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(ESPN)   Did you miss seeing Brewers' Zach Greinke's last pitching start? Well, it might be because he was tossed out of the game after four pitches (w/video)   (scores.espn.go.com) divider line 103
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2012-07-09 09:56:40 AM  
The ump is an idiot for tossing him out of the game for that. Lighten up, Francis.
 
2012-07-09 10:03:29 AM  

Mark Ratner: The ump is an idiot for tossing him out of the game for that. Lighten up, Francis.


But the fans show up amd watch the game on tv for HIM. He HAS to put on a show!


/smrtbasebal
 
2012-07-09 10:09:32 AM  

SilentStrider: Mark Ratner: The ump is an idiot for tossing him out of the game for that. Lighten up, Francis.

But the fans show up amd watch the game on tv for HIM. He HAS to put on a show! /smrtbasebal


I'm sure the smrt fans will show up soon to point out how this moment highlighting the human element made the game more awesome for the fans who showed up to watch Greinke and got Livan Hernandez instead. Then they'll check in their fantasy umpire league.
 
2012-07-09 11:03:21 AM  
No, I'm pretty sure his last start lasted 3 innings.
 
2012-07-09 11:05:32 AM  
I mean, this was a dumb move on the ump's part, and I'm not saying he was right or anything, but you don't see guys spike equipment like that in baseball all that often.
 
2012-07-09 11:11:27 AM  

Mark Ratner: The ump is an idiot for tossing him out of the game for that. Lighten up, Francis.


The year of the terrible umpire marches on.
 
2012-07-09 11:13:34 AM  
It would have been funnier if the mods had locked this thread after four posts.
 
2012-07-09 11:13:40 AM  
Brett Lawrie knows your pain.
 
2012-07-09 11:20:11 AM  
I saw his last start. It went 3 innings, shiats, 3 ER, 5 K, 2 BB.

His start BEFORE that one went 4 pitches.

/ducks
 
2012-07-09 11:21:05 AM  
filterpwned. five hits. you happy filter? five. Not 5.
 
2012-07-09 11:21:47 AM  
My guess is he also shouted something.

But the umpire has to be a man, unless dude is up in your face you let shiat go as there is just as much chance he was yelling at himself for giving up a run to the 2nd batter on an infield hit, as he was at the call.
 
2012-07-09 11:22:02 AM  
Laughed like heck when it happened. Hate Zach with a passion
 
2012-07-09 11:25:05 AM  

rag819: I saw his last start. It went 3 innings, shiats, 3 ER, 5 K, 2 BB.


I'm glad there isn't video of that. Zach has enough anxiety issues without it.
 
2012-07-09 11:29:28 AM  
He should find a way to only pitch 2 innings on Friday, then get the start again on Saturday to set the record for starting four straight games.
 
2012-07-09 11:29:47 AM  
Much better video here (new window)
 
2012-07-09 11:32:09 AM  
Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes over the edge.
 
2012-07-09 11:32:35 AM  

Donnchadha: He should find a way to only pitch 2 innings on Friday, then get the start again on Saturday to set the record for starting four straight games.


The modern (post-1901) record, maybe. But the all-time major league record is something like 25 straight starts.
 
2012-07-09 11:34:08 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.

 
2012-07-09 11:38:11 AM  

Palmer Eldritch: It would have been funnier if the mods had locked this thread after four posts.


Heh, reminds me I've got a screencap of a New Jersey Devils thread that some mod locked at 666 posts.
 
2012-07-09 11:41:02 AM  

DoBeDoBeDo: My guess is he also shouted something.

But the umpire has to be a man, unless dude is up in your face you let shiat go as there is just as much chance he was yelling at himself for giving up a run to the 2nd batter on an infield hit, as he was at the call.


He didn't. His immediate reaction was surprise, as in "wait wait wait... what just happened?". He clearly was just frustrated that he didn't cover the base in time. If you read his lips, as they showed on SportsCenter, he said nothing until after the ejection at which point he was still remarkably calm and just said "I'm mad at myself, I'm mad at myself". A player mad at the ump would react to the ejection differently, I'm quite sure.

Anyway, he should have gotten a warning or maybe even a fine from MLB or whatever. But to remove him from the entire game for one brief expression of frustration is awful officiating. It's the equivalent of suspending a hitter for five games for slamming his bat into the ground after swinging and missing at strike three. It's also stupid that if he had thrown at a batter's head he would have gotten the same punishment.
 
2012-07-09 11:41:21 AM  

Pabby: Much better video here (new window)


Lol, Zach didn't even look at the ump.

I love it. The ump knows. He's got this look on his face like "What do you expect me to do? I can't be the first umpire in 100 years to un-eject a guy. Do you know the dressing down I'm going to get for this from Selig? I don't want to be doing this in Pawtucket and Omaha next year."
 
2012-07-09 11:54:21 AM  

DeWayne Mann: Donnchadha: He should find a way to only pitch 2 innings on Friday, then get the start again on Saturday to set the record for starting four straight games.

The modern (post-1901) record, maybe. But the all-time major league record is something like 25 straight starts.


Old Hoss Radbourn 1884. Started 79 of 114 total games and 40 of the last 43 games for the Providence Grays. Won every game of the 1884 World Series (3 for 3). Greatest year ever for a baseball player, 18.6 WAR. Probably did it all with the syphilis that killed him. Link

\I follow him on twitter.
 
2012-07-09 11:57:48 AM  
The kick in the balls is that he ended up with the loss.
 
2012-07-09 11:57:51 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.


Why so much hate? You'd think he farked your mom or something.
 
2012-07-09 11:58:01 AM  
Last start, subby? He started Sunday, not his best work but he's never been the same on the road.

/He'll start first game back from the break too.
 
2012-07-09 11:58:22 AM  
So obviously this means baseball is even worse than FIFA, and NFL officials will be trained to officiate baseball games during their off-seasons starting next year.

