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2012-07-09 01:55:12 PM
For the last time folks there is no Tb "vaccine"

There is a vaccine that confers some protection but this is variable.

The most controversial aspect of BCG is the variable efficacy found in different clinical trials that appears to depend on geography. Trials conducted in the UK have consistently shown a protective effect of 60 to 80%, but those conducted elsewhere have shown no protective effect, and efficacy appears to fall the closer one gets to the equator.[4][5]

The first large-scale trial evaluating the efficacy of BCG was conducted from 1956 to 1963, and involved 54,239 school children who received BCG at the age of 14 or 15; this study showed an efficacy of 84% up to five years after immunization.[6] However, a US Public Health Service trial of BCG in Georgia and Alabama published in 1966 showed an efficacy of only 14%,[7] and did much to convince the US it did not want to implement mass immunization with BCG. A further trial conducted in South India and published in 1979 (the "Chingleput trial"), showed no protective effect.[8]

The duration of protection of BCG is not clearly known. In those studies showing a protective effect, the data are inconsistent. The MRC study showed protection waned to 59% after 15 years and to zero after 20 years; however, a study looking at native Americans immunized in the 1930s found evidence of protection even 60 years after immunization, with only a slight waning in efficacy.[9]

BCG seems to have its greatest effect in preventing miliary TB or TB meningitis,[10] so it is still extensively used even in countries where efficacy against pulmonary tuberculosis is negligible.

 
2012-07-09 01:57:18 PM

NuttierThanEver: Every healthcare worker in the United States (down to the janitors and people who serve hospital food, the volunteers, etc) is required to get TB vaccines tested.

The BCG vaccine which is routinely given for Tb in some countries is NOT used in the US on a regular basis. Active surveilence of health care workers with annual screening tests with the PPD or similar test is still the recommended process according to most Tb experts in the US.


Thanks for the clarification.

Yes, it is such a big deal in America that healthcare workers are tested annually.
 
2012-07-09 01:58:25 PM

Bontesla: Right now, there's about 52+ kids in Cambodia that have all died from an unknown illness. All children are under the age of seven. None of them are connected in any way (different hospitals, different towns, different families, and so on) so it doesn't appear to be contagious.


Link
we're all gonna die
 
2012-07-09 02:00:49 PM
Linked to 13 deaths and 99 illnesses, including six children...

Hey, tax cuts for the rich aren't free. Anyway, they're not my children...
 
2012-07-09 02:15:13 PM

namatad: Bontesla: Right now, there's about 52+ kids in Cambodia that have all died from an unknown illness. All children are under the age of seven. None of them are connected in any way (different hospitals, different towns, different families, and so on) so it doesn't appear to be contagious.

Link
we're all gonna die


Holy crap!
Thanks for the update.
 
2012-07-09 02:28:06 PM
This is what happens when people don't realize what infrastructure has done for them. At some point, the keystone is pulled and shiat comes crashing down.
 
2012-07-09 02:29:35 PM

Bontesla: namatad: Bontesla: Right now, there's about 52+ kids in Cambodia that have all died from an unknown illness. All children are under the age of seven. None of them are connected in any way (different hospitals, different towns, different families, and so on) so it doesn't appear to be contagious.

Link
we're all gonna die

Holy crap!
Thanks for the update.


CONTAGION !

/this is also why I never leave the house.
 
2012-07-09 02:36:23 PM

Nadie_AZ: At some point, the keystone is pulled and shiat comes crashing down.


Which is why 0bama should have approved it. Now we're farked.
 
2012-07-09 02:45:54 PM
Most of the sick were poor black men.

If a dozen homeless black men die of TB and nobody cares to hear it, do they make a cough?
 
2012-07-09 02:46:50 PM
ALL REPUBLICANS ARE THIS SHORT-SIGHTED, MALEVOLENT AND BLOODTHIRSTY, JUST LIKE JESUS!

Think about it: If Christianity is following the teachings of Christ, and Republicans are the ones who self-identify most as Christians, then Jesus was one evil, greedy, bloodsucking coont.
 
2012-07-09 02:48:10 PM

Zalan: Jindal "We don't need volcano monitoring" = Volcano Explosion in Alaska
Romney "We don't need more firefighters" = Giant wildfire in Colorado
Scott "We don't need Tuberculosis treatment center" = Big Tuberculosis outbreak in Floriduh.


Even better for the third is that he knew that the TB outbreak was happening, and not only closed the hospital, but had it shuttered six months earlier than originally planned.


Treating TB is about $600, unless it goes drug resistant, in which case it ballons up to 6 figures. But they're poor, mostly black people, who caught it... and they'd likely vote Democrat anyway, so it's not like Fire Governor Rick would care.
 
