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(1200 WOAI)   You'll be happy to know that the Department of Homeland Security is proud to have protected us from $29 million worth of Rolecks watches   (radio.woai.com) divider line 27
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-07-09 11:44:15 AM  
Good. Enforcing trademark law is part of their job.
 
2012-07-09 01:26:51 PM  
One of those watches was used to give a Homeland Security agent the wrong time.

I expect Representative Issa to initiate a full investigation.
 
2012-07-09 01:48:28 PM  
FTFA: "The shipment here has a retail value of $28.7 million if these watches would have been real," Uribe said.

Oh FFS.

"The bale of oregano has a retail value of a billion dollars if it would have been cocaine."
 
2012-07-09 01:51:51 PM  

vpb: Good. Enforcing trademark law is part of their job.


Why should it be the DHS job to enforce a TM of a corporation? Why should the public's dollars be used? Isn't it Rolex's responsibility to protect their own economic interests?
 
2012-07-09 01:55:07 PM  

MugzyBrown: vpb: Good. Enforcing trademark law is part of their job.

Why should it be the DHS job to enforce a TM of a corporation? Why should the public's dollars be used? Isn't it Rolex's responsibility to protect their own economic interests?


because that is how society works. what you are advocating is basically large scale vigilantism.
 
2012-07-09 01:57:53 PM  
because that is how society works. what you are advocating is basically large scale vigilantism.

Not really. Rolex could just sue those who are selling false watches under their name... kinda like how other similar issues are handled.
 
2012-07-09 02:03:41 PM  
The enormous "value" assigned to the bust is a smokescreen. They found 1120 watches according to TFA. That's not that many. It's just a little more than a little pile of watches eleven wide, ten deep, and ten high. You could stack the entire stash on a dinner table and still have room for three people to eat dinner.

Good job on your little tiny pile of fake watches that someone was going to sell for $20 a shot at a street market somewhere in Mexico!
 
2012-07-09 02:10:52 PM  

Miss Nova: The enormous "value" assigned to the bust is a smokescreen. They found 1120 watches according to TFA. That's not that many. It's just a little more than a little pile of watches eleven wide, ten deep, and ten high. You could stack the entire stash on a dinner table and still have room for three people to eat dinner.

Good job on your little tiny pile of fake watches that someone was going to sell for $20 a shot at a street market somewhere in Mexico!


Think of all of the lives saved. Good job boys!
 
2012-07-09 02:17:23 PM  

MugzyBrown: because that is how society works. what you are advocating is basically large scale vigilantism.

Not really. Rolex could just sue those who are selling false watches under their name... kinda like how other similar issues are handled.


Rolex doesn't have the authority to seize the property that would cause them economic harm. DHS does.
 
2012-07-09 02:18:36 PM  

MugzyBrown: vpb: Good. Enforcing trademark law is part of their job.

Why should it be the DHS job to enforce a TM of a corporation? Why should the public's dollars be used? Isn't it Rolex's responsibility to protect their own economic interests?


Even most staunch libertarians agree that the Federal Government has the power to control imports and exports. Note that the government isn't going after people within the country selling knock-offs, simply policing it's borders for potential fraud.
 
2012-07-09 02:25:13 PM  
Rolex doesn't have the authority to seize the property that would cause them economic harm. DHS does.

I didn't say they don't have the authority. The problem is they do have the authority.

Who is being harmed by these fake watches?

The potential consumer? Is anybody buying a watch from a dude in the street really thinking they're buying a Rolex? If they do, they think they're buying a stolen Rolex.

I'd even argue Rolex isn't even being harmed. Is the consumer for a fake Rolex a real possible consumer for a real Rolex?

It's just a waste of public resources for the marginal benefit of a business.
 
2012-07-09 02:30:24 PM  
They are taking cop drug math to the Nth degree.

If they find 100 watches that sorta/kinda look like $200,000 watches but are being sold for $50 each, they claim to find $20 million in watches?
 
2012-07-09 03:09:16 PM  
OK, just don't mess with out buttsecks!
 
2012-07-09 03:09:54 PM  

MugzyBrown: Rolex doesn't have the authority to seize the property that would cause them economic harm. DHS does.

I didn't say they don't have the authority. The problem is they do have the authority.

Who is being harmed by these fake watches?

The potential consumer? Is anybody buying a watch from a dude in the street really thinking they're buying a Rolex? If they do, they think they're buying a stolen Rolex.

I'd even argue Rolex isn't even being harmed. Is the consumer for a fake Rolex a real possible consumer for a real Rolex?

It's just a waste of public resources for the marginal benefit of a business.