/And video replay / manager's challenges
 
2012-07-09 12:00:25 PM  

Donnchadha: He should find a way to only pitch 2 innings on Friday, then get the start again on Saturday to set the record for starting four straight games.


He is slated to start Friday, so he will get 3 consecutive starts if he isn't traded or that changes.
 
2012-07-09 12:03:01 PM  

Donnchadha: He should find a way to only pitch 2 innings on Friday, then get the start again on Saturday to set the record for starting four straight games.


Old Hoss Radbourn laughs at your puny concept of a "record".

His 1884 season: Started 73 of his team's 114 games. Threw 73 complete games, because relievers are for sissies. Thanks to extra innings, that meant 678.2 IP, with a 1.38 ERA when the league ERA was 2.98.

He had a 59-12 record, and his team ran away with the division by 10.5 games. He then started Games 1, 2, and 3 of the three-game 1884 World Series, with 3 complete games, and an ERA of 0.00.

He also batted .230 in his free time, bedded at least five of your female ancestors, and his Twitter feed is funnier than yours.

He also is responsible for the premiere pitching simulation of all times: Old Hoss Baseball 1K884. It includes 5 pitches: Ball, Strike, and three types of beanball.
 
2012-07-09 12:08:10 PM  

chimp_ninja: Donnchadha: He should find a way to only pitch 2 innings on Friday, then get the start again on Saturday to set the record for starting four straight games.

Old Hoss Radbourn laughs at your puny concept of a "record".

His 1884 season: Started 73 of his team's 114 games. Threw 73 complete games, because relievers are for sissies. Thanks to extra innings, that meant 678.2 IP, with a 1.38 ERA when the league ERA was 2.98.

He had a 59-12 record, and his team ran away with the division by 10.5 games. He then started Games 1, 2, and 3 of the three-game 1884 World Series, with 3 complete games, and an ERA of 0.00.

He also batted .230 in his free time, bedded at least five of your female ancestors, and his Twitter feed is funnier than yours.

He also is responsible for the premiere pitching simulation of all times: Old Hoss Baseball 1K884. It includes 5 pitches: Ball, Strike, and three types of beanball.


Oh sure, I go out and do all sorts of actual analysis for the Lincecum thread, and meanwhile you just swoop in here and steal all the funny Old Hoss references.
 
2012-07-09 12:09:59 PM  

DeWayne Mann: Donnchadha: He should find a way to only pitch 2 innings on Friday, then get the start again on Saturday to set the record for starting four straight games.

The modern (post-1901) record, maybe. But the all-time major league record is something like 25 straight starts.


Yeah, when you look at what pitchers used to do, it's just mind boggling compared to current trends.

Cy Young has 511 wins. Today, a 20 win season is impressive -- so you'd have to do that every year for 26 years to equal or surpass that mark. Then again, he probably pitched every day and wasn't part of a 4 or 5 man rotation.
 
2012-07-09 12:13:01 PM  

jayhawk88: Pabby: Much better video here (new window)

Lol, Zach didn't even look at the ump.

I love it. The ump knows. He's got this look on his face like "What do you expect me to do? I can't be the first umpire in 100 years to un-eject a guy. Do you know the dressing down I'm going to get for this from Selig? I don't want to be doing this in Pawtucket and Omaha next year."


"...So I'll just eject the manager too."
 
2012-07-09 12:14:46 PM  

chimp_ninja: He also is responsible for the premiere pitching simulation of all times: Old Hoss Baseball 1K884. It includes 5 pitches: Ball, Strike, and three types of beanball.


Game's busted. Runner scored from third on a two-out groundout.

/shallow and pedantic
 
2012-07-09 12:15:29 PM  
Heaven forbid a highly competitive athlete in a competitive situation displays a brief, exterior show of emotion. Greinke not only disparaged the sanctity of the sport, but ruined the innocence of all children that were present in the stands.
 
2012-07-09 12:16:58 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes over the edge.


Trade him to Baltimore, then you can watch him suffer the rest of the season.
 
2012-07-09 12:18:35 PM  

Donnchadha: Yeah, when you look at what pitchers used to do, it's just mind boggling compared to current trends.


This is why a lot of the people who argue that baseball should never change (DH, replay, more teams in the playoffs, etc) are just clearly wrong.
 
2012-07-09 12:20:35 PM  

CommiePuddin: chimp_ninja: He also is responsible for the premiere pitching simulation of all times: Old Hoss Baseball 1K884. It includes 5 pitches: Ball, Strike, and three types of beanball.

Game's busted. Runner scored from third on a two-out groundout.

/shallow and pedantic


It seems fair to penalize you for leaving a baserunner with two functioning legs. Real pitchers win when the other team can no longer field a healthy lineup.
 
2012-07-09 12:21:06 PM  
A pitcher crying about a call? Say it isn't so....

l.yimg.com

Welcome to the MLB.

/Good for the ump
//Grow up Greinke
 
2012-07-09 12:22:32 PM  

DeWayne Mann: (DH, replay, more teams in the playoffs, etc)


But those things all suck! The DH, ok, that's an argument that's been going on forever.

Replay, if it's ever implemented, is going to be done in some horrifically stupid way. Manager's challenges that let managers buy time for a reliever to warm up, when a guy was out at 1st by 6 steps. A system where a fifth umpire is watching in a booth with an "overrule" button that they can hit within 15 seconds of a call, sure.

More teams in the playoffs? But then I wouldn't have spent all offseason laughing at the Braves and Red Sox. Let me have that.
 
2012-07-09 12:23:16 PM  

Killer Cars: Heaven forbid a highly competitive athlete in a competitive situation displays a brief, exterior show of emotion. Greinke not only disparaged the sanctity of the sport, but ruined the innocence of all children that were present in the stands.


He could have at least saved it for the next batter. That's really the only acceptable way for a pitcher to show emotion.
 
2012-07-09 12:32:50 PM  

Dafatone: DeWayne Mann: (DH, replay, more teams in the playoffs, etc)

But those things all suck! The DH, ok, that's an argument that's been going on forever.

