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2012-07-10 09:23:12 AM  
The "Warmers" are jizzing all over their Al Gore posters.
 
2012-07-10 09:25:02 AM  
Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.
 
2012-07-10 09:39:19 AM  

cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.


I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.
 
2012-07-10 09:41:22 AM  

Vodka Zombie: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.


I'm not saying that there isn't life outside of my state. What I am saying is that this weather is farking weird. It should not be this cool in July.
 
2012-07-10 10:09:28 AM  

cman: Vodka Zombie: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.

I'm not saying that there isn't life outside of my state. What I am saying is that this weather is farking weird. It should not be this cool in July.


Heh, I was coming in to say the exact same thing, and I'm in HOUSTON. It's rained every day for the past 2 weeks. We haven't had this much rain during summer in like the past 3 summers combined. I'm enjoying it believe me, it's nice to stock up before the eventual scorch season.
 
2012-07-10 10:24:41 AM  

cman: Vodka Zombie: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.

I'm not saying that there isn't life outside of my state. What I am saying is that this weather is farking weird. It should not be this cool in July.


The rest of the country is hogging the sun.
 
2012-07-10 10:34:41 AM  

Vodka Zombie: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.


But that might disrupt the cman's eloquent take-down of climate change!

After all, if we use warm summers as proof of "global warming" then what does that do for their use of snow to disprove it?
 
2012-07-10 10:36:25 AM  

SphericalTime: Vodka Zombie: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.

But that might disrupt the cman's eloquent take-down of climate change!

After all, if we use warm summers as proof of "global warming" then what does that do for their use of snow to disprove it?


Yes, because the first thing I said in this thread was that "global warming is a myth"
 
2012-07-10 10:49:11 AM  

cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.


That's why it's been called climate change.

It's cool in the PNW too.

Here's a question though. When do they start/stop declaring the high heat a heat wave? When it is a few degrees above average?

Off to teh Googles.

Oh, here it is.

"The National Weather Service will initiate alert procedures when the Heat Index is expected to exceed 105°- 110°F (depending on local climate) for at least 2 consecutive days

Heat Index chart - click to enlarge IMPORTANT: Since HI values were devised for shady, light wind conditions, EXPOSURE TO FULL SUNSHINE CAN INCREASE HI VALUES BY UP TO 15°F. Also, STRONG WINDS, PARTICULARLY WITH VERY HOT, DRY AIR, CAN BE EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS.

Note on the Heat Index Chart shaded zone above 105°F. This corresponds to a level of HI that may cause increasingly severe heat disorders with continued exposure and/or physical activity." Link

Didn't realize the HI was devised in the farking SHADE!!!!
 
2012-07-10 11:00:25 AM  

meat0918: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

That's why it's been called climate change.

It's cool in the PNW too.

Here's a question though. When do they start/stop declaring the high heat a heat wave? When it is a few degrees above average?

Off to teh Googles.

Oh, here it is.

"The National Weather Service will initiate alert procedures when the Heat Index is expected to exceed 105°- 110°F (depending on local climate) for at least 2 consecutive days

Heat Index chart - click to enlarge IMPORTANT: Since HI values were devised for shady, light wind conditions, EXPOSURE TO FULL SUNSHINE CAN INCREASE HI VALUES BY UP TO 15°F. Also, STRONG WINDS, PARTICULARLY WITH VERY HOT, DRY AIR, CAN BE EXTREMELY HAZARDOUS.

Note on the Heat Index Chart shaded zone above 105°F. This corresponds to a level of HI that may cause increasingly severe heat disorders with continued exposure and/or physical activity." Link

Didn't realize the HI was devised in the farking SHADE!!!!


Heat index is derived in the shade so it is consistent. Otherwise any time a cloud shows up, it suddenly drops.
 
2012-07-10 11:04:20 AM  

cman: SphericalTime: Vodka Zombie: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.

But that might disrupt the cman's eloquent take-down of climate change!

After all, if we use warm summers as proof of "global warming" then what does that do for their use of snow to disprove it?

Yes, because the first thing I said in this thread was that "global warming is a myth"


no, AGW is a myth.
 
2012-07-10 11:06:37 AM  

scottydoesntknow: cman: Vodka Zombie: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.

I'm not saying that there isn't life outside of my state. What I am saying is that this weather is farking weird. It should not be this cool in July.

