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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Katie Holmes is Scientology's "biggest nightmare"   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 109
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2012-07-09 01:02:48 PM  

Ashtrey: xanadian: Katie Holmes is Anonymous? Huh. Never would've guessed.

Anonymous doesn't generate the pageviews of a C list actress divorcing an A list actor. Sure we internet dwellers follow stories on Anonymous but Real Americans watch Inside Edition.


speaking of Real Americans and the tabloids.... there may be truth to the rumor after all that Scientology had Ted Casablancas fired from E! after he fked up a blind (intentionally? accidentally? who knows) about Tom Cruise and Jeremy Renner. He claimed that Katie was upset Suri saw Tom and Jeremy in bed together, and that was one of the final pushes to divorce.

Me, I don't know why a woman would marry a gay man in the first place. He's gay, he's not interested in anything you have to offer, and the kids should be gently told the truth about Mommy, Daddy and Uncle. If the adults don't make a big deal, the kids won't think it's a big deal. Apparently, Katie thought it was a big deal, though.

But Tom and Jeremy shouldn't have gotten a man fired over it.
 
2012-07-09 01:05:24 PM  
Katie was also upset that David Miscavige tagged along on their Honeymoon.
 
2012-07-09 01:09:31 PM  

blunttrauma: L. Ron Hubbard is was a shiatty Science Fiction writer. That is all.


FIFY
 
2012-07-09 01:16:06 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: Katie was also upset that David Miscavige tagged along on their Honeymoon.



Can't blame her for resenting an impromptu threesome on her wedding night.
 
2012-07-09 01:18:00 PM  

Apos: ThatBillmanGuy: Katie was also upset that David Miscavige tagged along on their Honeymoon.


Can't blame her for resenting an impromptu threesome on her wedding night.


Well, that wasn't so much a threesome as her watching Tom and David going at it like two cats in heat.
 
2012-07-09 01:19:08 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Apos: ThatBillmanGuy: Katie was also upset that David Miscavige tagged along on their Honeymoon.


Can't blame her for resenting an impromptu threesome on her wedding night.

Well, that wasn't so much a threesome as her watching Tom and David going at it like two cats in heat.


Quite true.
 
2012-07-09 01:27:27 PM  

BeatrixK: zappaisfrank: I've hated Tom Cruise ever since he got with Nicole Kidman. Something about seeing a tall, gorgeous woman with some sawed off little pipsqueak like him that just makes me all stabby..

/tall guy who hates seeing tall women with short guys

See, for me, the Cruise hate has always been kinda on the backburner: I never got what my girlfriends saw in him. I remember having to spend Friday nights seeing Risky Business just because I got outvoted on which movie we'd see. Ugh!

It went to full-scale loathing once he went on his anti-psychology/drug rant. How farking DARE he speak as an 'expert' on post-partum depression. Seriously just sent me into a vortex of hate for him, and while I fully realize that my disdain for this little mutant man doesn't even register the most microscopic of blips in the universe's 'Top Bajillion concerns for the day' chart...I won't pay to see his movies. If I am outnumbered on my group's movie nights, If he is in it, I buy a ticket to another movie, and roll my eyes at his laughable attempts at emoting. (I've read that his contracts all contain payment clauses of a percentage of box office, and I'll be damned if I give that weaselly little worm one dime towards spouting more of his anti-psychology herp-a-derp.)

It also doesn't help him that I will NEVER, EVER get my life back that was lost sitting through Eyes Wide Shut.


I think my hatred of him stems from me being a tall person and having to have dealt with so many short guys and their "short guy's disease" bullshiat. I'm 6'7" and have had more than my share of these sawed off pipsqueaks with a big fat chip on their shoulder thinking they're going to prove themselves somehow by picking a fight with a big guy. I get those same vibes whenever I see Cruise. Combine that with the fact that I've known so many tall beautiful women with shrimpo boyfriends who boss them around all the time.

