that was the case, not just walking in to your apartment. Did you notice how many access points were visible from your apartment when you connected to yours? It was a bunch of them wasn't it. Here's the thing, there's no structure in your body which will actually interact with that energy enough to make a difference. That's why you can't just use a pencil or something as an antenna if you break the one on your router. You need something BOTH made out of the right materials and in the right size and shape to be able to even interact with radio waves, so stop worrying yourself about it. Since you haven't noticed absolutely any of the other massively stronger amounts of EM energy permeating you every second of the day you are in a major city like this I think you really should consider the possibility that you're probably simply causing your own symptoms by stressing yourself out with worry over an invisible demon here."

She told me she'd actually never considered any of that before, that I made a lot of sense and that she wouldn't worry about it any more - and she didn't. She used the router from then on and the next time we spoke she thanked me again for clearing up the issue for her. Total victory for reason!
 
2012-07-10 02:08:47 PM

Your Boss: ChipNASA: dumb ass it's 14.573 hectors, 57.8 cubits or even a half a parasang.
Jebus do I have to spell it out for you?!?!?!?


BUT - just how many leagues is it? What about below sea level?
Inquiring minds want to know..


Well, if we're going to get REALLY scientific, let's make all of our measurements in Smoots.
 
2012-07-10 02:11:18 PM

Finger51: If true, these would be incredibly easy to defeat.

Just off the top of my head: Go to local gun store, buy 5 pound can of pyrodex (smokeless powder for rolling your own shotgun shells, muzzle loader etc.) drive to the airport parking lot and dump little piles of it around every entryway. Thousands of people an hour walking through those entryways on their way to flights. My $50 dollar investment in LULZ.
"OMG Sarge! Sound the alarm! EVERYONE'S A TURRIST!"


This.

There's already been at least one case where some poor bastard was walking through a high-sec airport, and stepped on some hashish somebody had tossed on the floor. A tiny speck on his shoes set off the drug sniffers, and he got detained a couple days.
 
2012-07-10 02:16:27 PM

mongbiohazard: meat0918: Sardonic_Padre: Nuclear Monk: 3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?

It tends to cause cancer, which hospitals generally frown upon. The TSA has no such qualms.

Not true. Terahertz radiation does not cause cancer. It occupies the spectrum between radio and optical frequencies.

You stand a better chance of getting cancer listening to Fran Drescher do a rendition of Macarena while watching Rosie O'Donnell go down on Nadya Suleman.

Try convincing the EM sensitives that. I watched one get rather breathless and panicked when I told her she's exposed to more cancer causing radiation from a minute out in the sun than from talking on a cell phone, and holding my cell out as I talked. She babbled something about "blood/brain barrier" and then trailed off. She didn't believe me of course, but this nutter goes around town with a surgical mask and wonders why no one takes her seriously.

More amusing was she got more panicked as someone else (he's an instigator of shenanigans) loudly fiddled with his phone near her, and then smiled a mischievous smile when he saw me looking at him to see what was up.


CSB:
I actually talked sense in to one once. I had a guest who was complaining that the wifi I was providing in her furnished apartment was giving her headaches. I asked her how that was possible what with the cellphone tower on her block putting out so much radio power that the router might as well not even be on by comparison. She was like, "Ohhhhh CRAP."

So I said, "Look, you didn't even know about that until I told you. The truth is, you're in a highrise apartment building that whole building is also full of wireless routers, so just walking around in the building would give you a headache if that was the case, not just walking in to your apartment. Did you notice how many access points were visible from your apartment when you connected to yours? It was a bunch of them wasn't it. Here ...


You mentioned that story a month or two ago, and it is what inspired me to speak up when she started talking about it the dangerous EMF coming from the new smart meters the local utility is planning on installing at a local neighborhood meeting. I normally don't but the woo is getting so strong, I have to, otherwise people just accept what is being said

This woman was so far gone, I don't think I could reach her.
 
2012-07-10 02:26:36 PM

special20: This has to be BS. Americans don't know what the heck "From 50 Meters Away" even means.


We know that's 50 meters too many. Thats all that matters.
 
2012-07-10 02:28:34 PM
So explain to me again how they are going to point a laser at my arm and identify the pot molecule located on my shoe?
 
