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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-10 11:04:16 AM
It's like a cancer. The redneck mentality is spreading to other countries now.
 
2012-07-10 11:06:27 AM

vpb: It's like a cancer.


Looks like they need to lop off Ontario and the Maritimes before it spreads.
 
2012-07-10 11:27:17 AM
Harper's decision on the long-form census is truly puzzling. The head of StatCan quit his position over Harper's decision and many municipalities (including my own) will now have to operate without critical census data that helped everything from social services to land use planning.
 
2012-07-10 11:29:23 AM
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Achtung, biatches! Chairman Steve, PM & drunk-with-power majority leader here.
I HATED that g'damn Thomas Dolby song "Blinded Me With Science" in high-school!
I asked Peggy Buttman to dance with me when it came on at the sock-hop but she brushed me off for the science club president.
Well, it's payback time! I'm gonna sh*t-can every government lab-coat squint from Tuktoyaktuk to Pele Island!
Private industry doesn't need bureaucrat slackies telling them where not to dump their hazardous waste.
It's a pain in the ass & stifles the economy!
So everyone - STFU about the mutant beavers chewing down telephone poles and enjoy economic stability!!
 
2012-07-10 02:08:34 PM

vpb: It's like a cancer. The redneck mentality is spreading to other countries now.


Some of his advisers are former Bush advisers, aren't they?

Rot at the core spreads outward.

//The core in this case being the US as the sole superpower.
 
2012-07-10 02:25:12 PM
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2012-07-10 02:32:20 PM
That's a clown assertion, bro.
 
2012-07-10 02:32:45 PM
Modern society is nothing but a monument to science. Your continued existence is owed to science, and only science. Get with it or just go to the middle-east already. There are plenty of Theocracies that would love the scorn you show science.
 
2012-07-10 02:33:24 PM
From another good article on the topic:

"In my view there are a lot of attempts in this country, and other countries too, to push through resource-based economies," said Prof John Smol, a freshwater lake biologist at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. "People working at ELA are constantly finding reasons why you can't just put a pipeline here, or an industry there, because there are going to be environmental costs."

Andrew Weaver, a climate scientist at the University of Victoria in British Columbia, was even more pointed. "It's not about saving money. It's about imposing ideology," he said. "What's happening here is that the government has an ideological agenda to develop the Canadian economy based on the extraction of oil out of the Alberta tar sands as quickly as possible and sell it as fast as it can, come hell and high water, and eliminate any barriers that stand in their way."


I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.
 
2012-07-10 02:33:25 PM
Wasn't it Nicholson that said "we (the Conservatives) don't govern based on statistics"? Reckon they don't govern based on facts either
 
2012-07-10 02:35:04 PM
According Kady O'Malley, the chant went something like:

What do we want?"
"SCIENCE!"
"When do we want it?"
"AFTER PEER REVIEW!"

I lol'ed.
 
2012-07-10 02:37:17 PM

Glenford: According Kady O'Malley, the chant went something like:

What do we want?"
"SCIENCE!"
"When do we want it?"
"AFTER PEER REVIEW!"

I lol'ed.


YOUR DOG WANTS STEAKINDEPENDENTLY DEMONSTRABLE PRINCIPLES
 
2012-07-10 02:37:42 PM
I have a feeling that Canada is like America in another respect.

We have 975 million to spend on a single football stadium.

Do you know how much medical research we can do for 975 million dollars? How many lives we could potentially save?

But please, continue to paint yourselves and scream about men running around on grass.

In Canada just substitute "football" for "hockey"
 
2012-07-10 02:39:03 PM
Included in the cuts is the defunding of the Experimental Lakes Area, which has a 40 year continuous monitoring record of non-human inhabited lakes. For more of this awful loss to enviromental science, clicky here: Link
 
2012-07-10 02:40:54 PM

randomjsa: I have a feeling that Canada is like America in another respect.

We have 975 million to spend on a single football stadium.

Do you know how much medical research we can do for 975 million dollars? How many lives we could potentially save?

But please, continue to paint yourselves and scream about men running around on grass.