2012-07-09 02:48:53 PM
This is once instance where I think the "I got mine" mentality of the Republitards would actually work well for America.
 
2012-07-09 02:49:23 PM

ginandbacon: RexTalionis: Aarontology: People still get TB? really?

Not only can people still get TB, but the TB people can get now is a hell of a lot worse than the TB of 100 years ago.

Instances of TDR-TB are popping up around the world. That "TDR" means totally drug resistant - as in there are no antibiotics that would work to treat it.

The Russians have been using phages for a while now with really great results. But there's not a lot of profit in them so...


I'm a big fan of phages....and keep hoping they'll get some more research $$.....
 
2012-07-09 02:50:16 PM

Mr. Coffee Nerves: "Tuberculosis" has such a negative sound. The Florida Department of Health would prefer you use "Hiccups of Freedom"


Bootstrapper's Lung.
 
2012-07-09 02:50:40 PM

AirForceVet: Maybe some of those TB-infected individuals will hang out around the GOP Convention in Tampa. Now THAT would be irony, full circle.


Well they would go to the convention infected because they do not have medical insurance.
 
2012-07-09 02:52:10 PM
3,000 people in the past two years may have had close contact with contagious people at Jacksonville's homeless shelters, an outpatient mental health clinic and area jails.

i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-07-09 02:52:53 PM

Zalan: Jindal "We don't need volcano monitoring" = Volcano Explosion in Alaska
Romney "We don't need more firefighters" = Giant wildfire in Colorado
Scott "We don't need Tuberculosis treatment center" = Big Tuberculosis outbreak in Floriduh.


It's as if someone they profess to believe in is telling them something.
Something important.
I wonder what it is?
 
2012-07-09 02:53:06 PM

NowhereMon: Who cares, only poors get TB.


I'd wager a weeks take that we make a hell of a lot more than your ignorant ass, but a close friend of mine almost died after contracting TB while we were working in Angola. So STFU, not funny.

/snark
//kinda
 
2012-07-09 02:55:04 PM

BSABSVR: Mr. Coffee Nerves: "Tuberculosis" has such a negative sound. The Florida Department of Health would prefer you use "Hiccups of Freedom"

Bootstrapper's Lung.


You, sir, are my new hero!

/subscribe to your newsletter, I would like to, etc
 
2012-07-09 02:56:57 PM
As much as I get upset at Massachusetts sometimes, it still ranks head and shoulders about at least 40 of the other states out there. Florida being one. I mean, there's a reason it has it's own tag.
 
2012-07-09 02:56:57 PM
Not trying to defend Rick Scott, but the outbreak occurred BEFORE the state's closure of the hospital and not as a result as subby implied in the headline. Also the report from the CDC was drafted 9 days after the bill to close the hospital was signed.
 
2012-07-09 02:57:06 PM
That's not just not irony, it's the opposite of irony.
 
2012-07-09 02:58:07 PM

PsyLord: Not trying to defend Rick Scott, but the outbreak occurred BEFORE the state's closure of the hospital and not as a result as subby implied in the headline.


He closed the state's primary TB treatment hospital in the middle of an outbreak? You're right, you aren't trying to defend him.
 
2012-07-09 03:01:30 PM
If you voted for this maniac, please end yourself. Seriously.
 
2012-07-09 03:02:27 PM

Aarontology: People still get TB? really?


Yes. Yes they do, and because of idiotic decisions like those made by Florida's Public health department and the FDA and Dept of Agriculture's ridiculous decisions on allowing antibiotics to be given to livestock and poultry, your comment will be looked upon as bitterly ironic in a generation or so.
 
2012-07-09 03:02:36 PM

Fark It: NuttierThanEver: Every healthcare worker in the United States (down to the janitors and people who serve hospital food, the volunteers, etc) is required to get TB vaccines tested.

The BCG vaccine which is routinely given for Tb in some countries is NOT used in the US on a regular basis. Active surveilence of health care workers with annual screening tests with the PPD or similar test is still the recommended process according to most Tb experts in the US.

Thanks for the clarification.

Yes, it is such a big deal in America that healthcare workers are tested anally.


That's how i read it!
 
2012-07-09 03:02:50 PM

Zalan: Jindal "We don't need volcano monitoring" = Volcano Explosion in Alaska
Romney "We don't need more firefighters" = Giant wildfire in Colorado
Scott "We don't need Tuberculosis treatment center" = Big Tuberculosis outbreak in Floriduh.


Obama "Off shore drilling is the future" == Deep Water Horizon *phooom* *spew*
Obama "Clean Coal is the future" == Massey mine fire, 29 dead.
Obama "Nuclear Energy is the future" == Fukushima *burp*

Most of our leaders are idiots who are obsessed with huffing each others farts.
 