2012-07-10 02:33:13 PM
www.bio27.com
 
2012-07-10 02:38:08 PM

tankjr: They'll simply paint every passing motor vehicle operator with the laser and know immediately if they have cause to search your vehicle.


They'll simply SEARCH every passing motor vehicle operator with the laser and know immediately if they have cause to SEARCH your vehicle.

I see no problems with that.
 
2012-07-10 02:43:23 PM

cig-mkr: We are all screwed, doesn't all money have traces of drugs on it?


Real Americans carry plastic.

Only druggies and illegal aliens use actual currency.
 
2012-07-10 02:51:23 PM

tankjr: So pretty soon cops won't even need to lie or call in a K9 for probable cause. They'll simply paint every passing motor vehicle operator with the laser and know immediately if they have cause to search your vehicle. I can imagine operations similar to the speed traps they have set up in some states. One hidden officer will lase all the targets and radio ahead to the heroic officers standing in the road directing filthy potheads to "PULL OVER!" to be searched.


they already tried this with thermal scanners looking for grow houses, SCOTUS said no go.
Kyllo v US
 
2012-07-10 02:57:02 PM

Sardonic_Padre: You stand a better chance of getting cancer listening to Fran Drescher do a rendition of Macarena while watching Rosie O'Donnell go down on Nadya Suleman.


DON'T JUDGE ME!
 
2012-07-10 03:00:10 PM

PlatinumDragon: meat0918: Jesus.

The more I read, the more I laugh.

Their claims are not based in reality.

I hope you're right. If the device is real, and In-Q-Tel is involved, it's unlikely the actual inner workings will be revealed, and whatever reaches the press is memetic chaff to hide whatever is really under the hood.


Someone got the US to buy magical 'bomb-dowsing' rods, so why not this?
Source
 
2012-07-10 03:01:59 PM
So you can spray people with an aerosol that will trip these sensors?

AWESOME!
 
2012-07-10 03:03:19 PM

PunGent: Finger51: If true, these would be incredibly easy to defeat.

Just off the top of my head: Go to local gun store, buy 5 pound can of pyrodex (smokeless powder for rolling your own shotgun shells, muzzle loader etc.) drive to the airport parking lot and dump little piles of it around every entryway. Thousands of people an hour walking through those entryways on their way to flights. My $50 dollar investment in LULZ.
"OMG Sarge! Sound the alarm! EVERYONE'S A TURRIST!"

This.

There's already been at least one case where some poor bastard was walking through a high-sec airport, and stepped on some hashish somebody had tossed on the floor. A tiny speck on his shoes set off the drug sniffers, and he got detained a couple days.


When I bought my ex-wife a ticket back to Japan, I made sure to wipe her luggage down with an MRE heater. Apparently it took her a while to get through security. (Also ordered her a special 'muslim' meal for her flight, because why the hell not?)
 
2012-07-10 03:03:44 PM

shavethewhales: tankjr: So pretty soon cops won't even need to lie or call in a K9 for probable cause. They'll simply paint every passing motor vehicle operator with the laser and know immediately if they have cause to search your vehicle. I can imagine operations similar to the speed traps they have set up in some states. One hidden officer will lase all the targets and radio ahead to the heroic officers standing in the road directing filthy potheads to "PULL OVER!" to be searched.

they already tried this with thermal scanners looking for grow houses, SCOTUS said no go.
Kyllo v US


Two different things, I think.

-One, thermal scanners only tell you if a lot of heat is being produced. *Not* what that heat is being used for. You could, theoretically, just enjoy having a really warm house (or whatever.) There isn't any actual law stating that you can't produce more than x-amount of heat, so the thermal scanner doesn't actually detect any illegal activity.

-Two, we already have speed traps with radar. They don't have to "suspect" you are speeding. The gun tells them if you are and they decide whether or not to pull you over. This technology actually detects illegal activity (speeding in this case).

The current technology in question would likely fall under #2 since it detects what is actual "illegal activity", unlike the thermal scanner which only detects something that might be *related* to illegal activity.

They will have to calibrate it so they're not having issues with things like people who carry cash and such. But calibration is part of every tool used by law enforcement.