Replay, if it's ever implemented, is going to be done in some horrifically stupid way. Manager's challenges that let managers buy time for a reliever to warm up, when a guy was out at 1st by 6 steps. A system where a fifth umpire is watching in a booth with an "overrule" button that they can hit within 15 seconds of a call, sure.

More teams in the playoffs? But then I wouldn't have spent all offseason laughing at the Braves and Red Sox. Let me have that.


I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate arguments against those things.

I'm saying the argument "Baseball shouldn't change" is a crock.
 
2012-07-09 12:33:39 PM  

chimp_ninja: CommiePuddin: chimp_ninja: He also is responsible for the premiere pitching simulation of all times: Old Hoss Baseball 1K884. It includes 5 pitches: Ball, Strike, and three types of beanball.

Game's busted. Runner scored from third on a two-out groundout.

/shallow and pedantic

It seems fair to penalize you for leaving a baserunner with two functioning legs. Real pitchers win when the other team can no longer field a healthy lineup.


Fair point.

I revamped my game strategy and won by forfeit in the 4th inning by maiming all 11 players on the opposing side.
 
2012-07-09 12:35:11 PM  
By the way, my favorite thing about Old Hoss 1K884? If you peg enough batters, you win by forfeit. Went into the ninth one time ACTUALLY LOSING and pulled out a win that way.
 
2012-07-09 12:35:47 PM  

CommiePuddin: chimp_ninja: CommiePuddin: chimp_ninja: He also is responsible for the premiere pitching simulation of all times: Old Hoss Baseball 1K884. It includes 5 pitches: Ball, Strike, and three types of beanball.

Game's busted. Runner scored from third on a two-out groundout.

/shallow and pedantic

It seems fair to penalize you for leaving a baserunner with two functioning legs. Real pitchers win when the other team can no longer field a healthy lineup.

Fair point.

I revamped my game strategy and won by forfeit in the 4th inning by maiming all 11 players on the opposing side.


STOP STEALING MY THOUGHTS, PEOPLE.
 
2012-07-09 12:37:09 PM  

Dafatone:

More teams in the playoffs? But then I wouldn't have spent all offseason laughing at the Braves and Red Sox. Let me have that.


You might be able to laugh at them more. Imagine if the O's nabbed the 5th spot over boston?
 
2012-07-09 12:37:18 PM  

Granolabar: He could have at least saved it for the next batter. That's really the only acceptable way for a pitcher to show emotion.


Yup. Throwing the ball at dirt: disgusting human being. Throwing the ball at an opposing player: "part of the game"
 
2012-07-09 12:40:38 PM  

thecpt: Dafatone:

More teams in the playoffs? But then I wouldn't have spent all offseason laughing at the Braves and Red Sox. Let me have that.

You might be able to laugh at them more. Imagine if the O's nabbed the 5th spot over boston?


If their chances of making the playoffs, based on how the last games of the year are going, dropped from like 97% to 0 in a second or two, okay.

Though really, I'm more interested in laughing at the Braves, and a little upset that the Red Sox stole all their suck thunder.
 
2012-07-09 12:41:31 PM  

thecpt: Brett Lawrie knows your pain.


If I remember that story correctly, he threw his helmet AT the ump while swearing AT the ump. If I am wrong, please correct me.

sid244: A pitcher crying about a call? Say it isn't so....

[l.yimg.com image 630x474]

Welcome to the MLB.

/Good for the ump
//Grow up Greinke


Uhhh...he wasn't crying about the call, which is why his ejection was BS. Welcome to Fark?
 
2012-07-09 12:42:55 PM  

roc6783: thecpt: Brett Lawrie knows your pain.

If I remember that story correctly, he threw his helmet AT the ump while swearing AT the ump. If I am wrong, please correct me.


He really just sort of spiked the helmet down and forward, in the direction of the ump. I think that suspension was warranted, but he didn't quite mean to throw the helmet at the ump. If he did, it would have been worse.
 
2012-07-09 12:46:03 PM  

Killer Cars: Granolabar: He could have at least saved it for the next batter. That's really the only acceptable way for a pitcher to show emotion.

Yup. Throwing the ball at dirt: disgusting human being. Throwing the ball at an opposing player: "part of the game"


Greinke should be familiar with this rule. Milwaukee is the most hit team in baseball. Hardly a game goes by that some pitcher doesn't feel the need to leave a baseball sized bruise on Ryan Braun's back.
 
2012-07-09 12:46:16 PM  

chimp_ninja: Donnchadha: He should find a way to only pitch 2 innings on Friday, then get the start again on Saturday to set the record for starting four straight games.

Old Hoss Radbourn laughs at your puny concept of a "record".

His 1884 season: Started 73 of his team's 114 games. Threw 73 complete games, because relievers are for sissies. Thanks to extra innings, that meant 678.2 IP, with a 1.38 ERA when the league ERA was 2.98.

He had a 59-12 record, and his team ran away with the division by 10.5 games. He then started Games 1, 2, and 3 of the three-game 1884 World Series, with 3 complete games, and an ERA of 0.00.

He also batted .230 in his free time, bedded at least five of your female ancestors, and his Twitter feed is funnier than yours.

He also is responsible for the premiere pitching simulation of all times: Old Hoss Baseball 1K884. It includes 5 pitches: Ball, Strike, and three types of beanball.


That game was awesome. My best result yet:

Score: 4 - 19
Inning: 4, you win by forfeit
Batsmen faced: 19
Batters maimed or killed: 11
Strikeouts: 0

Last play:
The batsman played through the pain of his first injury, but losing a body part to the latest pitch is too much for him, and the weakling bows out of the game.

With no one left to step into the batter's box, the opposing team has no option but to forfeit. You're loath to leave the field without maiming at least one more enemy, but you'll have to wait until tomorrow's game.
 
