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(Salon)   Kid who gave a speech at CPAC writes an op-ed about no longer being a Republican. "These are scorned right-wingers showing all the maturity of a little boy. No wonder I fit in so well when I was 13"   (salon.com) divider line 274
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2012-07-09 07:42:13 AM

Ambivalence: Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.

You think liberals are lockstep? you clearly don't understand liberals. I believe the term "Herding cats" was used to describe thier tendancy for unity.


THIS

When my teabagger uncle asked me "Are you a librul?", I realized he meant in the sense Limbaugh and Beck use it. I tried to explain that there is not such thing but he thought I was being liberal-evasive, as instructed in the latest directive from the collective.
 
2012-07-09 07:42:30 AM

Gwyrddu: The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

Of course I doubt the philosophies back then translate that well into the 21st century. I think the reality is that as people age they tend to become less extremist. Since US politics is pretty far to the right, that would mean usually becoming liberal as you get older in the US.


They don't translate at all. I do not know when exactly the first quote was made, but judging by the man's age I presume he made it before the 1848 revolutions (during the time of the French Monarchy), or during/after the revolutions, when across Europe representational governments began to appear in limited numbers. Or perhaps he made it after Napoleon III had his coup. The leftist "Republicans" of the day were radicals compared to their counterparts on the right, the monarchists, the autocrats, the pro-Napoleon parties and individuals. There are absolutely no connections or similarities between the French Republicans of the 19th Century and America's GOP. Absolutely none.
 
2012-07-09 07:46:20 AM

acefox1: Oh no he DI'INT!!!?!?!

Good for him!

If you grew up and still parrot all of the exact same politics as your parents you probably need some time apart. Spending a few months travelling around Europe and the third world would be a good start.


I think we can all agree that parroting someone else is a bad idea, you should learn to think for yourself. That includes parroting such noted 21st century intellectuals as Stewart and Colbert.
 
2012-07-09 07:57:32 AM
Republicans ran a smear campaign against a 12 year old with brain damage because his family advocated for expanding the SCHIP program.

This kid has made himself the enemy of a vast legion of unhinged retards that have no morals.
 
2012-07-09 08:01:49 AM
Wow, that kid knows how to write. I wish I wrote that well when I was 17.
 
2012-07-09 08:10:02 AM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


Step 3: Block 18 yr olds from voting

Republican Plan for success.
 
2012-07-09 08:17:29 AM

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.


Clarence Thomas spoke at our local university a few years ago. He spoke, naturally, to an all-Republican crowd, many of whom openly thanked him for "preserving the conservative agenda" (re: not the Constitution). One of his first statements was that he was a liberal, but then he grew up. Applause, applause.

Then I got to thinking: if being "grown up" means I stop caring about the poor and the people without rights, that I stop wondering about the long-term solution rather than quick fixes, then I don't wanna grow up.
 
2012-07-09 08:18:19 AM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


1. We did that, since the vast majority of 13 year olds are idiots.
2. No one is doing that. The kid is explaining why step 1 was actually the proper step to take.
 
2012-07-09 08:23:42 AM

wademh: Damned education. It keeps turning them into liberals.


Honestly... probably, in this case. Dude's just not capable of thinking things through on his own and goes with whatever his peer group is saying. It'll wear off when he gets a real job-- once the primary metric for your success involves what you do for a living and not everyone liking you you tend to take a step back and actually consider your political opinions instead of just researching them.

And he'll probably end up in the center somewhere like an increasing majority of Americans. Which means he'll still be voting Dem, yeah, but likely not for entirely the same reasons.

//Not down on researching your politics, it's a good first step. For undergrads, though, it tends to just kind of... stop at that step.
 
2012-07-09 08:38:09 AM
Important question: Thumbs up or thumbs down on the Robb Stark beard?
 
2012-07-09 08:38:32 AM

Going for the ad hom here, but . . .