Heh, I was coming in to say the exact same thing, and I'm in HOUSTON. It's rained every day for the past 2 weeks. We haven't had this much rain during summer in like the past 3 summers combined. I'm enjoying it believe me, it's nice to stock up before the eventual scorch season.


We've been unseasonably cool and rainy here too in my little corner of Kansas. That's not to say we haven't had our hot days, but it's no where near what it was last summer. We've seen more rain this year than we have in the last three combined and temperatures have been on average of 10 degrees cooler. Hell, it isn't even 70 degrees right now. Sitting at 68.

It seems like every year about this time, the weather gets a little hotter and some places get hotter than others. AND some places break heat records while some places don't.

it's like some kind of weird cycle. Maybe we should all just stop and panic.
 
2012-07-10 11:11:27 AM  

Raug the Dwarf: scottydoesntknow: cman: Vodka Zombie: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.

I'm not saying that there isn't life outside of my state. What I am saying is that this weather is farking weird. It should not be this cool in July.

Heh, I was coming in to say the exact same thing, and I'm in HOUSTON. It's rained every day for the past 2 weeks. We haven't had this much rain during summer in like the past 3 summers combined. I'm enjoying it believe me, it's nice to stock up before the eventual scorch season.

We've been unseasonably cool and rainy here too in my little corner of Kansas. That's not to say we haven't had our hot days, but it's no where near what it was last summer. We've seen more rain this year than we have in the last three combined and temperatures have been on average of 10 degrees cooler. Hell, it isn't even 70 degrees right now. Sitting at 68.

It seems like every year about this time, the weather gets a little hotter and some places get hotter than others. AND some places break heat records while some places don't.

it's like some kind of weird cycle. Maybe we should all just stop and panic.


Nationally, this has been the hottest 12 months on record, breaking the record set LAST month for the 12 months before that.
 
2012-07-10 11:15:38 AM  

GAT_00: Raug the Dwarf: scottydoesntknow: cman: Vodka Zombie: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.

I'm not saying that there isn't life outside of my state. What I am saying is that this weather is farking weird. It should not be this cool in July.

Heh, I was coming in to say the exact same thing, and I'm in HOUSTON. It's rained every day for the past 2 weeks. We haven't had this much rain during summer in like the past 3 summers combined. I'm enjoying it believe me, it's nice to stock up before the eventual scorch season.

We've been unseasonably cool and rainy here too in my little corner of Kansas. That's not to say we haven't had our hot days, but it's no where near what it was last summer. We've seen more rain this year than we have in the last three combined and temperatures have been on average of 10 degrees cooler. Hell, it isn't even 70 degrees right now. Sitting at 68.

It seems like every year about this time, the weather gets a little hotter and some places get hotter than others. AND some places break heat records while some places don't.

it's like some kind of weird cycle. Maybe we should all just stop and panic.

Nationally, this has been the hottest 12 months on record, breaking the record set LAST month for the 12 months before that.


That's what I hear. But we're just not seeing it in this area.
 
2012-07-10 11:20:07 AM  
If Global Warming is a myth because there's no solid evidence of it, doesn't the same logic make God a myth too?
 
2012-07-10 11:20:58 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: The "Warmers" are jizzing all over their Al Gore posters.


It is always the deniers that bring up Al Gore.

To the rest of the world Al Gore is a washed up politician. But to deniers, he is a rally flag justifying their denial of science in the name of politics.

/truly shows your colors
 
2012-07-10 11:22:12 AM  
"Warmers"?

Start equating science of climate change with whacko Birthers and you're asking for a push-down.

blogs.cas.suffolk.edu

www.cartoonstock.com
 
2012-07-10 11:24:13 AM  

cman: Vodka Zombie: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

I'm pretty sure there's a map you could consult, a person you could speak to, or maybe even a different zip code you could plug into your weather widget.

There is life outside of Maine.

I'm not saying that there isn't life outside of my state. What I am saying is that this weather is farking weird. It should not be this cool in July.


New Scientist has a really good article this week. Not only are the weather anomalies getting larger, the distribution is getting wider. If you picture the distribution of occurrences of temperatures as deviations from the local norm, you get a (rough) bell curve. What appears to be happening is that not only is the whole curve moving to the right (higher average temperatures everywhere), the curve is flattening and widening (higher probability of extreme variation from the average in both directions).

