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(Ars Technica)   US backs copyright "limitations," tells the MPAA and RIAA to DIAF   (arstechnica.com) divider line 38
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2012-07-09 01:31:43 PM  
My bittorrent is bogging down my internet because I'm leeching like a mofo...so I'm gonna get a kick out of these replies.

/seriously though, good on them for taking a stance (no matter how small) on setting some limitations to copyrights
//not quit biatching Hollywood and record labels, and start churning out quality product
 
2012-07-09 01:35:05 PM  

FinFangFark: My bittorrent is bogging down my internet because I'm leeching like a mofo...so I'm gonna get a kick out of these replies.

/seriously though, good on them for taking a stance (no matter how small) on setting some limitations to copyrights
//not quit biatching Hollywood and record labels, and start churning out quality product


Ohhhhh, the butthurt from the RIAA and MPAA will be glorious. Chris Dodd must be having kittens right now.
 
2012-07-09 01:37:21 PM  
But what happens in 1 million years when Mickey Mouse finally enters the public domain? How will Disney make money????
 
2012-07-09 01:49:59 PM  
So the RIAA/MPAA will get international authority to take down pretty much any website they want, for nearly any reason they can dream up, and in return they may only get copyrights that last 75 years.

See how mad they are? They're furious over having to make this concession! Raar!
 
2012-07-09 01:51:27 PM  

Thats_Not_My_Baby: But what happens in 1 million years when Mickey Mouse finally enters the public domain? How will Disney make money????


Fool! Mickey will never enter public domain. How would Disney ever be able to make a profit if just anybody could do what they wanted with their characters, like Cinderella, Snow White, Pocahontas, and Sleeping Beauty. Disney put too much effort into creating them.
 
2012-07-09 01:51:30 PM  

Did the government finally find the secret mathematical formula that the RIAA and MPAA use to calculate those "Billions$ in Estimated Losses Solely Due to Piracy" figures they keep throwing around?

Warning! Advanced Mathematics Ahead!

P = WR

where:
P = the estimated losses to be blamed solely on Piracy,
R = their actual sales Revenues in Reality, and
W = what they Wish that those revenues Were.
 
2012-07-09 01:51:43 PM  

Rwa2play: FinFangFark: My bittorrent is bogging down my internet because I'm leeching like a mofo...so I'm gonna get a kick out of these replies.

/seriously though, good on them for taking a stance (no matter how small) on setting some limitations to copyrights
//not quit biatching Hollywood and record labels, and start churning out quality product

Ohhhhh, the butthurt from the RIAA and MPAA will be glorious. Chris Dodd must be having kittens right now.


Don't stop with Dodd - probably half of Congress is fuming that the MPAA/RIAA lobbying won't be as lucrative anymore.

// including, sadly, Al Franken
 
2012-07-09 01:53:03 PM  
Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.
 
jvl
2012-07-09 01:56:46 PM  

Rwa2play: Ohhhhh, the butthurt from the RIAA and MPAA will be glorious. Chris Dodd must be having kittens right now.


"Oh no," said Chris Dodd, "they will have to pay me more money to lobby harder now."
 
2012-07-09 01:57:42 PM  
TFA keeps talking about a three part test for limitations and exceptions but never mentions what that exactly means. Can anyone help me out, my google-fu seems to be weak today.
 
2012-07-09 02:01:08 PM  

Ima_Lurker: TFA keeps talking about a three part test for limitations and exceptions but never mentions what that exactly means. Can anyone help me out, my google-fu seems to be weak today.


Link
 
2012-07-09 02:17:01 PM  

Ima_Lurker: TFA keeps talking about a three part test for limitations and exceptions but never mentions what that exactly means. Can anyone help me out, my google-fu seems to be weak today.


I think it involves rolling it around in flour, and finding the wet spot...I think.
 
2012-07-09 02:22:01 PM  

FinFangFark: Ima_Lurker: TFA keeps talking about a three part test for limitations and exceptions but never mentions what that exactly means. Can anyone help me out, my google-fu seems to be weak today.

I think it involves rolling it around in flour, and finding the wet spot...I think.


So step three of course would be profit.

