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(Yahoo)   Pakistan's late Nobel-winning physicist who predicted the Higgs particle is a national hero. Just kidding; he's been erased from their textbooks for not being Islamic enough   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 87
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2012-07-09 06:28:29 AM  
6 votes:

miss diminutive: Enjoy your scientific, intellectual and technological dark age, you fundamentalist wingnuts.


Don't get too proud there.

The LHC has allowed mankind to expand its knowledge of the universe while here in the US we're still debating evolution in science curricula.

How can we expect progress in this country when political forces are actively destabilizing education so that the sheep keep them in power to protect them from "intellectual elitists"?
2012-07-09 02:46:55 AM  
6 votes:
This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia
2012-07-09 07:55:02 AM  
5 votes:

doglover: SoothinglyDeranged: This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia


Yes, blame all religions. Giovanni Caselli, Rene Descartes, Michael Faraday, and Issac Newton were all worthless and contributed nothing to the world because of their religious practices. Oh wait, the opposite of that.

Religion is like a sport for your mind. A Buddhist monk can focus on one thing so powerfully he doesn't even make a peep if you light him on fire with gasoline. I doubt most people could give themselves a blister on the stove while meditating without crying out in pain. Other religions have their merit, as well.

The problem isn't religion as a whole, but rather the people who take it too seriously. Just like everything else, moderation is the key. The Muslims in America are the guys who show up in the jerseys and root for the home team. The Muslims in Pakistan are the guys who start the football riots where people die. They need a serious dose of lighten the fark up in their lives.


If the buddist monk did not take his religion seriously, and only in moderation as you suggest, there is no way he would be able to take the pain of being lit on fire in your example.

The problem isn't whether or not you take religion in moderation, or if you are a die hard religious nut. The problem with our planet is how we treat each other. That's it. If we can learn to respect others, no matter what they believe, no matter where they come from, who they date etc, we will become better people. Until then, we're doomed to the cycle of fighting over bullshiat things.

/Respect is often talked about, and demanded, but rarely shown
2012-07-09 05:08:28 AM  
5 votes:
Enjoy your scientific, intellectual and technological dark age, you fundamentalist wingnuts.
2012-07-09 02:04:40 AM  
5 votes:
India moves forward. Pakistan backwards. Pakistan is moving to resolve the India-Pakistan competition/conflict, and not in the way that favors Pakistan at all. India is moving to be a 21st Century power while Pakistan is moving toward being a Stone Age mess.
2012-07-09 09:50:59 AM  
4 votes:
Neil deGrasse Tyson made a chilling point about fundamentalism.

The Arabs' names for 2/3rds of the stars, not to mention algebra and many other innovations, are used to this day because Islam was the center for scientific and cultural enlightenment for 300 years. People came in from all over the world (read: immigration) and discovered shiat (science). Then an "Intelligent Design" nutbag took over and the region hasn't recovered in NINE HUNDRED YEARS.

Science: It works, biatches.
2012-07-09 07:12:44 AM  
4 votes:

RatOmeter: Who was the dimwit who first said "god particle"? They need a good shin kicking.


I'd imagine he did it for the trollolols... we can at least prove that the Higgs Boson exists to a five sigma certainty... I'd wager that we can't yet do the same for God.
2012-07-09 06:53:05 AM  
4 votes:

doglover: SoothinglyDeranged: This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia


Yes, blame all religions. Giovanni Caselli, Rene Descartes, Michael Faraday, and Issac Newton were all worthless and contributed nothing to the world because of their religious practices. Oh wait, the opposite of that.

Religion is like a sport for your mind. A Buddhist monk can focus on one thing so powerfully he doesn't even make a peep if you light him on fire with gasoline. I doubt most people could give themselves a blister on the stove while meditating without crying out in pain. Other religions have their merit, as well.

The problem isn't religion as a whole, but rather the people who take it too seriously. Just like everything else, moderation is the key. The Muslims in America are the guys who show up in the jerseys and root for the home team. The Muslims in Pakistan are the guys who start the football riots where people die. They need a serious dose of lighten the fark up in their lives.


I am pretty sure that monk woudl fall intot he "take it too seriously" category.
2012-07-09 06:42:02 AM  
4 votes:

doglover: Yes, blame all religions. Giovanni Caselli, Rene Descartes, Michael Faraday, and Issac Newton were all worthless and contributed nothing to the world because of their religious practices. Oh wait, the opposite of that.


You not think good. He not say that. He say religion persecute some people, not religious people contribute nothing.
Think better next time.
2012-07-09 06:31:04 AM  
4 votes:

NewportBarGuy: You can't recognize scientific genius because you're pants-on-head-retarded from a miserable, ignorant part of the planet that hasn't progressed a single day in the past 2,500 years? That makes me very sad.


FTFY.
2012-07-09 07:54:52 AM  
3 votes:

sithon: SoothinglyDeranged: This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia

Darwin could be added to that list.


Darwin wasn't persecuted. The Church of England certainly wasn't opposed to it - after all, he's one of only 6 non-royal people buried in Westminster Abbey. Obviously there were critics and debate which, while spirited, in the UK at least it did not descend to the kind of opposition we see in evangelicals today.
2012-07-09 07:25:00 AM  
3 votes:
Ever notice that countries that are "hell holes" are so due to conservative ideology, while more liberal and tolerant countries seem to be more advanced?
2012-07-09 07:07:23 AM  
3 votes:
As in every facet of human existence, asshats are the problem. Unfortunately, Pakistan seems to be about 90% asshat.
2012-07-09 07:03:46 AM  
3 votes:
Who cares about their history books? They're probably packed full of religiously slanted inaccuracies. Someday their entire culture will be a footnote in our own history books:

Pakistan: Drove themselves into the ground with religion.
2012-07-09 06:47:19 AM  
3 votes:

miss diminutive: lohphat: miss diminutive: Enjoy your scientific, intellectual and technological dark age, you fundamentalist wingnuts.

