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(The Daily Caller)   Change you can believe in for sure: 83 percent of doctors have considered quitting over Obamacare. This is bad news.... for all of us   (dailycaller.com) divider line 162
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2012-07-10 02:01:27 AM
Those poor doctors. All 10 of them that DC bothered to try and poll.
 
2012-07-10 02:11:55 AM
you are all gonna wish you were canadians. health care for the rich, death panels for the rest. good luck citizens.
 
2012-07-10 02:20:12 AM

Codenamechaz: Those poor doctors. All 10 of them that DC bothered to try and poll.


You know how I know you didn't read the article?

/not passing judgment either way on the survey until I know more about the organization
 
2012-07-10 02:27:52 AM

ArkAngel: Codenamechaz: Those poor doctors. All 10 of them that DC bothered to try and poll.

You know how I know you didn't read the article?

/not passing judgment either way on the survey until I know more about the organization


Really? It's only the headline right below this one on the Commented tab:
Link
 
2012-07-10 02:43:46 AM
Sounds legit.
 
2012-07-10 02:44:32 AM
you know what? i want someone to tell me what is so farking wrong with the new health care plan because people aren't saying what they don't like about it. what don't you like, subby?
and don't point me to the article because that's an article about the condition of practicing medicine, not new health care laws.
 
2012-07-10 02:44:54 AM
83% of the 4% who bothered to reply. Perhaps these are the people who became doctors to become wealthy rather than to heal those in need? If so, would they be a real loss?
 
2012-07-10 03:02:03 AM
83% of 699 doctors isn't 83% of ALL doctors in the U.S., Subby.
 
2012-07-10 06:27:25 AM
Really subby? My best friend and his brother are doctors, and they could care less. His brother even owns two clinics, COULD CARE LESS.
 
2012-07-10 06:35:43 AM
Define 'considered.' I consider murdering people for being assholes usually once a day for a second or two. It doesn't make me a murderer.
 
2012-07-10 06:52:29 AM
"The DPMA, a non-partisan association..." Yeah, totally.
 
2012-07-10 06:54:14 AM
but see, it's stuff like this that my unemployed father will hear on fox news. and he'll repeat it. that's what pisses me off....and i'm going to stop there because i could rant and rave forever but it would signify nothing and it's too early to go hamlet on this post.

/need coffee
 
2012-07-10 07:11:34 AM

DrBenway: "The DPMA, a non-partisan association..." Yeah, totally.


I vaguely recall this "study" being released several months ago, I think by the Association of American Physician and Surgeons. I can't find a reference to when that was, though.
 
2012-07-10 07:13:12 AM

propasaurus: Really? It's only the headline right below this one on the Commented tab:
Link


Yep, came to say exactly that. But you know the Derp will be thick on this non-story the next few days, and when it has all blown over, it will get trotted back out as truth right before the election.
 
2012-07-10 07:21:01 AM
A non-scientific, self-reporting poll. Yeah, seems legit.
 
2012-07-10 07:49:11 AM

DrBenway: "The DPMA, a non-partisan association..." Yeah, totally.


It gets better. They appear to be funded by our good friends at ALEC. Link
 
2012-07-10 07:50:28 AM

rumpelstiltskin: DrBenway: "The DPMA, a non-partisan association..." Yeah, totally.

I vaguely recall this "study" being released several months ago, I think by the Association of American Physician and Surgeons. I can't find a reference to when that was, though.


I was gonna say, didn't we already have a lot of fun with this "poll" and various subtards last year?
 
2012-07-10 07:56:54 AM

DrBenway: "The DPMA, a non-partisan association..." Yeah, totally.


Came here to say this. Just another bunch of lying conservatives.
 
2012-07-10 08:03:54 AM
so they're going to quit their $150k/yr+ jobs to be what, wal-mart greeters?

give me a break.
 
2012-07-10 08:12:36 AM

ginandbacon: rumpelstiltskin: DrBenway: "The DPMA, a non-partisan association..." Yeah, totally.

I vaguely recall this "study" being released several months ago, I think by the Association of American Physician and Surgeons. I can't find a reference to when that was, though.

I was gonna say, didn't we already have a lot of fun with this "poll" and various subtards last year?


Okay this appears to be a new survey: "Survey was faxed to 16,233 randomly selected offices from April 19, 2012 - May 6, 2012" but not once do they say where these randomly selected, self-reporting doctors were pulled from. That was the most devastating criticism of the last version of this, that the people polled were members of a right wing group for physicians who wanted to defeat ACA. They seem to be avoiding explaining their pool this time around. They also aren't telling us the age of the respondents. How many of them were ready to retire anyway? (They do have number of years in practice, but that doesn't always correlate with full SS eligibility.)

Anyway, bogus.
 
2012-07-10 08:20:59 AM
those who actually responded to a spam fax like that would've likely been very anti-obama to begin with (mostly orthopedists, i'd wager).

so, yeah, bullshiat.

once again, the right has to breitbart the truth to get their point across. you'd think they'd realize that this means that their position is bullshiat in the first place. but they well and truly believe that facts - not opinions - are malleable things that can be bent and shaped to their purposes. it's unbelievable.
 