/finally found step 2
 
2012-07-09 02:27:19 PM  
www.hotflick.net
 
2012-07-09 02:29:24 PM  
Well

Unoriginal_Username: FinFangFark: Ima_Lurker: TFA keeps talking about a three part test for limitations and exceptions but never mentions what that exactly means. Can anyone help me out, my google-fu seems to be weak today.

I think it involves rolling it around in flour, and finding the wet spot...I think.

So step three of course would be profit.

/finally found step 2


Well yeah, that's step 3...I left it out because I figured step 2 would keep you busy for a little while.

Must have used a lot of flour.
 
2012-07-09 02:40:54 PM  

Doryphore: Ima_Lurker: TFA keeps talking about a three part test for limitations and exceptions but never mentions what that exactly means. Can anyone help me out, my google-fu seems to be weak today.

Link


Thanks
 
2012-07-09 03:12:20 PM  
Other countries notice the way Hollywood has bought legislation

This was NZ Herald response to the Kim Tim Jim Dotcom and NZ police fiasco

i50.tinypic.com
 
2012-07-09 03:17:10 PM  

SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.


Antitrust concerns?

/ha ha, j/k. It's not like our government enforces that anymore
//*sob*
 
2012-07-09 03:28:00 PM  

SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.


Yeah, look at all that destroying they've done. Why, there haven't been any new movies, television shows, or music in at least five years. We are in a Desert of Creativity here.
 
2012-07-09 04:13:35 PM  

Theaetetus: SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.

Yeah, look at all that destroying they've done. Why, there haven't been any new movies, television shows, or music in at least five years. We are in a Desert of Creativity here.


Pretty sure he was talking about the internet. Still a tad hyperbolic, but seriously, did you not pick up on that?
 
2012-07-09 04:19:03 PM  

Theaetetus: SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.

Yeah, look at all that destroying they've done. Why, there have hardly haven't been any new good movies, television shows, or music in at least five years. We are in a Desert of Creativity here.


FTFY
 
2012-07-09 04:21:50 PM  

Theaetetus: SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.

Yeah, look at all that destroying they've done. Why, there haven't been any new movies, television shows, or music in at least five years. We are in a Desert of Creativity here.


you have my intent backwards. The movie/music industries are trying to destroy the internet. make no mistake, they would burn it to the ground right now if they could. I'm actually quite shocked they don't go out chopping fiber at night.
 
2012-07-09 04:37:57 PM  
Whatever happened to copyrights and trademarks being a civil matter?

Do we really need armed raids on copyright violators?
 
2012-07-09 04:38:21 PM  

Thats_Not_My_Baby: But what happens in 1 million years when Mickey Mouse finally enters the public domain? How will Disney make money????


Mickey will never enter the public domain for the simple reason that he is trademarked as well as copyrighted, and like diamonds and my sexual potency, trademarks are forever. It doesn't matter that it was once copyrighted. See Boston Professional Hockey Association, Inc. v. Dallas Cap & Emblem Manufacturing, Inc., 510 F.2d 1004, 1014 (5th Cir.), cert. denied, 423 U.S. 868, 96 S.Ct. 132, 46 L.Ed.2d 98 (1975).*

The Mouse's lawyers know this well, and it explains in part certain moves by the company, such as the re-establishment of the "princess line" which exists to strengthen the argument that the images of the iconic Disney princesses are signifiers of source and are thus protectable marks referring to the company.

I figure that this will be a big arena of lawsuit in the next 20-30 years, as I can see people attempting to challenge this on Dastar type grounds, i.e. Scalia's admonition that we cannot "create a species of mutant copyright law that limits the public's 'federal right to copy and to use' expired copyrights," that would birth "a species of perpetual patent and copyright, which Congress may not do."

/* it personally pains me to cite this case, as it main holding is one of the worst things in Trademark Law
 
2012-07-09 04:43:12 PM  

SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.


That's actually not a bad question. You've seen them circumvent it in some ways (Apple with the iTunes store, Microsoft with turning the Xbox 360 into a digital entertainment hub) but no one has the balls to completely shred the old business model.
 
2012-07-09 04:47:52 PM  
But the media industry tells me there's only two options: copyrights that last forever, or complete anarchy. How can a reasonable middle-ground exist?
 
2012-07-09 05:21:10 PM  

Theaetetus: SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.

