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(USA Today)   "If you play for the Yankees you get booed everywhere you go." - Robinson Cano, 2012 MLB All-Star Home Run Derby   (content.usatoday.com) divider line 319
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2012-07-10 04:22:05 PM  
If Butler had hit 35+ home runs this year fark would still be mad that a Royal was being considered. If ESPN would let you see games besides Bos/NY you would relize there quietly building a solid team. A starting rotation is the last part of it
 
2012-07-10 04:22:11 PM  

Wise_Guy: Marine1: Yahoo

"The 2012 version of the Home Run Derby became, at the very least, uncomfortable for New York Yankees second baseman Robinson Cano on Monday, July 9. At worst, it was embarrassing and cruel, as the fans who packed the stadium in Kansas City booed Cano unmercifully throughout his dismal performance."

The Yankee butthurt continues on from there.

I've read some in the other thread, about how Cano was put in a tight spot and how we aren't supposed to expect him to get off the roster after he exhausted himself. Please.

If you need to quote a Yahoo blogger, you've already lost the argument.

The only butthurt here is coming out of KC.


You must have missed the thread from last night. Damn, there was some insane Yankee butthurt last night.
 
2012-07-10 04:22:23 PM  
Thankfully USA today avoided editorializing this story.

I'm honestly growing weary of the expectation by sports media that fans should love a player because he is good or assume that because he is a good player that he must be a decent guy, too. Lebron is a great player but he is still a jerk. Just because he won a championship doesn't mean he is now a swell human being. He is just a great player. Michale Vick is a great player, he still killed dogs. Big Ben is still agreat player, he still has those accusations. Kobe is a great player, but he still has Colorado. Ty Cobb was a racist. And, as much as I believe in Zach Mettenberger as the savior for LSU, he is still the guy banished from Valdosta, GA. Robinson Cano is a great ball payer, but fans at KC hated on him because he did not select a Royals player for the derby.

I'm sad I'm contributing to this story just by stating my opinion that this shouldn't be a story, but I'm also tired of writers and media, mostly ESPN, trying to convince me a guy that plays a good game has to be loved by all fans.
 
2012-07-10 04:23:00 PM  

WTF Indeed: It will be hilarious when the Yankees get under the luxury tax limit in 2014 and all these teams have to spend more money.


Not entirely certain about that. I'm sure Cashman/Hal would love to, but there are too many variables, chief among them, Cano is due.
 
2012-07-10 04:23:56 PM  

Rex_Banner: Alan Trammell should be in the Hall of Fame. It sucks that he's going to fall short


Alan Trammell is a no-doubter in my mind. Watched the guy play through the 80s; (other than Ozzie Smith and Tommy Herr) him and Lou Whittaker were as good as it got up the middle.
 
2012-07-10 04:24:18 PM  

The Bestest: Fallacy.


Those are all major markets, KC is not.
 
2012-07-10 04:24:52 PM  

dcducote: Ty Cobb was a racist.


I'm reading Al Stump's book right now. He was truly a horrible, psychotic human being, but he could play ball.
 
2012-07-10 04:25:02 PM  

Levarien: But if the Royals spent 100 million, the Yankees would soon be spending 400 million.


Well they'd have to. Everyone knows that the only thing standing between the Yankees and another dynasty is the KC Royals.
 
2012-07-10 04:25:58 PM  

Di Atribe: IAmRight: Di Atribe: Disagrees

You only disagree because you started caring about baseball when the Rangers got competent. And even he thinks it sucks, which is why he declined to participate this year. =)

Excuse me? Fark you very much. That was out of line.


No Di he's right. Since we've only been watching/supporting Rangers baseball for 40 years, we're bandwagonners.
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2012-07-10 04:26:07 PM  

Rex_Banner: meanmutton: The Bestest: EyeballKid: Shiat, I meant shortstop. You know what I'm getting at.

You're seriously gonna make an argument against -Jeter- for the Hall?
'Kay.

/disregard if this is sarcasm.. my meter's in the shop

I love me some Alan Trammell and it's looking more and more like he's going to make the Hall of Fame. Either way, if Alan Trammell is a borderline Hall of Fame player, Jeter absolutely will make it.

Alan Trammell should be in the Hall of Fame. It sucks that he's going to fall short


In his first eleven years of eligibility, he has received the following percentage of votes: 15.7% (2002), 14.1% (2003), 13.8% (2004), 16.9% (2005), 17.7% (2006), 13.4% (2007), 18.2% (2008), 17.4% (2009), 22.4% (2010), 24.3% (2011) and 36.8% (2012). (from wikipedia)

There's a good chance he makes it.
 
