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(Talking Points Memo)   And the next contestant to get a new, soon to be mishandled partisan House Ethics Committee investigation iiiiisssssss...Nevada Rep. Shelley Berkley   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 40
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2012-07-10 09:19:42 AM
Is it a partisan investigation if indeed fraud was committed and one is attempting to remedy the situation?
 
2012-07-10 09:36:54 AM

cman: Is it a partisan investigation if indeed fraud was committed and one is attempting to remedy the situation?


No one is alleging fraud. At worse, it is an ethics violation.
 
2012-07-10 09:40:16 AM

mrshowrules: cman: Is it a partisan investigation if indeed fraud was committed and one is attempting to remedy the situation?

No one is alleging fraud. At worse, it is an ethics violation.


You are correct. Poor choice f words.

Enriching yourself at the expense of the tax payers should be illegal.
 
2012-07-10 09:47:44 AM
fta: "We are pleased with the committee's decision to conduct a full and fair investigation"

if they are happy with it, why aren't you? Are you against full and fair investigations?
 
2012-07-10 10:05:10 AM

cman: mrshowrules: cman: Is it a partisan investigation if indeed fraud was committed and one is attempting to remedy the situation?

No one is alleging fraud. At worse, it is an ethics violation.

You are correct. Poor choice f words.

Enriching yourself at the expense of the tax payers should be illegal.


Well technically, policy should enrich us all. It is more along the lines of a conflict of interest. If this couple was really into this kidney transplant issue and the issue was so important, that is why she ran for office that is one thing.

If he is a surgeon and has a well paying job with this organization that does mean much if she was open about it. If he has tons of money invested in this outfit, I could start to stink really badly. If what she does protects his job as a side-effect of protecting a program the public wants/needs, good for them.

It will come down to investments and prior disclosures.
 
2012-07-10 10:23:10 AM

mrshowrules: cman: mrshowrules: cman: Is it a partisan investigation if indeed fraud was committed and one is attempting to remedy the situation?

No one is alleging fraud. At worse, it is an ethics violation.

You are correct. Poor choice f words.

Enriching yourself at the expense of the tax payers should be illegal.

Well technically, policy should enrich us all. It is more along the lines of a conflict of interest. If this couple was really into this kidney transplant issue and the issue was so important, that is why she ran for office that is one thing.

If he is a surgeon and has a well paying job with this organization that does mean much if she was open about it. If he has tons of money invested in this outfit, I could start to stink really badly. If what she does protects his job as a side-effect of protecting a program the public wants/needs, good for them.

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I remember you said the same thing about Clarence Thomas and his wife's job.
At least you are consistent.
 
2012-07-10 10:31:02 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: cman: mrshowrules: cman: Is it a partisan investigation if indeed fraud was committed and one is attempting to remedy the situation?

No one is alleging fraud. At worse, it is an ethics violation.

You are correct. Poor choice f words.

Enriching yourself at the expense of the tax payers should be illegal.

Well technically, policy should enrich us all. It is more along the lines of a conflict of interest. If this couple was really into this kidney transplant issue and the issue was so important, that is why she ran for office that is one thing.

If he is a surgeon and has a well paying job with this organization that does mean much if she was open about it. If he has tons of money invested in this outfit, I could start to stink really badly. If what she does protects his job as a side-effect of protecting a program the public wants/needs, good for them.

.

I remember you said the same thing about Clarence Thomas and his wife's job.
At least you are consistent.


I said Thomas should have recused himself on the health care case. A judge's is job is to be impartial. When you are paid $1.5M from a health care organization that is impossible.

A politician's is not supposed to be impartial. Apparently, she ran on this issue. I am not surprised this subtlety escaped you.

I have not said one way or the other if this is an ethics violation. It will come down to the investments/disclosures.
 
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2012-07-10 10:36:37 AM
Republicans don't do anything that isn't motivated by partisan politics. It's been that way since about 2000 or a little before.
 
2012-07-10 12:47:33 PM

cman: mrshowrules: cman: Is it a partisan investigation if indeed fraud was committed and one is attempting to remedy the situation?

No one is alleging fraud. At worse, it is an ethics violation.

You are correct. Poor choice f words.

Enriching yourself at the expense of the tax payers should be illegal.


She can do that once she is elected. Not before.
 
2012-07-10 12:49:17 PM
They finally found a white person to investigate.
 
2012-07-10 12:50:36 PM
"Berkley's campaign has in the past pointed out that both Berkley and Heller advocated for the program, and worked to prevent Medicare from pulling its funds, a fact it pointed out again once the investigation was announced Monday."

Wait, I thought 83% of doctors were going to quit largely because govt reimbursement rates were too low.
 
2012-07-10 12:54:37 PM
Get ready for about 15 more of these to pop up, and for all of them to go nowhere as the Grand Ol' Party of Batshiat Insanity digs its hole deeper.
 
