Walker: "A male on a pedal cycle attempted to enter the security bubble around the torchbearer. The Met's torch security team prevented him from gaining access to the torchbearer causing the cyclist to fall from his bike. He immediately got back on his bike and left."

Wow, what a bunch of BS there.

Now here's a truth translation:
A 12-year-old BOY just wanted to ride along with the procession. He had no intention to attack the torchbearer. The Met's security team violently pulled him off the bike, got him in a headlock, and then threw him to the ground.

And doing so directly in front of a car, which had to stop instantly to avoid running him over.

farkin Spartans!

bulldg4life: Here's a thought: don't try to invade the perimeter set up by a large security force.

You never had a bike as a kid did you.

Parmenius: And doing so directly in front of a car, which had to stop instantly to avoid running him over.

It really looks like the car ran over the bike.

Scratch that.
Longer video, and yeah, it does look like the kid is just pedaling... pedaling... suddenly veers towards the torch and speeds up, and gets taken out. I withdraw my criticism.

The crude veneer of civility and citizenship we erect in order to maintain an unnecessary and purely symbolic event has been shattered.

Why I will never have anything to do with the IOC. Bunch of officious, litigious self-aggrandizers who have nothing to do with the actual athletes.

I'd just like to say I don't give a fark about the olympics and never have.

looks like they dragged him into the bubble - douches. the one dude on the far left was making the bubble porous - it's his fault not the kid on the bike.

Please. That was a perfectly acceptable response to an unknown possible threat to a very high profile client. The kid is fine, the torch bearer is fine, everyone is fine.

None of you jackasses criticizing the security would be able to protect a kitten properly, so keep whining about how rough the treatment was, secure in your ignorance and paperwork pushing jobs and stay out of the way of the professionals.

asciibaron: looks like they dragged him into the bubble - douches. the one dude on the far left was making the bubble porous - it's his fault not the kid on the bike.

Yeah, if the idea is to keep people away........ Dumbasses

I have a new idea for this... Flashmob, EVERYONE with high-powered Water Guns. Put that thing out like a Colorado brush fire (too soon?)

FarkinHostile: Please. That was a perfectly acceptable response to an unknown possible threat to a very high profile client. The kid is fine, the torch bearer is fine, everyone is fine.

None of you jackasses criticizing the security would be able to protect a kitten properly, so keep whining about how rough the treatment was, secure in your ignorance and paperwork pushing jobs and stay out of the way of the professionals.

Maybe we don't have the years of professional security training that you're also pretending to have, but I think I would know enough to not force the kid into the path of an oncoming car.

Theaetetus: Scratch that.
Longer video, and yeah, it does look like the kid is just pedaling... pedaling... suddenly veers towards the torch and speeds up, and gets taken out. I withdraw my criticism.

Yea, longer video is a better perspective. Still seems like over kill though.

Is it too late for Fark to be appointed in charge of security for the Olympics?

That way we could be sure that random unknown people could have unlimited access to secure areas and we could rest easy that no bomb would be set off anywhere.

/ Just like in Atlanta.

When did the defense of personal space become something that was ok to assault someone for in public? Simple assault for the guy that tackled him, he was not defending the touch or bearer from assault he was assaulting someone that was near it. There was not need for the amount of violence inflicted here on a little boy, I can only hope this guy trips in front chase car and they take their 'make sure you stay close' as seriously as he does with 'crowd control' and just runs over him.

The '88 winter games had two sites - Calgary for the indoor events and ski jumping, and Canmore for the Nordic events. After the main torch-lighting ceremony they had a second relay to bring the flame to Canmore, and this was open to members of the public. People lined up along the side of the road and got to hand the torch from person to person (in the crowded areas) or carry it a short distance. Even during the main relay, people were allowed to jog along side the torch bearer and touch the torch as it went by.

"Security bubble"? Go fark yourself.

ABQGOD: FarkinHostile: Please. That was a perfectly acceptable response to an unknown possible threat to a very high profile client. The kid is fine, the torch bearer is fine, everyone is fine.

