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(Salem News 2)   Bad: Your phone system got hacked. Good: Verizon waives fraudulent charges. Bad: Hackers use AT&T   (salemnews.com) divider line 27
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2012-07-09 11:30:44 AM
Fark: You're a hot female and your pictures are now all over the web.
 
2012-07-09 11:33:20 AM
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2012-07-09 12:56:40 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Example:
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How do you know she's hot? All you can tell from that picture is that she isn't fat, and that on it's own isn't good enough.
 
2012-07-09 01:13:06 PM
So they can hack and monitor our phone calls, texts, and emails, but they can't identify hackers making overseas calls (which is what I thought they were supposed to monitoring). To a nation rife with terrorist ties.

I'm so glad I quit that company when I did. And cancelled my phone service with them.
 
2012-07-09 02:07:55 PM
there is a follow up to the story below that article, at&t is no longer pursuing the money but they said "though we are entitled by law to collect the amounts owed." Douch bag at&t.
 
2012-07-09 02:20:07 PM
But one weekend in 2009, phone hackers somehow managed to use his phone system to make hundreds of calls to the African nation of Somalia.

Somalia has phones?
 
2012-07-09 02:21:10 PM
The sprinkles contain potassium benzoate.
 
2012-07-09 02:24:54 PM

Bondith: But one weekend in 2009, phone hackers somehow managed to use his phone system to make hundreds of calls to the African nation of Somalia.

Somalia has phones?


Free from onerous government regulations.

// I am also glad I bailed
// went to Sprint
// which is like getting rid of the robot programmed to punch you in the balls by doing it yourself
 
2012-07-09 02:34:54 PM

Bondith: But one weekend in 2009, phone hackers somehow managed to use his phone system to make hundreds of calls to the African nation of Somalia.

Somalia has phones?


It's one guy. He never puts the damned thing down.
 
2012-07-09 02:38:20 PM
Why would a phone call to anywhere cost $22/minute? Is this 1975?

Vonage charges 69 cents/minute to Mogadishu or 70 cents/minute to Bestway. Google Voice is 53 cents/minute.
 
2012-07-09 02:42:09 PM

Slaxl: How do you know she's hot? All you can tell from that picture is that she isn't fat, and that on it's own isn't good enough.


You see 3/4ths of her. Unless something goes horribly wrong she is a damn fine woman
 
2012-07-09 02:56:12 PM

TheGreatGazoo: Why would a phone call to anywhere cost $22/minute? Is this 1975?


No shiat. I'm curious as to what the inter-carrier rates are for a call from the US to Somalia. I'd bet good money that they are nowhere near $22/min.
 
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2012-07-09 03:05:02 PM
TheGreatGazoo

This was a 10-10 dial around call. AT&T has charged high fees for similar calls for years. I switched long distance more than a decade ago after the domestic call charged to my home phone from a hotel was billed in the dollars per minute range. I had AT&T long distance for home. Calls billed to my account from another phone were charged a different rate. Surprise. For me that was a $10 mistake. For others it was a $600 mistake.

And that's on top of the fraud, kickbacks, and monopolies involved when the foreign telephone company gets to set the rate Americans pay.
 
2012-07-09 03:06:34 PM

brerjeff: there is a follow up to the story below that article, at&t is no longer pursuing the money but they said "though we are entitled by law to collect the amounts owed." Douch bag at&t.


Came here to say this.

Link

Just to reiterate, fark AT&T. They're everything that is wrong with most large retail businesses, and cell phone companies in particular. Any dealing I've ever had with them has been soul-deadeningly horrible.
 
2012-07-09 03:07:29 PM

Diogenes: So they can hack and monitor our phone calls, texts, and emails, but they can't identify hackers making overseas calls (which is what I thought they were supposed to monitoring). To a nation rife with terrorist ties.


so commonly a company phone system will allow international call forwarding. The least secure voice portal password (i.e, 1234) gets compromised, that extension is forwarded to whomever in Somalia, and anyone who wants that call calls the hacked extension.

The best defense is not allowing international forwarding at all.
 
2012-07-09 03:19:57 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Slaxl: How do you know she's hot? All you can tell from that picture is that she isn't fat, and that on it's own isn't good enough.

You see 3/4ths of her. Unless something goes horribly wrong she is a damn fine woman


boards.420chan.org
 
2012-07-09 03:48:43 PM
I love the "We completely understand the situation but are still suing your ass! And you better not ever tell the press!"


