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2012-07-09 02:45:11 PM

CheatCommando: doglover:

Religion is like a sport for your mind..

So religion, like sport, is a triviality? I hunk I can get behind that. Also, we can liken the Christians in this country to asshole Yankee fans who think the umps always call against them!


How many Christians do you know? Not people who just say they're Christian but also act it?
 
2012-07-09 02:54:19 PM

Dr Dreidel: clyph: doglover: Yes, blame all religions.

I do.

Religion is the blind acceptance of and adherence to dogma, even when it is directly contradicted by observed fact.

Science is the acceptance of observed fact, even when it directly contradicts a previously-held position.

They are completely opposite world views.

Yup. It's a pure binary, all right. No shades of gray here, my friend - you're either a toga-wearing, goat farming, blind adherent to 2000 year old dogma or you're a bright-eyed, labcoat-wearing, degree-holding, nuclear physicist/astronomer/chemist/sociobiologist (with a minor in paleobotany and sociozoology).

If there weren't 3 examples proving you wrong from within my own nuclear family, I might take umbrage to your statement.


He said religion...implying AS A WHOLE.

Do the three members of your family encompass an entire religion?

It's like the analogy above where someone said, facetiously, "well, MY chapter of the KKK has never killed anyone and we have a stretch of highway where we volunteer to pick up trash once a year, so we're not so bad after all."
 
2012-07-09 03:45:32 PM
Sgt Stubby: Bottom line: Here's all you need to know about islam vs Christianity in 2012.

"You are going to hell, the man told her. You are living in darkness."

Impasse: Funny that Aftab's religion would tell that man the exact same thing.


The part that gets me is that here is a man who's idea of "darkness" is NOT holding a screaming woman down while he tortures and mutilates her.
 
2012-07-09 03:47:09 PM

Sgt Stubby: Your condescending mocking of Christianity doesn't set you apart as being particularly bright or original. They mocked and spit upon Jesus while he died on the cross. In time, just about all the apostles were beaten to death, beheaded or whatever as well.


2.bp.blogspot.com

Since there seems to be some confusion.
 
2012-07-09 03:51:47 PM

Raharu: So the shades of grey people your talking about, are either ignorant about their religion, or just cherry picking.


Because YOU, of course, are an expert on religions. All religions.
 
2012-07-09 04:04:46 PM

ciberido: Raharu: So the shades of grey people your talking about, are either ignorant about their religion, or just cherry picking.

Because YOU, of course, are an expert on religions. All religions.


I have not devoted my life to it no, but I have read a great deal about, it and have a good amount of life experience dealing with it. So I would have to say that the shades of grey people are ignorant of their religion, or they are just cherry picking the parts they like, and more often then not, its the parts that help them hate on other people.
 
2012-07-09 04:59:00 PM

Raharu: ciberido: Raharu: So the shades of grey people your talking about, are either ignorant about their religion, or just cherry picking.

Because YOU, of course, are an expert on religions. All religions.

I have not devoted my life to it no, but I have read a great deal about, it and have a good amount of life experience dealing with it. So I would have to say that the shades of grey people are ignorant of their religion, or they are just cherry picking the parts they like, and more often then not, its the parts that help them hate on other people.


See, I did devote part of my life to it. The first 18-20 years, in fact. Spent 16 years in religious schools, buying the tropes and internalizing the messages. When I left, I left on my own terms; not out of some misplaced rage at teachers or "anger at the system" for forcing me into it.

There are positive lessons and valuable lessons to be learned from theology and theologic texts (and probably not all lessons that men of the cloth want us to learn). Science cannot teach ethics, they can only study ethics. Science cannot imbue morality, it examines morality. Sure, we can examine which moral codes are effective in which areas, and I don't mean to discount science as a means of understanding, but what I do mean is that observation is only part of the human condition.

The emotional (OK, largely irrational) parts of life often have no "right" answers. Religion isn't the single right answer any more than Astronomy is, but it's an answer to questions people have asked for millenia.