2012-07-10 08:52:04 AM

ginandbacon: ginandbacon: rumpelstiltskin: DrBenway: "The DPMA, a non-partisan association..." Yeah, totally.

I vaguely recall this "study" being released several months ago, I think by the Association of American Physician and Surgeons. I can't find a reference to when that was, though.

I was gonna say, didn't we already have a lot of fun with this "poll" and various subtards last year?

Okay this appears to be a new survey: "Survey was faxed to 16,233 randomly selected offices from April 19, 2012 - May 6, 2012" but not once do they say where these randomly selected, self-reporting doctors were pulled from. That was the most devastating criticism of the last version of this, that the people polled were members of a right wing group for physicians who wanted to defeat ACA. They seem to be avoiding explaining their pool this time around. They also aren't telling us the age of the respondents. How many of them were ready to retire anyway? (They do have number of years in practice, but that doesn't always correlate with full SS eligibility.)

Anyway, bogus.


You know how people are more apt to write a negative product review than if they just received the item and were happy with it? Seems to me that this survey might suffer the same problem, given that the doctors volunteered to reply.

As a general rule, doctors are fairly smart people. The idea that 83% would want to quit over Obamacare is just too absurd to fathom, unless you're push-polling or outright making sh*t up.
 
2012-07-10 09:02:11 AM
Seems legit.
 
2012-07-10 09:10:36 AM
The Daily Caller isn't a reputable organization.
 
2012-07-10 09:10:45 AM

WhiskeyBender: Really subby? My best friend and his brother are doctors, and they could care less. His brother even owns two clinics, COULD CARE LESS.


inb4xkcd
 
2012-07-10 09:14:03 AM
I dunno. With links to other articles like this: (SEE ALSO: Jeremiah Wright: 'White racist alien DNA' running through synapses of Obama's brain ) I think I'm going to call "shenanigans" on that whole website.
 
2012-07-10 09:16:30 AM

dickfreckle: ....... As a general rule, doctors are fairly smart people. The idea that 83% would want to quit over Obamacare is just too absurd to fathom, unless you're push-polling or outright making sh*t up.


It doesn't matter how absurd it is. It's been printed by someone in the derp squad, so now it's fact as far as the derp brigade is concerned.

Oh, subby. You know how I know you don't work in any scientific discipline? Here's a hint, actually the answer: Because you actually give a shiat what a non-scientific, self-reporting survey printed by a partisan organization says. People like you are why this country is lagging the rest of the developed world. You are the problem, douchebag.
 
2012-07-10 09:16:46 AM
Survey questions not listed
Survey group not specified
Pitiful response rate
Organized by biased group

Yes, this is real news that should be reported throughout the land.
Has Ailes et al. picked this up yet?
 
2012-07-10 09:17:28 AM
I guess this makes Fark Fair and BalancedTM.
 
2012-07-10 09:18:14 AM

talulahgosh: you know what? i want someone to tell me what is so farking wrong with the new health care plan because people aren't saying what they don't like about it.


It's full of Socialisms, which are very, very, very bad. Like, so bad that you can't even imagine.

doublesecretprobation: so they're going to quit their $150k/yr+ jobs to be what, wal-mart greeters?


Or Wall Street bankers.
 
2012-07-10 09:19:54 AM
This is truly devastating news for Obamacare. Truly.

One wonders how our perfect constitution could allow such an obomination to exist.
 
2012-07-10 09:21:30 AM

talulahgosh: you know what? i want someone to tell me what is so farking wrong with the new health care plan because people aren't saying what they don't like about it. what don't you like, subby?
and don't point me to the article because that's an article about the condition of practicing medicine, not new health care laws.


Not subby...and bogus study is bogus. But, to answer your question, FTA, "America will face a shortage of at least 90,000 doctors by 2020. The new health care law increases demand for physicians by expanding insurance coverage." Now, I'm all for people getting health care, it's a good thing. BUT to claim this is all going to reduce the amount we spend on health care, or reduce health care costs, is laughable at best.
 
2012-07-10 09:21:53 AM
FTFA:

Even if doctors do not quit their jobs over the ruling, America will face a shortage of at least 90,000 doctors by 2020.

1. [citation needed]
2. Even if it's true, isn't a need for paid workers a good thing?
3. Even if it's true isn't the addition of almost 100k doctors also a good thing?

What gives? Obama creates jobs and Republicans are pissed.
 
2012-07-10 09:22:28 AM

legendary: Survey questions not listed
Survey group not specified
Pitiful response rate
Organized by biased group

Yes, this is real news that should be reported throughout the land.
Has Ailes et al. picked this up yet?


We'll find out by tomorrow. If this is on the front page of tomorrow's New York Post, or if it's mentioned on Fox News later today, then the answer to your question is "Yes."
 
2012-07-10 09:23:19 AM

jrw8778: Obama [does anything at all] and Republicans are pissed.

 
2012-07-10 09:23:37 AM

Cataholic: Not subby...and bogus study is bogus. But, to answer your question, FTA, "America will face a shortage of at least 90,000 doctors by 2020. The new health care law increases demand for physicians by expanding insurance coverage.