2012-07-10 04:26:37 PM  

TheJoe03: The Bestest: Fallacy.

Those are all major markets, KC is not.


Really? Miami didn't act like it until they got the new stadium. Anaheim didn't act like one until they got the Fox Sports deal.
 
2012-07-10 04:27:59 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: If Butler had hit 35+ home runs this year fark would still be mad that a Royal was being considered. If ESPN would let you see games besides Bos/NY you would relize there quietly building a solid team. A starting rotation is the last part of it


Yeah, there's a huge conspiracy to keep KC down.
 
2012-07-10 04:29:33 PM  

Rex_Banner: Marine1: Rex_Banner: Marine1: But *especially* the Yankees fans... right? Right?

No. Not at all. I NEVER said that. Nothing even CLOSE to that. And if Cano wasn't there, I would not have had a fit..

All I said was that Cano is a bigger star and a bigger draw than Butler. He has more appeal to a national audience. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

Guess what: people are gonna tune into that derby whether that Yankee f*cker is on that squad or not. Now, with that in mind, do you let the hometown guy on there when Cano is too tired to play? Yes. The hometown fans would have had a better time, the crowd would have seemed happier on TV, and the results would have probably been the same for the AL, or maybe a little better.

It's not that no one will watch with Butler, it's that LESS people would watch with Butler. Joe Fan is much more likely to flip it off and check something else while Billy Butler is batting than while Cano is batting.

And if you replace Cano with Hamilton or Cabrera, I'd say the same thing


I'm confused -- are you saying that Cano is a bigger name nationally than Hamilton or Cabrera? Or are you saying that Billy Butler is less well known than Hamilton and Cabrera? Honestly, I'd say that Hamilton and Cabrera > Cano > Butler, but I have nothing to back that up with.
 
2012-07-10 04:30:15 PM  

Wise_Guy: Mid_mo_mad_man: If Butler had hit 35+ home runs this year fark would still be mad that a Royal was being considered. If ESPN would let you see games besides Bos/NY you would relize there quietly building a solid team. A starting rotation is the last part of it

Yeah, there's a huge conspiracy to keep KC down.


Why do you think they don't have an NBA or NHL team besides having a stadium just sitting there?
 
2012-07-10 04:30:22 PM  

Rwa2play: Really? Miami didn't act like it until they got the new stadium. Anaheim didn't act like one until they got the Fox Sports deal.


So you're saying they aren't major markets with a better ability to make money compared to small markets like KC?
 
2012-07-10 04:30:29 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: If Butler had hit 35+ home runs this year fark would still be mad that a Royal was being considered. If ESPN would let you see games besides Bos/NY you would relize there quietly building a solid team. A starting rotation is the last part of it


Has nothing to do with him being a Royal, it has to do with the fact that he is undeserving, and should not be included just by virtue of the fact that he is a Royal. Cano won the previous year, that was why he was captain, nothing to do with the fact that he was a Yankee.

As I asked earlier, explain why Ryan Braun should still be excluded, but Billy Butler included, using facts, and you will be able to convince me. Barring that, youse trolling.
 
2012-07-10 04:30:34 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: If Butler had hit 35+ home runs this year fark would still be mad that a Royal was being considered. If ESPN would let you see games besides Bos/NY you would relize there quietly building a solid team. A starting rotation is the last part of it


Bautista was there, do you think ESPN or any baseball fan outside of Toronto gives a crap about the Jays? Nobody had a problem with Bautista being there. And it would be the same for Butler if he had more than 16 dingers AND had hit more than 21 at least one other time before. He's not there yet.
 
2012-07-10 04:31:08 PM  

Rex_Banner: Marine1: Rex_Banner: Marine1: But *especially* the Yankees fans... right? Right?

No. Not at all. I NEVER said that. Nothing even CLOSE to that. And if Cano wasn't there, I would not have had a fit..

All I said was that Cano is a bigger star and a bigger draw than Butler. He has more appeal to a national audience. I don't see what's so hard to understand about that.

Guess what: people are gonna tune into that derby whether that Yankee f*cker is on that squad or not. Now, with that in mind, do you let the hometown guy on there when Cano is too tired to play? Yes. The hometown fans would have had a better time, the crowd would have seemed happier on TV, and the results would have probably been the same for the AL, or maybe a little better.

It's not that no one will watch with Butler, it's that LESS people would watch with Butler. Joe Fan is much more likely to flip it off and check something else while Billy Butler is batting than while Cano is batting.