2012-07-10 12:56:45 PM
What else are they going to do, create better legislation that benefits the whole of their constituencies, thus securing their offices through the democratic process? FARK THAT!!! It's easier to have random witch hunts and manipulate a gullible media, then go suck up to the rich guys and those who get fooled all of the time.
 
2012-07-10 01:01:21 PM

mrshowrules: If he has tons of money invested in this outfit, I could start to stink really badly


That's nothing, I can stink really badly without help.
 
2012-07-10 01:02:23 PM

kregh99: Get ready for about 15 more of these to pop up, and for all of them to go nowhere as the Grand Ol' Party of Batshiat Insanity digs its hole deeper.


What's the next one going to be? An investigation against Dem Rep. So and So because he didn't clean out the microwave in the lunch room after he was done using it?

Is this their new strategy to win now? Since they can't beat the Dems with policy they are going to go after every one with a witch hunt investigation to discredit them?
 
2012-07-10 01:03:49 PM
The ethics committee voted unanimously to launch the formal investigation. That's about as partisan as it gets, right, subby??
 
2012-07-10 01:06:13 PM
"That's why she joined then Republican Rep. Dean Heller to prevent Nevada's only kidney transplant program from being shut down by Washington bureaucrats. With more than 200 Nevada patients desperately waiting for a lifesaving kidney transplant, it would have been irresponsible of her not to work with the state's entire congressional delegation to protect the program."

She wanted to keep people in her state alive?

Burn her!!!

This is the right's idea of Dem corruption?

I don't even have words to describe how farked up this is.

*dandelion break*
 
2012-07-10 01:08:59 PM

ongbok: Is this their new strategy to win now? Since they can't beat the Dems with policy they are going to go after every one with a witch hunt investigation to discredit them?



content.usatoday.com
"Worked for ME!"
 
2012-07-10 01:12:25 PM
The race between Berkley and Heller is getting nasty. The commercials out here get worse everyday. I wouldn't be surprised if he had something to do with the investigation - nearly all of his ads have mentioned this situation. I suspect it's only going to get worse from here, regardless of what the committee says. And its not the first time her actions have been reviewed, but I believe she was cleared last time (or maybe that was a local thing, it's a bit confused in my memory and I'm too tired for the Google-fu this morning). Either way, it's going to be an ugly race, and because it conceivably helps tip the balance, I think it's being watched at the national level.
 
2012-07-10 01:15:51 PM

monoski: "Berkley's campaign has in the past pointed out that both Berkley and Heller advocated for the program, and worked to prevent Medicare from pulling its funds, a fact it pointed out again once the investigation was announced Monday."

Wait, I thought 83% of doctors were going to quit largely because govt reimbursement rates were too low.


No, 83% of the 4% of doctors who responded to a faxed survey. The other 96% ignored the survey. Self selection as its best.
 
2012-07-10 01:16:09 PM

Scerpes: The ethics committee voted unanimously to launch the formal investigation. That's about as partisan as it gets, right, subby??

 
2012-07-10 01:16:36 PM
A corrupt Democrat? Stop the presses.
 
2012-07-10 01:23:17 PM
The best defense is a good offense.
 
2012-07-10 01:30:52 PM

LarryDan43: cman: mrshowrules: cman: Is it a partisan investigation if indeed fraud was committed and one is attempting to remedy the situation?

No one is alleging fraud. At worse, it is an ethics violation.

You are correct. Poor choice f words.

Enriching yourself at the expense of the tax payers should be illegal.

She can do that once she is elected. Not before.


This is the part that confuses me. How are they allowed to investigate her on ethics if she isn't even elected yet?
 
2012-07-10 01:32:55 PM

mrshowrules: LarryDan43: cman: mrshowrules: cman: Is it a partisan investigation if indeed fraud was committed and one is attempting to remedy the situation?

No one is alleging fraud. At worse, it is an ethics violation.

You are correct. Poor choice f words.

Enriching yourself at the expense of the tax payers should be illegal.

She can do that once she is elected. Not before.

This is the part that confuses me. How are they allowed to investigate her on ethics if she isn't even elected yet?


She's already an elected representative in the House. She's running for the Senate.
 
2012-07-10 01:42:11 PM

Codenamechaz: mrshowrules: LarryDan43: cman: mrshowrules: cman: Is it a partisan investigation if indeed fraud was committed and one is attempting to remedy the situation?

No one is alleging fraud. At worse, it is an ethics violation.

You are correct. Poor choice f words.

Enriching yourself at the expense of the tax payers should be illegal.

She can do that once she is elected. Not before.

This is the part that confuses me. How are they allowed to investigate her on ethics if she isn't even elected yet?

She's already an elected representative in the House. She's running for the Senate.


Got it. Thanks.
 
2012-07-10 02:11:58 PM
So, her husband ran the only kidney transplant place in the State, it was going to be shut down leaving Nevadans with no place for a kidney transplant in their State, so she worked to funnel people and funding there.

I can't say I fully enjoy it, but lets be honest ... there was no other competition. She ended up keeping a life-saving business open. At the end of the day I see nothing that wrong with what was done. She made a good call.
 
