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(New York Daily News)   The five worst landlords of NYC and a peek at the apartments they oversee. Come for the cockroaches, stay for the rats skittering in the walls   (nydailynews.com) divider line 73
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2012-07-09 01:29:36 PM  
5 votes:

SultanofSchwing: Lazy ass tenants.


You are aware that it's the LANDLORD's responsibility to maintain their rental properties, not the tenant, right? That's why you pay rent.
2012-07-09 01:58:53 PM  
4 votes:

trekkiecougar: Yes landlords are to maintain the buildings but damn people, have some pride on where you live! Heaven forbid some of these folks ever become homeowners! Their houses would completely fall apart! Even if you don't own where you live you have a responsibility to keep it in a good, clean living condition.


None of those pictures showed a 'dirty' apartment. They showed water damage and cracked walls but the surfaces were all clean and the floor was swept. The problems shown in the pictures I looked at showed a shiatty landlord not a shiatty tenant.

I know that it's hard for some farkers to get past her skin tone but really imagine it was an attractive white woman in those photos. Fark would be foaming at the mouth for justice against the landlord.

/I'm not accusing you of racism personally just this thread in general
2012-07-09 01:42:04 PM  
4 votes:

SultanofSchwing: Sin_City_Superhero: SultanofSchwing: Lazy ass tenants.

You are aware that it's the LANDLORD's responsibility to maintain their rental properties, not the tenant, right? That's why you pay rent.

When I paid rent before owning a home, if I wanted something done, I just did it. Paint, no problem. Dig up the yard and put a retaining wall in, no problem. If it was something major or to do with the integrity of the home (ie. not cosmetic), I had it fixed and billed it to the landlord and we never had any problems. If you've resigned yourself to living in squalor because you're: A) too damned lazy B) waiting for someone else to do it C) both, then who's fault is it?


The landlord. Every time.
2012-07-09 05:01:15 PM  
3 votes:
To everyone arguing about laziness and cleanliness: yes. You're right about slum apartments often having slobs for tenants. And often, this is the reason for the problems. However, in the picture of the kitchen with the lady standing in it, this is what I see: I see an old, scratched- up range with the handle to the oven door missing. Where the handle used to be, it's scratched/ rusty. This isn't her fault, or her responsibility. The stove top is spotless- if this were a lazy slob, I guarantee there would be baked- on spilled food all over it. It's universal. Then, I see a clean wood floor that needs refinished. Again, not something she could fix, aside from cleaning it, which she does. I see clean walls with water damage- this requires structural repair to fix. Again, not her problem. I see 2 clean wall cabinets above the stove. Being above the stove, they would likely be spattered with grease if she were a slob. Then, I see kitchen implements stored on the counter- not unexpected given the really sparse storage space there. Finally, I see a base cabinet with an unfinished wood door. This has stains on it- could be water damage, could be cooking oil, could be anything. Whatever. It's unfinished wood- you spill anything on it, it will soak in and nothing short of sandpaper will clean it off. Again- not her fault the landlord is too farking cheap to put a coat of poly on the cabinet door when he changed it. The only evidence of laziness here is the landlord's. Look, this guy is considered the worst landlord in NYC. You DON'T get there on slob tenants alone. I'm sure he has a lot of them, but this ain't one of them. You get there by constantly failing code inspections and tons of documented complaints. Quit trying to excuse this douchebag- there IS no excuse.
2012-07-09 02:35:25 PM  
3 votes:

Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: HotWingConspiracy: Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: It looks nasty, not because the Landlord didn't maintain it, but because the tenants haven't cleaned it!

The roof leaks because she didn't bleach the cupboards? Run with that.

No, that's clearly a Landlord issue but the mystery shiat on the cupboards? Rather than say, "fark it. My Landlord's a piece of shiat and the roof leaks so I ain't gonna do shiat." she should get out some Mr. Clean and get to work.


What makes you think that isn't staining from water damage? No amount of cleaning fixes that.
2012-07-09 02:35:13 PM  
3 votes:

GoodOmens: A) Tough to make expensive upgrades to the building


These are large scale slumlords we're talking about, they have cash flows that many business owners would envy. They're plenty capable of fixing up the places. And if they're not, then they shouldn't own such properties.

Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: They come with the bare bones electrical coil stove and stock oak cabinets.


Around here it's always gas stoves. Also, those stains on the cabinet look like they might be from dripping from the ceiling. And a clean floor almost always equals a clean house. And the level of rent is no excuse for poor upkeep by the landlord.
2012-07-09 02:13:33 PM  
3 votes:

Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: but because the tenants haven't cleaned it!


The floor looks perfectly clean, the stove is rusty and there's who knows what kind of staining on the cabinets next to it. And both the stove and cabinets are probably older than I am. Even if they were clean and rust free, the stove would be past it's replacement date and the cabinets look well a bit dated. And in neither case can you blame either on the woman in the picture, since given the cleanliness of the floor she does try to keep the place clean.
2012-07-09 01:44:48 PM  
3 votes:

SultanofSchwing: Sin_City_Superhero: SultanofSchwing: Lazy ass tenants.

You are aware that it's the LANDLORD's responsibility to maintain their rental properties, not the tenant, right? That's why you pay rent.

When I paid rent before owning a home, if I wanted something done, I just did it. Paint, no problem. Dig up the yard and put a retaining wall in, no problem. If it was something major or to do with the integrity of the home (ie. not cosmetic), I had it fixed and billed it to the landlord and we never had any problems. If you've resigned yourself to living in squalor because you're: A) too damned lazy B) waiting for someone else to do it C) both, then who's fault is it? I'm not suggesting the landlord isn't a piece of shiat, because he is. But the tenants are waiting for something to happen that won't and are doing nothing about it on their own except for biatching and moaning. Two options, sue the landlord, or move. But both require effort so good luck with that happening. shiat landlords beget shiat tenants.


So...because the landlord is making a profit off of them, he/she is allowed to keep that margin high by implicitly asking that they do the work in maintaining the building he owns for him?

Doesn't work like that. I rent, too, and I help with keeping up the place (painting, mowing, minor repairs), but if the toilet is spewing water on the floor, or if the A/C compressor blows, it isn't MY responsibility to put out the money and effort to repair those big ticket things. It's his.