None of you jackasses criticizing the security would be able to protect a kitten properly, so keep whining about how rough the treatment was, secure in your ignorance and paperwork pushing jobs and stay out of the way of the professionals.

Maybe we don't have the years of professional security training that you're also pretending to have, but I think I would know enough to not force the kid into the path of an oncoming car.


shiat happens. The car is moving 5mph, not exactly a serious danger, the possibility was talked about and planned on weeks before, and no one got hurt after all, so it worked just fine. Physical Security/body-guarding is an Art, not an exact science, and there is always some jackass pencil pusher wannabe who monday morning quarterbacks AFTER a situation is over and thinks they could have done a better job. Funny, they are always the ones to screw it up colossally when they accidentally find themselves in the thick of the shiat.

You think you can make literally split second decisions, act on them physically and have them work perfectly you need to get away from the keyboard and sign up. Can always use brilliant, perfectly coordinated ninja motherfarkers in the biz.

Oh OH OH! Assault of a child!

Sexcrime! SEXCRIME!!!!

...and WTF? They should have *pulled* the boy and bike *away* from the torchbearer instead of ramming him straight *through* the "bubble" and past the torchbearer. Would this idiot shove a man with a gun *toward* the president, or should he push him back?

It looks like the security guard himself is the person the boy was trying to avoid hitting. Reminds me of the other cop who tackled a passing bicyclist and claimed that he'd been hit by it.

Why do cops hate bicycles?

Austinoftx: Why do cops hate bicycles?

Why don't you?

MoronLessOff: Austinoftx: Why do cops hate bicycles?

Why don't you?

Well, I suppose it's because I have normal feet. I imagine it's hard to pedal with hooves.

Austinoftx: MoronLessOff: Austinoftx: Why do cops hate bicycles?

Why don't you?

Well, I suppose it's because I have normal feet. I imagine it's hard to pedal with hooves.

Wakka wakka!

FarkinHostile: Please. That was a perfectly acceptable response to an unknown possible threat to a very high profile client. The kid is fine, the torch bearer is fine, everyone is fine.

None of you jackasses criticizing the security would be able to protect a kitten properly, so keep whining about how rough the treatment was, secure in your ignorance and paperwork pushing jobs and stay out of the way of the professionals.

How long does it take to professionally tackle children? Seems like tough work that only the manliest of men can do.

Maybe they overreacted because of this incident?

rudemix: How long does it take to professionally tackle children? Seems like tough work that only the manliest of men can do.

Looked like about 4 seconds. Tackle? Please. He grabbed the kid, pulled him AWAY, spun around from the inertia and then they tripped. I doubt the little snowflake even got a scrape. And even a little girl like yourself could have handled it, perhaps not without getting someone involved injured though.

But I'm sure you have lots of experience with potentially dangerous physical situations.

Lets recap:

Did the client get hurt? No.
Did any team members get hurt? No.
Did any civilians get hurt? No.
Did the kid get hurt? No.
Was the event disrupted? No.

That is what the deal is.

FarkinHostile: ABQGOD: FarkinHostile: Please. That was a perfectly acceptable response to an unknown possible threat to a very high profile client. The kid is fine, the torch bearer is fine, everyone is fine.

None of you jackasses criticizing the security would be able to protect a kitten properly, so keep whining about how rough the treatment was, secure in your ignorance and paperwork pushing jobs and stay out of the way of the professionals.

Maybe we don't have the years of professional security training that you're also pretending to have, but I think I would know enough to not force the kid into the path of an oncoming car.


shiat happens. The car is moving 5mph, not exactly a serious danger, the possibility was talked about and planned on weeks before, and no one got hurt after all, so it worked just fine. Physical Security/body-guarding is an Art, not an exact science, and there is always some jackass pencil pusher wannabe who monday morning quarterbacks AFTER a situation is over and thinks they could have done a better job. Funny, they are always the ones to screw it up colossally when they accidentally find themselves in the thick of the shiat.