And if you replace Cano with Hamilton or Cabrera, I'd say the same thing


No one's going to not watch it because Cano isn't there. If they like home runs, which everyone does, they'll watch.

Also, about this thing where it's for the audience at home... eh... it isn't really. It's for the fans at the stadium. That's why it's a big farking deal when the ALG comes to town. It happens once every few decades. The TV audience can see it on their screen anywhere every year. Don't pretend a television viewer means more than someone at the game itself, because they aren't more important. They're not a part of the community that's trying to put on the best show possible for the nation, putting a shiat ton of funding up on the civic level to make sure everything goes smoothly. Every city that hosts the ASG should get a spot on the HRD team. Period. It's the least you can do for the fans, especially in a place like KC, where there isn't much to cheer about.
 
2012-07-10 04:31:15 PM  

Wise_Guy: Mid_mo_mad_man: If Butler had hit 35+ home runs this year fark would still be mad that a Royal was being considered. If ESPN would let you see games besides Bos/NY you would relize there quietly building a solid team. A starting rotation is the last part of it

Yeah, there's a huge conspiracy to keep KC down.


It really is an unbelievable persecution complex they've got. If their owner doesn't care about winning, why should anybody outside of KC care?

And why would ESPN put a team that won't get ratings on their broadcast when their ad revenues are dictated by the number of viewers they get? It's a business, nobody would know that better than David Glass.
 
2012-07-10 04:31:22 PM  

Wise_Guy: Mid_mo_mad_man: If Butler had hit 35+ home runs this year fark would still be mad that a Royal was being considered. If ESPN would let you see games besides Bos/NY you would relize there quietly building a solid team. A starting rotation is the last part of it

Yeah, there's a huge conspiracy to keep KC down.


Never said that
 
2012-07-10 04:31:55 PM  
For the record, I'm trying to keep KC down
 
2012-07-10 04:32:16 PM  
I thought they were booing Chris Berman. That dude has no business calling baseball
 
2012-07-10 04:32:26 PM  
I'm SO trying to keep KC down.
 
2012-07-10 04:32:26 PM  

meanmutton: I'm confused -- are you saying that Cano is a bigger name nationally than Hamilton or Cabrera? Or are you saying that Billy Butler is less well known than Hamilton and Cabrera? Honestly, I'd say that Hamilton and Cabrera > Cano > Butler, but I have nothing to back that up with.


Hard to measure national recognition without a level of polling reserved for politics.
I will say though that Cano has at least one nationally-aired Nike commercial.
 
2012-07-10 04:33:05 PM  

Di Atribe: For the record, I'm trying to keep KC down


They're doing a fine job on their own.
 
2012-07-10 04:33:08 PM  

Di Atribe: For the record, I'm trying to keep KC down


robsul82: I'm SO trying to keep KC down.


You two pipe down about our shadowy junta to keep KC down.
 
2012-07-10 04:33:54 PM  

meanmutton: I'm confused -- are you saying that Cano is a bigger name nationally than Hamilton or Cabrera? Or are you saying that Billy Butler is less well known than Hamilton and Cabrera? Honestly, I'd say that Hamilton and Cabrera > Cano > Butler, but I have nothing to back that up with.


I could have worded that better. I'm saying that Cano, Hamilton and Cabrera are bigger names than Butler.

I'd say that Hamilton is the biggest name of the three and Cano and Cabby are roughly equal. I could see it going either way between the two.

/Of course, Cano was also the defending HRD champ and MLB handpicked him to participate
 
2012-07-10 04:33:58 PM  
The only reason they're booing him is because he insinuated he would pick Butler before he picked the team, and then didn't. Personally, it would have been extra classy for Matt Kemp to step aside due to injury and invite Butler in his place and damn the fact that he's in a different league.

And anyways, the Yankees have been long hated by Royals fans for poaching their talent like the Royals were the Yankees AAA farm team for decades
 
2012-07-10 04:34:43 PM  
Hi, I'm Killer Cars, and I'm a proud supporter of #keepKCdown
 
2012-07-10 04:36:19 PM  

Killer Cars: #keepKCdown


this needs to be a thing
 
2012-07-10 04:36:28 PM  

bhcompy: for poaching their talent like the Royals were the Yankees AAA farm team for decades


"Like the Royals were"?
 
2012-07-10 04:37:06 PM  

bhcompy: The only reason they're booing him is because he insinuated he would pick Butler before he picked the team, and then didn't. Personally, it would have been extra classy for Matt Kemp to step aside due to injury and invite Butler in his place and damn the fact that he's in a different league.