Don't get too proud there.

The LHC has allowed mankind to expand its knowledge of the universe while here in the US we're still debating evolution in science curricula.

How can we expect progress in this country when political forces are actively destabilizing education so that the sheep keep them in power to protect them from "intellectual elitists"?

Valid point, but I'm not American. Besides, this type of anti-science/anti-intellectualism certainly isn't restricted to muslim fundamentalists.


A good point.
I'm tired of ALL the fundies ruining it for the rest of us. We don't want any part of your raging hatred for 'others'.
2012-07-09 06:44:34 AM  
3 votes:

lohphat: How can we expect progress in this country when political forces are actively destabilizing education so that the sheep keep them in power to protect them from "intellectual elitists"?


You are giving them too much credit. It's not so much a cunning plan as it is that they are just farking idiots and are themselves afraid of knowledge.
2012-07-09 06:31:57 AM  
3 votes:

lohphat: miss diminutive: Enjoy your scientific, intellectual and technological dark age, you fundamentalist wingnuts.

Don't get too proud there.

The LHC has allowed mankind to expand its knowledge of the universe while here in the US we're still debating evolution in science curricula.

How can we expect progress in this country when political forces are actively destabilizing education so that the sheep keep them in power to protect them from "intellectual elitists"?


Valid point, but I'm not American. Besides, this type of anti-science/anti-intellectualism certainly isn't restricted to muslim fundamentalists.
2012-07-09 01:26:24 AM  
3 votes:
You can't recognize scientific genius because you're pants-on-head-retarded? That makes me very sad. What hope do we have to even think of world peace when people can't even acknowledge the brilliance of a man because of a sect of religion he belonged to?

Just nuke us from orbit.
2012-07-09 11:58:03 AM  
2 votes:
Islam. We Hate Everything, Including Each Other™
2012-07-09 11:30:17 AM  
2 votes:
This is the same country that Abdul Sattar Edhi has to worry about being car bombed for providing free hospital service to everyone. Seriously fundies, stop being dicks
2012-07-09 09:53:51 AM  
2 votes:
doglover:
steamingpile:


www.prosebeforehos.com

If you follow the disjointed, contradictory "philosophy" of Bronze-Age goat herders, you might be mentally deficient, and that's not good for anyone.
2012-07-09 09:19:15 AM  
2 votes:
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2012-07-09 08:59:24 AM  
2 votes:

SurfaceTension: /garbled stream of consciousness


You can say that again.

You mistake the practice of a religion with the blind following of certain clergy members. That's very different.

Your rational thinking probably isn't as rational or well thought out as you think it is. A rabbi would eat you up and spit you out in a debate. Ever wonder why so many jews seem to be lawyers? Seems like half their religion is learning god's law by heart and the other half is finding way around it.

Then of course we have the horses in Voodoo, the running monks of Mt Hiei, the "whirling dervishes" of.... was it Islam? I've forgotten. The point is religion isn't the groundless belief in the irrational that you seem to think it is through and through. What it actually is a blend of various activities that can sharpen the mental and physical faculties to a razor's edge when practiced, if I may make a pun, religiously.

The atheists who say "There's no scientific proof of god." are correct. The same cannot be said of religion. It's real. It exists. It's testable. Instead of discarding it outright, you might try looking into this thing that's been around for millennia and see if maybe there's a reason it's still around. Find the regieme that gives people the mental and physical fortitude to go for 9 days (216 hours) without food, water, or rest of any kind in the middle of years of running more than a marathon daily. Link
2012-07-09 08:04:05 AM  
2 votes:

doglover: The problem isn't religion as a whole, but rather the people who take it too seriously. Just like everything else, moderation is the key. The Muslims in America are the guys who show up in the jerseys and root for the home team. The Muslims in Pakistan are the guys who start the football riots where people die. They need a serious dose of lighten the fark up in their lives.


The problem IS religion as a whole, and here is why: the very existence of religious belief encourages an invalid, irrational way of thinking. That is, it encourages a belief in, and expects action upon things that have no basis in reality. And when you do that, anything is possible "in the name of religion."

Now, I grant that many of the actions taken in the name of religion are relatively harmless, but you and I both can probably name 20 actions off the top of our heads that people have taken that ARE harmful or deadly to one person or a group. The only way to stop this from happening is encouraging rational thinking. But as I pointed out above, religion expects irrational thinking, so it is incompatible with rational thinking.

/garbled stream of consciousness
2012-07-09 07:51:02 AM  
2 votes:
sithon:
SoothinglyDeranged: This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia

Darwin could be added to that list.


To be fair, he became a non-theist over the course of his lifetime, well before the end of his scientific career (not that he ever really retired).

firefly212:
I'd imagine he did it for the trollolols... we can at least prove that the Higgs Boson exists to a five sigma certainty... I'd wager that we can't yet do the same for God.

Typically, religion's "five-sigma" goal has been to coerce 99.99% of the population into believing god exists, then marginalize or murder the remainder.
2012-07-09 07:34:23 AM  
2 votes:

Malik Sardonis: It's his own fault. If he had used his scientific knowledge to contribute to the Pakistani nuclear weapons program, like all the other good scientists, he would have been a hero too.


