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(CNN)   Was politics behind the Holder contempt vote? Does a drug runner love guns?   (politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com) divider line 176
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2012-07-09 11:08:13 AM  
Unless anyone who is outraged over it is calling for a re-evaluation on the War on Drugs, then it's entirely politics.
 
2012-07-09 11:15:47 AM  

Aarontology: Unless anyone who is outraged over it is calling for a re-evaluation on the War on Drugs, then it's entirely politics.


Exactly.
 
2012-07-09 11:22:42 AM  

Aarontology: Unless anyone who is outraged over it is calling for a re-evaluation on the War on Drugs, then it's entirely politics.


Or at least calling for looking into the idea of launching some sort of exploration of the possibility of considering whether there might, maybe, be something we could do to stop the flow of weapons into Mexico...

They's acomin fer our guns!! Whar second commendment?!!?‽‽‽
 
2012-07-09 11:53:01 AM  
Our local teatard congressperson Buerkle made the statement the other day about F&F - "Yet every time I'm home, it is the issue first and foremost on the minds of my constituents." Not the economy, not the price of gas, not jobs, not the crisis in Europe,...

And the GOP wonders why people laugh at them.
 
2012-07-09 11:56:45 AM  
Yes, they are playing politics. And, yes, Eric Witholder deserves to be held in contempt for obstructing justice. The two aren't mutually exclusive

/17 dems voted for contempt...but it's all politics, man
 
2012-07-09 11:58:16 AM  
NOBODY CARES about this except for about 25% of voters who would NEVER vote for Obama anyway. But keep it up, GOP, because people still recall 1999.
 
2012-07-09 12:02:21 PM  
Issa: Gimme your documents.
Holder: Okay, here you are.
Issa: I don't see anything here that suggests widespread or high level wrongdoing or implicates Obama. Give me, like, more documents.
Holder: No.
Issa: ZOMG CONTEMPS
 
2012-07-09 12:04:45 PM  

Quasar: Issa: Gimme your documents.
Holder: Okay, here you are.
Issa: I don't see anything here that suggests widespread or high level wrongdoing or implicates Obama. Give me, like, more documents.
Holder: No.
Issa: ZOMG CONTEMPS


Done in seven.
 
2012-07-09 12:11:32 PM  
The most significant finding in this poll is that nearly 70% disapprove of Obama's stonewalling. They say he better drop his claim of executive privilege and start answering all the questions.
 
2012-07-09 12:17:44 PM  
It was so purely partisan that 17 Democrats also voted for contempt.
 
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2012-07-09 12:20:54 PM  

SkinnyHead: The most significant finding in this poll is that nearly 70% disapprove of Obama's stonewalling. They say he better drop his claim of executive privilege and start answering all the questions.


Sure they do.
 
2012-07-09 12:55:52 PM  

BravadoGT: It was so purely partisan that 17 Democrats also voted for contempt.


Well, they wanted to try and satisfy their NRA overlords since they were scoring that vote as a gun issue...

I thought the NRA was completely against any sort of gun control... Oh, as long as they aren't going to brown people... gotcha.
 
2012-07-09 01:16:30 PM  
How many guns could a gun-runner run if a gun-runner could run guns?
 
2012-07-09 01:37:12 PM  
Hey, it's only about the President of the United States and his Attorney General trying to cover up the circumstances of the murder of a federal agent. No big deal, right?
 
2012-07-09 01:40:48 PM  
Zalan: I thought the NRA was completely against any sort of gun control... Oh, as long as they aren't going to brown people... gotcha.

So now it's racist to oppose giving American guns to Mexican drug running murderers...because they're brown! -gotcha

/Oh racecard, is there anything you can't explain away for the democrats?
//Hundreds of brown Mexicans were killed with F&F guns; where's your compassion for them, Zalan?
 
2012-07-09 01:43:01 PM  

choo: How many guns could a gun-runner run if a gun-runner could run guns?


I see you've heard of Operation Woodchuck.
 
