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2012-07-10 11:50:46 AM  
Gotta feel bad for the contractors. I mean, some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.
 
2012-07-10 12:01:43 PM  
So kind of like the movie Spies Like Us? But its a suicide robot.
 
2012-07-10 12:03:17 PM  
Is the reactor shaft on this thing 2m wide?
 
2012-07-10 12:03:56 PM  
I wonder how many enlisted personnel will be sacraficed in the name of this project.
 
2012-07-10 12:06:18 PM  
What in the world do we need something like that for? 636 million dollars, really? Just so some college kid can pop a house full of popcorn?
 
2012-07-10 12:07:01 PM  

Evil Twin Skippy: Is the reactor shaft on this thing 2m wide?


I used to bullseye womprats in my T-16 back home, they're not much bigger than 2 meters.
 
2012-07-10 12:08:23 PM  
If I read that correctly, it's a kinetic weapon.

I've always wondered if DARPA (or the Russians) ever made one of those hypothetical "Rods from God"-type weapons where they launch a large, solid Tungsten rod at high speed towards a surface target, destroying it with pure kinetic energy like a meteorite.
 
2012-07-10 12:15:45 PM  

SmackLT: Gotta feel bad for the contractors. I mean, some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.


Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was. Dominick "Babyface" Bambino', the gangster. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine, based on personal politics.

That week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling. I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to his heart, not his wallet.
 
2012-07-10 12:16:54 PM  

ourbigdumbmouth: So kind of like the movie Spies Like Us? But its a suicide robot.


It might be for protecting us from aliens.

i235.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-10 12:25:24 PM  
Smell that pork... Feel the Nutter delusions...
 
2012-07-10 12:26:00 PM  
Mad_Radhu: Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was. Dominick "Babyface" Bambino', the gangster. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine, based on personal politics.

That week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling. I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to his heart, not his wallet.

*Internet high five*
 
2012-07-10 12:26:24 PM  
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2012-07-10 12:42:03 PM  

Grapple: What in the world do we need something like that for? 636 million dollars, really? Just so some college kid can pop a house full of popcorn?


You sound like a real genius.
 
2012-07-10 12:53:32 PM  
Does it really need to be called a "Kill Vehicle"? "Freedom Vehicle" or "Liberation Vehicle" has a much better ring to it.
 
2012-07-10 12:59:46 PM  

cgraves67: If I read that correctly, it's a kinetic weapon.

I've always wondered if DARPA (or the Russians) ever made one of those hypothetical "Rods from God"-type weapons where they launch a large, solid Tungsten rod at high speed towards a surface target, destroying it with pure kinetic energy like a meteorite.


I don't think so. Not because it wouldn't be a useful weapon (launch from an easily defended piece of domestic soil, hit anywhere on earth in 30 minutes or less or it's free), but because the delivery system is indistinguishable from an actual nuclear tipped ICBM until the warhead touches down. Too much chance for somebody to get all worried and start tossing real nukes. There was some question about basing them in space but that has its own concerns (weaponization of space* among them).

* It's easier to get something like this in under that bar since it's only a threat to actual ballistic missiles and is pretty much useless in striking targets in-atmosphere.
 
2012-07-10 01:06:08 PM  
Does anyone know where to get specifics on this comment, "+ EKV has had eight successful intercepts throughout the life of the program"?
 
2012-07-10 01:10:28 PM  
Old KKV is old.
 
2012-07-10 01:16:57 PM  

sassyfrancis: Does anyone know where to get specifics on this comment, "+ EKV has had eight successful intercepts throughout the life of the program"?


You can start here: http://missiledefense.wordpress.com/tag/exoatmospheric-kill-vehicle/ , and there's plenty of other sites that have focused on this program. They've all been tests, and I think it's about 8 out of 12 successful? That number could be straight out of my ass, though.
 
2012-07-10 01:18:59 PM  

sassyfrancis: Does anyone know where to get specifics on this comment, "+ EKV has had eight successful intercepts throughout the life of the program"?


My bad, 8 out of 16 successful - Link
 
2012-07-10 01:24:35 PM  

chechcal: sassyfrancis: Does anyone know where to get specifics on this comment, "+ EKV has had eight successful intercepts throughout the life of the program"?

My bad, 8 out of 16 successful - Link


Thanks very much! I must be suffering from poor Google-fu this morning.
 
2012-07-10 01:33:43 PM  

akula: cgraves67: If I read that correctly, it's a kinetic weapon.