Actually, he did.
2012-07-09 07:14:45 AM  
2 votes:

bulldg4life: Honest Bender: Who cares about their history books? They're probably packed full of religiously slanted inaccuracies. Someday their entire culture will be a footnote in our own history books:

Pakistan: Drove themselves into the ground with religion.

Thank god our textbooks aren't full of religiously slanted innaccuracies.


Yes, but we complain about them. Come to think of it, were allowed to complain about them. Contrast this with Pakistan.
2012-07-09 07:05:42 AM  
2 votes:

Honest Bender: Who cares about their history books? They're probably packed full of religiously slanted inaccuracies. Someday their entire culture will be a footnote in our own history books:

Pakistan: Drove themselves into the ground with religion.


Have you ever been to Alabama or Mississippi?
2012-07-09 06:51:14 AM  
2 votes:
The next time you see some Islamist jackwad bragging "Islam has done great things in science while you Westerners were still living in huts!", remind them of Abdus Salam.

When they say "Who?", you then say "See what I mean?".
2012-07-09 06:49:48 AM  
2 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: How many American Nobel laureates are named in modern American textbooks?


Well, if you stick with prize winners born in the US, then all of the literature winners are at least mentioned if not read in high school, most of the peace prize winners are standard parts of US history texts because of either what got them the Peace Prize or because they were big deals otherwise. A few might only show up in side bars in certain texts on account of winning the prize so there's that. As for all the other subjects, well economics texts mention a lot of the winners in part because at least for the first couple decades the prize was offered, they were big deals in the field. A few also show up in non-econ texts. As for the other fields, the winners of the physics prize are pretty darn well represented in various texts. Which leaves chemistry and medicine/physiology, where it's a bit dicey.
2012-07-09 04:34:13 AM  
2 votes:

SoothinglyDeranged: This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia


Darwin could be added to that list.
2012-07-09 12:59:48 PM  
1 votes:

clyph: doglover: Yes, blame all religions.

I do.

Religion is the blind acceptance of and adherence to dogma, even when it is directly contradicted by observed fact.

Science is the acceptance of observed fact, even when it directly contradicts a previously-held position.

They are completely opposite world views.


Yup. It's a pure binary, all right. No shades of gray here, my friend - you're either a toga-wearing, goat farming, blind adherent to 2000 year old dogma or you're a bright-eyed, labcoat-wearing, degree-holding, nuclear physicist/astronomer/chemist/sociobiologist (with a minor in paleobotany and sociozoology).

If there weren't 3 examples proving you wrong from within my own nuclear family, I might take umbrage to your statement.
2012-07-09 11:56:16 AM  
1 votes:

Sgt Stubby: I'm not 'selling' anything, and neither was Jesus. So save the righteous indignation.

I was trying to make a point, which is obviously lost on the angry liberals of fark.com. The point is simply that if I lived in Pakistan, I'd have acid thrown in my face, have my house burned down or just be killed outright (more or less what people like you did to early Christians). In fact, the same thing would happen to me in ANY muslim sh*thole on earth were I to practice Christianity openly


You are coming awfully close to comparing yourself with Jesus. I'm pretty sure that is kind of offensive to christians.

You don't know me or anything about me. Don't presume to state what 'people like me' would or would not have done to you. You aren't persecuted, pretending that you are isn't going to win an argument. Nobody made any claims about christianity being worse than islam, that's like arguing that it's worse to die of AIDS than it is to die of cancer. Both are bad enough, and debating shades of awful isn't a worthwhile exercise.
2012-07-09 11:54:37 AM  
1 votes:
well, having your discovery nicknamed "the god particle" is gonna help your popularity in pakistan and mississippi about as much as having it nicknamed "the hitler particle" would in germany and israel.
2012-07-09 10:55:31 AM  
1 votes:
Egoy3k: Go try to sell your repressed faithful act somewhere else. We aren't buying it here.


I'm not 'selling' anything, and neither was Jesus. So save the righteous indignation.

I was trying to make a point, which is obviously lost on the angry liberals of fark.com. The point is simply that if I lived in Pakistan, I'd have acid thrown in my face, have my house burned down or just be killed outright (more or less what people like you did to early Christians). In fact, the same thing would happen to me in ANY muslim sh*thole on earth were I to practice Christianity openly.

Oddly, muslims are free to build mosques and pray to allah in any christian country. But to the liberals of fark.com, there is no difference and Christians are still FAR worse. Simply amazing...
2012-07-09 10:35:00 AM  
1 votes:

Sgt Stubby: And I see the usual 'Fark Four' as well: The crusades (neglecting the ORIGINAL muslim one, of course), witch burnings, spanish inquisiotion and - naturally - that scourge which plagues our land.... 'the abortion bombings'. That's fine. Despising and mocking Christians is nothing new, it's not clever, modern or anything else. They did the same thing to Jesus when he was walking around! Yep, they had smug, self-satisfied idol-worshippers 2,000 years ago too.


Oh boo farking hoo. Go try to sell your repressed faithful act somewhere else. We aren't buying it here.
2012-07-09 10:28:27 AM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Inflatable Rhetoric: Religion has contributed nothing. Except misery. What does being able to set yourself on fire accomplish?


To be fair, religion was the best guess at how things worked when humanity was starting out. Similar to the alchemy example a few posts up, though as our understanding develops religion got outmoded.


That's fair.
But, religion was wrong then, and is wrong now, and is a parasite on humanity.
2012-07-09 10:28:20 AM  
1 votes:
Jim_Callahan, though you obvious intellect is dazzling, St. Paul was definitely a well-educated man. His home town of Tarsus was a center for higher-learning in his day. He was intelligent enough to know sh*t from shinola, and so were a great many others in that time.