2012-07-09 03:03:01 PM

Sasquach: ginandbacon: RexTalionis: Aarontology: People still get TB? really?

Not only can people still get TB, but the TB people can get now is a hell of a lot worse than the TB of 100 years ago.

Instances of TDR-TB are popping up around the world. That "TDR" means totally drug resistant - as in there are no antibiotics that would work to treat it.

The Russians have been using phages for a while now with really great results. But there's not a lot of profit in them so...

I'm a big fan of phages....and keep hoping they'll get some more research $$.....


Aren't they amazing?? We really need to be investing in them heavily.
 
2012-07-09 03:03:32 PM

PreMortem: It appears its mostly affecting black homeless men, so there ya go.


Well, that explains everything.

We don't need to send troops, deal with shady druglords, lie about the transmission like AIDS....it just naturally seeks out and kills the "undesirable" element.

By God if this doesn't seal Rick Scott as a speaker at the RNC this year then nothing will!
 
2012-07-09 03:04:06 PM

PsyLord: Not trying to defend Rick Scott, but the outbreak occurred BEFORE the state's closure of the hospital and not as a result as subby implied in the headline.


They closed it AFTER they knew of the outbreak and you somehow think that's better? RLLY?
 
2012-07-09 03:05:16 PM
I applaud the decision by the Florida officials to do this. Florida needs to downsize it's population anyway.
 
2012-07-09 03:05:19 PM

namatad: RexTalionis: Not only can people still get TB, but the TB people can get now is a hell of a lot worse than the TB of 100 years ago.

Is it really "worse" than 100 years ago? TB was incurable and terminal 100 years. TDR-TB is incurable and terminal.

Now, it is CRAZY MUCH worse than 10, 20, and 50 years ago.

/I know, I am being insanely pedantic.
/But evolution isnt real. bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
/Isnt TDR-TB PROOF that evolution is "real"??
/Queue the doonesbury of death



Well to be fair modern antibiotics were created using Darwin's flawed science. If creationist science were used to we could create an antibiotic that disease can't evolve an immunity for.

Well, not really but when I deal with young earth creationists I make that challenge to them.
 
2012-07-09 03:05:21 PM

Zalan: Jindal "We don't need volcano monitoring" = Volcano Explosion in Alaska
Romney "We don't need more firefighters" = Giant wildfire in Colorado
Scott "We don't need Tuberculosis treatment center" = Big Tuberculosis outbreak in Floriduh.


It does seem that God has a favorite party/candidate don't it? Perhaps the GOP should have taken the hint after the wildly improbable double implosion of the leading Democratic AND Republican candidates in the Ill Senate race that praved the way for Obama's victory
 
2012-07-09 03:05:24 PM

InfamousBLT: That's okay, these people had the CHOICE to be poor and die. This was their choice. They should have pulled themselves up by their bootstraps and stopped having so many abortions and then maybe they would have the money to pay the pharmaceuticals in order to treat their TB. This is their choice and they can die with it. I'm just glad that in America someone is finally doing something to make sure that people are FREE to have this choice.



This is absolutely what Jesus would have wanted.
 
2012-07-09 03:05:39 PM
I hope everyone who comes within earshot of Governor Scott coughs loudly.
 
2012-07-09 03:06:09 PM

thurstonxhowell: PsyLord: Not trying to defend Rick Scott, but the outbreak occurred BEFORE the state's closure of the hospital and not as a result as subby implied in the headline.

He closed the state's primary TB treatment hospital in the middle of an outbreak? You're right, you aren't trying to defend him.


The article didn't state whether he was or was not aware of the outbreak at the time. All it stated was that the CDC report was drafted after the legislature passed the bill to close the hospital.

FTA: Meanwhile the champion of the health agency consolidation, Rep. Matt Hudson, R-Naples, said he had not been informed of the Jacksonville outbreak and the CDC's role as of Friday.

Anyway, I'm just pointing out that the headline was misleading, as Fark usual.
 
2012-07-09 03:06:59 PM

hubiestubert: Aarontology: People still get TB? really?

Yeah. A bit more often than Louisiana volcanoes blowing up...


TB never went away. It has never ceased running rampant in developing nations, where the poor treatment of it or interruption of medication delivery because of instability, financial limitations, etc has caused it to become resistant at an alarming rate. The real fun is that because it is generally only affecting poor people, new medications are not being developed much because there is no money to be made. When/if it hits the States in a big way, we will be ill-prepared and plenty of people will die.

Cheers!
 