/big tickets things are stuff like the roof collapsing, rat infestations
//no one in the article is complaining about paint peeling
///they are complaining about potentially dangerous conditions
2012-07-09 01:39:55 PM  
3 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: SultanofSchwing: Lazy ass tenants.

You are aware that it's the LANDLORD's responsibility to maintain their rental properties, not the tenant, right? That's why you pay rent.


When I paid rent before owning a home, if I wanted something done, I just did it. Paint, no problem. Dig up the yard and put a retaining wall in, no problem. If it was something major or to do with the integrity of the home (ie. not cosmetic), I had it fixed and billed it to the landlord and we never had any problems. If you've resigned yourself to living in squalor because you're: A) too damned lazy B) waiting for someone else to do it C) both, then who's fault is it? I'm not suggesting the landlord isn't a piece of shiat, because he is. But the tenants are waiting for something to happen that won't and are doing nothing about it on their own except for biatching and moaning. Two options, sue the landlord, or move. But both require effort so good luck with that happening. shiat landlords beget shiat tenants.
2012-07-09 01:37:35 PM  
3 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: You are aware that it's the LANDLORD's responsibility to maintain their rental properties, not the tenant, right? That's why you pay rent.


Exactly.

An exception would be if the tenant or one or more of their guests deliberately caused the damage themselves.

However, fixing leaking faucets, removing mold caused by those leaks, pest control (rats, cockroaches, etc.), ensuring that rental units have working smoke alarms, removing lead based paint, etc. are all the responsibility of the landlord.
2012-07-09 01:33:56 PM  
3 votes:

Biness: BFD

don't like it? move.


Or, as an alternative, sue the landlord. He's in violation. You people are farking push overs and the reason that slum lords exist.
2012-07-09 01:33:45 PM  
3 votes:
If you have rats in the walls, be very careful what you name your black cat. Someone telling your life story could inadvertently break the flow of the story's narrative every time the cat is mentioned.

/Also, your ancestors are some seriously sick farkers
//I feel very geeky that this is the first thing I thought of
2012-07-09 01:15:06 PM  
3 votes:
So...move?
2012-07-09 03:40:31 PM  
2 votes:
Golly there's a lot of bootstraps up in here! One size fits all. The assumption that we all come from the same starting point and all get the same opportunities in life is both hilarious and horrifying.

As for the, "if you don't like it, move" bullshiat, I suspect it's coming from some big strong white folks who have never been told "the apartment's already taken" or "sorry no vacancy/kids/pets/single moms/gays/brown people". There are so many reasons why people can't just 'pick up and move' and assuming laziness is the number one on the list is disgusting.
2012-07-09 02:33:23 PM  
2 votes:

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No more shiatty walls.

Lazy ass tenants.


But the owner of the building, whose responsibility it actually is to fix the ceilings and walls, they get a pass, eh? Not lazy or irresponsible on their part, amiright?

Fix the shiat you are responsible for or I take you to court, how's that instead?
2012-07-09 02:28:17 PM  
2 votes:

Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: A clean floor does not equal a clean house.


And a dirty cabinet does not equal a dirty house. Assumptions are being made both ways here.
2012-07-09 02:15:58 PM  
2 votes:

Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: It looks nasty, not because the Landlord didn't maintain it, but because the tenants haven't cleaned it!


The roof leaks because she didn't bleach the cupboards? Run with that.
2012-07-09 02:08:23 PM  
2 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: SultanofSchwing: Lazy ass tenants.

You are aware that it's the LANDLORD's responsibility to maintain their rental properties, not the tenant, right? That's why you pay rent.


Judging by what I can see in this photo:
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It looks nasty, not because the Landlord didn't maintain it, but because the tenants haven't cleaned it! Yes, Landlord's are responsible for making repairs and upgrades to apartments and common areas as necessary, but they aren't responsible for general cleanliness and upkeep of the apartments. If you don't clean your kitchen and let food accumulate, it will look like shiat and you will get rats or roaches. If you spill shiat on your carpet and don't clean it up, your carpet will be stained and eventually smell or rot. Neither of which are the Landlords fault. Same goes for trash and shiat in the stairwells and common areas. If tenants wouldn't treat those areas like dumpsters or trash cans, they probably wouldn't look half as bad.

I lived in a pretty ghetto apartment complex in Washington, D.C when I was fresh out of college but my building was the nicest of them all. Why? Because we, as tennants, gave a shiat about our apartments and the common areas. We cleaned our apartments regularly, didn't shiatup the lobby or laundry room and took some personal responsibility about our living conditions. I will admit though that while tennant's being clean and giving a crap is a HUGE help, it doesn't help a Landlord who doesn't fix broken shiat or who doesn't upgrade the appliances more than once a decade. Still...it wouldn't kill the woman in the photo above to grab some Mr. Clean and clean the goo off her cabinets.
2012-07-09 02:00:22 PM  
2 votes:
Idiots in this thread who think paint fixes structural damage from decades of neglect.
Smells like white privilege in here.
Try leaving pasty white buttfark Iowa for a while and seeing how things work in an actual city. Be careful -- you might get shot!! By a negro!!!
LMFAO
2012-07-09 01:51:12 PM  
2 votes:

SultanofSchwing: Sin_City_Superhero: SultanofSchwing: Lazy ass tenants.

You are aware that it's the LANDLORD's responsibility to maintain their rental properties, not the tenant, right? That's why you pay rent.

When I paid rent before owning a home, if I wanted something done, I just did it. Paint, no problem. Dig up the yard and put a retaining wall in, no problem. If it was something major or to do with the integrity of the home (ie. not cosmetic), I had it fixed and billed it to the landlord and we never had any problems. If you've resigned yourself to living in squalor because you're: A) too damned lazy B) waiting for someone else to do it C) both, then who's fault is it? I'm not suggesting the landlord isn't a piece of shiat, because he is. But the tenants are waiting for something to happen that won't and are doing nothing about it on their own except for biatching and moaning. Two options, sue the landlord, or move. But both require effort so good luck with that happening. shiat landlords beget shiat tenants.