Your condescending mocking of Christianity doesn't set you apart as being particularly bright or original. They mocked and spit upon Jesus while he died on the cross. In time, just about all the apostles were beaten to death, beheaded or whatever as well.

You're not saying anything 'new' that wasn't new 2,000 years ago.


/the only difference is that you don't have the freedom to spit on muslims in a muslim country, like you do with Christians here. Notice the difference?
2012-07-09 10:27:58 AM  
1 votes:

Giltric: People feel uncomfortable talking about Islam so they talk about a different religion whos followers are less likely to behead them for bad mouthing their beliefs.


Actually, I don't talk more about Islam because, frankly, you can see examples of its hatred, violence and just plain ignorance in the news on a daily basis. This, and the fact that I am largely unacquainted with most of its teachings. I stick to the subject I know best. I have tried a great majority of the Christian religions. Every last one is so hypocritical as to be a cartoon. They pray to their god to heal them, not thinking for once that their god gave them whatever affliction they're praying to get healed in the first place. This indicates that they feel they are "smarter" than their god, and seek to bring god around to their way of thinking. The Catholics I am acquainted with best, having attended catholic schools through the 9th grade. Catholicism = militarism + christianity. (Stand now. Sit now. Kneel now. Chant this invocation now.)
2012-07-09 10:27:07 AM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: Inflatable Rhetoric: Religion has contributed nothing. Except misery. What does being able to set yourself on fire accomplish?


To be fair, religion was the best guess at how things worked when humanity was starting out. Similar to the alchemy example a few posts up, though as our understanding develops religion got outmoded.

I'll give a pass to the ancient Greeks, the Latins, the Sumerians, and so on, because given the (lack of) data 'invisible man in the sky' makes as much sense as, and possibly more than "equalization of friction-driven atmospheric charge through the path of least resistance".

If you're talking any period after the rise of Athens and then Rome in the west, or the first Chinese empire in the east, though, no. No excuse. Religion since then has been maintained entirely to retain the institution's worldly powers. I have a beef with Christianity specifically because the rise of the religion involved a very intentional rejection of rational thought in favor of library-burning and suppressing discovery. At least things like Buddhism and Islam developed in regions before science (well, it's precursors empiricism and organized observation and logic, but still) wasn't really a developed, and were just never particularly comfortable with change. Christianity kind of deserves the abuse it gets because it started in a region full of half-developed science and great minds and specifically set about smashing all of the former and slaughtering all of the latter whenever they popped up. It goes a step beyond just being wrong and counterproductive and enters the realm of the outright malicious from the get-go.

//First person to say "but the monks preserved the knowledge of Rome" wins a free internet punch to the face, they preserved a few scraps of poetry and the works of like two philosophers who agreed largely with church teachings. Why those two? Because the church intentionally hunted down and destroyed the writings of the others.


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2012-07-09 10:12:00 AM  
1 votes:

Joe Blowme: HAMMERTOE: Joe Blowme: Ahh, the ole justifying present day retardation by pointing to centuries old retardation.
The classic " but mommy, Billy did it too!!!!"

"Justify"?

My friend, religion is in no way "justified." Neither by the facts, nor by the evidence, nor even by the bible. I can list no less than three ways in which the bible falls flat on its face.

I really dont care about the bible, im not religious but to say "but but but christains killed people too!!!" when confronted with the fact that islam remains an extreme and violent death cult today as it was centuries ago is IMHO, is dumb. Maybe you are not justifying it or defending it but it sure sounds like it. My aplogies if i have misinterpreted your point.


People feel uncomfortable talking about Islam so they talk about a different religion whos followers are less likely to behead them for bad mouthing their beliefs.

/the power of religion
2012-07-09 10:11:55 AM  
1 votes:
Scanning the thread, I see the usual from the smug liberals of fark.com - i.e. leaping to the defense of islam and attacking Christianty. Liberals love 'em some islam, there's no doubt.


And I see the usual 'Fark Four' as well: The crusades (neglecting the ORIGINAL muslim one, of course), witch burnings, spanish inquisiotion and - naturally - that scourge which plagues our land.... 'the abortion bombings'. That's fine. Despising and mocking Christians is nothing new, it's not clever, modern or anything else. They did the same thing to Jesus when he was walking around! Yep, they had smug, self-satisfied idol-worshippers 2,000 years ago too.

Bottom line: Here's all you need to know about islam vs Christianity in 2012.
2012-07-09 09:58:05 AM  
1 votes:

doglover: Your rational thinking probably isn't as rational or well thought out as you think it is. A rabbi would eat you up and spit you out in a debate. Ever wonder why so many jews seem to be lawyers? Seems like half their religion is learning god's law by heart and the other half is finding way around it.


If a rabbi pwns you in a debate, you should have prepared better. Rabbis aren't special, they're just well-versed in Judaism (and hopefully a little psychology and family studies as well). They shouldn't be able to convince you of anything, or convert you from a belief - that's the sign of a weak mind, IMO.

Theologically, yeah - they should have an answer for every question. The good philosophical debates have come with the rabbis that were well-versed in philosophy, and the insights into culture and observance have (generally) not. The scene in Gran Torino where Walt takes down the priest is a really great example of what I mean - earning your frock don't make you any smarter just like earning an MD doesn't make you a better surgeon.

I've also met MDs that were teabaggers and lawyers that are hippies. The world is a weird place.
2012-07-09 09:55:16 AM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: Joe Blowme: Ahh, the ole justifying present day retardation by pointing to centuries old retardation.
The classic " but mommy, Billy did it too!!!!"

"Justify"?