I'm with you on the $cientology crap. I would love nothing more than someone from the IRS to grow a pair and take these people on once and for all. The fact that they were permitted to basically manhandle our government is extremely offensive to me.
 
2012-07-09 01:29:24 PM  

PizzaJedi81: Apos: ThatBillmanGuy: Katie was also upset that David Miscavige tagged along on their Honeymoon.


Can't blame her for resenting an impromptu threesome on her wedding night.

Well, that wasn't so much a threesome as her watching Tom and David going at it like two cats in heat.


This.
 
2012-07-09 01:35:02 PM  
Apparently...they've already settled: Scientology breathes a sigh of relief: Link

Seriously...I've had cases of Coke last longer than this took from filing to settling. She had to have vids.
 
2012-07-09 01:51:55 PM  

BeatrixK: Apparently...they've already settled: Scientology breathes a sigh of relief: Link

Seriously...I've had cases of Coke last longer than this took from filing to settling. She had to have vids.


$cientology wanted her to keep her mouth shut, and since whacking her wasn't an option they took the next available path of least resistance. I'll bet she stays mum about them like Kidman and Little Tommy gets very limited access to Suri.
 
2012-07-09 01:56:15 PM  

zappaisfrank: $cientology wanted her to keep her mouth shut, and since whacking her wasn't an option they took the next available path of least resistance. I'll bet she stays mum about them like Kidman and Little Tommy gets very limited access to Suri.


And a nice cash settlement, I'm sure. That's right Katie. You could have blown the whistle on the whole operation but you had to sell out like everyone else.
 
2012-07-09 02:01:18 PM  
I suspect Suri will be kidnapped somehow before she hits 16.
 
2012-07-09 02:06:18 PM  

Mugato: zappaisfrank: $cientology wanted her to keep her mouth shut, and since whacking her wasn't an option they took the next available path of least resistance. I'll bet she stays mum about them like Kidman and Little Tommy gets very limited access to Suri.

And a nice cash settlement, I'm sure. That's right Katie. You could have blown the whistle on the whole operation but you had to sell out like everyone else.


Pretty much this. I understand her wanting to protect her daughter, so I can't really blame her for this outcome. But think of all the poor people who are still stuck on that nightmare, on the rehabilitation project force, in the hole, whatever... And all those families that have been forcibly disconnected. Their best hope to get their lives back is gone now. But expecting any other outcome was silly. Of course Katie was gonna settle. But man, to see Scientology taken down...
 
2012-07-09 02:10:10 PM  
And now, Shelly Miscavige's disappearance will get swept back under the rug again, as well.
 
2012-07-09 02:10:40 PM  

BeatrixK: It also doesn't help him that I will NEVER, EVER get my life back that was lost sitting through Eyes Wide Shut.


THIS! That movie was so terrible I think it gave me cancer. I kept hoping it would redeem itself somehow, but it was terrible right to the very end. And not in a "MST3K-worthy" way, but more of a "I'd eat a bag of broken glass before watching it again" way.
 
2012-07-09 02:12:36 PM  
Granted, there was a pretty solid prenup going in...but it sure seems like she had to have gotten a blank check in return for mum's-the-word silence on CoS and Tommy's batshiat craziness. (Gay, straight or bi is irrelevant: Given that period a few years ago without professional 'handlers', I got the sense that he was going 'Full Cruise'. You never go 'Full Cruise'. She had a front row seat to what must have been pants-crapping crazy.)
 
2012-07-09 02:15:58 PM  
Holly crap! Here I was thinking life will suck at 35 but it looks like life is pretty fab when you hit your 40s.
 
2012-07-09 02:26:11 PM  

Mega Steve: BeatrixK: It also doesn't help him that I will NEVER, EVER get my life back that was lost sitting through Eyes Wide Shut.

THIS! That movie was so terrible I think it gave me cancer. I kept hoping it would redeem itself somehow, but it was terrible right to the very end. And not in a "MST3K-worthy" way, but more of a "I'd eat a bag of broken glass before watching it again" way.