2012-07-09 12:50:35 PM  

meanmutton: chimp_ninja: Donnchadha: He should find a way to only pitch 2 innings on Friday, then get the start again on Saturday to set the record for starting four straight games.

Old Hoss Radbourn laughs at your puny concept of a "record".

His 1884 season: Started 73 of his team's 114 games. Threw 73 complete games, because relievers are for sissies. Thanks to extra innings, that meant 678.2 IP, with a 1.38 ERA when the league ERA was 2.98.

He had a 59-12 record, and his team ran away with the division by 10.5 games. He then started Games 1, 2, and 3 of the three-game 1884 World Series, with 3 complete games, and an ERA of 0.00.

He also batted .230 in his free time, bedded at least five of your female ancestors, and his Twitter feed is funnier than yours.

He also is responsible for the premiere pitching simulation of all times: Old Hoss Baseball 1K884. It includes 5 pitches: Ball, Strike, and three types of beanball.

That game was awesome. My best result yet:

Score: 4 - 19
Inning: 4, you win by forfeit
Batsmen faced: 19
Batters maimed or killed: 11
Strikeouts: 0

Last play:
The batsman played through the pain of his first injury, but losing a body part to the latest pitch is too much for him, and the weakling bows out of the game.

With no one left to step into the batter's box, the opposing team has no option but to forfeit. You're loath to leave the field without maiming at least one more enemy, but you'll have to wait until tomorrow's game.


Click on "PEDs" at the bottom, select PED #3, then bean the first batter. You'll thank me later.
 
2012-07-09 12:51:00 PM  

Dafatone: He really just sort of spiked the helmet down and forward, in the direction of the ump. I think that suspension was warranted, but he didn't quite mean to throw the helmet at the ump. If he did, it would have been worse.


I agree, but it wasn't exactly a long shot that the helmet would bounce and whack the ump pretty hard.

I'm in favor of the "No touching!" line with respect to officials. Automatic suspension for any hostile act that is intentional or negligent.

Killer Cars: Yup. Throwing the ball at dirt: disgusting human being. Throwing the ball at an opposing player: "part of the game"


Exactly. 'Spiking' the ball should be a warning at worst, as that's all you'll generally get for a beanball (thrown below shoulder level).
 
2012-07-09 01:04:32 PM  

chimp_ninja: Dafatone: He really just sort of spiked the helmet down and forward, in the direction of the ump. I think that suspension was warranted, but he didn't quite mean to throw the helmet at the ump. If he did, it would have been worse.

I agree, but it wasn't exactly a long shot that the helmet would bounce and whack the ump pretty hard.

I'm in favor of the "No touching!" line with respect to officials. Automatic suspension for any hostile act that is intentional or negligent.

Killer Cars: Yup. Throwing the ball at dirt: disgusting human being. Throwing the ball at an opposing player: "part of the game"

Exactly. 'Spiking' the ball should be a warning at worst, as that's all you'll generally get for a beanball (thrown below shoulder level).


You're allowed to swing the bat as hard as you can at the ground or break it over your knee. Ball at the ground? You're an awful awful meany
 
2012-07-09 01:09:40 PM  

thecpt: You're allowed to swing the bat as hard as you can at the ground or break it over your knee. Ball at the ground? You're an awful awful meany


In fairness, they have plenty of bats, but they only have the one ball, and if something happens to it, they'd have to steal a Babe-Ruth-autographed Ball from Denis Leary to continue the game.
 
2012-07-09 01:12:23 PM  

DeWayne Mann: thecpt: You're allowed to swing the bat as hard as you can at the ground or break it over your knee. Ball at the ground? You're an awful awful meany

In fairness, they have plenty of bats, but they only have the one ball, and if something happens to it, they'd have to steal a Babe-Ruth-autographed Ball from Denis Leary to continue the game.


Wait I thought it was Darth Vader? And you need special shoes.
 
2012-07-09 01:12:23 PM  

Granolabar: Greinke should be familiar with this rule. Milwaukee is the most hit team in baseball. Hardly a game goes by that some pitcher doesn't feel the need to leave a baseball sized bruise on Ryan Braun's back.


Huh. Ryan Braun (9 HBP) is still well short of Carlos Ruiz, who has 13 HBP despite not playing every day.

Ron Hunt's modern record (50 HBP in 1971) looks safe, though. It's a rare skill.
 
2012-07-09 01:14:52 PM  

thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: You're allowed to swing the bat as hard as you can at the ground or break it over your knee. Ball at the ground? You're an awful awful meany

In fairness, they have plenty of bats, but they only have the one ball, and if something happens to it, they'd have to steal a Babe-Ruth-autographed Ball from Denis Leary to continue the game.

Wait I thought it was Darth Vader? And you need special shoes.


No no no, you've skipped too far ahead. Denis Leary owns the ball first, then Darth Vader's dog has it, THEN you get the shoes, then Darth Vader gives you a 1927 Yankees autographed ball instead of the Babe Ruth ball.
 
2012-07-09 01:19:03 PM  

DeWayne Mann: thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: You're allowed to swing the bat as hard as you can at the ground or break it over your knee. Ball at the ground? You're an awful awful meany

In fairness, they have plenty of bats, but they only have the one ball, and if something happens to it, they'd have to steal a Babe-Ruth-autographed Ball from Denis Leary to continue the game.

Wait I thought it was Darth Vader? And you need special shoes.

No no no, you've skipped too far ahead. Denis Leary owns the ball first, then Darth Vader's dog has it, THEN you get the shoes, then Darth Vader gives you a 1927 Yankees autographed ball instead of the Babe Ruth ball.


Denis Leary still beats you like a rented mule in the end though, and that is all that matters.
 
2012-07-09 01:20:45 PM  

DeWayne Mann: No no no, you've skipped too far ahead. Denis Leary owns the ball first, then Darth Vader's dog has it, THEN you get the shoes, then Darth Vader gives you a 1927 Yankees autographed ball instead of the Babe Ruth ball.