If they can calibrate it to catch things of note (x-amount of explosives or drugs, not related to incidental environmental exposure) and there's really no reason to think they can't at this time, this sort of tool would likely be used in all kinds of areas.
 
2012-07-10 03:04:41 PM

special20: This has to be BS. Americans don't know what the heck "From 50 Meters Away" even means.


(For our friends inside the USA... 50 meters -> 164.041995 feet) - Splendid!
 
2012-07-10 03:09:42 PM

mongbiohazard: meat0918: Sardonic_Padre: Nuclear Monk: 3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?

It tends to cause cancer, which hospitals generally frown upon. The TSA has no such qualms.

Not true. Terahertz radiation does not cause cancer. It occupies the spectrum between radio and optical frequencies.

You stand a better chance of getting cancer listening to Fran Drescher do a rendition of Macarena while watching Rosie O'Donnell go down on Nadya Suleman.

Try convincing the EM sensitives that. I watched one get rather breathless and panicked when I told her she's exposed to more cancer causing radiation from a minute out in the sun than from talking on a cell phone, and holding my cell out as I talked. She babbled something about "blood/brain barrier" and then trailed off. She didn't believe me of course, but this nutter goes around town with a surgical mask and wonders why no one takes her seriously.

More amusing was she got more panicked as someone else (he's an instigator of shenanigans) loudly fiddled with his phone near her, and then smiled a mischievous smile when he saw me looking at him to see what was up.


CSB:
I actually talked sense in to one once. I had a guest who was complaining that the wifi I was providing in her furnished apartment was giving her headaches. I asked her how that was possible what with the cellphone tower on her block putting out so much radio power that the router might as well not even be on by comparison. She was like, "Ohhhhh CRAP."

So I said, "Look, you didn't even know about that until I told you. The truth is, you're in a highrise apartment building that whole building is also full of wireless routers, so just walking around in the building would give you a headache if that was the case, not just walking in to your apartment. Did you notice how many access points were visible from your apartment when you connected to yours? It was a bunch of them wasn't it. Here ...


Did you fark her, and pics?
 
2012-07-10 03:13:40 PM

cuzsis: shavethewhales: tankjr: So pretty soon cops won't even need to lie or call in a K9 for probable cause. They'll simply paint every passing motor vehicle operator with the laser and know immediately if they have cause to search your vehicle. I can imagine operations similar to the speed traps they have set up in some states. One hidden officer will lase all the targets and radio ahead to the heroic officers standing in the road directing filthy potheads to "PULL OVER!" to be searched.

they already tried this with thermal scanners looking for grow houses, SCOTUS said no go.
Kyllo v US

Two different things, I think.

-One, thermal scanners only tell you if a lot of heat is being produced. *Not* what that heat is being used for. You could, theoretically, just enjoy having a really warm house (or whatever.) There isn't any actual law stating that you can't produce more than x-amount of heat, so the thermal scanner doesn't actually detect any illegal activity.

-Two, we already have speed traps with radar. They don't have to "suspect" you are speeding. The gun tells them if you are and they decide whether or not to pull you over. This technology actually detects illegal activity (speeding in this case).

The current technology in question would likely fall under #2 since it detects what is actual "illegal activity", unlike the thermal scanner which only detects something that might be *related* to illegal activity.

They will have to calibrate it so they're not having issues with things like people who carry cash and such. But calibration is part of every tool used by law enforcement.

If they can calibrate it to catch things of note (x-amount of explosives or drugs, not related to incidental environmental exposure) and there's really no reason to think they can't at this time, this sort of tool would likely be used in all kinds of areas.


actually, that was closer to the dissents view, the majority's view authored by Scalia (shocker I know) was written in such a way that even advances in technology such as this were contemplated and rejected as unlawful searches. Of course cars are slightly different than houses, but cars have been held to have reasonable expectations of privacy. It is also the difference between "off the wall" searches and "through the wall" searches. Speeding is something that can be detected without invading the expectation of privacy within the vehicle (off the wall detection). Scanning the vehicles interior for contraband would not. (through the wall detection)
 
2012-07-10 03:19:08 PM

cuzsis: shavethewhales: tankjr: So pretty soon cops won't even need to lie or call in a K9 for probable cause. They'll simply paint every passing motor vehicle operator with the laser and know immediately if they have cause to search your vehicle. I can imagine operations similar to the speed traps they have set up in some states. One hidden officer will lase all the targets and radio ahead to the heroic officers standing in the road directing filthy potheads to "PULL OVER!" to be searched.

they already tried this with thermal scanners looking for grow houses, SCOTUS said no go.
Kyllo v US

Two different things, I think.