Yeah but Kubrick can sure cast a great supporting cast of tits. I have no idea WTF that movie was supposed to be about but that movie had the largest collection of awesome racks I've seen in a mainstream film.
 
2012-07-09 02:29:28 PM  

blunttrauma: L. Ron Hubbard is dead. He was a schlocky Science Fiction writer. That is all.


FTFY
 
2012-07-09 02:34:47 PM  
BeatrixK:

It also doesn't help him that I will NEVER, EVER get my life back that was lost sitting through Eyes Wide Shut.


The ONLY redeeming thing about that movie was naked Nicole Kidman. That is all.
 
2012-07-09 02:35:39 PM  
Since the beginning of 2012 The Village Voice has been running various pieces on Scientology. Here is the Link to the CoS version of marriage counseling.
 
2012-07-09 02:37:23 PM  

Mugato: Mega Steve: BeatrixK: It also doesn't help him that I will NEVER, EVER get my life back that was lost sitting through Eyes Wide Shut.

THIS! That movie was so terrible I think it gave me cancer. I kept hoping it would redeem itself somehow, but it was terrible right to the very end. And not in a "MST3K-worthy" way, but more of a "I'd eat a bag of broken glass before watching it again" way.

Yeah but Kubrick can sure cast a great supporting cast of tits. I have no idea WTF that movie was supposed to be about but that movie had the largest collection of awesome racks I've seen in a mainstream film.


That could be why I found no redeeming value: As a chick, great ta-tas don't interest me. Owning some myself, I can respect a great set of them, granted: But I don't find enough value in them to redeem a magnificent crapfest such as EWS.
 
2012-07-09 02:48:56 PM  

Dr.Zom: . If Miscavige goes down there's a good chance Cruise will be running the whole thing, and as we know from his films, he likes running.


Poster for his latest movie...

i865.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-09 03:00:56 PM  

Maud Dib: Dr.Zom: . If Miscavige goes down there's a good chance Cruise will be running the whole thing, and as we know from his films, he likes running.

Poster for his latest movie...

[i865.photobucket.com image 640x419]


Except, Tom Cruise usually only shows the right side of his face on his movie posters.
 
2012-07-09 03:08:47 PM  

Maud Dib: Dr.Zom: . If Miscavige goes down there's a good chance Cruise will be running the whole thing, and as we know from his films, he likes running.

Poster for his latest movie...

[i865.photobucket.com image 640x419]


You know what would be cool? Coming up with Cruise flicks in which he didn't -or couldn't-pump his little Thetan legs for dear life.


I'll start: Born On The Fourth Of July
 
2012-07-09 03:11:22 PM  

BeatrixK: That could be why I found no redeeming value: As a chick, great ta-tas don't interest me


Yeah they do. Just a little? Here, drink this....

Yeah though, boobies do not redeem a bad film. Not a 3 hour $100 mill film by a great director anyway. Even if I had one explanation of what it was about it would be one thing.
 
2012-07-09 03:11:44 PM  

zappaisfrank: I've hated Tom Cruise ever since he got with Nicole Kidman. Something about seeing a tall, gorgeous woman with some sawed off little pipsqueak like him that just makes me all stabby..

/tall guy who hates seeing tall women with short guys


They're both actors. That's why. In film, they try to have the actors be roughly the same height so that they can have greater versatility in shooting. It's not easy doing a zoom out from two actors with fiery dialogue when one is six inches taller than the other. Tall women and short men in Hollyweird. Never gonna change.
 
2012-07-09 03:13:46 PM  
Every time I think I can't possibly read about something more insane that Scientology and its leader Miscavige has done, I get proven wrong. Miscavige's wife who has been missing for 6 years, how until a FBI drone flew overhead he kept disfavored Scientology execs locked in a room and forced to sleep on the floor and eat mush for years on end, how he apparently beats the hell out of people who piss him off and they just take it, the crazy just goes on and on.

These aren't rumors, these are things that are corroborated by multiple high-ranking ex-Scientologists.
 