I am sure the Landlords in TFA would pay such a bill once received....

Also, senior citizens with health problem should be totally undertake renovation work.....

You are either a troll or an idiot. Possibly both.
2012-07-09 01:34:04 PM  
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: SultanofSchwing: [i.imgur.com image 350x363]
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No more shiatty walls.

Lazy ass tenants.

That will fix a roof leak, eh?


Not to mention, I missed when it became the tenants responsibility to fix problems.
2012-07-09 01:28:57 PM  
2 votes:
"All right, here we are. There's only one bathroom on this floor, so you're going to have to share it. We got a bit of an insect problem, but you boys from Africa are used to that. And another thing, don't use the elevator. It's a death trap. This is the place I was telling you about. It's real farked up. Got just one window facing a brick wall. Used to rent it to a blind man... damn shame what they did to that dog."
2012-07-10 12:48:25 PM  
1 votes:
Some landlords are just dumbasses.

My last one:
-Hired his drinking buddy as a contractor
-Promised to make a bunch of repairs that never happened or took months
-2x waited a month to fix a leaking ceiling. (Lots of "plumber is coming today" and never showed up)
-Tried to scam us into making a security deposit (illegal in Ontario)
-Tried to charge us $300 for floors that were never finished, we fixed them up for $100

Stuff I have learned:
-Photograph everything right before you move, upload to picasa or something
-Get everything in writing and make timestamped copies always say "send me an e-mail/letter"
-Read the tentant board guidelines

The problem with these places is that they prey on the functionally illiterate, immigrants (legal and not), and poor who don't have direct access to the internet, making it harder for them to do research and know their rights.

A neighborhood near my work used to be slums but now is gentrifying thanks to a community group.
2012-07-10 08:49:52 AM  
1 votes:

rugman11: dumbobruni: I like how all of a sudden rent control/stabilization automatically means that landlords can flout housing and safety laws. i had a rent stabilized apartment before, and I didn't have any of these problems. I guess my landlord never got the memo.

This isn't particularly new. New York's rent control laws are usually discussed in Econ 101 when the subject of price controls arises. When owners are prevented from pricing their apartments at market value, they're going to restrict their expenditures as much as possible. In part, it's out of a desire to keep their profits up, and it's also out of the hope tenants will leave so they can convert to non-rent controlled property. Some of these units are rented for 60% below market rates, which can make it difficult for owners to pay their tax bills let alone profit off the units.



the landlord isn't even doing the legal mininum, and he knew what he was getting into when buying these buildings.

for the record, the current landlord bought the buildings in 2007 (that's from PropertyShark). since 1973 apartments don't enter stabilization/control after the building was constructed. no one put a gun to his head and told him he had to buy 3 rent stabilized buildings for $3.6 million each.

landlord paid too much, and his tenants are suffering. but let's give the landlord all of our sympathy.
2012-07-09 11:37:46 PM  
1 votes:
Just move? I'm guessing that if they could they would. They probably can't just move. And there's nothing really dirty about that woman's kitchen, just rusted appliances, warped walls, and damaged cabinets - all of which are the landlord's responsibility. The one time I rented an apartment it was made clear in the lease (in big, bold font) that I was to make no changes, structural or cosmetic, to the apartment at any time for any reason. I would imagine that is fairly standard in rental agreements.
2012-07-09 11:06:25 PM  
1 votes:

oldsbone: 1. Stop paying rent to the landlord until it's fixed. They pay rent into an escrow account and the landlord gets the money after the problem is fixed.


It needs to be emphasized that you MUST put the rent money into an escrow account to cover your legal backside. If you end up in court over this, having the money in your personal checking account will be frowned upon by the judge.

/do not take this as actual legal advice
//consult an attorney
///if erection lasts for more than four hours, see a doctor
2012-07-09 10:49:13 PM  
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: TommyymmoT: Paint on public transit? Why would they bother?

There are 6 hardware stores within 4 blocks of that building, not to mention numerous variety stores, department stores, and discount places.

From 169th and College, it's actually a longer walk to the subway than it is to these stores.
Cities are like that.

Even then, as someone so aptly said earlier in the thread, painting damp walls won't achieve anything. It most certainly won't fix the leaks in the ceiling nor get rid of the rats and roaches. At best it's a bandaid. Even if the walls weren't damp, painting over lead-based paint doesn't get rid of it, just covers it up. It's still there and needs to be removed before applying new paint.

And if these landlords are anything like mine, doing things like painting your apartment might be grounds for eviction.


Actually, complete lead abatement is best, but it's not like it's radioactive. It can be painted over.
Most cities have ordinances to to get rid of it completely so that the problem doesn't come up again though.
Lead paint is only a problem if you ingest it one way or the other.

You wanna know the only real solution to the rat and bug problem? Knock it,and all the buildings connected to it down, because when buildings are connected, when you chase them out of one building, they just run into the other.
The only way to get rid of all of the pests, would be to treat the entire square block simultaneously, and that's never going to happen.

The reality here, is that the landlord would just as soon see the building condemned, and emptied out to make way for gentrification.
The same thing happened in Manhattan years ago.

Landlords wanted the tenants out, because rent controlled apartments aren't allowing them to even break even.
The same filthy ghettos downtown that were fetching $300-$500 per month downtown (some of the rents hadn't been raised in decades) are fetching $2,000 - $5,000 after gentrification.
A 3 bedroom condo can go for $1 million easy.

He doesn't even want their money. He wants the 40 or 50 million he's going to make if he can get them to leave.

Over the years there have been scads of movies about it, but in real life, the landlord is not Joe Pesci, and there isn't going to be a happy ending.
Bottom line is if you want rent that cheap, then you're on your own.
It's like being semi-homeless.
2012-07-09 10:16:38 PM  
1 votes:
As a landlord in South Baltimore, I'm a bit understanding about the roaches. I am taking care of a roach issue in an apartment where the floor hasn't been cleaned for two years and the trash isn't taken out regularly. Hard to keep pests away under those conditions, and you can't apply poison indiscriminately if there are children around. It only takes a minority of tenants like that in an apartment building to provide shelter for a whole building of roaches.

