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(Slate)   A million of you are going to post the bogus study that 83% of Doctors want to quit because Socialism over the next few days, So enjoy a preemptive rebuttal   (slate.com) divider line 240
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2012-07-10 01:27:04 AM  
63% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
 
2012-07-10 01:58:45 AM  
699 data points from a pool of about 665,000 physicians would have a margin of error of 3.7 percent, if the poll is crafted well and the sample is statistically-reflective of the larger group.

I would be interested in knowing the sourcing of the contact information and seeing how the demographics of the sample size compares to the demographics of the group.
 
2012-07-10 02:06:35 AM  
My doctor is my old high school biology teacher. She's a total lefty hippie liberal and went to medical school starting in her 40s because she wanted to make more of a difference. She thinks "Obamacare" is brilliant, and the start of what will eventually be a real socialized medical system.
 
2012-07-10 02:28:42 AM  

Shrew2u: 699 data points from a pool of about 665,000 physicians would have a margin of error of 3.7 percent, if the poll is crafted well and the sample is statistically-reflective of the larger group.



It's self-selecting, and therefore is about as useful as a self-selecting sack of dog-sh*t.
 
2012-07-10 03:39:42 AM  
I would guess that most doctors are completely unsuited for anything else, save golf, and they ain't that good.
Yes, Dr. soft-hands, try and do some other job (that will cover the McMansion and the Benz), with your highly-specialized brain. All you know is medicine, and probably just your specialty.
 
2012-07-10 07:31:29 AM  

Pockafrusta: 63% of all statistics are made up on the spot.


Only because 85% of statisticians hate their farking job.
 
2012-07-10 07:55:21 AM  

kmmontandon: Shrew2u: 699 data points from a pool of about 665,000 physicians would have a margin of error of 3.7 percent, if the poll is crafted well and the sample is statistically-reflective of the larger group.


It's self-selecting, and therefore is about as useful as a self-selecting sack of dog-sh*t.


IIRC from last year, it was also sent out to members of a group for physicians who wanted to defeat ACA.
 
2012-07-10 08:47:42 AM  
Well, bye.
 
2012-07-10 08:51:42 AM  
Sadly, it will still get submitted a million times

/Fark: the Fwd:Fwd:Fwd:Fwd: of news aggregators
 
2012-07-10 09:03:33 AM  
Lies, damned lies, and conservative statisticals.
 
2012-07-10 09:12:43 AM  
Where are they going to go to make more money?
 
2012-07-10 09:13:22 AM  
I bet they'll just move to Canada or Europe, where there is no socialism and taxes are low.
 
2012-07-10 09:15:08 AM  

farkityfarker: Where are they going to go to make more money?


Butthurtvania. There's been an influx of immigrants there.
 
2012-07-10 09:15:27 AM  

Shrew2u: 699 data points from a pool of about 665,000 physicians would have a margin of error of 3.7 percent, if the poll is crafted well and the sample is statistically-reflective of the larger group.

I would be interested in knowing the sourcing of the contact information and seeing how the demographics of the sample size compares to the demographics of the group.

The survey was conducted by fax and online from April 18 to May 22, 2012. DPMAF obtained the office fax numbers of 36,000 doctors in active clinical practice, and 16, 227 faxes were successfully delivered... The response rate was 4.3% for a total of 699 completed surveys.


Spam doctor's offices with faxes, 95.7% of them threw the junk in the trash deeming it not worthy of a response, 4.3% were so passionate about the issue that they bothered to reply, and of those so passionate 83% said that they thought about quitting. If you count the doctors that did not bother to respond to the survey as not wanting to quit over it, the actual percentage would be ... about 3%.
 
2012-07-10 09:16:46 AM  
Woah. If that many doctors want to quit, Obamacare must be bad.
 
2012-07-10 09:17:34 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: My doctor is my old high school biology teacher. She's a total lefty hippie liberal and went to medical school starting in her 40s because she wanted to make more of a difference. She thinks "Obamacare" is brilliant, and the start of what will eventually be a real socialized medical system.


She's incredibly optimistic, I'll give her that.

We'll need a lot of ignorant people in the southeast and midwest to stop voting before that can happen.
 
2012-07-10 09:18:16 AM  

farkityfarker: Where are they going to go to make more money?


You know, I hear there's an opening in the clown porn industry.
 
2012-07-10 09:18:58 AM  
rta.
where is the rebuttal?
 
2012-07-10 09:19:05 AM  
I'd ask your doctor if they want to quit because of it. If so, maybe its time to switch doctors to one that cares more about your care than your insurance.