2012-07-09 01:46:21 PM  

BillCo: Hey, it's only about the President of the United States and his Attorney General trying to cover up the circumstances of the murder of a federal agent. No big deal, right?


Please do keep farking that chicken.
 
2012-07-09 01:52:39 PM  
"I want seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks."

www1.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2012-07-09 01:53:36 PM  

BravadoGT: It was so purely partisan that 17 Democrats also voted for contempt.


Democrats are not soulless Borgs that follow a hive mind. They actually have varied opinions and sometime express them even when it goes against the party line.

And, you know, some are pandering to their red-state constituents.
 
2012-07-09 01:54:13 PM  
The article is biased because it didn't once mention that ATF operations run after he left office are the fault of George Bush.
 
2012-07-09 01:54:55 PM  
Short answer: yes.

Slightly longer answer: they had to get people talking about something other than the Supreme Court's decision to uphold ACA
 
2012-07-09 01:55:08 PM  
Wow, CNN, that is some damn fine journalismizing, asking the question only a few years after Mr. Viper's declaration of Obama's crookedness being just barely short of, "Well, just look at him, you know he's guilty!"

Say, how's that Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare coming?
 
2012-07-09 01:56:45 PM  
Let's ask Brian Terry if this vote was politically motivated? Oh wait, we can't. He seems unavailable for comment at this or any other time.

Of course it was politically motivated to some extent but as Eric Holder is essentially responsible for helping drug cartels murder hundreds of people.

Zalan: I thought the NRA was completely against any sort of gun control... Oh, as long as they aren't going to brown people... gotcha.


Um... oh crap this looks bad... Wait, I've got it... I'll cry racism! That's a sure fire way to not actually have to make a counter argument. I just call people racists and um... then they have to defend themselves against my false accusations... and I can just not address the issue. Works so well for defending Obama, if I just stretch it a little...
 
2012-07-09 01:56:46 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Democrats are not soulless Borgs that follow a hive mind. They actually have varied opinions and sometime express them even when it goes against the party line.

And, you know, some are pandering to their red-state constituents.


The ones who can be just as easily bought off as the GOP are often called "Blue dogs." See Bayh, Evan for an example.
 
2012-07-09 01:57:05 PM  
A majority of Democrats agree that an investigation of a Democrat is partisan. Fine reporting there Lou.
 
2012-07-09 01:58:47 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "I want seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks."

[www1.pictures.zimbio.com image 640x372]


That, right there, is more than enough reason to question ANYTHING these scumbags try to pull. Their one and only goal is to get the Democratic President out of office, and they'll do whatever it takes, consequences to the country be damned.

Republicans have cried wolf one too many times. Anyone who takes any claim they make without a whole farking salt lick is deluded.
 
2012-07-09 01:59:09 PM  
So when do they explain that who they were selling guns to were actually undercover FBI agents, and the papers weren't given because they didn't want to blow their cover? You know... the investigation into the investigation.

Nothing like holding someone in contempt for wanting to stop MORE of your men getting killed, amirite?

This whole thing is sad on multiple fronts. Two federal agencies butting heads doing the same investigation and not knowing about it. Also, the season finale of Sons of Anarchy called this months ago.

/Danny Trejo works for the FBI...
 
2012-07-09 02:00:52 PM  

Dinki: Our local teatard congressperson Buerkle made the statement the other day about F&F - "Yet every time I'm home, it is the issue first and foremost on the minds of my constituents." Not the economy, not the price of gas, not jobs, not the crisis in Europe,...

And the GOP wonders why people laugh at them.


He could well be right, in that most of the teabagging malcontents who like to whine at government officials would have their underwear in a twist over F&F.
 
2012-07-09 02:01:50 PM  
1.Yes 2.Maybe
 
2012-07-09 02:03:22 PM  
I'm sure Darrell Issa had no problems when Bush was claiming executive privilege. Or Cheney. or Bush again. And again...
 
2012-07-09 02:06:17 PM  

BillCo: Hey, it's only about the President of the United States and his Attorney General trying to cover up the circumstances of the murder of a federal agent. No big deal, right?


You sound tired Bill.
 