Having said that, some of these repairs and the length of time they mention are absolutely inexcusable. There have to be more serious penalties for landlords who systematically abuse the process.

In Maryland, if you are a tenant and refuse to pay rent due to the landlord's not making repairs, you can still be required to go to rent court. You still have to pay rent, but until the repairs are taken care of, your rent goes into an escrow account. The rent will be released to the landlord when the city inspects the property and determines the repairs have been made.

Good system -- also helps deter renters who try to game the system by taking every minor code violation to court. I've never gone through the escrow process, but my girlfriend got rid of a tenant who tried to abuse the process this way -- she made the repairs, but the tenant never paid and was evicted.
2012-07-09 09:38:27 PM  
1 votes:

TommyymmoT: Paint on public transit? Why would they bother?

There are 6 hardware stores within 4 blocks of that building, not to mention numerous variety stores, department stores, and discount places.

From 169th and College, it's actually a longer walk to the subway than it is to these stores.
Cities are like that.


Even then, as someone so aptly said earlier in the thread, painting damp walls won't achieve anything. It most certainly won't fix the leaks in the ceiling nor get rid of the rats and roaches. At best it's a bandaid. Even if the walls weren't damp, painting over lead-based paint doesn't get rid of it, just covers it up. It's still there and needs to be removed before applying new paint.

And if these landlords are anything like mine, doing things like painting your apartment might be grounds for eviction.
2012-07-09 09:00:06 PM  
1 votes:
Look, this isn't terribly complicated. New York City has over 10 million people. When you're talking about a sample size that large, sooner or later you're going to run across a landlord or two who wants to do nothing but collect checks, pay the absolute minimum the government tells him he has to pay, then spend the rest in Tahiti. Factor in that a lot of NYC's housing stock was haphazardly built when it was thrown together during the Roosevelt administration (the cool one, not the cripple) and has aged about as well as you would expect 100 year old buildings built by the lowest bidders of the era to age and you have a wonderful recipe for disaster. Sprinkle in some rent control policies to keep people from moving no matter how bad it gets, various municipal zoning and contractor boards to jump through if you want to do meaningful modifications or improvements, and a well-deserved culture of contempt between landlords and tenants in some of those neighborhoods and stuff like this will most certainly happen.

There are a number of ways to solve this, of course. Suing the pants off of the most negligent landlords would be a good start. Phasing out rent controls would be another. Both would require facing off against some well-entrenched groups of voters that have generations of practice currying favor with the powers-that-be in that city, so neither is going to happen quickly. We're only a couple of generations into cleaning up the messes that led to the "Bronx is burning" era, after all. What's needed is a culture adjustment, and cultures don't change quickly.

It's easy to say that the tenants are unclean or whatever, especially when you're sitting in a newer, smaller apartment complex in a moderately populated suburb. However, when you're talking about apartments of this age and of this size, you're telling current tenants that it's their responsibility to overcome and fix issues caused both by neighbors they've never seen (i.e. the bad tenant on the 12th floor, whose rats are now infesting floors 4-28) or by neighbors that moved out and died generations ago. That's not exactly fair, especially since it's not their building to begin with.

There's a reason a lot of Americans chose to move to the suburbs - and still do. Sure, it's not as fashionable or energetic as the older, denser cities, but you also don't have half of the headaches that come with living in a densely populated area contending with the consequences of several generations of decisions.
2012-07-09 08:18:21 PM  
1 votes:

dumbobruni: I like how all of a sudden rent control/stabilization automatically means that landlords can flout housing and safety laws. i had a rent stabilized apartment before, and I didn't have any of these problems. I guess my landlord never got the memo.


This isn't particularly new. New York's rent control laws are usually discussed in Econ 101 when the subject of price controls arises. When owners are prevented from pricing their apartments at market value, they're going to restrict their expenditures as much as possible. In part, it's out of a desire to keep their profits up, and it's also out of the hope tenants will leave so they can convert to non-rent controlled property. Some of these units are rented for 60% below market rates, which can make it difficult for owners to pay their tax bills let alone profit off the units.

There's a good reason why the landlord should fix the leaky roof: if it caves in and kills/injures someone, he will be sued into oblivion by the victims and/or their families. and rightfully so. he's already at risk for a lawsuit with the toxic mold problem.


Actually, the building would be owned by an LLC, meaning any lawsuit would go after the building itself meaning, at worst, the owner would be out a crappy building that's not making them much profit.


and for people criticizing these people for not fixing the problems themselves: renters laws in NYC are fun. While many protections do exist for tenants, there are many ways that landlords can screw tenants over. most apartments have clauses in them where the tenants are NOT allowed to modify their apartments, including painting. if they do, they are liable for the changes when they leave. if someone paints or installs a new kitchen cabinet, the tenant risks a portion or all of the deposit.

That's pretty much universal. I can paint my apartment, but I'm required to paint it back or I'll be charged for it. I'll have to ask my landlord about the extra shelves I installed in the pantry closet, but I doubt they'll have a problem with it and, if they do, I'll just take them out. No big deal.
2012-07-09 08:02:18 PM  
1 votes:

fredklein: whizbangthedirtfarmer: There was actually a situation like this locally--the slum lord had spent the last several years doing NOTHING to upkeep the apartments, which were rent-assisted, and eventually they called in the media. Exposed wiring, plumbing that didn't work, and so on

How did that wiring get exposed? What happened to the plumbing? Lack of "upkeep" doesn't expose wiring or clog pipes.


It wasn't clogged pipes. It was stuff like "this toilet is so old and has never been maintained, it just cracked open and all we can do is shut off the water to keep it from leaking all over the place" stuff. But that's not the landlord's fault, nope. Same thing with the wiring. Over time, stuff happens. When it isn't fixed by the person WHO OWNS the property, that stuff becomes more and more severe. Why is this hard to understand?
2012-07-09 07:57:42 PM  
1 votes:
I've seen much worse than that while apartment-hunting. I visited one building, run by a notorious slum-lord type as I learned later, which had cockroaches by the score crawling around on the floor and walls of the kitchen area DURING THE VISIT, in full daylight. They say that there is from 12 to 1,000 cockroaches for every one you see. I assume that this building must have had millions of them.