The kid was a smart ass at 13 and a hipster douchebag at 17 . . . why does anyone care one way or the other?

media.salon.com
What a Hipster Douchebag might look like.
 
2012-07-09 08:40:45 AM

Mrtraveler01: Yes, because that's the same position that Obama is at.

Seriously though, a right of center stance is still pretty liberal by CPAC standards.


Basically... 'Those CPAC people are so far to the right that everyone but them is liberal... But in my unbiased opinion over here Obama isn't left wing'

So... Basically you're freely admitting that you're just the left wing version of a CPAC follower? That's not something to brag about.

There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.
 
2012-07-09 08:41:14 AM

Lackofname: I want to give this kid kudos, I really do. But... being the exalted age of 16, he knows way more now.

Let's get back to him when he's close to 30, and then see what he thinks.


At least he knows enough not to have a 13 year old kid speak at a national conference.
 
2012-07-09 08:43:16 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


Because they are extremely partisan and they have begun admonishing policies that they once defended?
 
2012-07-09 08:46:50 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


It actually is exactly because of that. He can get them to fight their own policies with just a few words. They exist only to oppose. They don't even have a governing philosophy anymore.
 
2012-07-09 08:47:31 AM
Damn, I regret not wording that one better.
 
2012-07-09 08:47:36 AM

randomjsa: derp


You said Basically twice.
 
2012-07-09 08:49:19 AM

keylock71: This kid must be the exception to the rule... As far as I can tell, Republicans never grow up.


Except the Catholic ones. How are you going to molest children without first growing up?
 
2012-07-09 08:50:34 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.

Clarence Thomas spoke at our local university a few years ago. He spoke, naturally, to an all-Republican crowd, many of whom openly thanked him for "preserving the conservative agenda" (re: not the Constitution). One of his first statements was that he was a liberal, but then he grew up. Applause, applause.

Then I got to thinking: if being "grown up" means I stop caring about the poor and the people without rights, that I stop wondering about the long-term solution rather than quick fixes, then I don't wanna grow up.


Isn't showing compassion and learning how to deal with real-life problems an adult endeavor? The fact that Republicans always go for the insult shows how inherently childish their worldview is. They're not interested in solving problems, they're scoring points in an imaginary game.

Fart_Machine: At least he knows enough not to have a 13 year old kid speak at a national conference.


Not to mention this. Who the hell bases the feasibility of their ideology on some prepubescent spouting their talking points? The whole thing is absurd and stinks of the brainwashing Republicans need to further their agenda. Whatever their agenda may be...it just comes off as 'I get to do what I want always wah wah wah.'

When the final pages of the Republican Party are written, it will have to throw in this whole affair as why they were pretty awful fascists: they cheered a young boy when he just spouted their talking points without thinking about them. As soon as he was old enough to make up his own mind, he had to die, because that same person actually thought about their bullshiat and decided it wasn't for him.
 
2012-07-09 08:51:36 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


Exactly. They just hate it when poor people can afford to be healthy. And fluorescent light. And the love to smoke as cheaply as possible.

It's really all due to those three things.
 
2012-07-09 08:51:42 AM

Wyalt Derp: Drayen: FTFA: "I would love it if a bunch of angry right-wingers stopped saying stupid things about me. I also want a six-pack, a mansion in the Hamptons and a beautiful woman with cans the size of my head. "

What's his Fark handle?


Weedlord Bonerhitler.
 
2012-07-09 08:53:37 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


What abhorrent domestic policies are you even talking about? Obamacare, the republican answer to hillarycare/romneycare? Or the continuing republican tax cuts? Or is it continuing Bush era programs and laws in the name of stopping terrorism? Or possibly continuing the war on medical marijuana?
 
2012-07-09 08:56:15 AM

animal color: List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17


I don't know if maintaining this list is a personal project for you but kudos for keeping it around.
 
2012-07-09 08:57:14 AM

maxx2112: Going for the ad hom here, but . . .