I thought Leary just stole the ball from Bill Hicks?

/I'll let myself out.
 
2012-07-09 01:22:51 PM  

chimp_ninja: Granolabar: Greinke should be familiar with this rule. Milwaukee is the most hit team in baseball. Hardly a game goes by that some pitcher doesn't feel the need to leave a baseball sized bruise on Ryan Braun's back.

Huh. Ryan Braun (9 HBP) is still well short of Carlos Ruiz, who has 13 HBP despite not playing every day.

Ron Hunt's modern record (50 HBP in 1971) looks safe, though. It's a rare skill.


True, but the Brewer's have been plunked 50 times so far this year. The closest second is the Rays at 36. We get hit a lot and Braun is the favored target.
 
2012-07-09 01:24:06 PM  
The worst part of the umpire's action is not throwing Greinke out of the game. It is what happens after. (You may have to go to the MLB link provided earlier in the comments to see it.) Greinke goes up to him to plead his case, and he is not throwing a tantrum. The ump; he just turns away from and lets go with a very impressive stream of spit.

/ I know spitting is part of baseball, but...
// Stay classy ump.
 
2012-07-09 01:25:17 PM  
Just waiting for Melvin to pull the trigger on trading Zach. Hopefully over the All Star Break. Would like a top tier pitching prospect, competent SS, and a solid bullpen pitcher.
 
2012-07-09 01:25:20 PM  

roc6783: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: You're allowed to swing the bat as hard as you can at the ground or break it over your knee. Ball at the ground? You're an awful awful meany

In fairness, they have plenty of bats, but they only have the one ball, and if something happens to it, they'd have to steal a Babe-Ruth-autographed Ball from Denis Leary to continue the game.

Wait I thought it was Darth Vader? And you need special shoes.

No no no, you've skipped too far ahead. Denis Leary owns the ball first, then Darth Vader's dog has it, THEN you get the shoes, then Darth Vader gives you a 1927 Yankees autographed ball instead of the Babe Ruth ball.

Denis Leary still beats you like a rented mule in the end though, and that is all that matters.


Yeah, but then he ends up fathering the most annoying kid ever, so it all evens out.

/yes, i both watched and own the two direct-to-video sequels. I don't wanna talk about it

Killer Cars: DeWayne Mann: No no no, you've skipped too far ahead. Denis Leary owns the ball first, then Darth Vader's dog has it, THEN you get the shoes, then Darth Vader gives you a 1927 Yankees autographed ball instead of the Babe Ruth ball.

I thought Leary just stole the ball from Bill Hicks?

/I'll let myself out.


No, that was just a really similar but somewhat more boring ball.
 
2012-07-09 01:25:57 PM  
The Astros suck so bad, they need all the help they can get.
 
2012-07-09 01:26:40 PM  

DeWayne Mann: thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: You're allowed to swing the bat as hard as you can at the ground or break it over your knee. Ball at the ground? You're an awful awful meany

In fairness, they have plenty of bats, but they only have the one ball, and if something happens to it, they'd have to steal a Babe-Ruth-autographed Ball from Denis Leary to continue the game.

Wait I thought it was Darth Vader? And you need special shoes.

No no no, you've skipped too far ahead. Denis Leary owns the ball first, then Darth Vader's dog has it, THEN you get the shoes, then Darth Vader gives you a 1927 Yankees autographed ball instead of the Babe Ruth ball.


Oh, I skip most of that movie because it takes FOR- EV- VER.

/i want to kiss sa more lifeguards
 
2012-07-09 01:28:42 PM  

eagles95: Just waiting for Melvin to pull the trigger on trading Zach. Hopefully over the All Star Break. Would like a top tier pitching prospect, competent SS, and a solid bullpen pitcher.


Because of the new CBA, the returns for a player in his contract year will likely be a lot less than they used to be, even when you consider the fact that the extra wild card adds more buyers. There's an argument to be made that Matt Garza will have a larger trade value than Greinke or Hamels because he's signed for next year.
 
2012-07-09 01:31:09 PM  

thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: You're allowed to swing the bat as hard as you can at the ground or break it over your knee. Ball at the ground? You're an awful awful meany

In fairness, they have plenty of bats, but they only have the one ball, and if something happens to it, they'd have to steal a Babe-Ruth-autographed Ball from Denis Leary to continue the game.

Wait I thought it was Darth Vader? And you need special shoes.

No no no, you've skipped too far ahead. Denis Leary owns the ball first, then Darth Vader's dog has it, THEN you get the shoes, then Darth Vader gives you a 1927 Yankees autographed ball instead of the Babe Ruth ball.

Oh, I skip most of that movie because it takes FOR- EV- VER.

/i want to kiss sa more lifeguards


I've probably seen that movie a hundred times. So...yeah.
 
2012-07-09 01:42:52 PM  

DeWayne Mann: thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: DeWayne Mann: thecpt: You're allowed to swing the bat as hard as you can at the ground or break it over your knee. Ball at the ground? You're an awful awful meany

In fairness, they have plenty of bats, but they only have the one ball, and if something happens to it, they'd have to steal a Babe-Ruth-autographed Ball from Denis Leary to continue the game.

Wait I thought it was Darth Vader? And you need special shoes.

No no no, you've skipped too far ahead. Denis Leary owns the ball first, then Darth Vader's dog has it, THEN you get the shoes, then Darth Vader gives you a 1927 Yankees autographed ball instead of the Babe Ruth ball.

Oh, I skip most of that movie because it takes FOR- EV- VER.

/i want to kiss sa more lifeguards

I've probably seen that movie a hundred times. So...yeah.



Yeah-Yeah
 
2012-07-09 01:46:10 PM  

DeWayne Mann: eagles95: Just waiting for Melvin to pull the trigger on trading Zach. Hopefully over the All Star Break. Would like a top tier pitching prospect, competent SS, and a solid bullpen pitcher.

