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2012-07-09 01:33:21 PM  
So Bill Keane is naming phone AI programs now? I wonder if Ida Know also made the list.
 
2012-07-09 01:44:09 PM  
Even without Google Now, the voice search of Ice Cream Sandwich is far better than Siri (I own devices that have both).

The voice recognition on Google's voice search on ICS is much better than Siri's. I often have to repeat myself multiple times with Siri just to get a response, whereas voice search on ICS is usually right the first time. Also, Google's voice search seems to be a lot more integrated to the OS. If I ask Siri that I want to listen to Robert Johnson, Siri will look in my own music from iTunes and stop there if I don't have it. If I ask Google Voice's voice search, it'll give me multiple options - it'll look for Robert Johnson on youtube, it'll send me to Google Play, my music and also Pandora along with other sevices.
 
2012-07-09 01:59:14 PM  
I still can't get my Samsung Epic 4G Touch (Galaxy S2 in plain language) to upgrade from Honeycomb from Sprint.. why do I care about Jellybean and features it brings?

My one and only complaint about Android is that it's never consistent across all devices.. while the iOS is. I have an Acer A500 android tablet.. awesome stuff.. but I have to pick and choose apps that are built for my phone and/or tablet.. meanwhile.. my Apple coworker has distinct app stores.. proven to work.. for his phone or tablet.. no mess.

I understand that Android is about free usage.. but dear god, can we get 1 stable, standard base that works on every device.. and then on top of that, an optional overlay from the manufacturer/carrier?
 
2012-07-09 02:19:16 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: I still can't get my Samsung Epic 4G Touch (Galaxy S2 in plain language) to upgrade from Honeycomb from Sprint.. why do I care about Jellybean and features it brings?

My one and only complaint about Android is that it's never consistent across all devices.. while the iOS is. I have an Acer A500 android tablet.. awesome stuff.. but I have to pick and choose apps that are built for my phone and/or tablet.. meanwhile.. my Apple coworker has distinct app stores.. proven to work.. for his phone or tablet.. no mess.

I understand that Android is about free usage.. but dear god, can we get 1 stable, standard base that works on every device.. and then on top of that, an optional overlay from the manufacturer/carrier?


Google is addressing this with their new "in-house" phones and tablets.
 
2012-07-09 02:36:03 PM  
But seriously, Is that rain I hear? IS IT?
 
2012-07-09 04:54:21 PM  
Did anyone other than tech press really believe Apple's claims of Siri being 5 years ahead of google? It was pretty obvious to anyone who had been paying attention that google already had years worth of work into voice technology and that it wasn't going to take much for them to bridge it to their existing tech and blow apple out of the water.
 
2012-07-09 04:58:24 PM  
I'm still pissed that Google's assistant application didn't end up being officially named Majel.
 
2012-07-09 05:02:06 PM  

timujin: Dr.Knockboots: I still can't get my Samsung Epic 4G Touch (Galaxy S2 in plain language) to upgrade from Honeycomb from Sprint.. why do I care about Jellybean and features it brings?

My one and only complaint about Android is that it's never consistent across all devices.. while the iOS is. I have an Acer A500 android tablet.. awesome stuff.. but I have to pick and choose apps that are built for my phone and/or tablet.. meanwhile.. my Apple coworker has distinct app stores.. proven to work.. for his phone or tablet.. no mess.

I understand that Android is about free usage.. but dear god, can we get 1 stable, standard base that works on every device.. and then on top of that, an optional overlay from the manufacturer/carrier?

Google is addressing this with their new "in-house" phones and tablets.


But what will that do for me if I don't buy/own a Google-specific device? Or is this something that will push me towards their in-house products next go-around? If that's their angle.. and everything integrates and works just liek Apple does (I hate admitting that btw).. I'm in.
 
2012-07-09 05:05:43 PM  
So Google's latest beta vs. Apple's not beta?
 
2012-07-09 05:07:27 PM  
*Apple's not latest beta I mean.
 
2012-07-09 05:11:20 PM  

darwinpolice: I'm still pissed that Google's assistant application didn't end up being officially named Majel.


I would very much like any phone that could give me a damage report or say what is offline like the Star Trek computers.
 