// astronomy can't teach you how to be an effective parent, or that teaching a kid to swim is important
// if you want to know about the observable universe, though - ain't nothing better
// and none of this suggests infallibility of religion and the people that practice it
 
2012-07-09 05:27:12 PM
And then we have all the Farkers that hate Christianity and yet have no problem with this kind of bullshiate from Islamofacists.
 
2012-07-09 05:50:40 PM

Dr Dreidel: , but it's an answer to questions people have asked for millenia.

No its not, its not at all.

Dr Dreidel: There are positive lessons and valuable lessons to be learned from theology and theologic texts


I'll bite, such as?

Dr Dreidel: Science cannot teach ethics, they can only study ethics. Science cannot imbue morality, it examines morality. Sure, we can examine which moral codes are effective in which areas, and I don't mean to discount science as a means of understanding, but what I do mean is that observation is only part of the human condition.


We don't need religion to teach us Ethics or how to be ethical.
You may, here's a link to help with that.
http://www.ethicalstl.org/

I mean at least I don't, I mean I don't need a sky daddy to keep me from going over to my neighbors house and cracking open his skull to feast on the goo inside, and then having a bit of the old in out with his wife.
 
2012-07-09 06:14:45 PM

Raharu: I mean at least I don't, I mean I don't need a sky daddy to keep me from going over to my neighbors house and cracking open his skull to feast on the goo inside, and then having a bit of the old in out with his wife.


does your neighbor feel the same way?

i hope your superior ethics are genetic, then we can just make sure that only people that have this magical ethics gene are allowed to reproduce...

Raharu: We don't need religion to teach us Ethics or how to be ethical.


absolutely correct! but do you need religion to teach you how to be moral? (and more to the point what morality IS?)

btw who makes the rules about what is ethical and what is not?
 
2012-07-09 06:21:09 PM

Raharu: I mean at least I don't, I mean I don't need a sky daddy to keep me from going over to my neighbors house and cracking open his skull to feast on the goo inside, and then having a bit of the old in out with his wife.


A lot of highly religious people would disagree on that point--they honestly believe that without some higher power ready to punish the wicked, everyone would do exactly those sorts of things.

My guess is that people like that have their moral development stuck at Kohlberg stage 1 (i.e. "I shouldn't do bad things because I'll get punished if I do"), and can't imagine that higher levels are even possible. Which, unfortunately, creates a potentially dangerous situation because in order to participate fully in the social contract of a modern democracy, one must have a more nuanced understanding of morality (stage 5 on the Kohlberg scale).
 
2012-07-09 06:21:36 PM

ciberido: Since there seems to be some confusion.


i suggested a pacman shaped pie chart

ciberido: Because YOU, of course, are an expert on religions. All religions.


i'd settle for an expert on science, are there any of them left??
 
2012-07-09 06:22:57 PM

I drunk what: Raharu: I mean at least I don't, I mean I don't need a sky daddy to keep me from going over to my neighbors house and cracking open his skull to feast on the goo inside, and then having a bit of the old in out with his wife.

does your neighbor feel the same way?

i hope your superior ethics are genetic, then we can just make sure that only people that have this magical ethics gene are allowed to reproduce...

Raharu: We don't need religion to teach us Ethics or how to be ethical.

absolutely correct! but do you need religion to teach you how to be moral? (and more to the point what morality IS?)

btw who makes the rules about what is ethical and what is not?


How about I buy you a copy of the Selfish Gene and the God Delusion and let you puzzle it out from there.

Those are waaaay better books then the blood soaked bible to puzzle out the answer to your questions. I don't want a thing to to with any of the Gods of the Big 3.

Id follow the teaching of Aslan before the Big 3, at least Hes intelligently designed.

Objective Morality vs. Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXO26pObTZA
Link

Enjoy!
 
2012-07-09 06:45:25 PM

Raharu: Id follow the teaching of Aslan before the Big 3, at least Hes intelligently designed.


unfortunate example you've chosen there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aslan
"The author, C. S. Lewis, described Aslan as an alternative version of Christ, that is, as the form in which Christ might have appeared in a fantasy world."
 