The picture is here, but you many need to be a NS subscriber to get to it.
 
2012-07-10 11:24:48 AM  
The problem is that Dallas hasn't broke 100 more than a few days this year. I think last summer we did 100 above 100, or something like that. It was almost like we were trying for a personal best of 100 degree days in a row. For the past few days there have been scattered storms in the area, although none of them have touched me.

And here's a thought, turn your AC to not kick on below 85-88 degrees during the day, and have it cool your place to 78 after midnight when it starts to be cool outside. My experience is that the AC hardly runs during the day now, when it's least efficient because it's trying to dump heat into hot air.

/I should wash my truck
//That'll make it rain here
 
2012-07-10 11:28:11 AM  

czetie: New Scientist has a really good article this week. Not only are the weather anomalies getting larger, the distribution is getting wider. If you picture the distribution of occurrences of temperatures as deviations from the local norm, you get a (rough) bell curve. What appears to be happening is that not only is the whole curve moving to the right (higher average temperatures everywhere), the curve is flattening and widening (higher probability of extreme variation from the average in both directions).

The picture is here, but you many need to be a NS subscriber to get to it.


Wow ... that is an interesting graph (no subscription needed). And that just describes the temperature distribution. How will this shift play out in weather events?
 
2012-07-10 11:30:02 AM  
It's so farking hot in Canada. I just moved here from Texas, but at least down there we had AC. Canadians are seemingly content to just melt in their houses.
 
2012-07-10 11:31:16 AM  

wildcardjack: The problem is that Dallas hasn't broke 100 more than a few days this year. I think last summer we did 100 above 100, or something like that. It was almost like we were trying for a personal best of 100 degree days in a row. For the past few days there have been scattered storms in the area, although none of them have touched me.

And here's a thought, turn your AC to not kick on below 85-88 degrees during the day, and have it cool your place to 78 after midnight when it starts to be cool outside. My experience is that the AC hardly runs during the day now, when it's least efficient because it's trying to dump heat into hot air.

/I should wash my truck
//That'll make it rain here


Last year, we had 60 consecutive days over 100. Not too far, geographically, from you. This year we've had around 8-10 non-consecutive days that were over 100. Just weird.
 
2012-07-10 11:31:27 AM  
I had to wear a jacket when I biked into work today.

Suck it southerners.
 
2012-07-10 11:36:18 AM  

Meanwhile at climate change denier headquarters.....



www.welovetheiraqiinformationminister.com

There is no global climate change. Our glorious GOP leaders
assure me that there is no cause for concern. The infidel "scientists"
will be defeated by supermen like Limbaugh and Beck.

Ronald Regan (blessings be upon him) would be proud of what we
have done here. We will be remembered for our brave ignoring of
the "facts". We will be remembered for loving freedom and not worshiping
at the heathen altar of their so called "scientific consensus"!

 
2012-07-10 11:37:32 AM  

chuckufarlie: no, AGW is a myth.


Seriously. Those goalposts were moved years ago.
 
2012-07-10 11:37:57 AM  

Farking Canuck: jehovahs witness protection: The "Warmers" are jizzing all over their Al Gore posters.

It is always the deniers that bring up Al Gore.

To the rest of the world Al Gore is a washed up politician. But to deniers, he is a rally flag justifying their denial of science in the name of politics.

/truly shows your colors


THIS


I have NEVER heard a climate change activist bring up Al Gore. He is just a straw man / boogeyman for the deniers to tilt with.
 
2012-07-10 11:40:16 AM  
Nuthin to do wtih me!! (Start the 4x4, Lucy!) Nope i ain't dun goin to be all to bothered with this nonsence (Just throw that crap in the burn barrel, son!) And if you think some pointy head can make me feel guilty about being free, well let me tell you. Billions of creatures pouring billions of tons of chemicals into the limited airsapce, generation after generation, is no cause for me to give a moments thought to any sense of responsibilty whatsever, becauue Mother Nature (tm) is so much bigger than us little old inconsequenital billions upon untold billions of crap-combusting humans and the vast (but inconsequential) volume of polluting shiat we have puked into a closed system.
 
2012-07-10 11:42:32 AM  
I live in Lincoln, Nebraska and we had multiple 100F days, thankfully it's cooled off a bit today finally.