I've always wondered if DARPA (or the Russians) ever made one of those hypothetical "Rods from God"-type weapons where they launch a large, solid Tungsten rod at high speed towards a surface target, destroying it with pure kinetic energy like a meteorite.

I don't think so. Not because it wouldn't be a useful weapon (launch from an easily defended piece of domestic soil, hit anywhere on earth in 30 minutes or less or it's free), but because the delivery system is indistinguishable from an actual nuclear tipped ICBM until the warhead touches down. Too much chance for somebody to get all worried and start tossing real nukes. There was some question about basing them in space but that has its own concerns (weaponization of space* among them).


I think the plan for rods from gods was that you orbit the rods years beforehand disguised as some general purpose communications satellite. Then when you want to shoot at somebody you just change the orbit to overhead of the target and then just drop a turd on them. There'd be no warning at all, just whatever you used to start the initial descent and any re-entry effects which would be to quick to distinguish from natural occurences.
 
2012-07-10 01:37:12 PM  

Karac: I think the plan for rods from gods was that you orbit the rods years beforehand disguised as some general purpose communications satellite.


There were a couple of plans. One was indeed the fake comm bird. The other was to just repurpose some ICBMs.

The fake sat idea has been around for a while (they kept kicking it around with the idea of using it for nuclear warheads), but I don't know if anybody's ever actually bothered to do it. If they did they actually kept it secret.
 
2012-07-10 02:12:41 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Good luck hitting an ICBM before the MIRV warheads seperate.

However, I suppose this may possibly be usefull against N.Korea/Iranian weaponry where they may be able to lob a single warehead at a time.
 
2012-07-10 02:12:59 PM  

Karac: akula: cgraves67: If I read that correctly, it's a kinetic weapon.

I've always wondered if DARPA (or the Russians) ever made one of those hypothetical "Rods from God"-type weapons where they launch a large, solid Tungsten rod at high speed towards a surface target, destroying it with pure kinetic energy like a meteorite.

I don't think so. Not because it wouldn't be a useful weapon (launch from an easily defended piece of domestic soil, hit anywhere on earth in 30 minutes or less or it's free), but because the delivery system is indistinguishable from an actual nuclear tipped ICBM until the warhead touches down. Too much chance for somebody to get all worried and start tossing real nukes. There was some question about basing them in space but that has its own concerns (weaponization of space* among them).

I think the plan for rods from gods was that you orbit the rods years beforehand disguised as some general purpose communications satellite. Then when you want to shoot at somebody you just change the orbit to overhead of the target and then just drop a turd on them. There'd be no warning at all, just whatever you used to start the initial descent and any re-entry effects which would be to quick to distinguish from natural occurences.


A satellite designed to throw kinetic impactors at the ground might be a problem under the Outer Space Treaty, which prohibits the establishment of military fortifications in orbit.

So if it exists, it is probably going to stay secret.
 
2012-07-10 02:21:18 PM  
Karac:
I think the plan for rods from gods was that you orbit the rods years beforehand disguised as some general purpose communications satellite. Then when you want to shoot at somebody you just change the orbit to overhead of the target and then just drop a turd on them.

It would be way, way cooler if it was an actual turd. Really a mass of feces comprising many turds, I suppose. It would remain preserved by the cold vacuum of space until launch time, at which point the frozen fecal mass, or "Icy B.M." if you will, would descend to obliterate the target.

Like all such schemes, it would not technically violate the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, but it would be grossly immoral under the document's stated principles of promoting the peaceful use of space.
 
2012-07-10 02:35:03 PM  

No Such Agency: Karac:
I think the plan for rods from gods was that you orbit the rods years beforehand disguised as some general purpose communications satellite. Then when you want to shoot at somebody you just change the orbit to overhead of the target and then just drop a turd on them.

It would be way, way cooler if it was an actual turd. Really a mass of feces comprising many turds, I suppose. It would remain preserved by the cold vacuum of space until launch time, at which point the frozen fecal mass, or "Icy B.M." if you will, would descend to obliterate the target.

Like all such schemes, it would not technically violate the Outer Space Treaty of 1967, but it would be grossly immoral under the document's stated principles of promoting the peaceful use of space.


The more weapons in space, the closer we get to a scenario where somebody's shooting down GPS, communication, and weather satellites. That would be unpleasant.
 
2012-07-10 02:59:28 PM  
Boondoggle.
 
2012-07-10 03:00:00 PM  

cgraves67: If I read that correctly, it's a kinetic weapon.