You think you can make literally split second decisions, act on them physically and have them work perfectly you need to get away from the keyboard and sign up. Can always use brilliant, perfectly coordinated ninja motherfarkers in the biz.

You were probably mall security at one point. Someone who dreamed of becoming a professional football player but only grew to 5'5". Now you can take all that meathead aggression out on some 14 year old shoplifter. Cops, security, thugs, all a bunch of whiny pussies who can't earn a lick of authority in life without joining a gang full of more of you.

FarkinHostile: ABQGOD: FarkinHostile: Please. That was a perfectly acceptable response to an unknown possible threat to a very high profile client. The kid is fine, the torch bearer is fine, everyone is fine.

None of you jackasses criticizing the security would be able to protect a kitten properly, so keep whining about how rough the treatment was, secure in your ignorance and paperwork pushing jobs and stay out of the way of the professionals.

Maybe we don't have the years of professional security training that you're also pretending to have, but I think I would know enough to not force the kid into the path of an oncoming car.


shiat happens. The car is moving 5mph, not exactly a serious danger, the possibility was talked about and planned on weeks before, and no one got hurt after all, so it worked just fine. Physical Security/body-guarding is an Art, not an exact science, and there is always some jackass pencil pusher wannabe who monday morning quarterbacks AFTER a situation is over and thinks they could have done a better job. Funny, they are always the ones to screw it up colossally when they accidentally find themselves in the thick of the shiat.

You think you can make literally split second decisions, act on them physically and have them work perfectly you need to get away from the keyboard and sign up. Can always use brilliant, perfectly coordinated ninja motherfarkers in the biz.

Do you work hard at being an asshole or does it just come naturally?

Absolut Height Advantage:

You were probably mall security at one point. Someone who dreamed of becoming a professional football player but only grew to 5'5". Now you can take all that meathead aggression out on some 14 year old shoplifter. Cops, security, thugs, all a bunch of whiny pussies who can't earn a lick of authority in life without joining a gang full of more of you.


Whatever makes you feel better about yourself, sunshine. Another snowflake who has a worthless opinion about a topic they are totally ignorant about.

I have hundreds of physical encounters under my belt. I have injured exactly ZERO people in my decades in the biz. I have more certifications and diplomas on my wall than you can shake a stick at. I am quite qualified to make a professional assessment of the encounter.

Too bad you think he was overzealous. He wasn't, he was a tad sloppy but as I said shiat happens at 100 mph. He did just fine.


henryhill: Do you work hard at being an asshole or does it just come naturally?

Eh, it does come pretty easy when you are as honest and blunt as I am. I tone it down in face to face interactions, but here? I prefer to just spit it, not spin it. I'm not here to be popular.

FarkinHostile: rudemix: How long does it take to professionally tackle children? Seems like tough work that only the manliest of men can do.

Looked like about 4 seconds. Tackle? Please. He grabbed the kid, pulled him AWAY, spun around from the inertia and then they tripped. I doubt the little snowflake even got a scrape. And even a little girl like yourself could have handled it, perhaps not without getting someone involved injured though.

But I'm sure you have lots of experience with potentially dangerous physical situations.

Lets recap:

Did the client get hurt? No.
Did any team members get hurt? No.
Did any civilians get hurt? No.
Did the kid get hurt? No.
Was the event disrupted? No.

That is what the deal is.

BS. Let's recap:

The guard himself got in the kid's way. When the guard noticed the kid approaching from behind, and took up position so that the kid was between him and the torchbearer, instead of shielding the torch bearer. When the kid swerved around him, he lunged suddenly, grabbing the bike and whirling him around twice like a caber (is this some skilled and well-reasoned maneuver practiced by highly-trained security personnel which I don't know about?) He then flings the kid directly in front of a moving car, which he had NO reason to know would be able to stop in time, dives on top of the kid, who was completely submissive, then, um, thrusts his hand down the kid's pants. Watch the long video linked above.

