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(Boston Herald)   "No person with a speck of intelligence would turn down billions in federal dollars... But then again, this is Rick Perry"   (bostonherald.com) divider line 122
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2012-07-10 10:14:02 AM  

Brick-House: No fish with a speck of intelligence would turn down a free meal, but then again...


Wait, the Feds are going to clean and gut Texas, bread them, and fry them up proper?
I fail to see a problem with this.
 
2012-07-10 10:14:37 AM  

s2s2s2: THX 1138: thirteen billion dollars a year

...for 5 years, then continue the spending requirements without the benefit of the federal dollars.


It's 100% federal until 2020 (so 6 years). Then it's 90/10 federal/state.

So in other words... No. Your statement's 90% wrong.
 
2012-07-10 10:14:53 AM  

error 303: I've finally come to the conclusion that the whole debate comes down to the fact that conservatives see [$issue] as a market commodity while democrats see [it] as a national issue and as a public good. Until we get that issue resolved all we've got is some idiotic shouting match.


GOP: Everything is subject to market forces. If we can't market it and sell it, it doesn't exist. Government can only screw up. Also Jesus.
Democrats: Now hang on a second. Don't you favor single-sources for things like fire and police protection, the military and lawmaking; and isn't the government Constitutionally empowered to make those calls?
GOP: Well, you forget - we must stand against socialism, atheism, communism, botulism, heroism, the Tool song schism, jizm, anthropomorphism, sadomasochism, and clowns.
 
2012-07-10 10:15:03 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: They've been talking up their state as an economic miracle, they should be fine.


Because of decisions like this one, yes. Kinda the point.
 
2012-07-10 10:16:18 AM  

ManRay: If he does not take the money, doesn't the Federal government set up the exchanges anyway? Perry gains political points with his voters and the Feds do the heavy lifting. Not to defend Perry's intelligence, but maybe not a bad move from his perspective.


The federal exchange will be setup, but there is a gap in who can get covered since the medicade expansion was supposed to cover those up to 133% of the poverty level. By turning down the money, there are now people who don't qualify for the exchange subsidies in any meaningful way and don't fall under medicade.
 
2012-07-10 10:18:42 AM  
dwrash: If the fed wants it, let the fed pay for it. Pretty simple.

I imagine it's easy and comfortable being dumb as a stump.
 
2012-07-10 10:19:05 AM  

s2s2s2: HotWingConspiracy: They've been talking up their state as an economic miracle, they should be fine.

Because of decisions like this one, yes. Kinda the point.


Well you're wrong anyway, so take heart.
 
2012-07-10 10:19:29 AM  

Brick-House: No fish with a speck of intelligence would turn down a free meal, but then again...



Rick Perry just relizes that the federal government and their our money is like a Crack Dealer giving you that sample for free.


Rick Perry already has Texas' Dept of Health working with the Feds to set up an exchange that Texas can take over later. It's grandstanding.
 
2012-07-10 10:19:33 AM  
Remember children... Federal dollars are left by the magical dollar fairy and are created out of thin air.
 
2012-07-10 10:19:56 AM  

s2s2s2: HotWingConspiracy: They've been talking up their state as an economic miracle, they should be fine.

Because of decisions like this one, yes. Kinda the point.


Ensuring that 25% of your citizens continue not to have access to healthcare is the basis for any sound economic policy. Why can't people see the intrinsic value of a suffering underclass with the clarity that Rick Perry and the Republican party do?
 
2012-07-10 10:20:41 AM  

s2s2s2: Because of decisions like this one, yes. Kinda the point.


Your statement would make sense if the states had to pay a dime for the program, and given the nature of the SCOTUS ruling, it's not like their regular Medicare funding from Washington is under threat if they decide to recant when the the funding breakdown shifts to the states carrying 10% of the cost.
 
2012-07-10 10:21:09 AM  

MyRandomName: Remember children... Federal dollars are left by the magical dollar fairy and are created out of thin air.


That's not right at all. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.
 
2012-07-10 10:22:45 AM  
FTFA "The Texas Democratic Party accused Perry of political pandering." - YA THINK??

I suspect even the people of Texas are not stupid enough to let this go on forever. Hopefully this will be the straw that make's them open their eyes and smell the coffee.*

When's the next gubernatorial election?