2012-07-09 07:04:21 PM

Raharu: How about I buy you a copy of the Selfish Gene and the God Delusion and let you puzzle it out from there.


meh:

I drunk what: the only way you get a butthurt atheist to believe in scientific evidence is to replace the god delusion with a biology text


i know, i know

we've already covered this like a brazillion times, but maybe this time it will work?

Raharu: Id follow the teaching of Aslan before the Big 3, at least Hes intelligently designed.


the Tao? i thought He was nameless? how does one follow the teachings of a nameless god?

or perhaps you meant the buddha? or some flying monkey? give me a hint

Raharu: Those are waaaay better books then the blood soaked bible to puzzle out the answer to your questions.


the cat in the hat is waaaay better than any chronicles of the civil war, but that doesn't make it any closer to reality

perhaps we can all just stick out heads into some morphine soaked sand and all those nasty problems will just go away-work themselves out...?

sounds like a great plan

i'm still waiting to hear who gets to decide what is ethical and what is not?

is it this asian god of yours? does he have a name?
 
2012-07-09 07:17:46 PM

proteus_b: Raharu: Id follow the teaching of Aslan before the Big 3, at least Hes intelligently designed.

unfortunate example you've chosen there...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aslan
"The author, C. S. Lewis, described Aslan as an alternative version of Christ, that is, as the form in which Christ might have appeared in a fantasy world."


www.terrariaonline.com
 
2012-07-09 07:19:26 PM

Raharu: Objective Morality vs. Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXO26pObTZA
Link

Enjoy!


lulz!!

entertainment indeed, i don't even know where to begin

can i just post a spoiler *delicious irony* and leave it at that?

sam harris is an awesome "debater" and anyone who hides behind his cowardice, saves me a bunch of typing, thanks

your youtube narrator needs moar checkmate theists, checkmate

he is being much too subtle for the fark audience, they are extremely dense

moving on...

Ethics? who gets to decide??
 
2012-07-09 07:25:52 PM

I drunk what: Raharu: Objective Morality vs. Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXO26pObTZA
Link

Enjoy!

lulz!!

entertainment indeed, i don't even know where to begin

can i just post a spoiler *delicious irony* and leave it at that?

sam harris is an awesome "debater" and anyone who hides behind his cowardice, saves me a bunch of typing, thanks

your youtube narrator needs moar checkmate theists, checkmate

he is being much too subtle for the fark audience, they are extremely dense

moving on...

Ethics? who gets to decide??


I reeeemember you now! You are the guy who thinks hes some kind of guru atop the mountain!

Im gona leave this right here for you.

img204.imageshack.us
 
2012-07-09 07:49:49 PM

Raharu: Objective Morality vs. Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zXO26pObTZA
Link

Enjoy!


btw everything written in the OT =/= The Word of God, nor does it equal The Law (aka God's Law)

the laws of moses, priests, etc.. during OT times was the ignorance that God ignored (temporarily) the 10 commandments is an example of God's Law, which even the OT jews got horribly wrong within their own "guidelines" created by men

bickering over all the details of exactly which claims in the OT were legit from God or just some over zealous priest-prophet-etc.. claiming stuff "in the name of God" is pointless since there is no way we could make such evaluations today (after the fact) without God's divination

completely ignoring the fact that God could have authorized any of the OT claims, and still be Holy, Loving, etc.. (Moral) since God is not bound to any sense of Man's inability to understand Logic, Good, Evil, etc.. but for the sake of this discussion it won't help any to go into such details since most atheists do not even have the remotest idea of any of these terms to begin with (since they usually can't even get past some of the most basic concepts of objective vs. relative, etc..) but then they just jump ahead to bickering about all the details concerning OT vs NT and then will tangent over to insisting on how this doesn't prove God's existence, and swirl around into a whirlpool of ignorance, confusion, and frustration until their brain just gives up and they stamp their feet and start cursing all religious people. which isn't helping

at least your youtube narrator was intelligent enough to understand that craig completely destroyed harris (in that one sided "debate") and at a minimum was able to understand what the debate was about and follow through in a professional and intelligent manner (which harris couldn't even do that right, but he was able to be a douche bag about it, good for him)

even if craig was unable to convince the narrator (who wasn't present at the debate) about a DIFFERENT TOPIC

for shame craig, what was he thinking??