2012-07-09 05:15:07 PM  
I've been using Google Now for several days now. I have to agree, it's hella sweet.

I had to drop off my in-laws at the airport yesterday, and Google Now let me know that their flight was already delayed in Ontario, which was two stops before it got to their airport in Dallas!
 
2012-07-09 05:21:00 PM  
To be fair, Siri is MUCH improved in the iOS 6 beta I'm running on my new iPad.

Seems like this is something that will go back and forth as Google and Apple release updates. Competition is a good thing!
 
2012-07-09 05:21:48 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: timujin: Dr.Knockboots: I still can't get my Samsung Epic 4G Touch (Galaxy S2 in plain language) to upgrade from Honeycomb from Sprint.. why do I care about Jellybean and features it brings?

My one and only complaint about Android is that it's never consistent across all devices.. while the iOS is. I have an Acer A500 android tablet.. awesome stuff.. but I have to pick and choose apps that are built for my phone and/or tablet.. meanwhile.. my Apple coworker has distinct app stores.. proven to work.. for his phone or tablet.. no mess.

I understand that Android is about free usage.. but dear god, can we get 1 stable, standard base that works on every device.. and then on top of that, an optional overlay from the manufacturer/carrier?

Google is addressing this with their new "in-house" phones and tablets.

But what will that do for me if I don't buy/own a Google-specific device? Or is this something that will push me towards their in-house products next go-around? If that's their angle.. and everything integrates and works just like Apple does (I hate admitting that btw).. I'm in.


That was my point, for people who are looking for the sort of "stable, standard base" that you mentioned, the Google Nexus devices should offer and alternative to moving to an iDevice (which I will never do as long as I'm required to install software on my system in order to communicate with it)
 
2012-07-09 05:23:00 PM  

tanman1975: I've been using Google Now for several days now. I have to agree, it's hella sweet.

I had to drop off my in-laws at the airport yesterday, and Google Now let me know that their flight was already delayed in Ontario, which was two stops before it got to their airport in Dallas!


I'll have to give it a try. I just put Ice Cream Sandwich on my Touchpad this weekend and it's speed compared to WebOS is amazing, though I do miss the WebOS card system.

For anybody else who's done the same, apparently there's a way for you to try Google Now on your ICS device.
Link
 
2012-07-09 05:23:21 PM  
I think Siri should always precede every response with something like, "The all knowing, can do no wrong, People's Republic of Apple says".
 
2012-07-09 05:27:10 PM  

Makh: So Google's latest beta vs. Apple's not beta?


Siri is in Beta.
 
2012-07-09 05:32:36 PM  
Siri knows who Drew Curtis is :-P


i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-09 05:33:51 PM  
Siri knows who Drew Curtis is :-P
Remember, iOS6 (in beta) adds a lot more to Siri.
It will be interesting to see how Google and Apple improve voice capabilities as updates come out. Again, I welcome competition.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-07-09 05:34:26 PM  
Frakkin double post. Sorry.
 
2012-07-09 05:49:24 PM  

Corvus: Makh: So Google's latest beta vs. Apple's not beta?

Siri is in Beta.


As TFA said, when you run primetime adverts starring Sam Jackson touting a feature as the big selling point of a product that feature is not "in beta".

I'd love Ford to say the Focus is "in beta" and that any time someone's broke down Ford said "Sorry, it's in beta. Too bad."
 
2012-07-09 06:04:24 PM  

Dr.Knockboots: I still can't get my Samsung Epic 4G Touch (Galaxy S2 in plain language) to upgrade from Honeycomb from Sprint.. why do I care about Jellybean and features it brings?

My one and only complaint about Android is that it's never consistent across all devices.. while the iOS is. I have an Acer A500 android tablet.. awesome stuff.. but I have to pick and choose apps that are built for my phone and/or tablet.. meanwhile.. my Apple coworker has distinct app stores.. proven to work.. for his phone or tablet.. no mess.

I understand that Android is about free usage.. but dear god, can we get 1 stable, standard base that works on every device.. and then on top of that, an optional overlay from the manufacturer/carrier?