And the odd thing is that the clean decent places don't cost a cent more or less than the filthy slum buildings. This place was charging at least the same rent as every other place with apartments of the same size. The people who lived there didn't have much choice--vacancy rates are low. It was the landlord and only the landlord who made the difference--he would allow this situation where others who charged the same rents for apartments didn't. He was constantly in court or before the rental tribunal. True, only filthy people or those who couldn't move would remain in such a place if they could move. But not everybody CAN move. Many are too poor to go apartment hopping. Welfare is paying their rent and they stay put.

Most people on welfare are not filthy by nature and most don't stay on welfare for more than a few months, a year max. Most people on welfare are the same people as the virtuous working poor that conservatives and liberals love so much and court for their votes some times. Presumably both clean and filthy buildings have a share of people on welfare at any given time. Even some of the more luxurious middle class buildings may have a couple of tenants on welfare because of job-loss, divorce (a common cause of poverty among women and children, of increased income among men who hide their income from their wives, etc.).

But the landlord is responsible for fighting infestations. No apartment dweller can clean up the whole building. Perhaps one really filthy or handicapped or stupid tenant can fark up a whole building by bringing in cockroaches or bedbugs or what not and providing them with the necessities of life and reproduction, but the solution has to be applied building wide, and possibly even street by street or neighbourhood wide if the problem is rats or something that moves easily between buildings on pipes and through holes in walls, etc.

The building rises and falls as one. Bad tenants and bad landlords work hand in hand to ruin a building, and good tenants and good landlords work together to maintain and improve one.
2012-07-09 07:55:00 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: but because the tenants haven't cleaned it!

The floor looks perfectly clean, the stove is rusty and there's who knows what kind of staining on the cabinets next to it. And both the stove and cabinets are probably older than I am. Even if they were clean and rust free, the stove would be past it's replacement date and the cabinets look well a bit dated. And in neither case can you blame either on the woman in the picture, since given the cleanliness of the floor she does try to keep the place clean.


She does regular cleaning. I can tell because if she didn't, the tile would be greasy from cooking, there would be debris between the stove and the floor, and there would be crud on the floor. I can't see anything cleaning-related in the pic other than some dirty dishes.
2012-07-09 07:48:51 PM  
1 votes:
I like how all of a sudden rent control/stabilization automatically means that landlords can flout housing and safety laws. i had a rent stabilized apartment before, and I didn't have any of these problems. I guess my landlord never got the memo.

here's a good reason why the landlord should fix the leaky roof: if it caves in and kills/injures someone, he will be sued into oblivion by the victims and/or their families. and rightfully so. he's already at risk for a lawsuit with the toxic mold problem.

as for this particular tenant that the resident poor haters/racists (take your pick here) are bashing, the floors in her kitchen are in good shape. except for the rust on the oven, that kitchen is clean.

and for people criticizing these people for not fixing the problems themselves: renters laws in NYC are fun. While many protections do exist for tenants, there are many ways that landlords can screw tenants over. most apartments have clauses in them where the tenants are NOT allowed to modify their apartments, including painting. if they do, they are liable for the changes when they leave. if someone paints or installs a new kitchen cabinet, the tenant risks a portion or all of the deposit.
2012-07-09 07:45:15 PM  
1 votes:

Liz Lemon: poot_rootbeer: You know why the landlord doesn't bother fixing those conditions? Because the people who live there still send them checks every month.

Stop paying rent. Spend that money on hiring an exterminator, a handyman, whomever you need to come in and fix shiat so that the place you live isn't actively shortening your life anymore.

Given the tenants' rights laws in NYC, it'll be at least six months before they can legally force you out of the premises. More than enough time to box up your shiat and find a slightly less terrible building to live in.

And then you've ruined your credit, and likely your chances of renting anywhere else.


Pshyeah, right. Whatever. There's no "rental history" anyone keeps, despite what they'd have you believe, and landlords will rent to anyone who's got the skrillah and a decent few references.
2012-07-09 06:08:58 PM  
1 votes:

evilboyevil: Bathia_Mapes: Sin_City_Superhero: You are aware that it's the LANDLORD's responsibility to maintain their rental properties, not the tenant, right? That's why you pay rent.

Exactly.

An exception would be if the tenant or one or more of their guests deliberately caused the damage themselves.

However, fixing leaking faucets, removing mold caused by those leaks, pest control (rats, cockroaches, etc.), ensuring that rental units have working smoke alarms, removing lead based paint, etc. are all the responsibility of the landlord.

I don't think most people know their rights when renting. I know I don't know what I'm responsible for and what they are responsible for. I'm finally moving out of the apartment that my brother and mom have shared for the past fifteen years. It's just been cheapest to live there, and I finally have money to pay for two moderately nicer apartments than the shiat hole I've been living in.

It's obviously my own fault as a consumer for not shopping around. But I've always been a cheap bastard.

Wood floors need to be re-surfaced every few years, ours were old and shiatty when we moved in. They refused to replace the broken tile in the kitchen and dining room and it's simply had a carpet over the transition to the wood floor. The kitchen had a fire in it before we moved in and they never resurfaced it. The bathroom sink was falling away from the wall so the superintendent "fixed it" by adding caulk to the wall. The bathroom door needed to be replaced and wouldn't fit in the door so he "fixed it" by smacking the door frame until wood chips flew off to make it looser.

Anyone know what your rights are as far as getting your deposit back? I can do without it, but I've been told by well-to-do coworkers that I should just not pay the last month's rent and tell them the landlord to take it out of the deposit. That way, the responsibility is on them to sue, and not the other way around.


Landlord/tenant laws tend to vary depending on where you live. My advice is to look up the landlord/tenant laws pertaining to your area.
2012-07-09 04:08:11 PM  
1 votes:

TommyymmoT: I grew up on College Ave in the Bronx, so I'm......

Seriously, I lived on the next block, but everybody I knew got out of there by 1970.
We moved in 1969, and the place was VASTLY different.
Anybody that lived like that, would be shunned.

It's not the landlord's fault that she never washes anything, and obviously leaves food laying around in pots for the vermin to feast on.