*rolls eyes*

/this is actually typical of these kinds of discussions
//lots of wasted typing...
 
2012-07-09 07:52:44 PM

Raharu: Im gona leave this right here for you.


it's a simple logic test, can you understand it?

because if you can't handle that elementary level stuff, this theism stuff is going to be way over your head

Raharu: You are the guy who thinks hes some kind of guru atop the mountain!


what is the difference between you and IDW?
 
2012-07-09 08:05:36 PM
How's the trolling going IDW? Any bites?

...still just a sky wizzard.
 
2012-07-09 08:08:09 PM

Nick the What: How's the trolling going IDW? Any bites?

...still just a sky wizzard.


thesignalinthenoise.files.wordpress.com

/derp
 
2012-07-09 08:24:51 PM

I drunk what: Nick the What: How's the trolling going IDW? Any bites?

...still just a sky wizzard.

[thesignalinthenoise.files.wordpress.com image 300x225]

/derp


Sorry IDW. Just messin' with ya?

So you seem to be down with the celebrity Atheist/Theist's. Ever read Lee Strobel?

What a tard.
 
2012-07-09 08:37:16 PM

Nick the What: Just messin' with ya?


yes

Nick the What: Sorry IDW.


apology accepted, now go and sin no more

Nick the What: So you seem to be down with the celebrity Atheist/Theist's.


actually the more popular they are, the less likely they are to have something useful to say (e.g. ray comfort, kirk cameron, and their counterparts sam harris, richard dawkins)

unfortunately they tend to be a medium people are willing to discuss or at least have some knowledge of

Nick the What: Ever read Lee Strobel?


yes, and i was not impressed (and if i was an atheist i'd probably be even less impressed)

but ya know, there are a lot of people out there with absolutely nothing to say and waste a lot of our time saying it
 
2012-07-09 08:49:01 PM

I drunk what: Nick the What: Just messin' with ya?

yes

Nick the What: Sorry IDW.

apology accepted, now go and sin no more

Nick the What: So you seem to be down with the celebrity Atheist/Theist's.

actually the more popular they are, the less likely they are to have something useful to say (e.g. ray comfort, kirk cameron, and their counterparts sam harris, richard dawkins)

unfortunately they tend to be a medium people are willing to discuss or at least have some knowledge of

Nick the What: Ever read Lee Strobel?

yes, and i was not impressed (and if i was an atheist i'd probably be even less impressed)

but ya know, there are a lot of people out there with absolutely nothing to say and waste a lot of our time saying it


TL...May not watch.

BUT, the first part, "Come home to the Catholic church..."

You got a hard on for the Catholics, don't ya'?

Would you say you are intolerant of them?
 
2012-07-09 10:04:09 PM

Nick the What: TL...May not watch.


that's the point-joke

/don't bother and just believe what i said
//or see for yourself if you lack faith

Nick the What: You got a hard on for the Catholics, don't ya'?


when the world speaks of "xians" who do you think they most frequently equivocate them with?

Nick the What: Would you say you are intolerant of them?


i am extremely intolerant of those that twist the Truth beyond any form of recognition

twould be better off for them had they just been atheists

concerning the topic of religion would you suggest that they are helping?
 
2012-07-09 10:14:26 PM

I drunk what: concerning the topic of religion would you suggest that they are helping?


I was going to ask you that.

So, do you hate your parents?

Are you being honest...truthful ?


Tatsumai, the Jew, likes The Smiths. Do you think he is going to HELL*? Or are you one of those "ONLY GOD KNOWS PEOPLE"?

I work with 2 people at my work. One of them is a Muslim from Pakistan. He hates the sectarian violence in his country. And worries about his family left behind.

*Are Catholics going to hell?
 