About the upgrade on your Epic 4g Touch...you're phone is likely running Gingerbread, not Honeycomb, as Honeycomb is the tablets only OS. And you'll be upgrading to ICS, not Jellybean. The reason you haven't upgraded isn't Sprint's fault, but Samsung's. Manufacturer's have been in charge of the upgrade.
Like you, I also am on Sprint. I own an HTC Evo 3D, and I'm getting frustrated with no upgrade. Going on a year with this phone, and HTC said back in January that my phone would be getting it in the winter. Well here we are in July and still no update.
Also, the Play Store on your Acer should have only apps that are tablet compatible. I've never downloaded an app for my Thrive that didn't work properly. Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but your Acer should have ICS already. So hopefully soon your tablet and phone will be running the same version of android.
 
2012-07-09 06:24:57 PM  
If it won't understand my accent then it's no use no matter how comprehensive the search or recollection.
 
2012-07-09 06:57:02 PM  
"Siri, I just got in an accident and I'm bleeding badly! Call me an ambulance"
 
2012-07-09 06:58:56 PM  
SVenus: "I've found 8 hospitals, 3 are fairly close to you."

/actual result
 
2012-07-09 06:59:11 PM  
I speak of none other than the computer that is to come after me.
A computer whose merest operational parameters I am not worthy to calculate - and yet I will design it for you. A computer which can calculate the Question to the Ultimate Answer, a computer of such infinite and subtle complexity that organic life itself shall form part of its operational matrix. And you yourselves shall take on new forms and go down into the computer to navigate its ten-million-year program! Yes! I shall design this computer for you. And I shall name it also unto you. And it shall be called ...
 
2012-07-09 06:59:49 PM  
Pretty sure saying "call 911" would work, but for obvious reasons I won't be testing that one :-p
 
2012-07-09 07:14:24 PM  

SVenus: "Siri, I just got in an accident and I'm bleeding badly! Call me an ambulance"


Here's some links for retailers who sell window valances in your area...
 
2012-07-09 07:27:56 PM  

OriginalGamer: Siri knows who Drew Curtis is :-P


[i.imgur.com image 640x480]


Wolfram alpha knows who drew is.
 
2012-07-09 07:49:21 PM  

Flint Ironstag: Corvus: Makh: So Google's latest beta vs. Apple's not beta?

Siri is in Beta.

As TFA said, when you run primetime adverts starring Sam Jackson touting a feature as the big selling point of a product that feature is not "in beta".

I'd love Ford to say the Focus is "in beta" and that any time someone's broke down Ford said "Sorry, it's in beta. Too bad."


Good point, Google NEVER keeps products in beta that they've had a round and try to promote and drive customers too. Should I list all of them they have done this with?
 
2012-07-09 07:51:23 PM  

Flint Ironstag: I'd love Ford to say the Focus is "in beta" and that any time someone's broke down Ford said "Sorry, it's in beta. Too bad."


Yes, that's exactly the same thing. Google has never put a major product in beta EVER.

farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2012-07-09 08:27:15 PM  

timujin: Dr.Knockboots: timujin: Dr.Knockboots: I still can't get my Samsung Epic 4G Touch (Galaxy S2 in plain language) to upgrade from Honeycomb from Sprint.. why do I care about Jellybean and features it brings?

My one and only complaint about Android is that it's never consistent across all devices.. while the iOS is. I have an Acer A500 android tablet.. awesome stuff.. but I have to pick and choose apps that are built for my phone and/or tablet.. meanwhile.. my Apple coworker has distinct app stores.. proven to work.. for his phone or tablet.. no mess.

I understand that Android is about free usage.. but dear god, can we get 1 stable, standard base that works on every device.. and then on top of that, an optional overlay from the manufacturer/carrier?

Google is addressing this with their new "in-house" phones and tablets.

But what will that do for me if I don't buy/own a Google-specific device? Or is this something that will push me towards their in-house products next go-around? If that's their angle.. and everything integrates and works just like Apple does (I hate admitting that btw).. I'm in.

That was my point, for people who are looking for the sort of "stable, standard base" that you mentioned, the Google Nexus devices should offer and alternative to moving to an iDevice (which I will never do as long as I'm required to install software on my system in order to communicate with it)


You know, iTunes is no longer required. It has been entirely optional since iOS 5.
 