-One, thermal scanners only tell you if a lot of heat is being produced. *Not* what that heat is being used for. You could, theoretically, just enjoy having a really warm house (or whatever.) There isn't any actual law stating that you can't produce more than x-amount of heat, so the thermal scanner doesn't actually detect any illegal activity.

-Two, we already have speed traps with radar. They don't have to "suspect" you are speeding. The gun tells them if you are and they decide whether or not to pull you over. This technology actually detects illegal activity (speeding in this case).

The current technology in question would likely fall under #2 since it detects what is actual "illegal activity", unlike the thermal scanner which only detects something that might be *related* to illegal activity.

They will have to calibrate it so they're not having issues with things like people who carry cash and such. But calibration is part of every tool used by law enforcement.

If they can calibrate it to catch things of note (x-amount of explosives or drugs, not related to incidental environmental exposure) and there's really no reason to think they can't at this time, this sort of tool would likely be used in all kinds of areas.


Meh. I dispute the contention that this particular device can be or ever will be able to be "calibrated" to tell the difference between a $20 bill coated in cocaine residue and condom full of cocaine shoved up someone's rectum. On what basis? Because I said so.

And yes, a $20 bill used to snort coke is coated with ground-in residue, not just lightly dusted with microscopic traces. The same is true of gunpowder and the leather band of a watch worn while at the firing range.
 
2012-07-10 03:22:46 PM

thelordofcheese: special20: This has to be BS. Americans don't know what the heck "From 50 Meters Away" even means.

(For our friends inside the USA... 50 meters -> 164.041995 feet) - Splendid!


I like to play dumb and ask Europeans to show with their hands about how long a meter is. To which I then reply, "Oh, about the size of an average American's penis, then. Cool."
 
2012-07-10 03:26:42 PM

meat0918: You mentioned that story a month or two ago, and it is what inspired me to speak up when she started talking about it the dangerous EMF coming from the new smart meters the local utility is planning on installing at a local neighborhood meeting. I normally don't but the woo is getting so strong, I have to, otherwise people just accept what is being said

This woman was so far gone, I don't think I could reach her.



Someone read one of my long-ass stories? /squeal

And I don't doubt it, I think I got really lucky with that one. I probably sensed from our conversation up until then that she was fairly reasonable. IMHO a large number of human beings are simply irrational and cannot really be reasoned out of their fears, and someone who will scare themselves over something they have absolutely no understanding of - simply due to rumors - is usually going to be one of those unpersuadeable folks.
 
2012-07-10 03:29:22 PM

Shazam999: Did you fark her, and pics?



A gentleman never tells....... so yeah, I shagged that ol' biddy rotten. Over the phone while at work even!
 
2012-07-10 03:56:19 PM

MythDragon: PlatinumDragon: meat0918: Jesus.

The more I read, the more I laugh.

Their claims are not based in reality.

I hope you're right. If the device is real, and In-Q-Tel is involved, it's unlikely the actual inner workings will be revealed, and whatever reaches the press is memetic chaff to hide whatever is really under the hood.

Someone got the US to buy magical 'bomb-dowsing' rods, so why not this?
Source


Tom Clancy as an author died to me the day I read "Rainbow Six", because I'm not stupid enough to buy the premise of dowsing rods being able to find people behind walls and the like.
 
2012-07-10 04:13:31 PM

meat0918: mongbiohazard: meat0918: ..


Those 'read-from-the-street' gas meters may mpt emit hazardous radiation, but my parent's utility company installed theirs BACKWARDS, filled the house with gas during the night; it damn near killed 'em.

Fortunately, Dad believes in open windows 11 months a year...in New England.
 
2012-07-10 04:14:28 PM
I would consider purchasing one of these units for home use if it would tell me what my cats are thinking when I aimed it at them and pushed the button.
 