That certainly explains the leaky roof.

When I lived down there, pretty much NOBODY had rats and bugs.

Yeah, 1970's Bronx was renowned for its cleanliness.

Also, much of that is water damage that could have been prevented had she learned to live like a human being.

I'm sure it was brand new when she moved in.

And what the hell is it with people who can't figure out how to use a paint brush?
If my kitchen looked like that, I wouldn't be waiting a single second to slop some paint on there, it's neither hard, nor expensive.


Painting walls that will be ruined by water damage is a waste of time and money.
2012-07-09 03:53:51 PM  
1 votes:

Pick: Wow, renting is a real good deal. I have been trying for years to get the mortgage company out to do some painting and maintenance around here. They just laugh, when I call them on the phone.

Seriously, I cannot believe these folks are so lazy, that they can't run down to Lowes or HD and buy a can of paint and a few brushes to spruce their apartments up. Guess they prefer to live in misery.


Paying for improvements to property that you own makes sense. Paying for improvements to property you don't own is stupid. You're calling renters lazy because they don't want to spend their money to make someone else's building nicer (which, btw, would drive up the rent). You're a thundering moron.
2012-07-09 03:53:43 PM  
1 votes:

youfoundthekingbaby: and apparently there are a lot of lazy excuse makers like you living in those slums.


I bet you that woman has worked more hours than you ever will.
2012-07-09 03:40:27 PM  
1 votes:

WhyteRaven74: IHateLongIsland: Time to renew your lease? We're going to raise rent 20%...dicks.

WTF is up with renting in NYC? The elevator issue alone should have the city all over the landlord. It would here in Chicago. And the stories about people not having heat? How does the city even allow that to happen?


I actually called 311 to report the shoddy clean-up of the dead guy. DOH came out to the building, fined Avalon $20k, and made sure they had professionals come in the next day to clean it up.
2012-07-09 03:21:59 PM  
1 votes:
All of those people biatching that the tenants should fix the problems themselves, you know that rats and roaches are building wide problems that have to be treated that way. One person cannot hire an exterminator for their place, the pests will be back pretty damn fast.
2012-07-09 03:17:50 PM  
1 votes:

IHateLongIsland: Time to renew your lease? We're going to raise rent 20%...dicks.


WTF is up with renting in NYC? The elevator issue alone should have the city all over the landlord. It would here in Chicago. And the stories about people not having heat? How does the city even allow that to happen?
2012-07-09 03:15:13 PM  
1 votes:
palmetto bugs are not drawn in by garbage like roaches. In those areas you just have them around like any other insect.

if you have any volume of roaches in Florida, or anywhere else, someone isn't taking care of their garbage, maybe not you, but someone nearby.

Igor Jakovsky: HotWingConspiracy: youfoundthekingbaby: 1. you don't have rats and roaches if people are cleaning up after themselves.

Yeah I'm sure if everyone pushed a mop in that building, all the rats would just go away.

Pest management is for the landlord, it's his property.

Oddly at a former townhouse I rented, pest control was the tenants responsibility. That was spelled out in the lease. Also to the OPs comment about the rats and roaches, where I live here in Florida roaches and palmetto bugs are guaranteed. I don't care how clean you are.

2012-07-09 03:09:47 PM  
1 votes:

Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: HotWingConspiracy: Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: HotWingConspiracy: Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: It looks nasty, not because the Landlord didn't maintain it, but because the tenants haven't cleaned it!

The roof leaks because she didn't bleach the cupboards? Run with that.

No, that's clearly a Landlord issue but the mystery shiat on the cupboards? Rather than say, "fark it. My Landlord's a piece of shiat and the roof leaks so I ain't gonna do shiat." she should get out some Mr. Clean and get to work.

What makes you think that isn't staining from water damage? No amount of cleaning fixes that.

Assuming whatever caused the mystery stain is from a problem only the Landlord can fix, at what point do you say, "fark it. I can't afford to live anywhere else and I refuse to let my family live in a shiat hole. I am going to try to clean/fix it myself!" Because seriously, what other options do they have? If they rat the Landlord out and the issues aren't enough to get the building condemned, he's probably going to keep doing what he's been doing- nothing. If the issues are enough to get it condemned they are going to be evicted and either be A. Homeless or B. Living in a new apartment, just as craptastic as the old one. And given where they are living, it's doubtful they can afford a lawyer to sue his ass, so it's not like they can force him to do something. Lastly, and I hate to say this, but if any of them aren't here legally he's probably knows it and will call INS on them if they raise to much of a stink.


There was actually a situation like this locally--the slum lord had spent the last several years doing NOTHING to upkeep the apartments, which were rent-assisted, and eventually they called in the media. Exposed wiring, plumbing that didn't work, and so on meant that these people were paying lowered rent for the privilege of having a leaky roof over their heads and not much else (several of them lived in apartments with kerosene heaters and cooking on camping stoves). This folks worked for a living, but could never get "there" enough to move out, and the landlord took advantage of that fact. He collected money from the renters and the government, then sat back and refused to listen to complaints such as "we don't have any heat," or "we don't have any way to cook our food."

In your world, it is apparently up to the tenants, who live where they do because they don't have money, to somehow afford an oven, which, I promise you, if they tried to bring along when they moved out, would promptly get them sued.

/end of story for our area: the building was condemned and torn down
//social services helped the others find a place to live
///landlord up on charges
2012-07-09 03:09:43 PM  
1 votes:
First, anyone hating on the people profiled has almost certainly never rented anything and, less certainly but still in the "probably" zone, is a racist twat.

Second, most of the suggestions above for solving their problems shows a clear lack of understanding of how the tenant-landlord relationship works, from a legal standpoint.

Third, this article makes me SUPER happy that I rent in San Francisco. Between rent control and the Rent Board, "slumlord" is super rare out here.
2012-07-09 03:08:47 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: youfoundthekingbaby: 1. you don't have rats and roaches if people are cleaning up after themselves.

Yeah I'm sure if everyone pushed a mop in that building, all the rats would just go away.

Pest management is for the landlord, it's his property.