2012-07-09 03:13:54 PM  

Apos: You know what would be cool? Coming up with Cruise flicks in which he didn't -or couldn't-pump his little Thetan legs for dear life.


Collateral. I don't care if the little bastard worships Kali, he was badass in that. More Michael Mann's direction actually but still.
 
2012-07-09 03:20:54 PM  

Mugato: Apos: You know what would be cool? Coming up with Cruise flicks in which he didn't -or couldn't-pump his little Thetan legs for dear life.

Collateral. I don't care if the little bastard worships Kali, he was badass in that. More Michael Mann's direction actually but still.


Good choice. FANTASTIC film. Cruise is at his best when he plays against type IMO.
 
2012-07-09 03:30:07 PM  

Apos: Mugato: Apos: You know what would be cool? Coming up with Cruise flicks in which he didn't -or couldn't-pump his little Thetan legs for dear life.

Collateral. I don't care if the little bastard worships Kali, he was badass in that. More Michael Mann's direction actually but still.

Good choice. FANTASTIC film. Cruise is at his best when he plays against type IMO.


snarkerati.com

IMO his best role ever. Took me half the movie to even realize it was him.
 
2012-07-09 03:33:43 PM  

scottydoesntknow: Apos: Mugato: Apos: You know what would be cool? Coming up with Cruise flicks in which he didn't -or couldn't-pump his little Thetan legs for dear life.

Collateral. I don't care if the little bastard worships Kali, he was badass in that. More Michael Mann's direction actually but still.

Good choice. FANTASTIC film. Cruise is at his best when he plays against type IMO.

[snarkerati.com image 500x352]

IMO his best role ever. Took me half the movie to even realize it was him.


Another inspired choice. And yeah,he was outstanding.
 
2012-07-09 04:17:05 PM  

blunttrauma: L. Ron Hubbard is a Science Fiction writer. That is all.


Even more interesting he created the whole thing as a bet he could make loads of money conning people into believing in a religion. He certainly won that bet.
 
2012-07-09 04:42:11 PM  

limeyfellow: blunttrauma: L. Ron Hubbard is a Science Fiction writer. That is all.

Even more interesting he created the whole thing as a bet he could make loads of money conning people into believing in a religion. He certainly won that bet.


Tom Cruise is currently Hollywood's highest paid actor. Think how much money he gives to the church.
 
2012-07-09 05:13:45 PM  

BeatrixK: It also doesn't help him that I will NEVER, EVER get my life back that was lost sitting through Eyes Wide Shut.


Well, they did have to severely CGI in apparent people standing in front to the good bits to tone the rating down to R. So you could blame the MPAA if you wanted to.

/unless you were there for plot instead of boobage. if so, never mind
 
2012-07-09 05:22:26 PM  
If something happens to Miscavige (which is unlikely to happen anytime soon), Cruise will probably take over Co$. But the problem is that Cruise actually believes in this sh*t.

Miscavige doesn't. Given his reputation for frequent outbursts and violent anger, it's clear that DM doesn't practice Scientology. But he gets a pass for it because he's DM.

Cruise taking control of CoS might be the best thing to happen to Scientology. I think Cruise is ultimately a good guy that's been brainwashed by a cult. Miscavige is not a good guy. Hubbard was not a good guy. I think Cruise can bring a sense of heart to Scientology. Make it less evil. Cruise is not himself malicious. He just believes wholeheartedly in Scientology. But with people like Miscavige manipulating him, nothing good will come of it.

When DM's gone, Cruise will either become the new head or bolt completely. Right now, though, DM's got him by the balls...and he's not letting go.
 
2012-07-09 05:28:52 PM  

Vlad_the_Inaner: BeatrixK: It also doesn't help him that I will NEVER, EVER get my life back that was lost sitting through Eyes Wide Shut.

Well, they did have to severely CGI in apparent people standing in front to the good bits to tone the rating down to R. So you could blame the MPAA if you wanted to.