*I feel dirty for that sentence
 
2012-07-10 10:23:44 AM  

Epoch_Zero: MyRandomName: Remember children... Federal dollars are left by the magical dollar fairy and are created out of thin air.

That's not right at all. You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.


Exactly! I thought federal dollars were PRINTED out of thin air by the Feds and fly out Bernanke's rearend to cause the massive inflation that'll hit any minute now! We've been waiting for years! Any minute now!
 
2012-07-10 10:23:53 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: HotWingConspiracy: They've been talking up their state as an economic miracle, they should be fine.

Because of decisions like this one, yes. Kinda the point.

Ensuring that 25% of your citizens continue not to have access to healthcare is the basis for any sound economic policy. Why can't people see the intrinsic value of a suffering underclass with the clarity that Rick Perry and the Republican party do?


I call them Inspiration Creators.
 
2012-07-10 10:26:11 AM  
At least we will have a control group to compare the impact of the healthcare reform now. Its always better for us social scientists to have someone maintain the status quo to determine impacts of a policy change.
 
2012-07-10 10:26:58 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Ensuring that 25% of your citizens continue not to have access to healthcare


This is not true, has not been true and will not be true, regardless of the implementation of the healthcare exchanges.
 
2012-07-10 10:33:02 AM  

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Ensuring that 25% of your citizens continue not to have access to healthcare

This is not true, has not been true and will not be true, regardless of the implementation of the healthcare exchanges.


Don't be modest. 25% of the people in your State have no health insurance, You and Rick Perry know that is the key to your Economic miracle, and will continue to labor to ensure that the number of uninsured continue to claim to keep the good times rolling. Be proud of this great accomplishment. Every uninsured Texan is a victory for the right thinking people like you who know that Texas cannot prosper if enough people are not suffering.
 
2012-07-10 10:33:54 AM  

s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Ensuring that 25% of your citizens continue not to have access to healthcare

This is not true, has not been true and will not be true, regardless of the implementation of the healthcare exchanges.


25% of the state is uninsured and requires the private citizens to help pay for their care through increased healthcare costa and premiums and state and federal taxes.

Rick Perry is refusing to set up an exchange to try to get some of them regular healthcare insurance and healthcare that's not ER based. He's also refusing to take federal funds to implement a state run program to help people get cheaper preventative care available through Medicaid.

I want Texas to stop freeloading on my taxes and my insurance.
 
2012-07-10 10:36:06 AM  

MyRandomName: Remember children... Federal dollars are left by the magical dollar fairy and are created out of thin air.


No, but Texas is the 3rd most most populous state, and is fairly wealthy, so a lot of money that it puts into federal government coffers could come back to it in the form of medicaid expansion.
 
2012-07-10 10:43:27 AM  

dwrash: If the fed wants it, let the fed pay for it.

Pretty simple.


The D stands for 'Diaper' doesn't it, Mr Wrash?
 
2012-07-10 10:43:39 AM  

espiaboricua: dwrash: If the fed wants it, let the fed pay for it.

Pretty simple.

Following the same rationale: if the States want it, let the States pay for it.. without 'the fed' assisting them, correct?


Half the states would love that... the other half that are on the dole would hate it.
 
2012-07-10 10:44:35 AM  

Mistah Scrotie: You can be forced to buy insurance and thats okay. by turning down free money, he's just making sure people will pay more for healthcare.


And Texans will then blame it on Obama. I mean Perry is a white guy with a Texas accent, how can you not trust him.
 
2012-07-10 10:44:41 AM  

derpdeederp: At least we will have a control group to compare the impact of the healthcare reform now. Its always better for us social scientists to have someone maintain the status quo to determine impacts of a policy change.


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2012-07-10 10:44:48 AM  

quatchi: dwrash: If the fed wants it, let the fed pay for it.

Pretty simple.

The D stands for 'Diaper' doesn't it, Mr Wrash?


oh.. aren't you smart... did you ever graduate from kindergarten?
 
2012-07-10 10:45:33 AM  
"Waaah! We're trying so hard to make people completely dependent on the federal government so they'll vote for Democrats! Quit getting in the way!"
 
2012-07-10 10:48:34 AM  

randomjsa: "Waaah! We're trying so hard to make people completely dependent on the federal government so they'll vote for Democrats! Quit getting in the way!"


There are lots of Texans dependent on the federal government that vote republican. Rick Perry would be a solid example.
 