2012-07-09 08:29:34 PM  

Corvus: Flint Ironstag: I'd love Ford to say the Focus is "in beta" and that any time someone's broke down Ford said "Sorry, it's in beta. Too bad."

Yes, that's exactly the same thing. Google has never put a major product in beta EVER.

[farm4.static.flickr.com image 580x75]


Google has never charged people money for a beta product, AFAIK. And Chrome has had a stable, non-beta, version for years.

Beta is supposed to be a testing phase, where users can try it out free on the understanding that it may crash or do weird stuff, in return for feedback. Not get Samuel L Jackson to promote on primetime TV as the big selling point for your $600 phone.
 
2012-07-09 08:36:47 PM  

Thrakkerzog: timujin: Dr.Knockboots: timujin: Dr.Knockboots: I still can't get my Samsung Epic 4G Touch (Galaxy S2 in plain language) to upgrade from Honeycomb from Sprint.. why do I care about Jellybean and features it brings?

My one and only complaint about Android is that it's never consistent across all devices.. while the iOS is. I have an Acer A500 android tablet.. awesome stuff.. but I have to pick and choose apps that are built for my phone and/or tablet.. meanwhile.. my Apple coworker has distinct app stores.. proven to work.. for his phone or tablet.. no mess.

I understand that Android is about free usage.. but dear god, can we get 1 stable, standard base that works on every device.. and then on top of that, an optional overlay from the manufacturer/carrier?

Google is addressing this with their new "in-house" phones and tablets.

But what will that do for me if I don't buy/own a Google-specific device? Or is this something that will push me towards their in-house products next go-around? If that's their angle.. and everything integrates and works just like Apple does (I hate admitting that btw).. I'm in.

That was my point, for people who are looking for the sort of "stable, standard base" that you mentioned, the Google Nexus devices should offer and alternative to moving to an iDevice (which I will never do as long as I'm required to install software on my system in order to communicate with it)

You know, iTunes is no longer required. It has been entirely optional since iOS 5.


No, I wasn't aware. You can now plug an iPhone into a computer and transfer music to it directly without iTunes?
 
2012-07-09 09:00:51 PM  

timujin: No, I wasn't aware. You can now plug an iPhone into a computer and transfer music to it directly without iTunes?


You can use a variety of free and open source software to manage your music library, though. Alternatively, you can sync your music through Amazon's cloud drive and use their music player.

If you are asking about dragging music files from your hard drive to a device showing up as a USB mass storage device, it can be done but it's not pretty.
 
2012-07-09 09:45:22 PM  

Gordon Bennett: If it won't understand my accent then it's no use no matter how comprehensive the search or recollection.


I thought Google's voice recgonition was pretty good about accents. I've seen some videos of Aussie Googlers with pretty thick accents having no problem with it.
 
2012-07-09 09:46:01 PM  

Thrakkerzog: timujin: No, I wasn't aware. You can now plug an iPhone into a computer and transfer music to it directly without iTunes?

You can use a variety of free and open source software to manage your music library, though. Alternatively, you can sync your music through Amazon's cloud drive and use their music player.

If you are asking about dragging music files from your hard drive to a device showing up as a USB mass storage device, it can be done but it's not pretty.


That's what I'm waiting for. I don't want to have to install software to "manage" my phone, I want to be able to plug it in to any PC and have it work. Android gives me that, iPhone and, as far as I understand, Windows Phone (and, seriously, why can't MS figure out how to name things?) do not.
 
2012-07-09 10:48:54 PM  

timujin: That was my point, for people who are looking for the sort of "stable, standard base" that you mentioned, the Google Nexus devices should offer and alternative to moving to an iDevice (which I will never do as long as I'm required to install software on my system in order to communicate with it)


My only complaint here is that I'm one of the few people who like my hardware keyboard, and the number of manufacturers offering them is already pretty sparse -- there's only 1-2 per carrier. Google's Nexus devices are unlikely to offer a keyboard, which means I'm stuck waiting for updates... :(
 
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2012-07-09 11:02:30 PM  

smimmy: I'll have to give it a try. I just put Ice Cream Sandwich on my Touchpad this weekend


That's going to be hard to do without a working microphone, or did they finally get that fixed?
 