My friend, religion is in no way "justified." Neither by the facts, nor by the evidence, nor even by the bible. I can list no less than three ways in which the bible falls flat on its face.


I really dont care about the bible, im not religious but to say "but but but christains killed people too!!!" when confronted with the fact that islam remains an extreme and violent death cult today as it was centuries ago is IMHO, is dumb. Maybe you are not justifying it or defending it but it sure sounds like it. My aplogies if i have misinterpreted your point.
2012-07-09 09:49:43 AM  
1 votes:
SteamingPile - When I was involved in the church they just prayed for people and never threatened to kill anyone, but yeah they are the same.


Just like every denomination and every church is the same, right?

Your church may have been like that, but certainly not every congregation's pews and pulpits are filled with those who would pray "for" people.

Plenty are filled with those who would do things like forcibly banish homosexuals to some fenced in concentration camp and deprive them of food until they were all dead. Some would whip up a frenzy calling for the death of abortion providers and then run and hide when one of their followers actually starts killing doctors and nurses and plants booby traps in an effort to kill first responders. While other churches may be filled with those who still oppose a racially integrated society and engage in practices related to the KKK.

I'm sure the church you belong/belonged to wasn't filled with such people, but let's not bury our heads in the sand and act like such "Christian" based churches don't exist.
2012-07-09 09:43:34 AM  
1 votes:

steamingpile: RassilonsExWife: You're looking at your future, America, unless you give the theocrats the beatdown they deserve.

Mindless bullshiat from people who are scared of people that have faith


You're damn right we're scared of people that have faith. Scared of the shiat they're going to pull that impacts the lives of the rest of us.

It is not faith itself that we object to, but rather blind faith, and faith that is contrary to verifyable evidence. That kind of faith causes people to reject learning new things. Why should Muslims care that this guy furthered our understanding of how the universe functions, and how it formed? God made the world!

It's also exclusivist faith that we object to. The "You don't believe what I believe so you don't count as a real person" mindset. That's the kind of mindset that allows people to rationalize horrific actions perpetrated against their fellow man.

And while you say "The Inquisition, the Crusades, those were Centuries ago, it's not like that anymore!" but the God modern Christians pray to is the same one in whose name those horrific acts were performed.
2012-07-09 09:34:06 AM  
1 votes:

TheotherMIguy: What I find fascinating, from a historical perspective, is that Pakistan (and by association, Bangladesh - formerly East Pakistan) have only been around for 65 years. The entire formation of those two nations was due to the frustration felt by the rest of the newly formed Indian government. Jinnah, from what I remember of my Prof's teachings, didn't actually WANT the two-state solution, he just suggested it as the far point in a barter for political gain and Muslim rights within India (the dude had a brand new house in New Delhi and was in poor health, not exactly the kind of situation you make for yourself if you really want to move to the western edge of the sub-continent). But the Indian government was so fed up by that point they said 'OK!' and farked us over today.

I still blame the British though. Without them, the sub-continent would be a vastly different place right now: Richer, probably more religiously tolerant, and less nuke happy.


While colonial Brits certainly screwed things up, it wasn't 100% black and white...they DID bring things like railroads to India. If the subcontinent had been in the pre-colonial feudal mode in and after the 20s, it might well have gone full-bore communist the way China did...which certainly wouldn't have made most people richer or more tolerant.
2012-07-09 09:31:46 AM  
1 votes:

HAMMERTOE: steamingpile: I was referring to acts of aggression in the name of religion, Muslims haven't let it go so to compare the two is moronic.

Let's see...

Irish Protestant/ Catholic aggression.
Abortion clinic violence/ intimidation.
WBC


Superstition, or religion, is the cause of a lot of problems. Get Ric Romero on that.

Religion = Superstition + $$$$$
2012-07-09 09:09:10 AM  
1 votes:

miss
diminutive
:
Enjoy your scientific, intellectual and technological dark age, you fundamentalist wingnuts.


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2012-07-09 09:03:11 AM  
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doglover: Yes, blame all religions. Giovanni Caselli, Rene Descartes, Michael Faraday, and Issac Newton were all worthless and contributed nothing to the world because of their religious practices. Oh wait, the opposite of that.


Just imagine what Newton could have accomplished without the distractions of numerology, astrology, and alchemy.
2012-07-09 09:01:11 AM  
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Such a shocking move from a country that actually banned weather forecasts in newspapers for a year or 2.
2012-07-09 09:00:50 AM  
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HAMMERTOE: steamingpile: This is all people bring up, stuff from centuries ago people progress and realize that line of thinking was insane, that would never happen now yet the Muslims do it and most of fark's instinct is to attack ALL religions as being violent.

But, isn't ALL religion from "centuries ago"? Hell, "millennia ago" for that matter.


I was referring to acts of aggression in the name of religion, Muslims haven't let it go so to compare the two is moronic.
2012-07-09 08:58:23 AM  
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0Icky0: steamingpile: I was surprised it took someone this long to lump Christian in with this, it par for Fark, any religious mental cases are immediately compared to the west's religions. If its Christians trying to pass local laws to be stupid then that's just as good as Muslims killing people for not being "Muslim" enough.

Although I can't prove it, I do suspect that if American fundamentalist Christians were left to do as they wanted, without Constitutional protections for minority beliefs, you would see a whole lot of pain being rained down on the heads of those who don't believe as they do.
They are nicer than the crazies in other countries because they are compelled to be so. Not because of their better natures.


No they wouldn't, you don't see Muslims going to be a volunteer in another nation to better poorer areas, most of those in this country are not even close to the nutty Muslims are.
2012-07-09 08:57:10 AM  
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HAMMERTOE: But, isn't ALL religion from "centuries ago"? Hell, "millennia ago" for that matter.