Yeah, look at all that destroying they've done. Why, there haven't been any new movies, television shows, or music in at least five years. We are in a Desert of Creativity here.


The sad thing is that I know you're trying to be sarcastic but given that the most original thing to hit theaters in the past decade is mediocre porn for women, you're failing pretty miserably at it.

/lol, Battleship: the movie
//or, what appears to be the landspeed record in recycling: The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo (2011) (the original was 2009).
 
2012-07-09 05:24:52 PM  

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: Theaetetus: SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.

Yeah, look at all that destroying they've done. Why, there haven't been any new movies, television shows, or music in at least five years. We are in a Desert of Creativity here.

The sad thing is that I know you're trying to be sarcastic but given that the most original thing to hit theaters in the past decade is mediocre porn for women, you're failing pretty miserably at it.


Spoken like a true hipster.

/are we supposed to get off your lawn, too?
 
2012-07-09 05:28:59 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // including, sadly, Al Franken


Yeah. He has been one of the biggest let-downs for me in the past few years.
 
2012-07-09 05:45:02 PM  

Theaetetus: Spoken like a true hipster.

/are we supposed to get off your lawn, too?


Well, if you're going to open the door like that, I'm not going to say no. Take out your auto-tune garbage and pick up your Hasbro toy-line movies before you go.
 
2012-07-09 05:57:50 PM  

SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.


I dunno, why hasn't GM just solved its issues with overpaying workers by just buying the UAW?

//This question doesn't make sense for the same reason your question doesn't make sense. Why do you think that protective associations would be IPOs without contract protection against hostile takeover, or even public corporations at all?
 
2012-07-09 08:09:51 PM  
Game of Thrones won't get to 5 seasons because people don't actually buy the cable subscription that pays for it - they just pirate it.
 
2012-07-09 09:22:34 PM  

narkor: Game of Thrones won't get to 5 seasons because people don't actually buy the cable subscription that pays for it - they just pirate it.


We would pay for it. We'd pay a lot.
HBO refuses to update their business model.
 
2012-07-09 09:35:32 PM  
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2012-07-09 09:47:09 PM  

Thats_Not_My_Baby: But what happens in 1 million years when Mickey Mouse finally enters the public domain? How will Disney make money????


The funny/ironic/sad thing is that aside from using him as a logo and marketing device, Disney does nothing with he Mouse.
 
2012-07-09 09:49:10 PM  

jvl: "Oh no," said Chris Dodd, "they will have to pay me more money to lobby harder now."


Lobby Hard 2: Lobby Harder
 
2012-07-09 11:10:34 PM  

Jim_Callahan: SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.

I dunno, why hasn't GM just solved its issues with overpaying workers by just buying the UAW?

//This question doesn't make sense for the same reason your question doesn't make sense. Why do you think that protective associations would be IPOs without contract protection against hostile takeover, or even public corporations at all?


obviously I meant the member companies. apple buy time warner, microsoft buy say... viacom. google buy emi. you see what I mean. it obviously is fraught with peril, but I still think it is a valid question. those companies are trying to kill the internet. Apple, google, etc, kind of need the internet. they are enemies. They can't field armies and hash it out. The tech companies could pretty much buy all the entertainment companies if they worked together. but they sit there and let the elementary school kid punch them in the face and steal their lunch money.
 
Esn
2012-07-10 07:28:45 AM  

SuperT: Theaetetus: SuperT: Why haven't google, ms, apple, etc just up and bought the whole mpaa/riaa wholesale? they let a small industry (comparatively) attempt to destroy something that is very vital to their well being and continued existence.

Yeah, look at all that destroying they've done. Why, there haven't been any new movies, television shows, or music in at least five years. We are in a Desert of Creativity here.

you have my intent backwards. The movie/music industries are trying to destroy the internet. make no mistake, they would burn it to the ground right now if they could. I'm actually quite shocked they don't go out chopping fiber at night.


A professor did a study recently about how those industries crippled many tech startups in the past decade so that they could cling to their old business models a while longer. Their behaviour really is very reminiscent of Mafia tactics.

Just as one example: they wouldn't give licenses to any tech startup that didn't have high traffic - but once they did have high traffic, they preferred to shut them down by suing them for incurred damages instead (the higher the traffic, the higher the settlements they could get - that was the business model)
 
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