Because of the new CBA, the returns for a player in his contract year will likely be a lot less than they used to be, even when you consider the fact that the extra wild card adds more buyers. There's an argument to be made that Matt Garza will have a larger trade value than Greinke or Hamels because he's signed for next year.


Agreed....but Zach is a weird egg with his whole i wont play anywhere that has a ton of media requests. Honestly, if he wants to go to a place with apathetic fans and not giving a crap, ATL would be best and i know they have a few top line pitchers. Hell, give us 1 of them and a bullpen guy and we are good to go
 
2012-07-09 01:47:13 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.


I guess I don't get this..being a Tiger fan and not following him much. What's up w/ that?
 
2012-07-09 01:48:20 PM  

eagles95: Agreed....but Zach is a weird egg with his whole i wont play anywhere that has a ton of media requests. Honestly, if he wants to go to a place with apathetic fans and not giving a crap, ATL would be best and i know they have a few top line pitchers. Hell, give us 1 of them and a bullpen guy and we are good to go


But that's another reason why his price will go down. Limits the number of potential buyers.

We'll see, but I've got a feeling the Brewers will be better off letting him go as a FA & taking the draft picks.
 
2012-07-09 01:53:46 PM  
/ I know spitting is part of baseball, but...

It's one of the most stupid and pointless parts of baseball, though. Stop with the spitting already, people. This is the 21st century.
 
2012-07-09 01:55:32 PM  

You Are All Sheep: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.

I guess I don't get this..being a Tiger fan and not following him much. What's up w/ that?


It's the way he left KC. On being traded he dissed the fans,ballpark,media and pretty much any thing to do with KC. Showed no class on the way out. Returned to play in KC during inter league play and keep it up. Even thou the fans were very respecting of him. Still beleave we got the better end of the trade.
 
2012-07-09 02:03:54 PM  
A member of Joe West's cowboy umpire crew? You don't say!
 
2012-07-09 02:06:48 PM  

DeWayne Mann: eagles95: Agreed....but Zach is a weird egg with his whole i wont play anywhere that has a ton of media requests. Honestly, if he wants to go to a place with apathetic fans and not giving a crap, ATL would be best and i know they have a few top line pitchers. Hell, give us 1 of them and a bullpen guy and we are good to go

But that's another reason why his price will go down. Limits the number of potential buyers.

We'll see, but I've got a feeling the Brewers will be better off letting him go as a FA & taking the draft picks.


Well we are probably trading Marcum as well....letting both go to get extra number 1's would be great but really want one traded as to get some major league help right now or for next season
 
2012-07-09 02:07:18 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: You Are All Sheep: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.

I guess I don't get this..being a Tiger fan and not following him much. What's up w/ that?

It's the way he left KC. On being traded he dissed the fans,ballpark,media and pretty much any thing to do with KC. Showed no class on the way out. Returned to play in KC during inter league play and keep it up. Even thou the fans were very respecting of him. Still beleave we got the better end of the trade.


Early on in the thread I guess you were a Royals fan. I was right.

He didn't really need to pile on the fans. KC fans are used to seeing their rising stars leave for greener pastures such as the Red Sox, or worse, the A's. But for him to ditch town for farking Milwaukee... Milwaukee? After all the head case shenanigans, hissy fits and tantrums he threw while in KC while the team quietly dealt with it and attempted to help him through it even though the losses were piling up and he goes to Milwaukee. And then turns around and taunts the entire city. I mean at this point what is the point of anything anymore...
 
2012-07-09 02:26:31 PM  
The way I see this it should have been a warning. To me it is obvious he isn't spiking the ball in response to the call, he is spiking the ball in frustration because he couldn't get the guy out. If he was spiking the ball as a response to the ump, then he should be ejected because it is a well known unwritten rule in baseball that you don't try to show up the ump.
 
2012-07-09 02:36:18 PM  

Dafatone: I mean, this was a dumb move on the ump's part, and I'm not saying he was right or anything, but you don't see guys spike equipment like that in baseball all that often.


Wrong; after guys strike out they often throw their stuff down like that. I saw it 5 times at least at the Sox/Blue Jays game yesterday.
 
2012-07-09 02:51:50 PM  

The1andonlyZack: Dafatone: I mean, this was a dumb move on the ump's part, and I'm not saying he was right or anything, but you don't see guys spike equipment like that in baseball all that often.

Wrong; after guys strike out they often throw their stuff down like that. I saw it 5 times at least at the Sox/Blue Jays game yesterday.


Really? Five times? That's on their way back to the dugout anyway, not in fair territory four feet from an ump. But really, five times in one game?

Okay, hitters occasionally spike things. You don't see fielders do it often at all, and I'm pretty sure similar ball/glove spikes have gotten players tossed before.

Not saying Greinke should have been tossed, but the ump's in a tricky situation. He doesn't know that Greinke's not pissed at him. He just knows Greinke showed frustration in a pretty rare way.
 
2012-07-09 02:55:02 PM  
1. Read Headline.
2. Read Article.
3. Express shock the incident did not include Angel Hernandez or Bob Davidson.
 
2012-07-09 03:01:54 PM  

theurge14: Mid_mo_mad_man: You Are All Sheep: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.

I guess I don't get this..being a Tiger fan and not following him much. What's up w/ that?

It's the way he left KC. On being traded he dissed the fans,ballpark,media and pretty much any thing to do with KC. Showed no class on the way out. Returned to play in KC during inter league play and keep it up. Even thou the fans were very respecting of him. Still beleave we got the better end of the trade.

Early on in the thread I guess you were a Royals fan. I was right.

He didn't really need to pile on the fans. KC fans are used to seeing their rising stars leave for greener pastures such as the Red Sox, or worse, the A's. But for him to ditch town for farking Milwaukee... Milwaukee? After all the head case shenanigans, hissy fits and tantrums he threw while in KC while the team quietly dealt with it and attempted to help him through it even though the losses were piling up and he goes to Milwaukee. And then turns around and taunts the entire city. I mean at this point what is the point of anything anymore...