Oddly at a former townhouse I rented, pest control was the tenants responsibility. That was spelled out in the lease. Also to the OPs comment about the rats and roaches, where I live here in Florida roaches and palmetto bugs are guaranteed. I don't care how clean you are.
2012-07-09 03:07:40 PM  
1 votes:
You would have to be one dumb sunsabiatch to pay for a lot of what's wrong in that building/apartment out of your own pocket.

Even if you had the expertise to do it yourself, there are landlords out there that if it isn't done exactly to their standards, it'll be "fixed" by people he will hire at your cost anyway and quite possibly anything else that might be adjacent to the work area. On more than one occasion I've seen renters go out of their way to spruce up the place only to have the landlord notice, wait a few months, and then evict them for whatever BS reason they can think of knowing full well that they can now rent out the "Newly Renovated" apartment for more money.
2012-07-09 03:01:17 PM  
1 votes:

Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: don't leave trash in the stairwell or other common area etc


In some of NYC's slums there's little other place except common areas for trash a couple days after the last garbage pick up. The landlords just don't provide a suitable amount of space for properly disposing of the garbage.

FarkerinMN: Don't biatch for someone else to jump in and fix it for you.


That would work if it wasn't the landlord's legal responsibility to fix certain issues. And they refuse to fix the problems for years. Worse the city refuses to do anything about it even though they have various legal remedies at their disposal should they choose to pursue them.
2012-07-09 03:01:02 PM  
1 votes:

Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: HotWingConspiracy: Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: HotWingConspiracy: Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: It looks nasty, not because the Landlord didn't maintain it, but because the tenants haven't cleaned it!

The roof leaks because she didn't bleach the cupboards? Run with that.

No, that's clearly a Landlord issue but the mystery shiat on the cupboards? Rather than say, "fark it. My Landlord's a piece of shiat and the roof leaks so I ain't gonna do shiat." she should get out some Mr. Clean and get to work.

What makes you think that isn't staining from water damage? No amount of cleaning fixes that.

Assuming whatever caused the mystery stain is from a problem only the Landlord can fix, at what point do you say, "fark it. I can't afford to live anywhere else and I refuse to let my family live in a shiat hole. I am going to try to clean/fix it myself!".


Seriously, what the fark is your obsession with this woman's cupboard all about? If she can't clean it, it needs to be replaced. Guess who that falls on? Not the tenant. They don't exist to give the landlord free labor and material.

Because seriously, what other options do they have?

Looks like they can go to the press.
2012-07-09 02:49:36 PM  
1 votes:

Bathia_Mapes: Egoy3k: It's been mentioned before but paint does not seal a leaking roof very well.

THIS

Also, my guess is that most of these tenants don't have cars (many people in NYC don't).

My next question would be: If someone lived in the Bronx and doesn't have a vehicle nor can they afford a taxi, how easy is it to get to a Lowes or a Home Depot store on public transit? That is if either store exists in that area. I don't live there, so I'm not even certain there are Lowes/Home Depots in the Bronx.

Also, would they be allowed to have cans of paint on NY public transit? I know they're not allowed on city buses where I live, but rules differ.


There are Home Depots in the Bronx, not sure about Lowes. And smaller local hardware stores.

If you can carry it, you can take it on transit in NYC. There probably are rules, but I've seen all kinds of crazy shiat carried on transit. Heck, I've taken a 7ft step ladder on the subway.
2012-07-09 02:47:45 PM  
1 votes:
if they don't like the way the place is maintained MOVE!!! Don't biatch for someone else to jump in and fix it for you. As was already mentioned here; they probably stay because the rent is super cheap but they want to biatch until they get a nice place without the rent going up. I would say that these places are probably rent controlled so there is very little profit in them as it is for the landlord. And whats to say that these people wouldn't just trash whatever repairs were made. I work on about 1000 foreclosed houses a year and you wouldn't believe what people do to places they own, I can't even imagine what they would do to a place where their only liability is their $500 security deposit.

Honestly i'm glad that landlords are allowed to rent crappy places for bottom rent. When I was in college I rented a crap hole for $290 a month (everything else was double that) I spent my evenings for a couple weeks sprucing it up (yes this did include drywall work and some structural) . I probably put about $300 into it but then I had a very nice place and I stayed there at half rent for the next 2 years.
2012-07-09 02:44:33 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: Pest management is for the landlord, it's his property.


And poor garbage storage will bring in rats no matter how clean the apartments are. And having proper garbage storage falls squarely on the landlord. If one dumpster isn't enough, time to get a second, if two aren't enough, time for a third. And if they have something else, then it's time for more of whatever they have.
2012-07-09 02:42:10 PM  
1 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: What makes you think that isn't staining from water damage? No amount of cleaning fixes that.


Judging by the pattern and color I'd venture that it quite probably if not quite certainly is water damage.

evilboyevil: Anyone know what your rights are as far as getting your deposit back? I


It varies not only from state to state but can also vary from county to county within a state and even towns and cities can have their own rules. One nice thing about renting in Chicago is, if the landlord doesn't fix it, you can just call someone in to fix it, and then deduct what you spent from your rent. And as long as you provide a copy of the bill to the landlord, there's not a damn thing they can do about it. Obviously this assumes having the money to pay for the repair, which for something large would be out of the question for the vast majority of people, but for smaller things it does make it possible for people to get things fixed when the landlord won't do it.
2012-07-09 02:37:59 PM  
1 votes:

Talula Does the Hula From Hawaii: she should get out some Mr. Clean and get to work


And maybe it was there before she moved in and she's tried to clean it and it won't come out.

bluesbox: when people get something for free (or nearly so), they don't take care of it.


The problems here aren't because of tenants, they're because of landlords.

youfoundthekingbaby: 1. you don't have rats and roaches if people are cleaning up after themselves.


False on both counts.

2. you get what you pay for. If you cant afford to live in NYC, maybe you shouldn't live in NYC.

So poor people should have horrid housing cause fark the poor. Got it.
2012-07-09 02:34:54 PM  
1 votes:
I'm all for fixing things in a place I'm renting, but it's not on me to fix the roof or remove lead paint.
2012-07-09 02:33:06 PM  
1 votes:
[Is Fark eating anyone else's posts today?]