Talked to my doctor about it. He'd rather see single payer, but thinks its a step in the right direction. He'd rather see my family and his other patients healthy more than anything else in his profession. Heck. He went out of his way to make sure the foster kids on title 19 can see a pediatrician in his office.
 
2012-07-10 09:19:44 AM  

Skleenar: Woah. If that many doctors want to quit, Obamacare must be bad.


We need a "funny, but also sad because it reflects how a large portion of our populace actually thinks" button.
 
2012-07-10 09:19:52 AM  

farkityfarker: Where are they going to go to make more money?


Bingo.

Here in Canada, desptie what people may think, doctors aren't paid as federal employees (as they are under the UK's health plan, as I understand it).

The Canadian government puts a cap on doctor's salaries. Essentially by ensuring that doctor's have to charge a specific amount for certain things and NOT ONE PENNY MORE.

While it might be a little disconcerting for a doctor to have a maximum salary cap, it protects the public from being taken advantage of in a particularly bad way (getting squeezed for health care dollars when you are in dire medical need).

If a doctor says that he or she is going to quit because they're not making enough money, I say go to your office, print up a copy of the Hippocratic Oath, roll it up and insert it into your rectum, and then write your resignation. See you in the unemployment line.

If a doctor is in it more for the money than for the actual HEALING, then they oughtn't be a doctor in the first place. Quit and play online poker.
 
2012-07-10 09:20:12 AM  

kmmontandon: Shrew2u: 699 data points from a pool of about 665,000 physicians would have a margin of error of 3.7 percent, if the poll is crafted well and the sample is statistically-reflective of the larger group.


It's self-selecting, and therefore is about as useful as a self-selecting sack of dog-sh*t.


all polls are self-selecting.
people choose whether or not they will participate and whether or not they will finish the poll once it got started.

or did you think people are forced to do a poll?
 
2012-07-10 09:21:17 AM  

Sudo_Make_Me_A_Sandwich: Pockafrusta: 63% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

Only because 85% of statisticians hate their farking job.


It's too much to think about.
 
2012-07-10 09:21:29 AM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: My doctor is my old high school biology teacher. She's a total lefty hippie liberal and went to medical school starting in her 40s because she wanted to make more of a difference. She thinks "Obamacare" is brilliant, and the start of what will eventually be a real socialized medical system.


okay. but she isn't a doctor and this article is about doctors.

please don't go off topic.

(p.s. my gardener doesn't like 0bamacare, so we are even)
 
2012-07-10 09:22:15 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: rta.
where is the rebuttal?


So you seriously think that 83% of doctors want to quit their careers over this?
 
2012-07-10 09:22:16 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: or did you think people are forced to do a poll?


They are when socialism.
 
2012-07-10 09:22:18 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: ecmoRandomNumbers: My doctor is my old high school biology teacher. She's a total lefty hippie liberal and went to medical school starting in her 40s because she wanted to make more of a difference. She thinks "Obamacare" is brilliant, and the start of what will eventually be a real socialized medical system.

okay. but she isn't a doctor and this article is about doctors.

please don't go off topic.

(p.s. my gardener doesn't like 0bamacare, so we are even)


woops, apologies, wrong reply.
 
2012-07-10 09:22:25 AM  
Bad Daily Caller! You didn't harmonize the statistical quirks!
 
2012-07-10 09:23:29 AM  

SilentStrider: Butthurtvania


WHAT A
HORRIBLE
NIGHT TO
HAVE
OBAMACARE.
 
2012-07-10 09:23:54 AM  

EyeballKid: farkityfarker: Where are they going to go to make more money?

You know, I hear there's an opening in the clown porn industry.


Only if you have a shovel.

//tooearly?
 
2012-07-10 09:24:31 AM  
So basically they used a NewsMax poll people could reach by clicking on a banner on Drudge.
 
2012-07-10 09:24:58 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: woops, apologies, wrong reply can't read.


FTFY
 
2012-07-10 09:24:59 AM  
I thought people wanted to be doctors to help people. You know, save lives, fix broken bones, etc. When in a doctor's life do the priorities flip and they are in it all for the money and nothing but? I would think that a doctors would embrace a more socialized version of health care...or at least anything that would make it easier in dealing with insurance companies. Or am I mis-interpreting what "Obamacare" is all about?
 
2012-07-10 09:26:43 AM  

Counter_Intelligent: SilentStrider: Butthurtvania

WHAT A
HORRIBLE
NIGHT TO
HAVE
OBAMACARE.


What is a GOPer?! A miserable little pile of secrets!
 
2012-07-10 09:28:22 AM  
Who the fark still uses a fax machine?
 