This isn't "just an accident". This was incompetence. The guard was less concerned with the safety of the torch bearer, and more interested in demonstrating absolute dominance of his wedge of the "bubble". HE escalated the situation from an annoyance into a near-disaster. He was probably thinking to himself "is this it? Is THIS it? AWWW, YEAH MAN, HERE WE GO! *TEAM* *AMERICA* *ACTIVATE*!"

The deal is, the kid very nearly got his head run over by a car that weighs several tons at any speed. The deal is, a supposedly highly-trained security detail made this incident far more dangerous by taking the action they did. The crowd wasn't rioting, there's no excuse for mistakes or overcompensation. It wasn't an emergency that demanded immediate action without thinking.

All I've ever been is a club bouncer, but yes, I know what I would have done in the situation. I would keep the torch bearer shielded at all times. I would spread my arms and make eye contact with the boy on the bike, pointing him toward the curb. If I absolutely had to, I would PUSH him out of the bubble. I wouldn't even have to think about this. No kids or kitties would be whirled around and hurled under escort vehicles. Also, my hands would stay where they could be seen, just sayin'.

The nicest way to put this is that security made a very poor decision which resulted in their immediately losing control and nearly causing the death of a child. No torchbearer was harmed, nor indeed, in danger in the first place.

Jesus, if it had been in the US, they'd have gunned him down or tasered him at the very least, then handcuffed him and pepper sprayed him - in that order

Too bad you think he was overzealous. He wasn't, he was a tad sloppy but as I said shiat happens at 100 mph. He did just fine.

"Just a tad sloppy" nearly got a child's head crushed in a situation that wasn't reasonably threatening to warrant it. He failed at protecting the torch bearer and he failed at responding appropriately.

If your idea of "doing just fine" involves nearly killing a kid, with only sheer luck to credit for avoiding it, then you have some really low standards.

Austinoftx:

The guard himself got in the kid's way. When the guard noticed the kid approaching from behind, and took up position so that the kid was between him and the torchbearer, instead of shielding the torch bearer. When the kid swerved around him, he lunged suddenly, grabbing the bike and whirling him around twice like a caber (is this some skilled and well-reasoned maneuver practiced by highly-trained security personnel which I don't know about?) He then flings the kid directly in front of a moving car, which he had NO reason to know would be able to stop in time, dives on top of the kid, who was completely submissive, then, um, thrusts his hand down the kid's pants. Watch the long video linked above.

This isn't "just an accident". This was incompetence. The guard was less concerned with the safety of the torch bearer, and more interested in demonstrating absolute dominance of his wedge of the "bubble". HE escalated the situation from an annoyance into a near-disaster. He was probably thinking to himself "is this it? Is THIS it? AWWW, YEAH MAN, HERE WE GO! *TEAM* *AMERICA* *ACTIVATE*!"

The deal is, the kid very nearly got his head run over by a car that weighs several tons at any speed. The deal is, a supposedly highly-trained security d ...

Here we go. Already mentioned you:

..and there is always some jackass pencil pusher wannabe who monday morning quarterbacks AFTER a situation is over and thinks they could have done a better job.


So haw many times have you worked a high security detail? Let me guess: Zero. Meanwhile I'll continue to do the job I have for the last 25+ years, alas now in a suit and tie in an air conditioned office, managing people doing the actual day to day work. Sigh....I do miss the field sometimes.

Jesus, even Theaetetus agrees it was righteous. If that doesn't settle it, nothing I say will.

So I assume you are going to become a bodyguard now? I mean, with your obvious skills (just totally untested, thats all) you can save the whole world! Oh but here comes the cleched personal attack. Have at me. Let your impotent rage flow.

Austinoftx: Too bad you think he was overzealous. He wasn't, he was a tad sloppy but as I said shiat happens at 100 mph. He did just fine.