Why does anyone still deal with AT&T? Between the wireless group blaming their users for their lack of infrastructure to their long distance group with shiatty billing practices, that company should be going down in flames.
 
2012-07-09 04:21:37 PM

ko_kyi: The best defense is not allowing international forwarding at all.


The problem is that those 10-10 systems allow you to bypass any sort of local block you implement. So the next question is, can you block 10-10 systems?
 
2012-07-09 05:32:10 PM

Stile4aly: The sprinkles contain potassium benzoate.


....

That's bad.

/Can I go now?
 
2012-07-09 05:57:09 PM
http://www.salemnews.com/local/x2004685445/AT-T-drops-suit-against-fra ud-victim

Dropped faster than a hooker at a Bangkok brothel
 
2012-07-09 07:22:12 PM
Its kind of shiatty but ATT is partially right, he should have taken better steps to prevent the fraud, on most PBX's you can shut off international dialing at the source and part of the blame should go to verizon who could have notified him of the issue and had him call his phone vendor to fix the issue.

A simple trip charge and 30 mins of work could have alleviated his ATT headache.

Dinjiin: The problem is that those 10-10 systems allow you to bypass any sort of local block you implement. So the next question is, can you block 10-10 systems?


Yes.
 
2012-07-09 07:27:03 PM

TheGreatGazoo: Why would a phone call to anywhere cost $22/minute? Is this 1975?

Vonage charges 69 cents/minute to Mogadishu or 70 cents/minute to Bestway. Google Voice is 53 cents/minute.


That's why I call random kids in Bishoftu, Ethiopia and proceed to eat an entire bag of potato chips next to the receiver, then hang up.
 
2012-07-09 08:40:23 PM
I'm wondering about the PBX vendor who installed the system. Why anybody would install a phone system with DISA enabled or a voicemail system with the ports configured to allow off premises access in this day and age is beyond me.

But fark AT&T too. Their security department should not have allowed the calls to go through once they noticed a pattern of fraudulent calling.

/AT&T - worst company I ever worked for
//got slammed by them once for LD service. The resulting calls to AT&T and my LD carrier were most entertaining.
///At least they were entertaining for me
 
2012-07-09 11:55:44 PM

Ed Finnerty: TheGreatGazoo: Why would a phone call to anywhere cost $22/minute? Is this 1975?

Vonage charges 69 cents/minute to Mogadishu or 70 cents/minute to Bestway. Google Voice is 53 cents/minute.

That's why I call random kids in Bishoftu, Ethiopia and proceed to eat an entire bag of potato chips next to the receiver, then hang up.


International prank calls could be really funny. I can't believe I don't think I've heard one before.
 
2012-07-10 07:57:46 AM

relaxitsjustme: Why anybody would install a phone system with DISA enabled or a voicemail system with the ports configured to allow off premises access in this day and age is beyond me.


Maybe something as innocuous as the customer wanting the ability to call in and check voice mail? They did mention that the system was passcode protected. Not well enough, apparently!
 
2012-07-10 06:47:12 PM

Honest Bender: relaxitsjustme: Why anybody would install a phone system with DISA enabled or a voicemail system with the ports configured to allow off premises access in this day and age is beyond me.

Maybe something as innocuous as the customer wanting the ability to call in and check voice mail? They did mention that the system was passcode protected. Not well enough, apparently!


Dialing into check your voicemail is fine. It's when the voicemail system is not configured properly. Say you have 'dial an extension' turned on so that people can dial out of voicemail to reach whom ever. Mr. Fone Phreaker comes along and dials or 9 011 (or in this case 9 1010) or something along those lines. The voicemail then does what it is programmed to do and transfers the caller to 9 (accessing the outside line) 011 (intenational dialing code) and then Mr. FP completes the rest of the call to Somolia.

They should have restricted the voicemail to only allow transfers to valid mailbox extensions. Piss poor programming on the PBX vendors part.
 
2012-07-11 02:29:55 PM

relaxitsjustme:
They should have restricted the voicemail to only allow transfers to valid mailbox extensions. Piss poor programming on the PBX vendors part.


That depends, a lot of PBXs have those as options you can turn on and off. But in any case you don't fault the homeowner when someone breaks open a window and makes long distance calls, this is esentially the same thing.

Looks like once the story hit the press AT&T decided to stop being douches, which makes the threat not to go to the media that much more douchey.
 
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