/unless you were there for plot instead of boobage. if so, never mind


Well,I showed up for both-and left,seething and unfulfilled. And of course,Kubrick croaked before he had a chance to redeem himself. :(
 
2012-07-09 05:41:41 PM  

shivashakti: If something happens to Miscavige (which is unlikely to happen anytime soon), Cruise will probably take over Co$. But the problem is that Cruise actually believes in this sh*t.

Miscavige doesn't. Given his reputation for frequent outbursts and violent anger, it's clear that DM doesn't practice Scientology. But he gets a pass for it because he's DM.

Cruise taking control of CoS might be the best thing to happen to Scientology. I think Cruise is ultimately a good guy that's been brainwashed by a cult. Miscavige is not a good guy. Hubbard was not a good guy. I think Cruise can bring a sense of heart to Scientology. Make it less evil. Cruise is not himself malicious. He just believes wholeheartedly in Scientology. But with people like Miscavige manipulating him, nothing good will come of it.

When DM's gone, Cruise will either become the new head or bolt completely. Right now, though, DM's got him by the balls...and he's not letting go.


However, Cruise would have to be completely blind not to see the evil going on around him. He gets gifts all the time, including slave labor that worked to remodel his airplane hanger if I recall correctly. How can he not know how the people are treated? He most likely condones everything because of the need to "clear the planet."
 
2012-07-09 05:49:54 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: However, Cruise would have to be completely blind not to see the evil going on around him. He gets gifts all the time, including slave labor that worked to remodel his airplane hanger if I recall correctly. How can he not know how the people are treated? He most likely condones everything because of the need to "clear the planet."


I think you're blind to a lot of things once you drink the Kool-Aid.
 
2012-07-09 05:55:55 PM  

shivashakti: If something happens to Miscavige (which is unlikely to happen anytime soon), Cruise will probably take over Co$. But the problem is that Cruise actually believes in this sh*t.


I could've sworn I remember hearing that he had a major freak out when he initially heard exactly what Scientologists actually believe (Xenu and thetans and all that) and the CoS had to pay him big bucks to keep him as their #1 spokesman. Granted, I can't find anything online to back that up right now, but it's something I've heard.
 
2012-07-09 05:59:21 PM  

BeatrixK: It also doesn't help him that I will NEVER, EVER get my life back that was lost sitting through Eyes Wide Shut.


You would have really hated his planned sequel called Blind Ignorance.
 
2012-07-09 06:02:52 PM  

scottydoesntknow: shivashakti: If something happens to Miscavige (which is unlikely to happen anytime soon), Cruise will probably take over Co$. But the problem is that Cruise actually believes in this sh*t.

I could've sworn I remember hearing that he had a major freak out when he initially heard exactly what Scientologists actually believe (Xenu and thetans and all that) and the CoS had to pay him big bucks to keep him as their #1 spokesman. Granted, I can't find anything online to back that up right now, but it's something I've heard.


I heard something similar. That Tom Cruise had distanced himself from CoS upon learning about Xenu, but when he divorced Nicole, he needed something to fill the void and went full retard back into Scientology.
 
2012-07-09 06:05:52 PM  

scottydoesntknow: I could've sworn I remember hearing that he had a major freak out when he initially heard exactly what Scientologists actually believe (Xenu and thetans and all that) and the CoS had to pay him big bucks to keep him as their #1 spokesman. Granted, I can't find anything online to back that up right now, but it's something I've heard.


I'm not sure how true that is... I've heard the same thing. But it's probably of a dubious source. It's not surprising, though, considering OT III.
 
2012-07-09 06:58:53 PM  

Apos: ThatBillmanGuy: Katie was also upset that David Miscavige tagged along on their Honeymoon.


Can't blame her for resenting an impromptu threesome on her wedding night.


She's female. She was more like a Third Wheel. If David could have married Tommy instead of Shelly, or pulled a Mormon thang and married both of them, he would have. It's just that gay.