2012-07-10 10:57:56 AM  
It used to be that States would opt to not implement a Federal program. The Feds didn't like it so they started linking compliance with funding. Some States still didn't fall in line so Congress said "Play ball or we will take away all of your funding, not just part of it".

Now the SC says they can't do that anymore, and States are starting to buck again. What's the next move?
 
2012-07-10 10:59:00 AM  

randomjsa: "Waaah! We're trying so hard to make people completely dependent on the federal government so they'll vote for Democrats! Quit getting in the way!"


Please explain how Texas setting up a health care exchange where people can shop for private insurance makes anyone dependent on the Federal Government.
 
2012-07-10 11:00:30 AM  
I'd think they'd want their nails ladies healthy so they don't give'em diseases and sh*t.
 
2012-07-10 11:06:02 AM  

randomjsa: "Waaah! We're trying so hard to make people completely dependent on the federal government so they'll vote for Democrats! Quit getting in the way!"


By refusing to set up a state exchange, making people more dependent on the federal government is exactly what he did, since the people of Texas will use the federally set up exchange for Texas instead.
 
2012-07-10 11:12:58 AM  

Epoch_Zero: derpdeederp: At least we will have a control group to compare the impact of the healthcare reform now. Its always better for us social scientists to have someone maintain the status quo to determine impacts of a policy change.

Well if it's the Status Quo you want, I sure have a party for you! Featuring a new offer from Time Life audio...

Newly Retried Tired and Outdated Rhymes!

Including:
- Down on the Old Appalachian Trail
- I don't like me some Lazy Poor (acapella)
- Free Byrd
- American Jesus (unintentionally ironic Bad Religion cover)
- Barack the Magic Negro
- Mo (r)money, mo problems
- Shark Sandwiches
- Should I stay or Should I Filibuster (live)
- Don't Quote Me on This
- Not Intended to Be a Medley

..And the all-time classic
- States' Rights!


You forgot the first single off the record, "Lemon. Wet. Good." featuring Li'l Wayne and Young Jeezy.
 
2012-07-10 11:51:02 AM  
He's choosing to take a pass on $13 billion per year, when the costs associated with taking it are about $27 billion per year.

Last time I checked, 27 is larger than 13, therefore a net loss in a state trying to patch a budget hole as it is.

FTFA:
State officials have estimated that the health-care law could add 1.5 million to 2.3 million low-income Texans to the Medicaid rolls by 2023, and increase state spending by $27 billion


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like he's being fiscally prudent.
 
2012-07-10 11:56:44 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Perry said Texas will not expand Medicaid, forgoing an estimated $13 billion a year in federal money from 2014 to 2017, and will not create a health care exchange, an online market that would allow uninsured people to shop for coverage.

Why does Rick Perry hate capitalism and the free market?


The health care exchange is much more of a huge deal than most people realize. Right now its darn near impossible to compare health insurance plans because they bury exceptions deep in the fine print. If you chose insurance just based on price and what's on the first few pages you're guaranteed to be screwed, because the companies with the best profit margins are the ones that have found a way to screw over their customers the most. (Sorry, we won't pay for MRI, its in chapter 150, subsection D.)

By exactly defining the benefits that will be provided, health insurance consumers will be able to actually do comparison shopping for the first time.

Its funny how the GOP keeps screaming "free market" against "socialism", but what they are really asking for is a system where insurance companies keep consumers in the dark about what they're buying.
 
2012-07-10 11:56:55 AM  

fickenchucker: He's choosing to take a pass on $13 billion per year, when the costs associated with taking it are about $27 billion per year.

Last time I checked, 27 is larger than 13, therefore a net loss in a state trying to patch a budget hole as it is.

FTFA:
State officials have estimated that the health-care law could add 1.5 million to 2.3 million low-income Texans to the Medicaid rolls by 2023, and increase state spending by $27 billion


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like he's being fiscally prudent.


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WELCOMEback TO FARK
 
2012-07-10 12:07:20 PM  

s2s2s2: As with any political issue, absolutes are for the retarded.


I invite you to demonstrate what "absolute" was contained in the post you are disputing.
 
2012-07-10 12:08:18 PM  

dwrash: quatchi: dwrash: If the fed wants it, let the fed pay for it.

Pretty simple.

The D stands for 'Diaper' doesn't it, Mr Wrash?

oh.. aren't you smart...


I wouldn't say "smart" per se.