There were big chunks of asphalt on the roads next to manholes where, I assume, the metal expanded so much in the heat it broke the concrete out and made all these chuckholes everywhere.
 
2012-07-10 11:42:58 AM  

cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.


Where were you over the weekend, it was 85+ in Lewiston.

/good thing I had some Baxters
 
2012-07-10 11:43:44 AM  

3.bp.blogspot.com

thinkprogress.org

www.utahwildernessatlas.net

2.bp.blogspot.com


At this point , global warming deniers sound a lot like evolution deniers.
 
2012-07-10 11:53:29 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: Al Gore


Drink!

jfarkinB: chuckufarlie: no, AGW is a myth.

Seriously. Those goalposts were moved years ago.


Keep in mind that chuckufarlie/nicksteel/spitzer_wannabe/FlashLV is very likely mentally ill, and previously outed himself as posting literally hundreds of times on Google Groups with bizarre, occasionally anti-Semitic rants about climate change. These rants weren't even restricted to climate change discussions-- they'd show up in math threads and the like. Check his posts here, and you'll see the same unhinged pattern. He'll respond viscerally, never support his assertions, flat-out ignore scientific data being spoon-fed to him, and invoke global conspiracies involving a "new world order" and the like to cover it all up.

He's in denial up to his neck, and he'll never, ever change his view.

czetie: New Scientist has a really good article this week. Not only are the weather anomalies getting larger, the distribution is getting wider. If you picture the distribution of occurrences of temperatures as deviations from the local norm, you get a (rough) bell curve. What appears to be happening is that not only is the whole curve moving to the right (higher average temperatures everywhere), the curve is flattening and widening (higher probability of extreme variation from the average in both directions).


There's a recent preprint on arXiv that addresses this topic as well. Your bell curve explanation is concise and accurate.
 
2012-07-10 11:56:41 AM  

Mekanikos: It's so farking hot in Canada. I just moved here from Texas, but at least down there we had AC. Canadians are seemingly content to just melt in their houses.


Not used to humidity eh? I thought it was bad in in Indiana until I visited Minnesota.
 
2012-07-10 12:01:15 PM  

SpectroBoy: Ronald Regan (blessings be upon him) would be proud of what we
have done here. We will be remembered for our brave ignoring of
the "facts". We will be remembered for loving freedom and not worshiping
at the heathen altar of their so called "scientific consensus"!


Actually, the Reagan Administration came up with the concept for cap and trade as a sensible way to reduce emissions.

Reagan also signed the Montreal Protocol, initiating the eventual ban on CFCs that harm the ozone layer.

I'm not saying that Ronald Reagan was a great steward of the environment overall, but he could be reasoned with, and scientific evidence was considered. The modern climate denial movement has moved very, very far from the Republicans of the 1980s, and it's probably unfair to Reagan to compare the two. Can you imagine the far right's reaction today to a President sending a treaty to the Senate for ratification with the claim "In this historic agreement, the international community undertakes cooperative measures to protect a vital global resource."?

Those morons would scream "soshalism!!!!" until their spleens fell out of their body.
 
2012-07-10 12:09:45 PM  

chimp_ninja: I'm not saying that Ronald Reagan was a great steward of the environment overall, but he could be reasoned with, and scientific evidence was considered. The modern climate denial movement has moved very, very far from the Republicans of the 1980s, and it's probably unfair to Reagan to compare the two. Can you imagine the far right's reaction today to a President sending a treaty to the Senate for ratification with the claim "In this historic agreement, the international community undertakes cooperative measures to protect a vital global resource."?


Science used to be held in a different regard by politicians -- they might not have understood it, but time and again the answer to problems was "solve it with science." Remember that Reagan was president when the proposed solution to global nuclear war was to shoot lasers from space.

Now, though, the boomer and post-boomer generation of politicians wants to solve things by applying common sense, folksy wisdom, or simply ignoring problems and hoping they'll go away.
 
2012-07-10 12:10:40 PM  

chimp_ninja:
Those morons would scream "soshalism!!!!" until their spleens fell out of their body.


Yes... but they are also against medicine as a social good. Should we take them to a hospital, or simply have a faith healer come by and do some mumbo jumbo?
 