(I think David is a victim in all this, too, given how farked up sea org is and how they fark up kids like David and Shelly's heads, but he has no right presiding over killings and imprisonments. I think David Miscavige is the Jerry Sandusky here. Victims becoming victimizers.)
 
2012-07-09 07:00:44 PM  

ThatBillmanGuy: scottydoesntknow: shivashakti: If something happens to Miscavige (which is unlikely to happen anytime soon), Cruise will probably take over Co$. But the problem is that Cruise actually believes in this sh*t.

I could've sworn I remember hearing that he had a major freak out when he initially heard exactly what Scientologists actually believe (Xenu and thetans and all that) and the CoS had to pay him big bucks to keep him as their #1 spokesman. Granted, I can't find anything online to back that up right now, but it's something I've heard.

I heard something similar. That Tom Cruise had distanced himself from CoS upon learning about Xenu, but when he divorced Nicole, he needed something to fill the void and went full retard back into Scientology.


that sounds like what went down. but why scientology? dude's catholic. he wanted to be a priest. what did scientology offer that.. i don't know.,. buddhism didn't offer?
 
2012-07-09 07:05:29 PM  

shivashakti: If something happens to Miscavige (which is unlikely to happen anytime soon), Cruise will probably take over Co$. But the problem is that Cruise actually believes in this sh*t.

Miscavige doesn't. Given his reputation for frequent outbursts and violent anger, it's clear that DM doesn't practice Scientology. But he gets a pass for it because he's DM.

Cruise taking control of CoS might be the best thing to happen to Scientology. I think Cruise is ultimately a good guy that's been brainwashed by a cult. Miscavige is not a good guy. Hubbard was not a good guy. I think Cruise can bring a sense of heart to Scientology. Make it less evil. Cruise is not himself malicious. He just believes wholeheartedly in Scientology. But with people like Miscavige manipulating him, nothing good will come of it.

When DM's gone, Cruise will either become the new head or bolt completely. Right now, though, DM's got him by the balls...and he's not letting go.


I'd vote for bolt. Him and Miscavige have a 'special' relationship, even if it wasn't sexual. If Miscavige is disposed of, what will there in Scientology for Tom? He can barely explain it when asked about it in public. Dude's got some serious issues going down. With this talk of his not really being into it when he was with Nicole..... maybe he was never a true believer, and was only in it because it made him feel special, but if he were treated like everyone else who has to work for it, instead of like a Messiah meant to be The Face of Scientology, he'd drop it instead of being the best Scientologist who ever Scientologisted?
 
2012-07-09 07:26:18 PM  

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Apos: ThatBillmanGuy: Katie was also upset that David Miscavige tagged along on their Honeymoon.


Can't blame her for resenting an impromptu threesome on her wedding night.

She's female. She was more like a Third Wheel. If David could have married Tommy instead of Shelly, or pulled a Mormon thang and married both of them, he would have. It's just that gay.

(I think David is a victim in all this, too, given how farked up sea org is and how they fark up kids like David and Shelly's heads, but he has no right presiding over killings and imprisonments. I think David Miscavige is the Jerry Sandusky here. Victims becoming victimizers.)


Hmmm...That's an interesting take on the situation.
 
2012-07-09 07:29:20 PM  

Mega Steve: BeatrixK: It also doesn't help him that I will NEVER, EVER get my life back that was lost sitting through Eyes Wide Shut.

THIS! That movie was so terrible I think it gave me cancer. I kept hoping it would redeem itself somehow, but it was terrible right to the very end. And not in a "MST3K-worthy" way, but more of a "I'd eat a bag of broken glass before watching it again" way.


That's the only movie in my life where I actually got up and walked out.
 
2012-07-09 07:48:47 PM  
It would be hilarious to see her publicly gut the whole delusional cult charade, but it's more than likely that she signed all kinds of legal documents that will prevent her from doing so. Ever.
 
2012-07-09 08:03:59 PM  
My gawd she was hot.
Now she's just a defiled husk.

So sad.
 
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