He was consider a cancer in the clubhouse. Causing trouble and such.
 
2012-07-09 03:13:49 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes over the edge.


I hope it pushes the brewers to trade him away then he wakes up and starts mowing everyone down, preferably with the braves since all their young pitchers everyone wanted to trade for last year are shiatting the bed this year.........

Ump was a douche, been a lot of that going around.
 
2012-07-09 03:31:27 PM  

ongbok: it is a well known unwritten rule in baseball that you don't try to show up the ump.


And that that a single man in possession of a good fortune must be in want of a wife.

/cuz baseball has as many unwritten rules as early 19th century landed gentry in a Jane Austen novel have.
 
2012-07-09 03:40:13 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: You Are All Sheep: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.

I guess I don't get this..being a Tiger fan and not following him much. What's up w/ that?

It's the way he left KC. On being traded he dissed the fans,ballpark,media and pretty much any thing to do with KC. Showed no class on the way out. Returned to play in KC during inter league play and keep it up. Even thou the fans were very respecting of him. Still beleave we got the better end of the trade.


Really?

"It was nice,'' Greinke said about the fan reaction, with hundreds wearing Greinke jerseys, "because I was pretty rude on the way out. I felt I had to in order to get out. I didn't want to be the bad guy, but I felt I had to be.

"But like I said, the fans are great. I don't know why so many of them come to games when they've been bad for so long, but it's pretty impressive.''

Greinke never left the Royals because of their fan support. The salary was never a problem. It was just the team.


//Link
 
2012-07-09 03:48:43 PM  

roc6783: Mid_mo_mad_man: You Are All Sheep: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.

I guess I don't get this..being a Tiger fan and not following him much. What's up w/ that?

It's the way he left KC. On being traded he dissed the fans,ballpark,media and pretty much any thing to do with KC. Showed no class on the way out. Returned to play in KC during inter league play and keep it up. Even thou the fans were very respecting of him. Still beleave we got the better end of the trade.

Really?

"It was nice,'' Greinke said about the fan reaction, with hundreds wearing Greinke jerseys, "because I was pretty rude on the way out. I felt I had to in order to get out. I didn't want to be the bad guy, but I felt I had to be.

"But like I said, the fans are great. I don't know why so many of them come to games when they've been bad for so long, but it's pretty impressive.''

Greinke never left the Royals because of their fan support. The salary was never a problem. It was just the team.

//Link

You kinda proved my point about him not respecting the KC fan and being ungrateful for all afforded him
 
2012-07-09 04:17:31 PM  
i think the ump had to throw him out. throwing the ball was childish and embarrassment to everyone on the field. the umps, the opposition and the fans shouldn't have to put up with that. if you want to throw something, wait until you get to the dugout and go Brian Wilson on the Gatorade coolers, if you have to.
 
2012-07-09 04:36:07 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: roc6783: Mid_mo_mad_man: You Are All Sheep: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.

I guess I don't get this..being a Tiger fan and not following him much. What's up w/ that?

It's the way he left KC. On being traded he dissed the fans,ballpark,media and pretty much any thing to do with KC. Showed no class on the way out. Returned to play in KC during inter league play and keep it up. Even thou the fans were very respecting of him. Still beleave we got the better end of the trade.

Really?

"It was nice,'' Greinke said about the fan reaction, with hundreds wearing Greinke jerseys, "because I was pretty rude on the way out. I felt I had to in order to get out. I didn't want to be the bad guy, but I felt I had to be.

"But like I said, the fans are great. I don't know why so many of them come to games when they've been bad for so long, but it's pretty impressive.''

Greinke never left the Royals because of their fan support. The salary was never a problem. It was just the team.

//Link

You kinda proved my point about him not respecting the KC fan and being ungrateful for all afforded him


Are you reading something different in his comments? Sounds to me that he's actually paying the fans a compliment, that they're still loyal despite the team's problems.
 
2012-07-09 04:46:55 PM  

thoughtpol: i think the ump had to throw him out. throwing the ball was childish and embarrassment to everyone on the field. the umps, the opposition and the fans shouldn't have to put up with that. if you want to throw something, wait until you get to the dugout and go Brian Wilson on the Gatorade coolers, if you have to.


It was unprofessional, I guess. But hardly an embarrassment or an insult to everyone present. He gave up 2 hits, failed to cover first, and allowed a man to get on base who should have been out. All in 4 pitches. He was frustrated with himself, turned around and threw the ball to the ground in disgust. Big deal. How is it really any worse than a batter breaking a bat over his knee or throwing his batting helmet down when he strikes out?
He didn't question the call or yell at the ump or blame anyone else. He was just mad at himself for playing poorly.A better ump would have given him a warning and sent him back to the mound.
 
2012-07-09 04:50:42 PM  
Video's offline. :-(
 
2012-07-09 04:50:55 PM  

thoughtpol: i think the ump had to throw him out. throwing the ball was childish and embarrassment to everyone on the field. the umps, the opposition and the fans shouldn't have to put up with that. if you want to throw something, wait until you get to the dugout and go Brian Wilson on the Gatorade coolers, if you have to you're on the mound, rare back and paint the corners.


FTFY

I am sorta' rooting for Brewer fail. The way the season has gone so far, the Texas rotation might benefit from a rented arm like Greinke's in the post season, but not if he's clubouse cancer.
 
2012-07-09 05:49:47 PM  

nein: Mid_mo_mad_man: roc6783: Mid_mo_mad_man: You Are All Sheep: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.

I guess I don't get this..being a Tiger fan and not following him much. What's up w/ that?

It's the way he left KC. On being traded he dissed the fans,ballpark,media and pretty much any thing to do with KC. Showed no class on the way out. Returned to play in KC during inter league play and keep it up. Even thou the fans were very respecting of him. Still beleave we got the better end of the trade.

Really?