More of a "smartass" technically.

Being a smartass isn't really the best thing to be on the planet to be sure but it does beats the heck out of that "being a dumbass" thing you've got going on.

^__^

...did you ever graduate from kindergarten?

Book lurnin'? What are ya, some kind of ivory tower elitist waving yer Kindergarten diploma high over yer head and lording it over folk?

As Rick Perry said "Like I told that teachin' lady, the only three letters I need to know are U and S and... a third one"
 
2012-07-10 12:13:39 PM  
Where do "Federal" dollars come from anyway?
 
2012-07-10 12:14:16 PM  
Scott Walker would! Oh, wait, intelligence. OK, point taken.
 
2012-07-10 12:18:38 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: s2s2s2: Philip Francis Queeg: Ensuring that 25% of your citizens continue not to have access to healthcare

This is not true, has not been true and will not be true, regardless of the implementation of the healthcare exchanges.

Don't be modest. 25% of the people in your State have no health insurance, You and Rick Perry know that is the key to your Economic miracle, and will continue to labor to ensure that the number of uninsured continue to claim to keep the good times rolling. Be proud of this great accomplishment. Every uninsured Texan is a victory for the right thinking people like you who know that Texas cannot prosper if enough people are not suffering.


Next you'll tell us the malpractice reform that Perry signed back in 2003 didn't actually do jack shiat to bring health costs down.
 
2012-07-10 12:18:52 PM  
Can we really trust the analysis of the article author?

t0.gstatic.com
 
2012-07-10 12:30:30 PM  

Deucednuisance: s2s2s2: As with any political issue, absolutes are for the retarded.

I invite you to demonstrate what "absolute" was contained in the post you are disputing.


I was disputing that it was not hyperbole. The later statement was simply that.

s2s2s2: Emrick: It is not hyperbole

Yes it is. Not that I disagree with the sentiment behind it. As with any political issue, absolutes are for the retarded.

 
2012-07-10 12:31:55 PM  
From the comments:

"Rick Perry is positive proof that the speed of light is faster than the speed of sound as he LOOKS good until you hear him speak."


LOL!
 
2012-07-10 12:35:51 PM  

czei: Its funny how the GOP keeps screaming "free market" against "socialism", but what they are really asking for is a system where insurance companies keep consumers in the dark about what they're buying.


Also, none of them are for stripping the insurance industry of it's anti-trust exemption that would actually require it to play by free market rules.
 
2012-07-10 12:38:12 PM  
Eventually healthcare providers ... which have a lot of pull and money ... are going to kick and scream when they can't get compensated for providing for the uninsured, and then Perry will have to buckle. He just has to wait for a politically opportune time to buckle (ie not in a Presidential election year when people are actually paying attention ... particularly when there's a black President currently sitting in office).
 
2012-07-10 12:40:14 PM  
Deneb81
Heard a report on NPR. About 1.5million texans would qualify for Medicaid under the plan - and the Feds would cover 100% until I think 2024 when they cover 90%.

One of Texas' concerns is that there are approx. 1m Texans QUALIFIED for Medicaid now that aren't on the rolls. They are worried that too much healthcare talk will cause them to enroll or re-enroll. Texas pays (I believe) 50% of their coverage. THAT's a big part of it.


Or to put it more simply, Republicans are assholes who think poor people can fark off and die. No, that's not hyperbole. I wish it was, but their actions show otherwise.
 
2012-07-10 12:40:40 PM  
Honestly, if you choose to stay in Texas, you're too stupid to live anyways.
 
2012-07-10 12:43:51 PM  

Cat Food Sandwiches: Where do "Federal" dollars come from anyway?


If you live in red states they tend to come from the blue ones.
 
2012-07-10 12:44:50 PM  
You know, one can debate the merits of this policy from either side, but one thing that is not debatable is that Rick Perry is the stupidest farking asshole politician this state has EVER produced, and yes, I include George W. Bush in that statement.
 
2012-07-10 12:47:48 PM  
fickenchucker
FTFA:
State officials have estimated that the health-care law could add 1.5 million to 2.3 million low-income Texans to the Medicaid rolls by 2023, and increase state spending by $27 billion


Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like he's being fiscally prudent.


You're wrong. The law covers 90% of the increased Medicaid cost. The state only has to kick in 10%. That's too much for Perry. Fark the poor people. They should make themselves rich.
 
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