2012-07-10 02:25:07 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: So, her husband ran the only kidney transplant place in the State, it was going to be shut down leaving Nevadans with no place for a kidney transplant in their State, so she worked to funnel people and funding there.

I can't say I fully enjoy it, but lets be honest ... there was no other competition. She ended up keeping a life-saving business open. At the end of the day I see nothing that wrong with what was done. She made a good call.


I concur. Any other action would have been worse.
 
2012-07-10 02:25:12 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: So, her husband ran the only kidney transplant place in the State, it was going to be shut down leaving Nevadans with no place for a kidney transplant in their State, so she worked to funnel people and funding there.

I can't say I fully enjoy it, but lets be honest ... there was no other competition. She ended up keeping a life-saving business open. At the end of the day I see nothing that wrong with what was done. She made a good call.


It's interesting that "getting funding for services of your state" (that both you and your competitor approve of) is now an ethics violation. Has Joe Barton been brought in front of the ethics committee yet?

Then again, this is about funding health services, and not funding oil companies, so I can see why the republicans would be upset.
 
2012-07-10 02:33:04 PM
The teabaggers/gop are desperate to get a foothold here in NV to somehow try and undermine Reid.

The constant attack ads on both TV and my farking pandora are killing.

The best part is the weapons grade idiocy in these ads.

Talking about a failed stimulus, where anyone knows if anything the stimulus is super effective, as our traffic has fainted from all the constant sewer retrofits, roadwork, public transportation upgrades, pedestrian bridges, bike paths, and freeway beautifican projects paid for by the stimulus...

"So you feel rescused Nevada?"

Yes, because the chicken lady and the 2nd ammendment solution lady were both handily defeated here reassuring me of my fellow Nevadans...
 
2012-07-10 02:40:14 PM

KingPsyz: The teabaggers/gop are desperate to get a foothold here in NV to somehow try and undermine Reid.


It might work, if they can find a candidate who's not abysmally stupid. I honestly can't think of a more vulnerable incumbent in 2010 than Harry Reid.
 
2012-07-10 02:42:51 PM

qorkfiend: KingPsyz: The teabaggers/gop are desperate to get a foothold here in NV to somehow try and undermine Reid.

It might work, if they can find a candidate who's not abysmally stupid. I honestly can't think of a more vulnerable incumbent in 2010 than Harry Reid.


and yet they came with Sharron "2nd ammendment solutions to unfavorable voting outcomes" Angle
 
2012-07-10 02:49:24 PM
ok, now...what about rick scott?? i know its an entirely different bureaucratic animal, but what kind of oversight is available in his situation? rather than in this case where it appears to be ethically grey at best given the circumstances with the clinic, scott was out and out belligerent in his disregard for conflict of interest and created the system that would enrich his wife
 
2012-07-10 02:56:20 PM

qorkfiend: KingPsyz: The teabaggers/gop are desperate to get a foothold here in NV to somehow try and undermine Reid.

It might work, if they can find a candidate who's not abysmally stupid. I honestly can't think of a more vulnerable incumbent in 2010 than Harry Reid.


And if we had fully functional state GOP here that would be the case. The current Nevada GOP gets into fists fights over which Cracker Barrel to hold their monthly meetings at, so, Harry's safe. And so is Berkley.
 
2012-07-10 03:09:26 PM
The medical care in Nevada is so sub-par that if you have money you go to LA, if you don't good luck. Anything that keeps medical facilities open in Nevada is a good thing
 
2012-07-10 03:11:45 PM

zedster: The medical care in Nevada is so sub-par that if you have money you go to LA, if you don't good luck. Anything that keeps medical facilities open in Nevada is a good thing


god so much this, for a city growing as fast as Vegas is we have absolute shiat medical care.

it's better to drive to Nogales than deal with SouthWest Medical
 
2012-07-10 03:30:25 PM

HellRaisingHoosier: So, her husband ran the only kidney transplant place in the State, it was going to be shut down leaving Nevadans with no place for a kidney transplant in their State, so she worked to funnel people and funding there.

I can't say I fully enjoy it, but lets be honest ... there was no other competition. She ended up keeping a life-saving business open. At the end of the day I see nothing that wrong with what was done. She made a good call.


Funeral industry is sorta competition
 
2012-07-10 04:15:46 PM

KingPsyz: SouthWest Medical

United Healthcare

ftfy (UHC bought 'em out years ago)
 
2012-07-10 04:35:58 PM

Bag of Hammers: KingPsyz: SouthWest Medical United Healthcare

ftfy (UHC bought 'em out years ago)


it still says SWM on the buildings... But you know what I mean.

/My co. switched to Aetna, so now I have an even smaller selection...
 
2012-07-10 05:28:46 PM
The House Ethics Committee will move to investigate Rep. Shelley Berkley (D-NV) over advocacy on behalf of a kidney transplant program at University Medical Center in Las Vegas, where her husband works, the committee announced Monday.

Clarence Thomas snickers at your paltry lapse of ethics.
 
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