2012-07-10 09:28:37 AM  

kmmontandon: Shrew2u: 699 data points from a pool of about 665,000 physicians would have a margin of error of 3.7 percent, if the poll is crafted well and the sample is statistically-reflective of the larger group.


It's self-selecting, and therefore is about as useful as a self-selecting sack of dog-sh*t.


I've heard these called Self-selected Listener Opinion Polls, aka SLOP
 
2012-07-10 09:28:43 AM  
Your doctor can't quit. He has 100k in credit card debt. Plus he has to prescribe a certain number of key drugs or he doesn't get another free caribbean vacation for him and his wife and with his debt he can't afford it on his own.
 
2012-07-10 09:30:44 AM  
Too late, we already read the other headline.

/everything I deed to know I got from Fark headlines
 
2012-07-10 09:31:57 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: all polls are self-selecting.
people choose whether or not they will participate and whether or not they will finish the poll once it got started.

or did you think people are forced to do a poll?


I love your stuff, cheezo! I almost took this seriously.
 
2012-07-10 09:32:39 AM  

Zalan: Spam doctor's offices with faxes, 95.7% of them threw the junk in the trash deeming it not worthy of a response, 4.3% were so passionate about the issue that they bothered to reply, and of those so passionate 83% said that they thought about quitting. If you count the doctors that did not bother to respond to the survey as not wanting to quit over it


Made up interpretations != data.

It is a big leap to say that if you didn't respond, you aren't willing to quit over it.

You can be passionate about an issue and decide that you are too busy to respond, not respond because it doesn't matter anyway, or you get too many surveys about a lot of topics and don't want to bother.
 
2012-07-10 09:32:51 AM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Who the fark still uses a fax machine?


You use them in Dr's office a lot to capture signatures on patient release forms and Rxs.
 
2012-07-10 09:33:26 AM  
lol @ 10poundsofpuke. I'm starting to think he gets paid by how many times his name gets reposted. Disingenuous fark deserves no mentions or replies.
 
2012-07-10 09:33:41 AM  

Elmo Jones: I would guess that most doctors are completely unsuited for anything else, save golf, and they ain't that good.
Yes, Dr. soft-hands, try and do some other job (that will cover the McMansion and the Benz), with your highly-specialized brain. All you know is medicine, and probably just your specialty.


and if that cop didn't have a badge you could totally kick his ass...
 
2012-07-10 09:33:41 AM  
images.wikia.com

83% eh? Did Barney Stinson do the survey?
 
2012-07-10 09:34:05 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is a big leap to say that if you didn't respond, you aren't willing to quit over it.


It is a big leap to say that if you didn't respond, you are willing to quit over it.
 
2012-07-10 09:34:16 AM  

WelldeadLink: Too late, we already read the other headline.

/everything I deed to know I got from Fark headlines


Unless you're reading from bottom to top, though, this one is "first" now.
 
2012-07-10 09:34:24 AM  
tenpoundsofcheese:

0bamacare

thought provoking.
 
2012-07-10 09:34:40 AM  
Another theory shot to shiat...
 
2012-07-10 09:34:47 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Zalan: Spam doctor's offices with faxes, 95.7% of them threw the junk in the trash deeming it not worthy of a response, 4.3% were so passionate about the issue that they bothered to reply, and of those so passionate 83% said that they thought about quitting. If you count the doctors that did not bother to respond to the survey as not wanting to quit over it

Made up interpretations != data.

It is a big leap to say that if you didn't respond, you aren't willing to quit over it.

You can be passionate about an issue and decide that you are too busy to respond, not respond because it doesn't matter anyway, or you get too many surveys about a lot of topics and don't want to bother.


Good point. This proves that in reality, over 100% of doctors are going to quit because of Obamacare.
 
2012-07-10 09:34:52 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: kmmontandon: Shrew2u: 699 data points from a pool of about 665,000 physicians would have a margin of error of 3.7 percent, if the poll is crafted well and the sample is statistically-reflective of the larger group.


It's self-selecting, and therefore is about as useful as a self-selecting sack of dog-sh*t.

all polls are self-selecting.
people choose whether or not they will participate and whether or not they will finish the poll once it got started.

or did you think people are forced to do a poll?


You have to admit that conducting the poll in this way is very strange. I would never participate in a poll that required me filling out a form and faxing it back to someone. It is a very active participation, I think you have to admit, you need to be pretty motivated on the subject of the poll to answer one via fax.

Answering a few questions after a poll taker happens to catch me on the phone is much more passive. The person being polled doesn't really have to do anything but listen (ie. won't have to interrupt their TV watching time, caught me on my cell on my way home from work...). You are far more likely to get a more proper cross section of the community.
 
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