2012-07-09 10:39:44 PM

I drunk what: when the world speaks of "xians" who do you think they most frequently equivocate them with?


I don't think they think of Catholics. Paranoid much? Don't worry, Monty Python gave them the what-for in fark popular culture.
 
2012-07-09 10:43:41 PM

I drunk what: religion would you suggest that they are helping?


They're xians. Do they believe Jesus was a deity? yes? Then they're Christians. What ever they do, I attribute to "xians".
 
2012-07-10 01:12:28 AM

I drunk what: but that doesn't make it any closer to reality


How so? What did Jebus say that was so great?

I drunk what: apology accepted, now go and sin no more


My christian wife loves my sin...ooooh yeah

I drunk what: i am extremely intolerant of those that twist the Truth beyond any form of recognition


Then you are just as atheist as me. The Truth (tm) being any truth/god/first cause that disagrees with Catholics (Jesus followers). Where would be without Mary biatch!..loves his Marrys ?

I drunk what: i am extremely intolerant of those that twist the Truth beyond any form of recognition


Ooh FFS, how much is it any different? "Don't be a dick." Isn't that what any Christian says is the basic message? How could you argue with that? Protestant, Catholic? They both say the same boring thing. Be good. But, it's romanticized! Big deal!

Romanticism, that's all it is. A bunch of poetry that chicks at church's sing to.

...still just a sky wizard, Yahweh that is.

I drunk what: objective vs. relative, etc


Any argument you've ever made is relativism
 
2012-07-10 01:21:48 AM

I drunk what: your youtube narrator needs moar checkmate theists, checkmate


Edward Current is awesome! That's some quality satire right there!

He bugs you doesn't he? Ha ha!
 
2012-07-10 01:47:03 PM

Nick the What: So, do you hate your parents?


i hate when people won't read things in context

however given the choice between serving my parents vs. serving The Lord, i will choose to "hate" my parents and obey God

Nick the What: Are you being honest...truthful ?


It's too late to change events
It's time to face the consequence
For delivering the proof
In the policy of truth

Nick the What: Tatsumai, the Jew, likes The Smiths.


i prefer DM

Nick the What: Do you think he is going to HELL*?


Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. ~John 14:6

Nick the What: Or are you one of those "ONLY GOD KNOWS PEOPLE"?


Only God can Judge (final) people. IDW knows people better than they know themselves...

and we judge (discern) people often, contrary to the twisting of scripture forbidding us to judge one another, which is not a problem for those who read things IN context

Nick the What: I work with 2 people at my work. One of them is a Muslim from Pakistan. He hates the sectarian violence in his country. And worries about his family left behind.


perhaps he should spend more time worrying about his religious beliefs and less time about politics

Nick the What: Are Catholics going to hell?


Jesus said to him, "I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me. ~John 14:6

i suppose it is possible that a few of them might accidentally find The Way, though once they have, they won't be catholic much longer

actions speak louder than words

Nick the What: I don't think they think of Catholics.


think again

i'll give you a hint: when the media speaks about "The Church" are they referring to The Church(es) of Christ? or some other protestant group?

/but hey times are a changin'
//lets keep our fingers crossed

Nick the What: Paranoid much?


nah, just observant

Nick the What: Do they believe Jesus was a deity? yes?


Does Lucifer and his demons believe Jesus is a deity? more so than any catholic

ergo?

Nick the What: Then they're Christians.


Wrong.

Nick the What: What ever they do, I attribute to "xians".


i know you do, that's why i said

thesignalinthenoise.files.wordpress.com

srsly
 
2012-07-10 01:54:31 PM

Nick the What: What did Jebus say that was so great?


Love thy enemies.

/oh and that how to obtain salvation stuff
//minor details

Nick the What: "Don't be a dick." Isn't that what any Christian says is the basic message?


i've not come to bring peace, but a sword

you may have noticed that on occasion i offend someone, so i guess you could say, that i'm being a "dick" to their precious delusions

Nick the What: They both say the same boring thing.


then what is all the fuss about?