"Just a tad sloppy" nearly got a child's head crushed in a situation that wasn't reasonably threatening to warrant it. He failed at protecting the torch bearer and he failed at responding appropriately.

If your idea of "doing just fine" involves nearly killing a kid, with only sheer luck to credit for avoiding it, then you have some really low standards.


Actually, he SAVED the kids life. He saw the boy was on a course to go under the tires of the car, so he heroically jumped in front of the car, putting him life in danger, to save that poor boy.

He should get a medal.


Isn't worthless conjecture fun? And all from a single 30 second piece of footage, from only one angle,

FarkinHostile:

Isn't worthless conjecture fun? And all from a single 30 second piece of footage, from only one angle,

how many angles do you need to see that the security guy took an almost certainly innocuous perimeter breach and turned it into a violent, risky assault? on a farking 12-year-old.

are you trolling? or are you just like every meathead, tiny-pricked, borderline retarded bouncer/bodyguard/random bully i've ever met?

So basically this is like pretty much anything to do with the Olympics apart from the on-field performances: over flowing with self importance, expecting the world to subordinate to its dictates and beyond the boundaries of normal laws. If so many of the athletes weren't such nice people it'd be very hard to take the Olympics seriously any more; they've become a parody of their original intentions.

FarkinHostile: Actually, he SAVED the kids life. He saw the boy was on a course to go under the tires of the car, so he heroically jumped in front of the car, putting him life in danger, to save that poor boy.

He should get a medal.

Isn't worthless conjecture fun? And all from a single 30 second piece of footage, from only one angle,


Bwahahaha, yep you're a troll. And a blind one. I can't believe you didn't see Officer Kiddiesnatch bend down to save all those kittens from being trampled, too!

xxysyndrome: how many angles do you need to see that the security guy took an almost certainly innocuous perimeter breach and turned it into a violent, risky assault? on a farking 12-year-old.


And this is why you do what you do, and I do what I do.

Stay behind the desk. It'll be safer for everyone.


are you trolling? or are you just like every meathead, tiny-pricked, borderline retarded bouncer/bodyguard/random bully i've ever met?

Sure, that's me. I hope that makes you feel good.

I see your definition of Trolling is "Anyone who has a strong, different opinion.

My definition of Idiot is "People who think anyone who has a strong, different opinion is trolling."

Austinoftx:
Bwahahaha, yep you're a troll. And a blind one. I can't believe you didn't see Officer Kiddiesnatch bend down to save all those kittens from being trampled, too!


Actually, I am mocking you while making a point about your detailed run down of the encounter.

Now do you get it? Shall I type slowly? Will that help?

FarkinHostile: So haw many times have you worked a high security detail? Let me guess: Zero.

Lemme think.... Does protecting Cher on stage count? Though it was more of an honor than a battlefield situation...

FarkinHostile: Austinoftx:
Bwahahaha, yep you're a troll. And a blind one. I can't believe you didn't see Officer Kiddiesnatch bend down to save all those kittens from being trampled, too!


Actually, I am mocking you while making a point about your detailed run down of the encounter.

Now do you get it? Shall I type slowly? Will that help?

Oh, and you're SO GOOD AT IT that you're perfectly indistinguishable from a drooling moron!

Next?

Austinoftx: Lemme think.... Does protecting Cher on stage count?


Actually, that would count.

So, one.

Though it was more of an honor than a battlefield situation...

Thus what separates the professionals from the amateurs.

Austinoftx: Oh, and you're SO GOOD AT IT that you're perfectly indistinguishable from a drooling moron!

Next?

It was pretty clear to me, but then again I read a lot and understand the concept of sarcasm.

FarkinHostile: Austinoftx: Lemme think.... Does protecting Cher on stage count?


Actually, that would count.

So, one.

Though it was more of an honor than a battlefield situation...

Thus what separates the professionals from the amateurs.

Oh, I just meant that I found the task well within my capacity. I didn't go out posturing like a badass, and so noone ended up accidentally thrown up against a rapidly-rotating robotic spotlight.