In Canada just substitute "football" for "hockey"


Actually the parallel is uncanny. In the latest Canadian federal budget was $115 million for a new stadium in Toronto for the Pan Am games....
 
2012-07-10 02:41:38 PM
I really wish I'd been able to go to the rally today. This really is disgraceful, and for those who haven't been following, it's not just cuts, it's the wholesale closing down of critical research centres and their accumulated years of data.

Harper really does seem to believe that if the science is worth doing, the private sector will step up. Ignoring the fact that the private sector - while it does valuable research work, of course - has no public accountability, no public access to its results, and no responsibility to the public interest.

It also ignores the fact that some of the most valuable technological innovations and medical advances have sprung all unpredicted from pure, curiosity-driven research.

It ignores the fact that "returns on investment" can come years down the line, not just in the next fiscal quarter, because science is not a business, nor should it be run like one.

It ignores the fact that the taxpaying public has the goddamn right to read a newspaper interview with a publicly-supported scientist without a ministry handler present, because this isn't farking 1984.

It ignores the fact that one of the most valuable things scientists do is educate and inspire the next generation. Harper is essentially saying to kids everywhere, "fark your dreams. If you want to be an astrophysicist, do it on your own dime, because this country has no interest in supporting you unless you want to be a mining engineer in Fort McMurray."

Harper's government is good at ignoring facts.
 
2012-07-10 02:42:05 PM

randomjsa: I have a feeling that Canada is like America in anotherwith respect.


FTFY
 
2012-07-10 02:43:01 PM
Dear Canadians:
I wish to tender my apologies for allowing the turds in our political system to float up into America's Hat. My bad.
Sincerely: Former republican voter
 
2012-07-10 02:43:07 PM

randomjsa: I have a feeling that Canada is like America in another respect.

We have 975 million to spend on a single football stadium.

Do you know how much medical research we can do for 975 million dollars? How many lives we could potentially save?

But please, continue to paint yourselves and scream about men running around on grass.

In Canada just substitute "football" for "hockey"


You think that bad? What about the in Saskathoowan that cost at least twice that much with even few result? But once more, it only takes one ride around the pony park with these in charge to get a sense of how much of your ass they are tagging every day. It's the one thing too that when they so when it ever happens I always it.
 
2012-07-10 02:45:16 PM
ksetany:

Actually the parallel is uncanny. In the latest Canadian federal budget was $115 million for a new stadium in Toronto for the Pan Am games....

Well, $115 is nothing compared to the publicity they will receive from the Pan Am games! (WTF are the Pan Am games?!?!)
 
2012-07-10 02:45:27 PM

Karac: Dear Canadians:
I wish to tender my apologies for allowing the turds in our political system to float up into America's Hat. My bad.
Sincerely: Former republican voter


Oh HP HP go! That's rich coming from a with more than a to go! Nom AMCO better than half of the time, right! Hi HP go.
 
2012-07-10 02:46:15 PM
My phone sucks
 
2012-07-10 02:46:38 PM

Fifteenkeys: ksetany:

Actually the parallel is uncanny. In the latest Canadian federal budget was $115 million for a new stadium in Toronto for the Pan Am games....

Well, $115 is nothing compared to the publicity they will receive from the Pan Am games! (WTF are the Pan Am games?!?!)


Every year, a boy and girl are chosen as Tributes.
 
2012-07-10 02:48:24 PM

Spazmojack: My phone sucks


Phew, I thought you were having a stroke.
 
2012-07-10 02:48:58 PM
Conservatives are hell bent to stop the flow of facts that contradict their narrative. No statistics, no facts, it is pretty simple. Evil, but simple.
 
2012-07-10 02:49:41 PM

ksetany: Actually the parallel is uncanny. In the latest Canadian federal budget was $115 million for a new stadium in Toronto for the Pan Am games....


And let's not forget the billions for new prisons we're building, so we can house all those criminal pot smokers.