Nick the What: Any argument you've ever made is relativism


you are objectively being an idiot

Nick the What: Edward Current is awesome! That's some quality satire right there!

He bugs you doesn't he? Ha ha!


it bugs me that people refer to him as "awesome" and that he produces "quality" satire

/but it doesn't surprise me
 
2012-07-10 02:24:11 PM

I drunk what: Does Lucifer and his demons believe Jesus is a deity?


This is interesting. Do go on.

He could be a Christian. Just a bad one by your standards.

If he doesn't think Jesus/God is a deity, then would that be because Lucifer is also a deity?

er...Is the lord not also his father in heaven?

I drunk what: Love thy enemies.


I'm sure he wasn't the first dude in human history to understand what it means to live with hate.

I drunk what: Nick the What: Any argument you've ever made is relativism

you are objectively being an idiot


a4.ec-images.myspacecdn.com

I was just foolin' about.
 
2012-07-10 02:37:48 PM

I drunk what: perhaps he should spend more time worrying about his religious beliefs and less time about politics


No, no. He's a true Muslim. Very peaceful.
 
2012-07-10 03:42:29 PM

proteus_b: the story of the headpiece at his grave is also pretty amusing. it originally read "first muslim nobel prize winner", but since he was mahdi and this is apparently heretical according to the majority in pakistan (as well as in most of the muslim world... i suppose kind of the way that mormons are not really considered christian by many other christians), they removed the "muslim" from the stone so that it now just nonsensically reads "first nobel prize winner"...


The Law of Unintended Consequences is a beautiful thing.
 
2012-07-10 09:16:43 PM

Nick the What: No, no. He's a true Muslim. Very peaceful.


ah yes the religion of peace

would you like some more kool aid? your cup runneth low

hmmm
 
2012-07-10 09:48:31 PM

I drunk what: Nick the What: No, no. He's a true Muslim. Very peaceful.

ah yes the religion of peace

would you like some more kool aid? your cup runneth low

hmmm


Well, you've done a good job at pointing out the inevitable** evils of a religious holy book. Congratulations IDW!! Very good. Now you're getting it! Well done, lad.

**adj inevitable [inˈevitəbl]
that cannot be avoided; certain to happen, be done, said, used etc The Prime Minister said that war was inevitable.


I'm gonna' bevets up this thread with some quote mining...ahem...forgive me:

"I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it." - George Bush
 
2012-07-11 04:54:58 PM

Nick the What: Well, you've done a good job at pointing out the inevitable** evils of a religious holy book.


4.bp.blogspot.com

upload.wikimedia.org

lulz yep

Nick the What: "I am driven with a mission from God. God would tell me, 'George go and fight these terrorists in Afghanistan'. And I did. And then God would tell me 'George, go and end the tyranny in Iraq'. And I did. And now, again, I feel God's words coming to me, 'Go get the Palestinians their state and get the Israelis their security, and get peace in the Middle East'. And, by God, I'm gonna do it." - George Bush


well i'm convinced, jebus was a myth *highfive*

checkmate theists, checkmate

/that's some quality satire you're doing there lad

have you figured out how to solve Raharu's puzzle yet?

Raharu: Im gona leave this right here for you.


img204.imageshack.us

:D
 
2012-07-11 07:53:49 PM

I drunk what: have you figured out how to solve Raharu's puzzle yet?


Dawkins? The card puzzle? You really don't bring your A game when it comes to poor old Nick.... :(
You're just dialing it with me.

But hey, this thread is beyond dead, isn't it? A Catholicism one just opened up!
 
2012-07-11 09:40:53 PM

Nick the What: You really don't bring your A game when it comes to poor old Nick.... :(


www.applemontessorischools.com

ready when you are lad

/tired
//busy
///been phoning them in for over a year now
//meh
/miss the ninjakerpal32 days
 
2012-07-12 08:22:06 AM

Nick the What: A Catholicism one just opened up!


you really got a hard on for em, eh?

/destroyed them so many times
//that dead horse is way past the glue stage
///lemme know if anything new happens
 
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