2012-07-09 02:06:41 PM  

Great_Milenko: Dinki: Our local teatard congressperson Buerkle made the statement the other day about F&F - "Yet every time I'm home, it is the issue first and foremost on the minds of my constituents." Not the economy, not the price of gas, not jobs, not the crisis in Europe,...

And the GOP wonders why people laugh at them.

He could well be right, in that most of the teabagging malcontents who like to whine at government officials would have their underwear in a twist over F&F.


The amusing thing to me about F&F is that the right is now extremely concerned about federal tracking of gun buyers, and seem to be wondering why laws in this area are kinda lax and hard to enforce.
 
2012-07-09 02:07:17 PM  

quiotu: So when do they explain that who they were selling guns to were actually undercover FBI agents, and the papers weren't given because they didn't want to blow their cover? You know... the investigation into the investigation.


And when does it make MSM LSM Democrat-run Palace Guard Obamedia Full of LiberalsTM that AZ's own state's attorney didn't want to prosecute the suspected gunwalkers found by AZ gun dealers?

And neither does the NRA. Or the GOP in Congress. Unless they can make a Democrat look bad - then, they'll ban guns, magazines, sights, ammo, grips, clips, black powder and pointy sticks.
 
2012-07-09 02:08:36 PM  

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: "I want seven hearings a week, times 40 weeks."

[www1.pictures.zimbio.com image 640x372]


That picture always makes me laugh. Issa's posture, the lighting, the way his suit contrasts with what everyone else is wearing, the reporters huddled around him - it looks like a promotional photo for a musical about politics. And yes, Issa plays the rather cartoonish villain of the piece.
 
2012-07-09 02:08:45 PM  

bronyaur1: BillCo: Hey, it's only about the President of the United States and his Attorney General trying to cover up the circumstances of the murder of a federal agent. No big deal, right?

Please do keep farking that chicken.


Bill does love chicken.

/he loves it in the biblical sense.
//old Herpstament
 
2012-07-09 02:09:40 PM  
I don't even know if it was about politics, it could have just been a way to save Issa from embarrassment.

The guy declared Obama as corrupt before he even investigated anything, so he had to push this thing HARD. It's all he has.
 
2012-07-09 02:12:01 PM  

randomjsa: Let's ask Brian Terry if this vote was politically motivated? Oh wait, we can't. He seems unavailable for comment at this or any other time.

Of course it was politically motivated to some extent but as Eric Holder is essentially responsible for helping drug cartels murder hundreds of people.


You sure you wanna go with this? That providing access to weapons makes one "essentially responsible" for the murder of anyone killed by those weapons?

I mean, I don't agree with it, as I'm a "guns don't kill people" sort of guy, but to each his own. Maybe you should contact the local branch of the Brady Campaign and see if you can help pass out materials. I think you'd get along these days.
 
2012-07-09 02:12:22 PM  

BillCo: Hey, it's only about the President of the United States and his Attorney General trying to cover up the circumstances of the murder of a federal agent. No big deal, right?


The Obama Administration did less to endanger Agt. Terry's life than the Bush Administration did to endanger Valerie Plame.
 
2012-07-09 02:13:45 PM  

randomjsa: Of course it was politically motivated to some extent but as Eric Holder is essentially responsible for helping drug cartels murder hundreds of people.


It would be more accurate to say the NRA is essentially responsible for helping drug cartels murder hundreds of people. The F&F actual operation didn't let anyone take anything, they just didn't have a legal leg to stand on to prevent it because they gun runners weren't committing a crime when they were traceable by the ATF, whose resources are negligible in the first place, both of which are largely due to NRA efforts to prevent gun control laws and weaken the enforcement of them.
 
2012-07-09 02:14:24 PM  

quiotu: Two federal agencies butting heads doing the same investigation and not knowing about it.


They were doing very different investigations. The F&F people didn't really know who the higher up targets were - figuring that out was the point.

Also, I have no idea why people seem to think that the FBI just handing out names of their informants is acceptable. Do people think there's an open FBI informant database somewhere? Just google an area and it'll tell you where all the informants are and their names?
 