2012-07-09 03:07:10 PM
Govenor Rick meanwhile has excellent plans for the Diarrhea Ward, as soon as the Dollar Bill scanners are working. Also toilet paper will be $50/oz.


i797.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-09 03:07:35 PM

PsyLord: Not trying to defend Rick Scott, but the outbreak occurred BEFORE the state's closure of the hospital and not as a result as subby implied in the headline. Also the report from the CDC was drafted 9 days after the bill to close the hospital was signed.


Well, perhaps this is a cautionary tale about shuttering the only hospital in the state that deals with [specific deadly disease X].

As if we didn't have enough of that when Reagan slashed funding for mental healthcare...

// or as someone implied above
// THERE'S A REASON WE FUND THIS SHIAT, ASS-WAFFLE
 
2012-07-09 03:07:36 PM

PreMortem: It appears its mostly affecting black homeless men, so there ya go.




Damn, there goes my weekend plans.
 
Bf+
2012-07-09 03:08:37 PM

Zalan: Jindal "We don't need volcano monitoring" = Volcano Explosion in Alaska
Romney "We don't need more firefighters" = Giant wildfire in Colorado
Scott "We don't need Tuberculosis treatment center" = Big Tuberculosis outbreak in Floriduh.


Re-posting because this cannot be re-posted enough.
 
2012-07-09 03:08:45 PM

Diogenes: NowhereMon: Who cares, only poors get TB.

And criminals. It's a huge problem in prisons.



There went my back up. too.


Sigh...always the bridesmaid...
 
2012-07-09 03:09:04 PM

Zalan: Jindal "We don't need volcano monitoring" = Volcano Explosion in Alaska
Romney "We don't need more firefighters" = Giant wildfire in Colorado
Scott "We don't need Tuberculosis treatment center" = Big Tuberculosis outbreak in Floriduh.


Yeah, funny how that works.
 
2012-07-09 03:09:40 PM
The Dark Lord made a fortune ripping off Medicaid; bought the political office with the profits; and just gave the finger to the Feds again over Affordable Health Care. Will likely be elected to a second term by a landslide. So what's he got to lose?
 
2012-07-09 03:11:09 PM

namatad: Time to create "hospitals" for the homeless/ex-cons with TB. Typhoid Mary all over again.


Funny. Two years ago I was exploring the 'ruins' of an old TB sanitarium out here and wondering why we don't still have these kind of places.
 
2012-07-09 03:11:50 PM

Aarontology: People still get TB? really?


I had to get a TB test after traveling to a conference that had people from several 3rd-world countries. Apparently, after the conference, someone that attended was found to have it, so they had to test everyone that attended to make sure it did not spread. So yeah, it's still a threat.
 
2012-07-09 03:12:01 PM

Bontesla: NowhereMon: Diogenes: NowhereMon: Who cares, only poors get TB.

And criminals. It's a huge problem in prisons.

So the whole thing should just work itself out naturally then...

Except when physicians begin to contract it.


I said this before in the healthcare debates: go Look at the names of the people that brought decent running water and Sanitation toour major cities, and endowed numerous hospitals and clinics. If your search their histories, you'll learn, that people Like JP Morgan, Andrew Carnegie, and JP Paul Getty, were not bleeding heart liberal, but flint-eyed capitialists that did things without hesistation that would make even the Koch Brothers and the BOD of Goldman Sachs blush.

So why did they spend so much time improving public health and sanitation? Simple. Enlightened Self interest. The knew that while plagues may arise first among the sick and the weak of the underclasses, once they get going they are no respector of money or station and take the rich and poor alike without discrimination
 
2012-07-09 03:13:16 PM

SoupJohnB: The Dark Lord made a fortune ripping off Medicaid; bought the political office with the profits; and just gave the finger to the Feds again over Affordable Health Care. Will likely be elected to a second term by a landslide. So what's he got to lose?


Really? The only thing that has kept him in office is that FL doesn't have a recall process.
 
2012-07-09 03:14:04 PM

WarszawaScream: namatad: Time to create "hospitals" for the homeless/ex-cons with TB. Typhoid Mary all over again.

Funny. Two years ago I was exploring the 'ruins' of an old TB sanitarium out here and wondering why we don't still have these kind of places.


One of my prouder boasts was breaking in to the abandoned TB sanitarium in my childhood home on Halloween night and spending the night sleeping (very fitfully) on the slab in thier morgue.
 
2012-07-09 03:14:37 PM

ginandbacon: RexTalionis: Aarontology: People still get TB? really?

Not only can people still get TB, but the TB people can get now is a hell of a lot worse than the TB of 100 years ago.

Instances of TDR-TB are popping up around the world. That "TDR" means totally drug resistant - as in there are no antibiotics that would work to treat it.

The Russians have been using phages for a while now with really great results. But there's not a lot of profit in them so...


Phages? great, now it'll become a Voyager thread
 
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