Rent control does far more harm to affordable housing than good -- even if the past fifty years' worth of evidence to that effect were not at hand, it's a pretty simple mechanism to understand. Rent control is simply a form of price-fixing, which does not work, has never worked, and never will work.

Also: when people get something for free (or nearly so), they don't take care of it. I once worked on a government low-income housing project as a laborer. It wasn't a high-rise, but instead bungalows clustered around a pretty little park with a swimming pool. It was basically a nice little gated community. Hell, I wouldn't have minded getting a place there -- but with my majestic $8/hr job, I didn't qualify. Five years after it went up, it looked like downtown Ramadi during the Iraq war. Technically the "government" owns the site, but so what? There's no accountability, no real ownership, no consequences.

This is when I became a foe of government-backed social engineering. It's not just the government wastes billions of taxpayer dollars on badly-designed programs, or that the plans usually end up doing more harm than good to the very people they're intended for. No, the biggest problem with government social engineering is this: they suck at it. Good intentions are no excuse for wasting that much taxpayer money.
2012-07-09 02:23:24 PM  
1 votes:

Liz Lemon: And then you've ruined your credit, and likely your chances of renting anywhere else.


If you had a good credit rating you wouldn't have been living in one of these terrible buildings to begin with.
2012-07-09 02:18:39 PM  
1 votes:

RumsfeldsReplacement: So...move?


My guess is rent control. Their rents are probably so low it makes it:

A) Tough to make expensive upgrades to the building
B) Hard for the tenets to find affordable housing elsewhere.
2012-07-09 02:16:59 PM  
1 votes:

SultanofSchwing: Lazy ass tenants.


You ever tried painting a wall that's constantly damp from condensation or leaky walls?
2012-07-09 02:10:52 PM  
1 votes:

NullReferenceException: If you have rats in the walls, be very careful what you name your black cat. Someone telling your life story could inadvertently break the flow of the story's narrative every time the cat is mentioned.

/Also, your ancestors are some seriously sick farkers
//I feel very geeky that this is the first thing I thought of


I lived in an old cracker house in florida that had rats in the walls when I moved in, but my awesome black cat took care of things fairly quickly, so I got a kick out of your comment.
Miss you Max.

/Smax Jackson, action cat.
2012-07-09 02:10:10 PM  
1 votes:
If you want an example of how Giuliani and Bloomberg are raging hypocrites when it comes to improving NYC, this article provides five.
2012-07-09 02:06:53 PM  
1 votes:
Rats skittering in the walls?

Movement. Signal's clean. Range, 20 meters.
They've found a way in, something we've missed.
We didn't miss anything.
17 meters.
Something under the floor, not in the plans, I don't know.
15 meters.
Definitely inside the barricades.
Let's go.
12 meters.
That's right outside the door.
They're right on us.
9 meters. 7. 6.
That can't be; that's inside the room.
It's reading right man, look!
Then you're not reading it right.
5 meters, man. 4. What the hell?
2012-07-09 02:04:46 PM  
1 votes:
I don't know... Obviously the landlord is supposed to maintain the property, but why don't the tenants just leave? If I lived in a shiat hole like that I sure as hell wouldn't be having the newspaper tour the place and document how big of a pit it is.
2012-07-09 01:49:22 PM  
1 votes:
Not all apartment complexes allow the tenants to paint the walls. Thankfully where I live allows it. My apartment complex is great, it's neat and clean and in a great location but having walls that were only eggshell white was driving me crazy.

It's not that hard or too expensive to paint and to fix holes in walls. Gracious, I'm just a "lowly, female civilian" (so my Warrior facetiously tells me) yet I did such a fine job painting my living room and my bedroom that the maintenance guys thought I had hired someone to do them. And when I moved out of my one bedroom I repaired a hole in the wall that I had inadvertently made in the pantry: I guarentee it was cheaper for me to to fix it than it would have been had they charged me to repair it (what do y'all think?)

Yes landlords are to maintain the buildings but damn people, have some pride on where you live! Heaven forbid some of these folks ever become homeowners! Their houses would completely fall apart! Even if you don't own where you live you have a responsibility to keep it in a good, clean living condition.
2012-07-09 01:49:13 PM  
1 votes:

Pick: Wow, renting is a real good deal. I have been trying for years to get the mortgage company out to do some painting and maintenance around here. They just laugh, when I call them on the phone.

Seriously, I cannot believe these folks are so lazy, that they can't run down to Lowes or HD and buy a can of paint and a few brushes to spruce their apartments up. Guess they prefer to live in misery.


Most rental agreements have a "do not paint" clause in them. Also, why add value to a property that isn't yours?

If you are paying a mortgage, the property is yours, you are just paying someone back for loaning you money.
2012-07-09 01:45:58 PM  
1 votes:
Decrepit conditions are common for residents.

Decrepit residents are common for conditions.
2012-07-09 01:36:34 PM  
1 votes:
Wow, renting is a real good deal. I have been trying for years to get the mortgage company out to do some painting and maintenance around here. They just laugh, when I call them on the phone.

Seriously, I cannot believe these folks are so lazy, that they can't run down to Lowes or HD and buy a can of paint and a few brushes to spruce their apartments up. Guess they prefer to live in misery.
2012-07-09 01:34:17 PM  
1 votes:

ritalinchild 54: How much is the rent?


The rent is too damn high!
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2012-07-09 01:32:46 PM  
1 votes:

SultanofSchwing: [i.imgur.com image 350x363]
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No more shiatty walls.

Lazy ass tenants.


That will fix a roof leak, eh?
2012-07-09 01:32:06 PM  
1 votes:
How much is the rent?
2012-07-09 01:31:21 PM  
1 votes:

Sin_City_Superhero: SultanofSchwing: Lazy ass tenants.

You are aware that it's the LANDLORD's responsibility to maintain their rental properties, not the tenant, right? That's why you pay rent.


But that tenant was a brown lady, and all brown people are lazy.
2012-07-09 01:22:39 PM  
1 votes:

RumsfeldsReplacement: So...move?


That was my thought too. Oh well.... The names are out. Internet, go forth. Do your thing.
 
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