And anyways, the Yankees have been long hated by Royals fans for poaching their talent like the Royals were the Yankees AAA farm team for decades


Well, there's far more to it than that. The entire league does that and it could be fixed if Ass would be willing to spend some damned cash. The attitude of New York seems to be an encapsulation of the arrogant Noo Yawk attitude, which often disparages the "sticks" in the middle of the country... which Kansas City is more or less the cultural capital of.
 
2012-07-10 04:37:31 PM  

Marine1: Don't pretend a television viewer means more than someone at the game itself, because they aren't more important.


Except that they are, for a variety of reasons.

TV ad revenue dwarfs what teams get at the gate. There were 40,000 people in the stadium last night, which they knew would be the case LONG before the ASG rosters were announced. If ESPN got even ONE extra viewer from having Cano in the contest instead of Butler, from a financial perspective that decision made perfect sense.

The spectacle is for the host city, but where the game is played is largely irrelevant to the business of putting on a broadcast that'll be seen by millions of people across the country. Dems the breaks.
 
2012-07-10 04:37:40 PM  
food for thought:

what would've happened if the Royals kept Melky Cabrera this year?
 
2012-07-10 04:37:52 PM  

TheJoe03: Rwa2play: Really? Miami didn't act like it until they got the new stadium. Anaheim didn't act like one until they got the Fox Sports deal.

So you're saying they aren't major markets with a better ability to make money compared to small markets like KC?


If they were, they didn't act like one in FA and in-season trades.

IIRC, Miami's payroll between 2005-2011 was about the same size as A-Rod's contract during those years.

So yeah, Loria was a cheapskate bastard.
 
2012-07-10 04:38:50 PM  

Marine1: No one's going to not watch it because Cano isn't there.


For the millionth time: It's not about Cano. It's about "bigger draw than Butler". Lots of guys fit that category. Cano just happens to be the guy that MLB picked.

Marine1: Also, about this thing where it's for the audience at home... eh... it isn't really. It's for the fans at the stadium.


And we just disagree on this. That's fine. As I said in the other thread, if it is about the fans in the stadium and not the fans at home, Butler should have been there. I just don't think that's what it's about though.
 
2012-07-10 04:38:52 PM  

WTF Indeed: Di Atribe: For the record, I'm trying to keep KC down

robsul82: I'm SO trying to keep KC down.

You two pipe down about our shadowy junta to keep KC down.


We might just have to silence them now; they've said too much.
 
2012-07-10 04:39:29 PM  

The Bestest: Killer Cars: #keepKCdown

this needs to be a thing


Every time they lose, I want this trending on Twitter.


WTF Indeed: Di Atribe: For the record, I'm trying to keep KC down

robsul82: I'm SO trying to keep KC down.

You two pipe down about our shadowy junta to keep KC down.


The Rob-Di secret cabal is a secret no more. WE'VE BEEN FOUND OUT now we will be more powerful than ever!


/somehow
 
2012-07-10 04:40:22 PM  

Marine1: Every city that hosts the ASG should get a spot on the HRD team. Period. It's the least you can do for the fans, especially in a place like KC, where there isn't much to cheer about.


OK, I'm calling BS on you. If the HRD was hosted at Yankee Stadium you would not be insisting on a Yankee being on the team. In reality there'd most likely be a Yankee on the team anyway (Granderson or Cano, probably) but if they were all slumping that year and Bautista, Fielder, Hamilton and Dunn had 5 more HRs than anyone else, you'd be the first to scream bloody murder for a Yankee being put on the squad just because the game was in New York.
 
2012-07-10 04:40:33 PM  

Di Atribe: The Bestest: Killer Cars: #keepKCdown

this needs to be a thing

Every time they lose, I want this trending on Twitter.


I am so doing my part for this
 
2012-07-10 04:41:25 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Marine1: Don't pretend a television viewer means more than someone at the game itself, because they aren't more important.

Except that they are, for a variety of reasons.

TV ad revenue dwarfs what teams get at the gate. There were 40,000 people in the stadium last night, which they knew would be the case LONG before the ASG rosters were announced. If ESPN got even ONE extra viewer from having Cano in the contest instead of Butler, from a financial perspective that decision made perfect sense.

The spectacle is for the host city, but where the game is played is largely irrelevant to the business of putting on a broadcast that'll be seen by millions of people across the country. Dems the breaks.


Millions would have tuned in regardless of Cano's status. Besides, how many viewers do you think flipped the channel after he started to pass gas in the wind?