"It was nice,'' Greinke said about the fan reaction, with hundreds wearing Greinke jerseys, "because I was pretty rude on the way out. I felt I had to in order to get out. I didn't want to be the bad guy, but I felt I had to be.

"But like I said, the fans are great. I don't know why so many of them come to games when they've been bad for so long, but it's pretty impressive.''

Greinke never left the Royals because of their fan support. The salary was never a problem. It was just the team.

//Link

You kinda proved my point about him not respecting the KC fan and being ungrateful for all afforded him

Are you reading something different in his comments? Sounds to me that he's actually paying the fans a compliment, that they're still loyal despite the team's problems.


He sounds like a KC fan who refuses to admit the owners are the problem.
 
2012-07-09 05:52:48 PM  

steamingpile: nein: Mid_mo_mad_man: roc6783: Mid_mo_mad_man: You Are All Sheep: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.

I guess I don't get this..being a Tiger fan and not following him much. What's up w/ that?

It's the way he left KC. On being traded he dissed the fans,ballpark,media and pretty much any thing to do with KC. Showed no class on the way out. Returned to play in KC during inter league play and keep it up. Even thou the fans were very respecting of him. Still beleave we got the better end of the trade.

Really?

"It was nice,'' Greinke said about the fan reaction, with hundreds wearing Greinke jerseys, "because I was pretty rude on the way out. I felt I had to in order to get out. I didn't want to be the bad guy, but I felt I had to be.

"But like I said, the fans are great. I don't know why so many of them come to games when they've been bad for so long, but it's pretty impressive.''

Greinke never left the Royals because of their fan support. The salary was never a problem. It was just the team.

//Link

You kinda proved my point about him not respecting the KC fan and being ungrateful for all afforded him

Are you reading something different in his comments? Sounds to me that he's actually paying the fans a compliment, that they're still loyal despite the team's problems.

He sounds like a KC fan who refuses to admit the owners are the problem.


Holy shiat we agree on something!

The Royals do seem to be on a better track, investing in their prospects and whatnot, rather than dragging in corpses like Jose Guillen to make it look like they give a fark.
 
2012-07-09 06:19:58 PM  
Yet, another reason baseball is moving into obscurity. The baby boomers and old farts don't like baseball players showing emotion ... next thing you know the hot blooded latino players will be standing around admiring the homeruns they hit off our fine, upstanding, stoic white pitchers.
 
2012-07-09 07:16:48 PM  

Dafatone: Holy shiat we agree on something!


Im rather rational when Im not being an ass, its so rare though..........
 
2012-07-09 07:37:07 PM  
Fark off ESPN and AP. How about hiring an English speaker to write for your US website.

>>season-long nine-game losing streak
 
2012-07-09 07:40:53 PM  

SoundOfOneHandWanking: Fark off ESPN and AP. How about hiring an English speaker to write for your US website.

>>season-long nine-game losing streak


Why would they do that? Whoever that is clearly speaks fluent Merican!
 
2012-07-09 08:15:09 PM  
Devil's Advocate: I heard my local sports people saying "You don't want some kid in little league thinking it's OK or safe to act that way on the field." Hard to argue against that.
 
2012-07-09 08:38:08 PM  

Captain Steroid: Video's offline. :-(


Try this:

Link
 
2012-07-09 09:41:34 PM  

PowerSlacker: Mark Ratner: The ump is an idiot for tossing him out of the game for that. Lighten up, Francis.

The year century of the terrible umpire marches on.


FTFY
 
2012-07-09 09:46:24 PM  

steamingpile: nein: Mid_mo_mad_man: roc6783: Mid_mo_mad_man: You Are All Sheep: Mid_mo_mad_man: Mid_mo_mad_man: Zach never had any class. Hope this pushes him over the edge.

I guess I don't get this..being a Tiger fan and not following him much. What's up w/ that?

It's the way he left KC. On being traded he dissed the fans,ballpark,media and pretty much any thing to do with KC. Showed no class on the way out. Returned to play in KC during inter league play and keep it up. Even thou the fans were very respecting of him. Still beleave we got the better end of the trade.

Really?

"It was nice,'' Greinke said about the fan reaction, with hundreds wearing Greinke jerseys, "because I was pretty rude on the way out. I felt I had to in order to get out. I didn't want to be the bad guy, but I felt I had to be.

"But like I said, the fans are great. I don't know why so many of them come to games when they've been bad for so long, but it's pretty impressive.''

Greinke never left the Royals because of their fan support. The salary was never a problem. It was just the team.

//Link

You kinda proved my point about him not respecting the KC fan and being ungrateful for all afforded him

Are you reading something different in his comments? Sounds to me that he's actually paying the fans a compliment, that they're still loyal despite the team's problems.

He sounds like a KC fan who refuses to admit the owners are the problem.


No I know Glass is the biggest problem. That being said you can't see say there I have no idea while the fans are loyal? That's pretty shiatty to say
 
2012-07-09 09:48:33 PM  

roc6783: thecpt: Brett Lawrie knows your pain.

If I remember that story correctly, he threw his helmet AT the ump while swearing AT the ump. If I am wrong, please correct me.

sid244: A pitcher crying about a call? Say it isn't so....

[l.yimg.com image 630x474]

Welcome to the MLB.

/Good for the ump
//Grow up Greinke

Uhhh...he wasn't crying about the call, which is why his ejection was BS. Welcome to Fark?


Greinke is such a puss....should have got run. Welcome to adulthood.
 
2012-07-09 10:46:17 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: "But like I said, the fans are great. I don't know why so many of them come to games when they've been bad for so long, but it's pretty impressive.''

No I know Glass is the biggest problem. That being said you can't see say there I have no idea while the fans are loyal? That's pretty shiatty to say


It's pretty easy to translate what he said as, "The fans are great because a ton of them come to games even though the team sucks." In what universe is that a bad thing to say?
 
2012-07-10 01:12:16 AM  
UMP is a power tripping retard.

/he deserves a kick in the nuts.
 
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