LDS & Scientology
2012-07-09 08:56:43 AM  
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HAMMERTOE: steamingpile: When I was involved in the church they just prayed for people and never threatened to kill anyone, but yeah they are the same.

The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and the Salem Witch Trials were all about persecuting people for no being "Christian enough," whether you choose to deny it or not. So yes, your imaginary friend gets lumped in with all the rest.


You're aware that those events occurred several hundred years ago, right? And that what's happening in Pakistan is happening today?

Also, for the people in the thread saying "see, this is what Christians want for America!", first off good job on the broad discrimination. And secondly, yes some of them probably do.
But in a democracy people have to fight to get their point of view to the foreground. And if religious nuts are causing your country to spiral the drain, then that is a failure of all rational people, moderate religious people, atheists and agnostics (i.e. YOU!) that sat back and let it happen.

/Other than anonymously biatching about it on an internet forum, obviously.
//Best of luck with the whole political-and-intellectual-collapse-of-your-nation thing, Pakistan!
2012-07-09 08:52:55 AM  
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And, I can think of more recent persecutions that christianity is responsible for.
2012-07-09 08:50:32 AM  
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steamingpile: This is all people bring up, stuff from centuries ago people progress and realize that line of thinking was insane, that would never happen now yet the Muslims do it and most of fark's instinct is to attack ALL religions as being violent.


But, isn't ALL religion from "centuries ago"? Hell, "millennia ago" for that matter.
2012-07-09 08:49:06 AM  
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Replace Islamic with Christian, and it sounds like the South.
2012-07-09 08:47:09 AM  
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HAMMERTOE: steamingpile: When I was involved in the church they just prayed for people and never threatened to kill anyone, but yeah they are the same.

The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and the Salem Witch Trials were all about persecuting people for no being "Christian enough," whether you choose to deny it or not. So yes, your imaginary friend gets lumped in with all the rest.


Ahh, the ole justifying present day retardation by pointing to centuries old retardation.
The classic " but mommy, Billy did it too!!!!"
2012-07-09 08:45:12 AM  
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Just tell the morons that you're working to discover "God's laws," rather than nature's laws. Problem solved and research fully funded.
2012-07-09 08:41:20 AM  
1 votes:

lohphat: steamingpile: SoothinglyDeranged: This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia

I was surprised it took someone this long to lump Christian in with this, it par for Fark, any religious mental cases are immediately compared to the west's religions. If its Christians trying to pass local laws to be stupid then that's just as good as Muslims killing people for not being "Muslim" enough. There is one widespread religion who still feels the need to take up weapons to use violence to prove their religion is the one true religion and does it more than any other religion.

When I was involved in the church they just prayed for people and never threatened to kill anyone, but yeah they are the same.

If churches thought they could get away with it again in the US they would. Instead they have to be content in inciting people to act for them indirectly. Ask an OBGYN in The South if they feel safe performing abortions.


Protests are not even the farking same as a violent mob coming in and hacking all the workers up then the government not arresting them for a crime but yeah its exactly the same.

HAMMERTOE: steamingpile: When I was involved in the church they just prayed for people and never threatened to kill anyone, but yeah they are the same.

The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and the Salem Witch Trials were all about persecuting people for no being "Christian enough," whether you choose to deny it or not. So yes, your imaginary friend gets lumped in with all the rest.


This is all people bring up, stuff from centuries ago people progress and realize that line of thinking was insane, that would never happen now yet the Muslims do it and most of fark's instinct is to attack ALL religions as being violent.
2012-07-09 08:37:10 AM  
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steamingpile: I was surprised it took someone this long to lump Christian in with this, it par for Fark, any religious mental cases are immediately compared to the west's religions. If its Christians trying to pass local laws to be stupid then that's just as good as Muslims killing people for not being "Muslim" enough.


Although I can't prove it, I do suspect that if American fundamentalist Christians were left to do as they wanted, without Constitutional protections for minority beliefs, you would see a whole lot of pain being rained down on the heads of those who don't believe as they do.
They are nicer than the crazies in other countries because they are compelled to be so. Not because of their better natures.
2012-07-09 08:35:24 AM  
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liam76: doglover: SoothinglyDeranged: This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia


Yes, blame all religions. Giovanni Caselli, Rene Descartes, Michael Faraday, and Issac Newton were all worthless and contributed nothing to the world because of their religious practices. Oh wait, the opposite of that.

Religion is like a sport for your mind. A Buddhist monk can focus on one thing so powerfully he doesn't even make a peep if you light him on fire with gasoline. I doubt most people could give themselves a blister on the stove while meditating without crying out in pain. Other religions have their merit, as well.

The problem isn't religion as a whole, but rather the people who take it too seriously. Just like everything else, moderation is the key. The Muslims in America are the guys who show up in the jerseys and root for the home team. The Muslims in Pakistan are the guys who start the football riots where people die. They need a serious dose of lighten the fark up in their lives.

I am pretty sure that monk woudl fall intot he "take it too seriously" category.


I disagree, on my dad's side they are irish catholic. My Great Aunt is a Nun and she works with prositutes in San Franscisco still when she is in her mid to late 90's and although is unquestionably devout she also doesnt judge and feels that everyone deserves to be treated with respect and will help anyone in need. Where at my grandmother will outright tell people that they will be going to hell and shun them.
2012-07-09 08:25:57 AM  
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Hey India, could you please just steamroll over Pakistan already? You know you want to, and besides, no one likes those duplicitous Pakis anymore.
2012-07-09 08:24:41 AM  
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steamingpile: When I was involved in the church they just prayed for people and never threatened to kill anyone, but yeah they are the same.


The Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, and the Salem Witch Trials were all about persecuting people for no being "Christian enough," whether you choose to deny it or not. So yes, your imaginary friend gets lumped in with all the rest.
2012-07-09 08:19:15 AM  
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steamingpile: SoothinglyDeranged: This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia

I was surprised it took someone this long to lump Christian in with this, it par for Fark, any religious mental cases are immediately compared to the west's religions. If its Christians trying to pass local laws to be stupid then that's just as good as Muslims killing people for not being "Muslim" enough. There is one widespread religion who still feels the need to take up weapons to use violence to prove their religion is the one true religion and does it more than any other religion.

When I was involved in the church they just prayed for people and never threatened to kill anyone, but yeah they are the same.


If churches thought they could get away with it again in the US they would. Instead they have to be content in inciting people to act for them indirectly. Ask an OBGYN in The South if they feel safe performing abortions.
2012-07-09 08:16:29 AM  
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Stone Age dogma which seeks to prevent humanity from outgrowing it's ignorance? Color me surprised.
2012-07-09 08:15:55 AM  
1 votes:

SoothinglyDeranged: This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia


I was surprised it took someone this long to lump Christian in with this, it par for Fark, any religious mental cases are immediately compared to the west's religions. If its Christians trying to pass local laws to be stupid then that's just as good as Muslims killing people for not being "Muslim" enough. There is one widespread religion who still feels the need to take up weapons to use violence to prove their religion is the one true religion and does it more than any other religion.

When I was involved in the church they just prayed for people and never threatened to kill anyone, but yeah they are the same.
2012-07-09 08:14:57 AM  
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thisispete: TheotherMIguy: What I find fascinating, from a historical perspective, is that Pakistan (and by association, Bangladesh - formerly East Pakistan) have only been around for 65 years. The entire formation of those two nations was due to the frustration felt by the rest of the newly formed Indian government. Jinnah, from what I remember of my Prof's teachings, didn't actually WANT the two-state solution, he just suggested it as the far point in a barter for political gain and Muslim rights within India (the dude had a brand new house in New Delhi and was in poor health, not exactly the kind of situation you make for yourself if you really want to move to the western edge of the sub-continent). But the Indian government was so fed up by that point they said 'OK!' and farked us over today.

I still blame the British though. Without them, the sub-continent would be a vastly different place right now: Richer, probably more religiously tolerant, and less nuke happy.

/History FTW.

I remember writing an essay on Jinnah, the Muslim League and Partition for a 300-level paper on Indian history. By the end of WW2 the British were quite eager to decolonise. India was no longer making them any money - in fact it was a drain on the finances - and the British had to concentrate on rebuilding and repaying wartime debt. Anyway, they wanted out fairly quickly and the negotiations between Congress and the Muslim League weren't bearing any fruit. The British proposed to balkanise the sub-continent and turn every princely state into individual nation states. That spurred Congress and the Muslim League to agree on partition, which resulted in communal violence killing hundreds of thousands of people.


Yeah, it's been a bit since my 300 and 400 level History courses. A lot of time away from academia too. But it still boils down to what I've always said about the sub-continent. The British are at fault. Fark them for looting Bangladesh (The nation-state that existed before their incursion, not the one that exists today), fark them for turning the various faiths into 'Hinduism', fark them for pushing for Muslin-Hindi violence, fark them, fark them, fark them.

/Ok, I'm better now.
2012-07-09 08:11:10 AM  
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TheotherMIguy: What I find fascinating, from a historical perspective, is that Pakistan (and by association, Bangladesh - formerly East Pakistan) have only been around for 65 years. The entire formation of those two nations was due to the frustration felt by the rest of the newly formed Indian government. Jinnah, from what I remember of my Prof's teachings, didn't actually WANT the two-state solution, he just suggested it as the far point in a barter for political gain and Muslim rights within India (the dude had a brand new house in New Delhi and was in poor health, not exactly the kind of situation you make for yourself if you really want to move to the western edge of the sub-continent). But the Indian government was so fed up by that point they said 'OK!' and farked us over today.

I still blame the British though. Without them, the sub-continent would be a vastly different place right now: Richer, probably more religiously tolerant, and less nuke happy.

/History FTW.


I remember writing an essay on Jinnah, the Muslim League and Partition for a 300-level paper on Indian history. By the end of WW2 the British were quite eager to decolonise. India was no longer making them any money - in fact it was a drain on the finances - and the British had to concentrate on rebuilding and repaying wartime debt. Anyway, they wanted out fairly quickly and the negotiations between Congress and the Muslim League weren't bearing any fruit. The British proposed to balkanise the sub-continent and turn every princely state into individual nation states. That spurred Congress and the Muslim League to agree on partition, which resulted in communal violence killing hundreds of thousands of people.
2012-07-09 08:00:08 AM  
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What I find fascinating, from a historical perspective, is that Pakistan (and by association, Bangladesh - formerly East Pakistan) have only been around for 65 years. The entire formation of those two nations was due to the frustration felt by the rest of the newly formed Indian government. Jinnah, from what I remember of my Prof's teachings, didn't actually WANT the two-state solution, he just suggested it as the far point in a barter for political gain and Muslim rights within India (the dude had a brand new house in New Delhi and was in poor health, not exactly the kind of situation you make for yourself if you really want to move to the western edge of the sub-continent). But the Indian government was so fed up by that point they said 'OK!' and farked us over today.