/if you're watching it just for a certain player you're doing it wrong
//watch for everyone
///everyone should include the host city's player
 
2012-07-10 04:42:01 PM  

idesofmarch: Marine1: Every city that hosts the ASG should get a spot on the HRD team. Period. It's the least you can do for the fans, especially in a place like KC, where there isn't much to cheer about.

OK, I'm calling BS on you. If the HRD was hosted at Yankee Stadium you would not be insisting on a Yankee being on the team. In reality there'd most likely be a Yankee on the team anyway (Granderson or Cano, probably) but if they were all slumping that year and Bautista, Fielder, Hamilton and Dunn had 5 more HRs than anyone else, you'd be the first to scream bloody murder for a Yankee being put on the squad just because the game was in New York.


Next year's ASG is at CitiField. I fully expect him to be vocal about Met representation in the HRD.
 
2012-07-10 04:42:38 PM  

Di Atribe: IAmRight: Di Atribe: Disagrees

You only disagree because you started caring about baseball when the Rangers got competent. And even he thinks it sucks, which is why he declined to participate this year. =)

Excuse me? Fark you very much. That was out of line.


Don't worry about it. He only started caring about baseball when the Marlins bought a title.
 
2012-07-10 04:42:55 PM  

idesofmarch: Marine1: Every city that hosts the ASG should get a spot on the HRD team. Period. It's the least you can do for the fans, especially in a place like KC, where there isn't much to cheer about.

OK, I'm calling BS on you. If the HRD was hosted at Yankee Stadium you would not be insisting on a Yankee being on the team. In reality there'd most likely be a Yankee on the team anyway (Granderson or Cano, probably) but if they were all slumping that year and Bautista, Fielder, Hamilton and Dunn had 5 more HRs than anyone else, you'd be the first to scream bloody murder for a Yankee being put on the squad just because the game was in New York.


I would, too. If they host it, they should have a spot. I hate the Yankees but I want the same rules for them as I do for us.
 
2012-07-10 04:43:33 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: Marine1: Don't pretend a television viewer means more than someone at the game itself, because they aren't more important.

Except that they are, for a variety of reasons.

TV ad revenue dwarfs what teams get at the gate. There were 40,000 people in the stadium last night, which they knew would be the case LONG before the ASG rosters were announced. If ESPN got even ONE extra viewer from having Cano in the contest instead of Butler, from a financial perspective that decision made perfect sense.

The spectacle is for the host city, but where the game is played is largely irrelevant to the business of putting on a broadcast that'll be seen by millions of people across the country. Dems the breaks.


Don't forget the revenue sharing means that without higher earning teams, KC, Pittsburgh, and Tampa Bay at the very least would actually lose money every year. The Brewers are starting to pull themselves out, and hopefully, TV ratings stay high enough to warrant a fat check from Fox when their deal comes up for renewal.
 
2012-07-10 04:43:42 PM  
I have never said in this post that people are trying to keep KC down. Since 2006 with the hiring of GM Moore the Royals have been sinking a lot more money in the farm and building a solid farm system and it's starting to pay off. Perez, Moose, etc. Call Glass cheap but he's right KC is not market that can buy a team. This ASG is a once in a 40 year event. Would have harmed no giving Butler some love.
 
2012-07-10 04:43:56 PM  

The Bestest: Next year's ASG is at CitiField. I fully expect him to be vocal about Met representation in the HRD.


Oh that's going to be priceless. A home run derby in Citifield? The winner's going to be whoever manages to hit one.
 
2012-07-10 04:45:21 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: I have never said in this post that people are trying to keep KC down. Since 2006 with the hiring of GM Moore the Royals have been sinking a lot more money in the farm and building a solid farm system and it's starting to pay off. Perez, Moose, etc. Call Glass cheap but he's right KC is not market that can buy a team. This ASG is a once in a 40 year event. Would have harmed no giving Butler some love.


This.
 
2012-07-10 04:45:34 PM  

Marine1: Millions would have tuned in regardless of Cano's status. Besides, how many viewers do you think flipped the channel after he started to pass gas in the wind?


You don't want to hear what I'm saying, so I'm going to stop. This is a business, and unfortunately for you, there ARE people who tune in just for one hitter. By the numbers, it makes more sense for that hitter to be from a bigger market than KC.

But just to reiterate, you are wrong in saying that people in the stadium are more important than the TV audience. There is absolutely no truth to that for a national TV broadcast.
 
2012-07-10 04:46:26 PM  

Marine1: I hate the Yankees but I want the same rules for them as I do for us.


They *do* have the same rules. There's no guarantee of a roster spot in the HRD for the home team. If a Royal had the numbers, he'd have gotten a spot - end of story.
 
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