2012-07-09 02:14:40 PM  

bronyaur1: BillCo: Hey, it's only about the President of the United States and his Attorney General trying to cover up the circumstances of the murder of a federal agent. No big deal, right?

Please do keep farking that chicken.


That poor, poor chicken.
 
2012-07-09 02:15:13 PM  

EyeballKid: Wow, CNN, that is some damn fine journalismizing, asking the question only a few years after Mr. Viper's declaration of Obama's crookedness being just barely short of, "Well, just look at him, you know he's guilty!"

Say, how's that Supreme Court ruling on Obamacare coming?


My favorite part is how they didn't actually look at the facts of the case, just did a survey on people's opinions.

JOURNALISM!!!!!
 
2012-07-09 02:15:42 PM  
Of course not. Republicans are just very concerned with justice. They revere justice above all things.
 
2012-07-09 02:15:48 PM  

Il Douchey: Yes, they are playing politics. And, yes, Eric Witholder deserves to be held in contempt for obstructing justice. The two aren't mutually exclusive

/17 dems voted for contempt...but it's all politics, man


It was entirely politics, particularly for the 17 Dems that voted for contempt. Look at what districts they represent. Now see what influence the NRA has in those districts.

Ta da!
 
2012-07-09 02:18:01 PM  

Il Douchey: Zalan: I thought the NRA was completely against any sort of gun control... Oh, as long as they aren't going to brown people... gotcha.

So now it's racist to oppose giving American guns to Mexican drug running murderers...because they're brown! -gotcha

/Oh racecard, is there anything you can't explain away for the democrats?
//Hundreds of brown Mexicans were killed with F&F guns; where's your compassion for them, Zalan?


Do you read any NRA literature? They aren't against F&F because guns ended up in the hands of Mexican cartels. They oppose it because they thought it was the first step in attempting to limit the sales of guns.
 
2012-07-09 02:20:10 PM  
Wow, you mean there still some folks out there defending Hodler?
 
2012-07-09 02:20:10 PM  

BeesNuts: You sure you wanna go with this? That providing access to weapons makes one "essentially responsible" for the murder of anyone killed by those weapons?


I wonder how many murders Reagan is 'essentially responsible' for with his South American policies.

Neeek: It would be more accurate to say the NRA is essentially responsible for helping drug cartels murder hundreds of people. The F&F actual operation didn't let anyone take anything, they just didn't have a legal leg to stand on to prevent it because they gun runners weren't committing a crime when they were traceable by the ATF, whose resources are negligible in the first place, both of which are largely due to NRA efforts to prevent gun control laws and weaken the enforcement of them.


Yup. To arrest a straw buyer in Arizona, you need to explicitly show intent at time of purchase. If they buy a hundred guns for themselves and halfway through the parking lot decide to sell them, that's not a straw purchase. A totally broke individual buying a $50k gun is not a straw purchase by default. Etc., etc.

The AG's wanted to err on the side of caution to not set the precedent that 'buying lots of guns' (or 'buying guns outside your price range') alone was allowable basis to arrest people.
 
2012-07-09 02:23:31 PM  

Bontesla: Quasar: Issa: Gimme your documents.
Holder: Okay, here you are.
Issa: I don't see anything here that suggests widespread or high level wrongdoing or implicates Obama. Give me, like, more documents.
Holder: No.
Issa: ZOMG CONTEMPS

Done in seven.


Hmm.

Except the 12,000 documents Holder refuses to hand over.
 
2012-07-09 02:23:53 PM  
BBBUt BUSH!!!!

//amidoinitright?
 
2012-07-09 02:24:44 PM  

TIKIMAN87: Bontesla: Quasar: Issa: Gimme your documents.
Holder: Okay, here you are.
Issa: I don't see anything here that suggests widespread or high level wrongdoing or implicates Obama. Give me, like, more documents.
Holder: No.
Issa: ZOMG CONTEMPS

Done in seven.

Hmm.

Except the 12,000 documents Holder refuses to hand over.


There totally is a wolf this time, guys!
 
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