I still blame the British though. Without them, the sub-continent would be a vastly different place right now: Richer, probably more religiously tolerant, and less nuke happy.

/History FTW.
2012-07-09 07:42:53 AM  
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doglover: Religion is like a sport for your mind.


Lots of brain damage from repeated collisions?
2012-07-09 07:37:41 AM  
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FTFA: Ahmadis believe their spiritual leader, Hadrat Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, who died in 1908, was a prophet of God - a position rejected by the government in response to a mass movement led by Pakistan's major Islamic parties. Islam considers Muhammad the last prophet and those who subsequently declared themselves prophets as heretics.

So....they're the Islamic equivalent of Mormons?
2012-07-09 07:33:01 AM  
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ChubbyTiger: lohphat: Ever notice that countries that are "hell holes" are so due to conservative ideology, while more liberal and tolerant countries seem to be more advanced?

You mean like Sweden?


Does The Congo or Pakistan hae a women's bikini volleyball team?
2012-07-09 07:30:53 AM  
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lohphat: Ever notice that countries that are "hell holes" are so due to conservative ideology, while more liberal and tolerant countries seem to be more advanced?


You mean like Sweden?
2012-07-09 07:30:36 AM  
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James F. Campbell: doglover: Issac Newton

was kind of batshiat crazy.


All the best people are. Do you know what they're doing at CERN? Nothing any sane person would care about. Smashing ions together at 99.9 c to create insane matter states is ludicrous! And we found the YO MOMMA particle, too. THROW THE SWITCH IGOR! MWA HA HA HA HA HA HA!

Genius is crazy.
2012-07-09 07:25:01 AM  
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Ahh Islam, the religion of enlightened peace.
2012-07-09 07:20:56 AM  
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WhyteRaven74: AverageAmericanGuy: How many American Nobel laureates are named in modern American textbooks?

Well, if you stick with prize winners born in the US, then all of the literature winners are at least mentioned if not read in high school, most of the peace prize winners are standard parts of US history texts because of either what got them the Peace Prize or because they were big deals otherwise. A few might only show up in side bars in certain texts on account of winning the prize so there's that. As for all the other subjects, well economics texts mention a lot of the winners in part because at least for the first couple decades the prize was offered, they were big deals in the field. A few also show up in non-econ texts. As for the other fields, the winners of the physics prize are pretty darn well represented in various texts. Which leaves chemistry and medicine/physiology, where it's a bit dicey.


Maybe if you went to Exeter.

For the most part, the vast majority of American Nobel Prize winners are left out of text books, if for no other reason than lack of space. Which is not to say that they are being left out for religious purposes, which seems to be the case here in Pakistan (who knows? maybe it's just a minor textbook company for religious schools).

teh list

If it's not clear, I'm referring to high school text books, and I believe you are as well.
2012-07-09 07:16:38 AM  
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doglover: Issac Newton


was kind of batshiat crazy.
2012-07-09 07:16:03 AM  
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liam76: I am pretty sure that monk woudl fall intot he "take it too seriously" category.


Ah, but monks can and do leave the monastery. It was a mantle many picked up to escape the mundane world for awhile. While you're a monk, they make you practice, and you get good at things like meditation. But you can step down as well.

Just like a professional sports team, really. Only instead of scouts, they just accept low level candidates who display serious interest and train them up.
2012-07-09 07:10:35 AM  
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Honest Bender: Who cares about their history books? They're probably packed full of religiously slanted inaccuracies. Someday their entire culture will be a footnote in our own history books:

Pakistan: Drove themselves into the ground with religion.


Thank god our textbooks aren't full of religiously slanted innaccuracies.
2012-07-09 07:09:50 AM  
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lohphat: Have you ever been to Alabama or Mississippi?


Don't even have to go that far.

You can just go to PA

/all for secession
//New England and NY are going to break off and join the Maritimes
///You know it's true.
2012-07-09 06:54:25 AM  
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Well fundamentalists can be accused of rigid thinking, rash generalizations, and extreme statements. Things you never see in Fark threads because Farkers are superiorer to those folks.
2012-07-09 06:51:43 AM  
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RatOmeter: Who was the dimwit who first said "god particle"? They need a good shin kicking.


Nobel Prize winner Leon Lederman, after his publisher wouldn't let him call it the goddamn particle. Was the title of his book, The God Particle: If the Universe is the Answer, What is the Question?
2012-07-09 06:47:10 AM  
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It's his own fault. If he had used his scientific knowledge to contribute to the Pakistani nuclear weapons program, like all the other good scientists, he would have been a hero too.
2012-07-09 06:37:18 AM  
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Who was the dimwit who first said "god particle"? They need a good shin kicking.
2012-07-09 03:18:42 AM  
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SoothinglyDeranged: This is the sad reality of our world. The persecution of some of our most brilliant minds because *insert religious bullshiat here*

see:
Alan Turing
Galileo Galilei
et alia



Yes, blame all religions. Giovanni Caselli, Rene Descartes, Michael Faraday, and Issac Newton were all worthless and contributed nothing to the world because of their religious practices. Oh wait, the opposite of that.

Religion is like a sport for your mind. A Buddhist monk can focus on one thing so powerfully he doesn't even make a peep if you light him on fire with gasoline. I doubt most people could give themselves a blister on the stove while meditating without crying out in pain. Other religions have their merit, as well.

The problem isn't religion as a whole, but rather the people who take it too seriously. Just like everything else, moderation is the key. The Muslims in America are the guys who show up in the jerseys and root for the home team. The Muslims in Pakistan are the guys who start the football riots where people die. They need a serious dose of lighten the fark up in their lives.
 
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