I've always wondered if DARPA (or the Russians) ever made one of those hypothetical "Rods from God"-type weapons where they launch a large, solid Tungsten rod at high speed towards a surface target, destroying it with pure kinetic energy like a meteorite.



Rod and Todd


listas.rpp.com.pe
 
2012-07-10 03:44:49 PM  
If we'd stuck with Brilliant Pebbles we'd already have this and be working on generation 2.

/Hooray for government wasting our time and money so they can cancel a project then start it up again later to waste more time and money.
 
2012-07-10 04:05:06 PM  

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: I wonder how many enlisted personnel will be sacraficed in the name of this project.


They're all on Dantooine
 
2012-07-10 04:07:09 PM  

Mad_Radhu: SmackLT: Gotta feel bad for the contractors. I mean, some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.

Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was. Dominick "Babyface" Bambino', the gangster. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine, based on personal politics.

That week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling. I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to his heart, not his wallet.


t0.gstatic.com

/remind me never to become friends with you.
 
2012-07-10 04:12:05 PM  

Hyjamon: Mad_Radhu: SmackLT: Gotta feel bad for the contractors. I mean, some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.

Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was. Dominick "Babyface" Bambino', the gangster. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine, based on personal politics.

That week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling. I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to his heart, not his wallet.

[t0.gstatic.com image 243x207]

/remind me never to become friends with you.


Ewwwwwwww, you got your Princess Bride in my Clerks
 
2012-07-10 05:11:12 PM  

my_cats_breath_smells_like_cat_food: Hyjamon: Mad_Radhu: SmackLT: Gotta feel bad for the contractors. I mean, some juicy government contract comes your way; you got the wife and kids and the two-story in suburbia - this is a government contract, which means all sorts of benefits. All of a sudden these left-wing militants blast you with lasers and wipe out everyone within a three-mile radius. You didn't ask for that. You have no personal politics. You're just trying to scrape out a living.

Three months ago I was offered a job up in the hills. A beautiful house with tons of property. It was a simple reshingling job, but I was told that if it was finished within a day, my price would be doubled. Then I realized whose house it was. Dominick "Babyface" Bambino', the gangster. The money was right, but the risk was too big. I knew who he was, and based on that, I passed the job on to a friend of mine, based on personal politics.

That week, the Foresci family put a hit on Babyface's house. My friend was shot and killed. He wasn't even finished shingling. I'm alive because I knew there were risks involved taking on that particular client. My friend wasn't so lucky. You know, any contractor willing to work on that Death Star knew the risks. If they were killed, it was their own fault. A roofer listens to his heart, not his wallet.

[t0.gstatic.com image 243x207]

/remind me never to become friends with you.

Ewwwwwwww, you got your Princess Bride in my Clerks


d'oh, sorry I missed the reference, has been forever since I have seen that movie and I wasn't exactly sober at the time.
 
2012-07-10 05:35:29 PM  

Karac: akula: cgraves67: If I read that correctly, it's a kinetic weapon.

I've always wondered if DARPA (or the Russians) ever made one of those hypothetical "Rods from God"-type weapons where they launch a large, solid Tungsten rod at high speed towards a surface target, destroying it with pure kinetic energy like a meteorite.

I don't think so. Not because it wouldn't be a useful weapon (launch from an easily defended piece of domestic soil, hit anywhere on earth in 30 minutes or less or it's free), but because the delivery system is indistinguishable from an actual nuclear tipped ICBM until the warhead touches down. Too much chance for somebody to get all worried and start tossing real nukes. There was some question about basing them in space but that has its own concerns (weaponization of space* among them).

I think the plan for rods from gods was that you orbit the rods years beforehand disguised as some general purpose communications satellite. Then when you want to shoot at somebody you just change the orbit to overhead of the target and then just drop a turd on them. There'd be no warning at all, just whatever you used to start the initial descent and any re-entry effects which would be to quick to distinguish from natural occurences.


Good idea, but you might as well drop a nuke. The response is going to be the same either way.

/MAD really does work... you get creative, I'm still going to turn your country into a crater
//And visa versa
 
2012-07-10 05:50:25 PM  
FTFA:

The EKV also has its own propulsion, communications link, discrimination algorithms, guidance and control system and computers to support target selection and intercept.

Well, I can't see how that could POSSIBLY go wrong.
 
2012-07-11 02:31:02 AM  

No Such Agency: "Icy B.M."


chztotsandgiggles.files.wordpress.com

Thanks a lot. Now my sinuses smell like milk.
 
2012-07-11 12:58:03 PM  
windmillfighter.files.wordpress.com

Good...good...
 
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