Yeah - and let that shipment of fake pharmaceuticals through too. Let those cancer patients contact the supplier and sue the importers. Let the business protect it's own interests.

/yes that's a wild departure from watches but it's the same line of thinking.
 
2012-07-09 03:26:44 PM  

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Yeah - and let that shipment of fake pharmaceuticals through too. Let those cancer patients contact the supplier and sue the importers. Let the business protect it's own interests.


What pharmacy is buying pharmaceuticals from a mysterious source?
 
2012-07-09 03:35:13 PM  
TFA: "I think most any person would have been able to determine that this wasn't really a $28,000 watch,"

Pshh.

28K? I thought all us Farkers had $87,000 watches:

images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com

/Well, that's what the customer says it looks like.
 
2012-07-09 03:40:32 PM  

SuperT: MugzyBrown: vpb: Good. Enforcing trademark law is part of their job.

Why should it be the DHS job to enforce a TM of a corporation? Why should the public's dollars be used? Isn't it Rolex's responsibility to protect their own economic interests?

because that is how society works. what you are advocating is basically large scale vigilantism.


They have our legal system for redress. TM enforcement is not a law enforcement issue.
 
2012-07-09 03:40:40 PM  

MugzyBrown: detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Yeah - and let that shipment of fake pharmaceuticals through too. Let those cancer patients contact the supplier and sue the importers. Let the business protect it's own interests.

What pharmacy is buying pharmaceuticals from a mysterious source?


You know how I know you've never worked in Mexico?

/spent 6 months in Hermosillo doing work for Ford and a few in Saltillo for GM, things run "differently" down there
 
2012-07-09 04:18:02 PM  

Petit_Merdeux: FTFA: "The shipment here has a retail value of $28.7 million if these watches would have been real," Uribe said.

Oh FFS.

"The bale of oregano has a retail value of a billion dollars if it would have been cocaine."


Went in fully expecting to see that inflated street value shiat, same as they do with the "War on Drugs." It's sad when the moment you say that you've accomplished something that people not only know you're full of shiat, but know how you are trying to pull the wool over their eyes.
 
2012-07-09 04:20:36 PM  
I think my Bullova watch may be suspect.
 
2012-07-09 05:09:28 PM  
I am a man style. Nothing but a genuine Rolodex I picked up from some guy on the Vegas Strip.
 
2012-07-09 05:25:52 PM  
I love my Ormega watch.
 
2012-07-09 05:29:38 PM  
Y'all got nothing on my TOG Heeueeeer.
 
2012-07-09 06:01:00 PM  

MugzyBrown: vpb: Good. Enforcing trademark law is part of their job.

Why should it be the DHS job to enforce a TM of a corporation? Why should the public's dollars be used? Isn't it Rolex's responsibility to protect their own economic interests?


Came here to say this. Using law enforcement to police trademark infringement is a waste of public resources - this is a civil matter, that belongs in civil court, with investigations funded solely by the trademark holders.

/They should have to pay court costs, too.
 
2012-07-10 01:31:18 AM  

MugzyBrown: Rolex doesn't have the authority to seize the property that would cause them economic harm. DHS does.

I didn't say they don't have the authority. The problem is they do have the authority.

Who is being harmed by these fake watches?

The potential consumer? Is anybody buying a watch from a dude in the street really thinking they're buying a Rolex? If they do, they think they're buying a stolen Rolex.

I'd even argue Rolex isn't even being harmed. Is the consumer for a fake Rolex a real possible consumer for a real Rolex?

It's just a waste of public resources for the marginal benefit of a business.


I don't think they are harmed by loss of sales by direct loss to these fakes, for the reason you stated. I think they could argue that fake product bearing their name can harm them by damaging their reputation, which can lead to loss of sales down the road. It could also lead (much less significant damage here) to wasted labor when some dumbass brings it in for free service thinking that a trained Rolex technician is dumb enough to actually fix this piece of crap without realizing it's fake, then trying to argue that it's real with the employee that tells him it's fake. You don't even want someone like that to step into your store when you sell watches for 4-5 figures, probably 6 figures for the occasional custom piece.
 
2012-07-10 09:21:46 AM  
So watches were blinged out cellphones minus Facebook that you strapped to your wrist, right? Except you couldn't send texts on them either.

/lol old people are weird
 
2012-07-10 10:57:40 AM  

ftfa:

Uribe didn't know if the watches were intended to be sold to Mexican drug kingpins, but drug cartel leaders are known to covet flashy and expensive items.


Are they drug cartel leaders or vermin that tip over my garbage cans at night?

images.cheezburger.com
 
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