But we all know it's not about money for Harper and his cronies. It's about silencing facts that don't agree with their ideologies and their ability to bend over for industry.
 
paj
2012-07-10 02:50:06 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2012-07-10 02:55:51 PM

Glenford: Spazmojack: My phone sucks

Phew, I thought you were having a stroke.


I thought he was doing some kind of performance art by living up to his name.
 
2012-07-10 02:57:08 PM
It should be noted that Gary Goodyear, Harper's minister of state for science and technology, is a chiropractor and a creationist.

Facts and evidence are not high on his list of important things.
 
2012-07-10 02:58:05 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: Every year, a boy and girl are chosen as Tributes.


A hearty LOL
 
2012-07-10 03:00:55 PM
friendsofginandtonic.org

/hotlinked
 
2012-07-10 03:02:03 PM

jekxrb: From another good article on the topic:

"In my view there are a lot of attempts in this country, and other countries too, to push through resource-based economies," said Prof John Smol, a freshwater lake biologist at Queen's University in Kingston, Ontario. "People working at ELA are constantly finding reasons why you can't just put a pipeline here, or an industry there, because there are going to be environmental costs."

Andrew Weaver, a climate scientist at the University of Victoria in British Columbia, was even more pointed. "It's not about saving money. It's about imposing ideology," he said. "What's happening here is that the government has an ideological agenda to develop the Canadian economy based on the extraction of oil out of the Alberta tar sands as quickly as possible and sell it as fast as it can, come hell and high water, and eliminate any barriers that stand in their way."

I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.


You vote for scientist in Canada? Things you learn.
 
2012-07-10 03:10:29 PM

Spazmojack: My phone sucks


Yeah it does. I thought I was missing out on some inside jokes or memes, the possible stroke thing also came to mind.
 
2012-07-10 03:11:38 PM
My friend played the part of Death at the rally. Police estimate 2,200 people showed up for it which is far beyond the "few hundred" news seems to be reporting.

Stephen Harper couldn't care about the environment, because it gets in the way of sucking all of that oil from Alberta. Harper is a terrible PM, worst we've ever had.

His radical changes to our country are disgusting and sickening. We're Americanizing our criminal justice system (to which states such as Texas have gone so far as to try and tell us it just doesn't work!) and killing sciences related to health and environment.

Not my PM.
 
2012-07-10 03:20:23 PM

jekxrb:
I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.


It wasn't a case of people voting for the Conservatives, more like the chickens coming home to roost for the Liberal Party. They cultivated a split on the right to guarantee an easy win and essentially ignored their own base. Then the right got it's act(and parties) together and the NDP snagged the left-leaning voters who were pissed off at being ignored. End result, split on the center, center/left vote, Conservatives sneak in. Honestly instead of biatching the Liberal Party needs to get its shiat together and find a leader who can actually inspire the voter base.
 
2012-07-10 03:25:34 PM
Harper is laying off all the Federal Government scientists.

If an important question comes up in the future Canadians will just have to rely on either the industry study or the opposing interest group study. No room for the official Canadian study with the actual truth.
 
2012-07-10 03:25:39 PM

Flappyhead: jekxrb:
I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.

It wasn't a case of people voting for the Conservatives, more like the chickens coming home to roost for the Liberal Party. They cultivated a split on the right to guarantee an easy win and essentially ignored their own base. Then the right got it's act(and parties) together and the NDP snagged the left-leaning voters who were pissed off at being ignored. End result, split on the center, center/left vote, Conservatives sneak in. Honestly instead of biatching the Liberal Party needs to get its shiat together and find a leader who can actually inspire the voter base.


Harper got 39.6% of the vote, and 100% of the control. Man our Democratic system works so well.
 
2012-07-10 03:34:21 PM

vpb: It's like a cancer. The redneck mentality is spreading to other countries now.


Harper and a bunch of other big-wigs of the old Reform and Canadian Alliance parties that took over the Conservatives were all part of the Calgary school of economics, which was directly pulling from the whole Neo-Con movement in the US starting back in the 80's/90's. So yeah, thats exactly what happened.