2012-07-10 12:14:55 PM  

Farking Canuck: czetie: New Scientist has a really good article this week. Not only are the weather anomalies getting larger, the distribution is getting wider. If you picture the distribution of occurrences of temperatures as deviations from the local norm, you get a (rough) bell curve. What appears to be happening is that not only is the whole curve moving to the right (higher average temperatures everywhere), the curve is flattening and widening (higher probability of extreme variation from the average in both directions).

The picture is here, but you many need to be a NS subscriber to get to it.

Wow ... that is an interesting graph (no subscription needed). And that just describes the temperature distribution. How will this shift play out in weather events?


Short summary of the associated article: We don't know for sure, but nothing good. Probably more frequent heat waves like last week's that hit most of the east coast; more instances of prolonged drought followed by extreme rainfall; basically more instances of every kind of weather extreme. Worryingly, the shift is bigger and sooner even than current climate models have predicted.

The article gets into some possible reasons. One interesting one is that vegetation may play a bigger role than current models allow for. Basically, vegetation has a cooling effect by taking up groundwater and transpiring it into the atmosphere (the article says to think of it as being like the ground is sweating!). As the heat increases the ground runs dry, and this process shuts down, which makes the heat even higher in a vicious circle... This process is really hard to model because it depends on details of the vegetation such as shallow rooted vs. deep rooted plants.
 
2012-07-10 12:18:07 PM  

SpectroBoy: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 576x432]

[thinkprogress.org image 480x406]

[www.utahwildernessatlas.net image 524x421]

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 640x432]


At this point , global warming deniers sound a lot like evolution deniers.


why do you dipshiats always bring religion into this? You post a bunch of nonsense and then toss in religion,

Did you even LOOK at your images? They are all nonsense.

The first one shows an increase of less than one degree Celsius. Does that get your little panties all twisted?

The second one is just nonsense.

The third one is bullshiat - the temperature data prior to 1850 is based on PROXY DATA. That "data" has an error factor that is greater than the amount of change that it shows.

The fourth one is an illustration of the stupidity of the person who created it because not one of those items listed is addressed in any of the proposed "solutions" for this "problem". Posting it also displays your own ignorance.

Come up with something intelligent, if you can.
 
2012-07-10 12:19:31 PM  

chuckufarlie: Did


We get it, you don't understand science. Babbling on and on like this to remind everyone that you don't understand science is just silly and unnecessary.
 
2012-07-10 12:20:04 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Heh, I was coming in to say the exact same thing, and I'm in HOUSTON. It's rained every day for the past 2 weeks. We haven't had this much rain during summer in like the past 3 summers combined. I'm enjoying it believe me, it's nice to stock up before the eventual scorch season.


That's a goddamned lie. Last week, yes. Before that, fark no, 95-105 heat.
 
2012-07-10 12:20:26 PM  

moistD: cman: Where is all this heat?

This has been one of the coolest summers we have had in years up here in Maine. I mean, its 70 degrees in July. This is not normal.

Where were you over the weekend, it was 85+ in Lewiston.

/good thing I had some Baxters


Stoned out of my mind in my apartment from Friday to Sunday. I don't leave my apartment when I go on amphetamine binges
 
2012-07-10 12:20:55 PM  

chimp_ninja: jehovahs witness protection: Al Gore

Drink!

jfarkinB: chuckufarlie: no, AGW is a myth.

Seriously. Those goalposts were moved years ago.

Keep in mind that chuckufarlie/nicksteel/spitzer_wannabe/FlashLV is very likely mentally ill, and previously outed himself as posting literally hundreds of times on Google Groups with bizarre, occasionally anti-Semitic rants about climate change. These rants weren't even restricted to climate change discussions-- they'd show up in math threads and the like. Check his posts here, and you'll see the same unhinged pattern. He'll respond viscerally, never support his assertions, flat-out ignore scientific data being spoon-fed to him, and invoke global conspiracies involving a "new world order" and the like to cover it all up.

He's in denial up to his neck, and he'll never, ever change his view.

czetie: New Scientist has a really good article this week. Not only are the weather anomalies getting larger, the distribution is getting wider. If you picture the distribution of occurrences of temperatures as deviations from the local norm, you get a (rough) bell curve. What appears to be happening is that not only is the whole curve moving to the right (higher average temperatures everywhere), the curve is flattening and widening (higher probability of extreme variation from the average in both directions).

There's a recent preprint on arXiv that addresses this topic as well. Your bell curve explanation is concise and accurate.