I know. It was much better for everyone when all those sick people who couldn't afford care just didn't get any.
 
2012-07-10 09:29:28 AM
The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA) work to repeal health care reform[1] and call themselves a "a nonpartisan association of doctors and patients dedicated to preserving free choice in medicine."[2] The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation[3] and the "American Grassroots Coalition."
 
2012-07-10 09:34:08 AM

FlashHarry: those who actually responded to a spam fax like that would've likely been very anti-obama to begin with (mostly orthopedists, i'd wager)


Just curious, why the hate for orthopaedists? The old "dumb jock" stereotype?
 
2012-07-10 09:34:29 AM
These guys suck at the Hippocratic Oath

I will remember that I remain a member of society with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.

If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, be respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.
 
2012-07-10 09:34:53 AM

GAT_00: Define 'considered.' I consider murdering people for being assholes usually once a day for a second or two. It doesn't make me a murderer.


It does to god.
 
2012-07-10 09:35:04 AM

masercot: The Doctor Patient Medical Association (DPMA) and the Patient Power Alliance (PPA) work to repeal health care reform[1] and call themselves a "a nonpartisan association of doctors and patients dedicated to preserving free choice in medicine."[2] The organization is a member of the National Tea Party Federation[3] and the "American Grassroots Coalition."



Yeah.... About as nonpartisan as a "fark independent".
 
2012-07-10 09:35:29 AM

jrw8778: FTFA:

Even if doctors do not quit their jobs over the ruling, America will face a shortage of at least 90,000 doctors by 2020.

1. [citation needed]
2. Even if it's true, isn't a need for paid workers a good thing?
3. Even if it's true isn't the addition of almost 100k doctors also a good thing?

What gives? Obama creates jobs and Republicans are pissed.


I think the shortage is real. The problem is that the baby-boom generation will require more and more medical care in the coming years while simultaneously existing doctors of that generation will be retiring. It is mostly a demographic issue.
 
2012-07-10 09:35:36 AM

Pochas: I will remember that I remain a member of society with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm.


Commies.
 
2012-07-10 09:36:53 AM
Subby = Moran
 
2012-07-10 09:37:53 AM

Cataholic: talulahgosh:

Not subby...and bogus study is bogus. But, to answer your question, FTA, "America will face a shortage of at least 90,000 doctors by 2020. The new health care law increases demand for physicians by expanding insurance coverage."


While I can believe that we'll have a shortage of doctors in some expertise just based on malpractice insurance rates, and the time efforts to get a degree, and other factors, but has anyone ever done a detailed analysis on the whole "expanded insurance coverage = demand for doctors" thing?

It seems like a common sense, but given that everyone I know already has health coverage generally puts off going to the doctor until they have the late stages of the plague, I don't see how suddenly everyone will be going to the doctors on a weekly basis for the tiniest sniffles.
 
2012-07-10 09:37:55 AM

FlashHarry: those who actually responded to a spam fax like that would've likely been very anti-obama to begin with (mostly orthopedists, i'd wager).


Wait, so the reason my old man hates Obama is because he's an orthopod? Why is that a trend?

I mean, I know that he's the greatest threat facing America and the socialest socialist who ever libbed and did you know teachers make the same salary as surgeons? They are bankrupting us through property taxes on all three of our properties. I know all this because I went home for the 4th where my father did not support communism because the fireworks he saw were most surely "made in South Carolina because that's where they were bought".
 
2012-07-10 09:38:05 AM
No they're not. STFU and GBTW, assholes.
 
2012-07-10 09:38:58 AM

Dog Welder: I dunno. With links to other articles like this: (SEE ALSO: Jeremiah Wright: 'White racist alien DNA' running through synapses of Obama's brain ) I think I'm going to call "shenanigans" on that whole website.


That won't stop Bachman from running with it.
 
2012-07-10 09:39:42 AM

GameSprocket: jrw8778: FTFA:

Even if doctors do not quit their jobs over the ruling, America will face a shortage of at least 90,000 doctors by 2020.

1. [citation needed]
2. Even if it's true, isn't a need for paid workers a good thing?
3. Even if it's true isn't the addition of almost 100k doctors also a good thing?

What gives? Obama creates jobs and Republicans are pissed.

I think the shortage is real. The problem is that the baby-boom generation will require more and more medical care in the coming years while simultaneously existing doctors of that generation will be retiring. It is mostly a demographic issue.


A big part of the problem with doctor shortages is how medical school is run. It costs $20k+ per year for medical school while a PhD in the sciences is paying $20k+ per year stipend. If we really need more doctors a better system needs to be devised.
 
2012-07-10 09:40:25 AM
So, what are those doctors going to do for income? Will they become clerk-typists someplace? Perhaps some will try their hand at financial planning?

IMO this article and the survey are both total bullshiat. Anyone who believes that 83% of American doctors are going to quit is really a mental child.

Even if they did up and quit, does anyone think that any shortage wouldn't be relatively quickly filled?

Quit whinning like little puppies. (I wanted to say, "like little girls," but I respect women too much and they are generally smarter than most men.)
 
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