Flappyhead: It wasn't a case of people voting for the Conservatives, more like the chickens coming home to roost for the Liberal Party. They cultivated a split on the right to guarantee an easy win and essentially ignored their own base. Then the right got it's act(and parties) together and the NDP snagged the left-leaning voters who were pissed off at being ignored. End result, split on the center, center/left vote, Conservatives sneak in. Honestly instead of biatching the Liberal Party needs to get its shiat together and find a leader who can actually inspire the voter base.


This. They also need to seriously attack on the various voting shenanigans and spending bullshiat the Conservatives have pulled just in the last few years. They dwarf Adscam by about an order of magnitude yet there were people in the last election who still wouldn't vote Liberal over what amounted to a few million dollars.
 
2012-07-10 03:43:32 PM

Flappyhead: jekxrb:
I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.

It wasn't a case of people voting for the Conservatives, more like the chickens coming home to roost for the Liberal Party. They cultivated a split on the right to guarantee an easy win and essentially ignored their own base. Then the right got it's act(and parties) together and the NDP snagged the left-leaning voters who were pissed off at being ignored. End result, split on the center, center/left vote, Conservatives sneak in. Honestly instead of biatching the Liberal Party needs to get its shiat together and find a leader who can actually inspire the voter base.


nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com

Maybe?
 
2012-07-10 03:49:05 PM
Two thoughts... Shiatting on the environment is the norm for conservatives. Also, isn't it interesting how quickly a country can turn from sound environmental policies to "fark it, let it all burn!" policies when they get a whiff of that sweet, sweet oil money?
 
2012-07-10 03:55:23 PM

toobsok: Flappyhead: jekxrb:
I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.

It wasn't a case of people voting for the Conservatives, more like the chickens coming home to roost for the Liberal Party. They cultivated a split on the right to guarantee an easy win and essentially ignored their own base. Then the right got it's act(and parties) together and the NDP snagged the left-leaning voters who were pissed off at being ignored. End result, split on the center, center/left vote, Conservatives sneak in. Honestly instead of biatching the Liberal Party needs to get its shiat together and find a leader who can actually inspire the voter base.

[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Maybe?


Too polarizing. I'd like to see Gerard Kennedy give it another go, or Marc Garneau.
 
2012-07-10 03:56:34 PM

patrick767: Two thoughts... Shiatting on the environment is the norm for conservatives. Also, isn't it interesting how quickly a country can turn from sound environmental policies to "fark it, let it all burn!" policies when they get a whiff of that sweet, sweet oil money?


We're selling off our oil (and the rights to suck it out of the ground) to foreign interests... we don't even control the production these days!

We're literally selling off our country under Harper, and we're going to pay for it soon.
 
2012-07-10 03:58:04 PM

Glenford: toobsok: Flappyhead: jekxrb:
I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.

It wasn't a case of people voting for the Conservatives, more like the chickens coming home to roost for the Liberal Party. They cultivated a split on the right to guarantee an easy win and essentially ignored their own base. Then the right got it's act(and parties) together and the NDP snagged the left-leaning voters who were pissed off at being ignored. End result, split on the center, center/left vote, Conservatives sneak in. Honestly instead of biatching the Liberal Party needs to get its shiat together and find a leader who can actually inspire the voter base.

[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Maybe?

Too polarizing. I'd like to see Gerard Kennedy give it another go, or Marc Garneau.


I also think Martha Hall Findley is starting to position herself for a run.
 
2012-07-10 04:00:16 PM
I may be overly optimistic but I think Harper may experience what the PCs went through in 1993. It won't be 2 seats bad, but it won't amount to many seats outside of Alberta. They've played all their cards too, as there is no more far-right groups to merge with to save their asses.
 
2012-07-10 04:05:31 PM

jekxrb: I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.


I live in the Thornhill riding and hence, I know a lot of people who voted for these assholes. Guess what, a lot of the voters are assholes as well. And yes, fark them very much indeed.

/Also, what the hell kind of country do we have where a 37% popular vote turns into an unbreakable parliamentary majority? It's time to find a way to count votes that doesn't end up with the centre and left splitting their votes so the right wing douchebags just coast to a "mandate".
 