2012-07-10 04:22:17 PM

tricycleracer: I didn't realize there was a law against having a molecule of cocaine on my person.


You were probably eluding to this, but just throwing it out there 90 percent of U.S. bills carry traces of cocaine.
 
2012-07-10 04:43:27 PM
PunGent

2012-07-10 02:11:18 PM

Finger51: If true, these would be incredibly easy to defeat.

Just off the top of my head: Go to local gun store, buy 5 pound can of pyrodex (smokeless powder for rolling your own shotgun shells, muzzle loader etc.) drive to the airport parking lot and dump little piles of it around every entryway. Thousands of people an hour walking through those entryways on their way to flights. My $50 dollar investment in LULZ.
"OMG Sarge! Sound the alarm! EVERYONE'S A TURRIST!"

This.

There's already been at least one case where some poor bastard was walking through a high-sec airport, and stepped on some hashish somebody had tossed on the floor. A tiny speck on his shoes set off the drug sniffers, and he got detained a couple days.


He got more than a couple days: Keith Brown Jailed For Four Years In Dubai After Customs Found A Spec Of Marijuana Under His Shoe
 
2012-07-10 04:45:27 PM

Pilikia: thelordofcheese: special20: This has to be BS. Americans don't know what the heck "From 50 Meters Away" even means.

(For our friends inside the USA... 50 meters -> 164.041995 feet) - Splendid!

I like to play dumb and ask Europeans to show with their hands about how long a meter is. To which I then reply, "Oh, about the size of an average American's penis, then. Cool."


So...your mom has a meter-long penis?
 
2012-07-10 05:14:05 PM
How Americans see it:
Meters = Big Yards
50m = about 50yd
 
2012-07-10 05:59:03 PM

Canned Tamales: Pilikia: thelordofcheese: special20: This has to be BS. Americans don't know what the heck "From 50 Meters Away" even means.

(For our friends inside the USA... 50 meters -> 164.041995 feet) - Splendid!

I like to play dumb and ask Europeans to show with their hands about how long a meter is. To which I then reply, "Oh, about the size of an average American's penis, then. Cool."

So...your mom has a meter-long penis?


I LOL'd
 
2012-07-10 06:01:29 PM

question_dj: Fluorescent Testicle: Seriously, if this thing's anything more than a hoax, I expect to have my working portal gun by 2015.

Dubai is already using something similar.


Wait, Dubai has portal guns? No wonder they're broke, they must have spent all their money on enrichment centers!
 
Ral
2012-07-11 12:14:44 AM
There's no way this is real. I refuse to believe we have this technology at this point in our civilization.
 
2012-07-11 01:15:40 AM
Can they smell my farts from 50 meters away?
 
2012-07-11 01:28:00 AM

Bucky Katt: Can they smell my farts from 50 meters away?


Yes, but they don't even need a machine for that.

/seriously see a doctor
 
2012-07-11 02:58:42 PM

Pilikia: thelordofcheese: special20: This has to be BS. Americans don't know what the heck "From 50 Meters Away" even means.

(For our friends inside the USA... 50 meters -> 164.041995 feet) - Splendid!

I like to play dumb and ask Europeans to show with their hands about how long a meter is. To which I then reply, "Oh, about the size of an average American's penis, then. Cool."


(For our friends outside the USA... 1 meter -> 1 penis) - Yahoo!
 
2012-07-12 11:43:21 AM

3rdtimearound: not to sound naive, but if this technology even exists, wouldn't it be of more use in hospitals?


You are absolutely correct... If this was remotely realistic the last group to do it in 2008 would be mega billionaires and you would see this in labs and security companies EVERYWHERE. The long and short of it is, the tech didn't work last time and it doesn't work this time. It probably wont work next time, but one day it might work... and you will see a law suite for someone being burned by a laser that wasn't maintained properly.

FTFA
The technology is not new, it's just millions times faster and more convenient than ever before. Back in 2008, a team at George Washington University developed a similar laser spectrometer using a different process. It could sense drug metabolites in urine in less than a second, trace amounts of explosive residue on a dollar bill, and even certain chemical changes happening in a plant leaf
 
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