2012-07-09 11:19:24 PM  

Corvus: Flint Ironstag: I'd love Ford to say the Focus is "in beta" and that any time someone's broke down Ford said "Sorry, it's in beta. Too bad."

Yes, that's exactly the same thing. Google has never put a major product in beta EVER.

[farm4.static.flickr.com image 580x75]


Yeah, here's the deal: Google never charged for those services that were perpetually in beta. You don't sell shiat when it's still in beta.
 
2012-07-09 11:20:06 PM  
Thrakkerzog:It has been entirely optional since iOS 5.

So if you order any i-thing online and have it delivered to your door -- and your computer(s) happened to be broken that day, you can activate and use your phone without leaving your house, right?
 
2012-07-10 12:59:01 AM  
Siri: "SVenus, you're an ambulance. "
 
2012-07-10 04:23:44 AM  
hmmm.....how well will Google Now perform when a large user base is smashing their servers with requests....I think there are probably three people using jelly bean at the moment. So it seems silly to declare a definitive winner in an emerging technology that is rapidly advancing and evolving.

just my take on this. I like both Google and Apple products...both companies have vastly improved my capability to access useless data about the Kardashians.
 
2012-07-10 04:36:44 AM  

OriginalGamer: To be fair, Siri is MUCH improved in the iOS 6 beta I'm running on my new iPad.

Seems like this is something that will go back and forth as Google and Apple release updates. Competition is a good thing!


This. That said, it's looking like Google is a step ahead of what Apple will be releasing this fall, which is awesome. This is the shiat that pushes things forward and benefits us.
 
2012-07-10 04:41:38 AM  

redpanda2: Gordon Bennett: If it won't understand my accent then it's no use no matter how comprehensive the search or recollection.

I thought Google's voice recgonition was pretty good about accents. I've seen some videos of Aussie Googlers with pretty thick accents having no problem with it.


Maybe. I still worry the problem will go to ELEVEN!^
 
2012-07-10 06:05:43 AM  
"Google, where are my pants?"
 
2012-07-10 11:01:06 AM  
FTA: At this rate, it'll be at least another year before most Android users get to take advantage of Google Now.

which means apple will have a year to respond to it's capabilities and why no matter how good it is, apple will still hold the market share for another year which will give them a big head start with customers to whom this is a big deal.

/i don't care, i'll reconsider android phones when they get some in-house custom hardware to run it, i'm not interested in using a phone that has great potential but is crippled by 3rd party bloat out of the box
//i'll probably only use siri when i'm driving and need to write an email or something
 
2012-07-10 11:14:15 AM  

burndtdan: , i'll reconsider android phones when they get some in-house custom hardware to run it


iPhone is for people who have no desire to tinker or customize their phone, the same people who couldn't give a crap about half the functions of their phone. More power to them, I say.

I enjoy the tinkering, which is why the bloated third party Android phones don't bother me. I know I'll erase it anyway.

That said, the Nexus phones are way easier to do this with, and no bloat to boot. Don't know why they don't get the advertising push they deserve.
 
2012-07-10 03:16:47 PM  

kingflower: hmmm.....how well will Google Now perform when a large user base is smashing their servers with requests....


Google's voice recognition software is on the phone...no server required. As far as Google's search engines, I think they have that shiat figured out.
 
2012-07-10 05:52:55 PM  

bakageta: timujin: That was my point, for people who are looking for the sort of "stable, standard base" that you mentioned, the Google Nexus devices should offer and alternative to moving to an iDevice (which I will never do as long as I'm required to install software on my system in order to communicate with it)

My only complaint here is that I'm one of the few people who like my hardware keyboard, and the number of manufacturers offering them is already pretty sparse -- there's only 1-2 per carrier. Google's Nexus devices are unlikely to offer a keyboard, which means I'm stuck waiting for updates... :(


I'm also a fan of a physical keyboard. I have a couple of friends who have the Samsung Stratosphere and they seem to really like them. I was thinking of going with the S3, but might get the Stratosphere just for the keyboard.
 
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