2012-07-10 04:06:32 PM

toobsok: Flappyhead: jekxrb:
I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.

It wasn't a case of people voting for the Conservatives, more like the chickens coming home to roost for the Liberal Party. They cultivated a split on the right to guarantee an easy win and essentially ignored their own base. Then the right got it's act(and parties) together and the NDP snagged the left-leaning voters who were pissed off at being ignored. End result, split on the center, center/left vote, Conservatives sneak in. Honestly instead of biatching the Liberal Party needs to get its shiat together and find a leader who can actually inspire the voter base.

[nationalpostcomment.files.wordpress.com image 620x465]

Maybe?


Doubtful.
 
2012-07-10 04:12:10 PM

Mercutio74: jekxrb: I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.

I live in the Thornhill riding and hence, I know a lot of people who voted for these assholes. Guess what, a lot of the voters are assholes as well. And yes, fark them very much indeed.

/Also, what the hell kind of country do we have where a 37% popular vote turns into an unbreakable parliamentary majority? It's time to find a way to count votes that doesn't end up with the centre and left splitting their votes so the right wing douchebags just coast to a "mandate".


Weeners the Post. Just like the Americans.

If we went to proportional representation or weighted ballots or something it would be not just better for getting rid of the two (three) party system, it will give a far more accurate appraisal of the politics of Canadians. Effectively, we disenfranchise people who don't vote for CPC/Lib/NDP. There was one party which advocated changes to the Election Act, but without Layton, they will fade at the next election. If you think that the Tories or the Liberals will change the procedure to allow more parties into Parliament, you're dreaming.
 
2012-07-10 04:20:32 PM
Cooper420
We're literally selling off our country under Harper, and we're going to pay for it soon.

Ah yes, another great conservative principle... sell it all to private companies to line the pockets of the rich. I have some experience with that here in the great state of Indiana thanks to our governor, Mitch "Privatize Everything" Daniels. He wishes public schools weren't around among other things.
 
2012-07-10 04:22:27 PM

Mouldy Squid: Mercutio74: jekxrb: I don't know who voted for these assholes, but f*ck you very much.

I live in the Thornhill riding and hence, I know a lot of people who voted for these assholes. Guess what, a lot of the voters are assholes as well. And yes, fark them very much indeed.

/Also, what the hell kind of country do we have where a 37% popular vote turns into an unbreakable parliamentary majority? It's time to find a way to count votes that doesn't end up with the centre and left splitting their votes so the right wing douchebags just coast to a "mandate".

Weeners the Post. Just like the Americans.

If we went to proportional representation or weighted ballots or something it would be not just better for getting rid of the two (three) party system, it will give a far more accurate appraisal of the politics of Canadians. Effectively, we disenfranchise people who don't vote for CPC/Lib/NDP. There was one party which advocated changes to the Election Act, but without Layton, they will fade at the next election. If you think that the Tories or the Liberals will change the procedure to allow more parties into Parliament, you're dreaming.


fist off the conservatives benefited from the exact electoral system the liberals did in the 90's when the right vote was split they got their majority governments while only getting 36% or so of the vote. Second there is a nice thing about majority governments in that they do get stuff done it stops a lot of the gridlock that the states experience. In order fro anyone to beat the conservatives they have to prove them selves to be competent managers and not care about what people do in their private lives, neither of the oppositions parties have had a platform that indicated they would do so. So a lot of the electorate voted conservative. and in both respects the cons have governed that way as well. they have made some choices that I don't agree with, and members of their party are smarmy douches ( polievere, del maestro, toews, clement etc. ) but they have governed exactly the way they said they would during the election. The other parties have not been giving any alternatives other than opposition for the sake of opposition.
 
2012-07-10 04:25:15 PM
Gotta love Canadian political threads when all the herpderp'ing Eastern liberals come out and start shiatting over everything. You're all farkin' insane if you think anyone is going to go back to a Liberal majority any time soon.

Let's get Bob Rae as PM, so he can do to all of Canada what he did to Ontario in the 90s. Yeah! Good plan.
 
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