Why should I change my view, you moron? You are never going to change yours. The science that supports your position is shaky at best.

Seriously, do you want to get people all worked up over an increase in temp of less than one degree Celsius since 1850?
 
2012-07-10 12:22:51 PM  

jfarkinB: chuckufarlie: no, AGW is a myth.

Seriously. Those goalposts were moved years ago.


Your response makes no sense at all. Did you read that somewhere and just had to use it incorrectly?
 
2012-07-10 12:22:51 PM  

Epicedion: Science used to be held in a different regard by politicians -- they might not have understood it, but time and again the answer to problems was "solve it with science." Remember that Reagan was president when the proposed solution to global nuclear war was to shoot lasers from space.

Now, though, the boomer and post-boomer generation of politicians wants to solve things by applying common sense, folksy wisdom, or simply ignoring problems and hoping they'll go away.


Yup. And that used to be a good selling point for the Republicans: They were conservative in the sense that they required proof before making changes, but then they listened to reason. When Nixon signed one of the most dramatic environmental bills in US history (the 1973 Clean Air act amendments), and when Bush Sr. strengthened it further in 1990, they did it because scientists were showing how harmful it was.

They didn't yell "Oh noes! The job creators will turn us away from their gated communities if we don't let them shiat mercury and lead out of smokestacks! Soshalism!!!! Ow! My spleen!"

They were skeptics. The modern far right are deniers. There's a bright line between them.
 
2012-07-10 12:28:10 PM  
I've never understood the climate-change-deniers' reasoning for the whole "hoax" or "conspiracy" angle. What are the climate scientists conspiring to do? Have you ever met a climate scientist? It's not all lobsters and wine, I can tell you that. They make okay-not-great money, on average. Do the deniers just think that the scientists sit there rubbing their palms together and cackling with glee while saying things like "this will destroy capitalism!" and "finally, the UN can take over the world!!!"?
 
2012-07-10 12:28:47 PM  

chuckufarlie: Why should I change my view, you moron? You are never going to change yours. The science that supports your position is shaky at best.


Good point. Let's see the science that supports your position. We can compare the two.
 
2012-07-10 12:29:56 PM  

Lord Dimwit: Do the deniers just think that the scientists sit there rubbing their palms together and cackling with glee while saying things like "this will destroy capitalism!" and "finally, the UN can take over the world!!!"?


Well there's your problem.
 
2012-07-10 12:31:40 PM  
we're finally getting some relief here in the southeast after 100+ temps for almost 2 weeks straight and no rain

on the downside there probably won't be enough moisture to offset the amount that's already been taken out of the ground

on the plus side when we start the water wars i will be conditioned from years of hiking and carrying all the water i need for days on end
 
2012-07-10 12:33:25 PM  

Madbassist1: chuckufarlie: Why should I change my view, you moron? You are never going to change yours. The science that supports your position is shaky at best.

Good point. Let's see the science that supports your position. We can compare the two.


gee, dumbass, can't you figure that out on your own? The fact that the science that supports AGW is shaky is all that is needed.

The debate is all about the IPCC evidence, it is either valid or it is not. That is how a scientific discussion works, both sides address the same evidence.

You don't have the intelligence to address this situation.
 
2012-07-10 12:33:30 PM  

chimp_ninja: When Nixon signed one of the most dramatic environmental bills in US history (the 1973 Clean Air act amendments), and when Bush Sr. strengthened it further in 1990, they did it because scientists were showing how harmful it was.

They didn't yell "Oh noes! The job creators will turn us away from their gated communities if we don't let them shiat mercury and lead out of smokestacks! Soshalism!!!! Ow! My spleen!"


And oddly enough, a companion law (the Endangered Species Act) had the teeth ripped out of it in order to facilitate the building of a dam across a river found to be the habitat of an endangered species by none other than Senator Al Gore.
 
2012-07-10 12:35:12 PM  
Missouri has had a rough go over the last three to five weeks, that's for sure. We had two straight weeks of basically 100 degree days (dropped at most to about 96-97 for highs) and went practically the entire month of June with no more than an inch of rain. Needless to say, crops are looking terrible up here and corn yields are going to be waaaay down. And while we finally got a bit of a shower over the weekend, temps are still above 90 and are expected to stay there for at least another week.
 
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