The kid was a smart ass at 13 and a hipster douchebag at 17 . . . why does anyone care one way or the other?

[media.salon.com image 460x307]
What a Hipster Douchebag might look like.


he's not a hipster, he wears those glasses because he's a genuine nerd.
 
2012-07-09 09:05:54 AM

animal color: List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17


I still think it would be easier to do a list of people, places, groups and concepts NOT conspiring against the GOP.
 
2012-07-09 09:06:59 AM

GAT_00: Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.


Thank god I read LOTR then.

Actually one of my favorite books when I was like 9 was a book called "The Girl Who Owned a City." All humans over the age of 16 die and kids are left to fend for themselves. years later I went to go look it up again and found out the author was a Randite (?) who wrote this as an early introduction to objectivism. PIssed me the hell off. Thank god it never took root.
 
2012-07-09 09:07:23 AM

animal color: Jonathan Krohn at age 17


duly noted, I've updated my copy.
 
2012-07-09 09:07:37 AM

LordJiro: I still think it would be easier to do a list of people, places, groups and concepts NOT conspiring against the GOP.


1. The GOP (at least some of it)
2....
 
2012-07-09 09:07:55 AM

HotWingConspiracy: randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.

It actually is exactly because of that. He can get them to fight their own policies with just a few words. They exist only to oppose. They don't even have a governing philosophy anymore.


And they get their news from very poor/biased sources and have a poor understanding of the facts. Just from a short conversation yesterday:
"Obama has the worst track record on jobs of any president ever"
"Obama is responsible for more debt then every single president combined."
"The reason we're in so much debt is because Obama is giving all our money to foreign countries."
"Where are all the jobs? He's spending all this money and yet there's no jobs any where, he's probably pocketing the money."
 
2012-07-09 09:09:24 AM

Jim_Callahan: Sabyen91: Jim_Callahan: He's, what, 17? No one gives a single fark about what he thinks, either, and rightly so.

They did 4 years ago...

No, no they didn't. It was a random meme used as an excuse for the usual standard bickering, just like publishing his equally useless shiat now.


I guess they just invited him to speak at CPAC because they weren't able to fill all the time slots?

I don't even care about this particular memory hole. We all latch onto curiosities of personality, like a 13 year old who doesn't just believe what his parents taught him, but has practiced delivering that message and become fairly effective in its dissemination. If he were staunchly liberal it'd have been just the same (more or less).

But now that the kid's flopped (read; grew older and developed his own ideas), conservatives are fighting one another to dump him from the rosters. And that's farking weird.

Here's what happened:
13 year old developed political awareness "at 8 years old" because of hearing about democratic filibusters of republican appointments and thought that was dumb. Goes on to practice public speaking and junk. He is invited to speak at CPAC and his speech lauded. The link to that thread is upthread.

13 year old aged an additional 30%. Changed his mind.

There is nothing shocking about this story aside from the amount of attention heaped upon him. And that was perpetrated by the conservatives of 2009 who were hero-less, rudderless, and struggling to unite in ideology in the face of the TEA Party movement.
 
2012-07-09 09:09:33 AM

ArgusRun: GAT_00: Calmamity:

Thank god I read LOTR then.

Actually one of my favorite books when I was like 9 was a book called "The Girl Who Owned a City." All humans over the age of 16 die and kids are left to fend for themselves. years later I went to go look it up again and found out the author was a Randite (?) who wrote this as an early introduction to objectivism. PIssed me the hell off. Thank god it never took root.


I loved that book!
 
2012-07-09 09:09:35 AM

LordJiro: I still think it would be easier to do a list of people, places, groups and concepts NOT conspiring against the GOP.


It would be shorter (did I miss anyone?):

Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum
 
2012-07-09 09:12:47 AM

Satanic_Hamster: And they get their news from very poor/biased sources and have a poor understanding of the facts. Just from a short conversation yesterday:


I got an email that my grandfather had sent everybody in his address book similar to that over the weekend.
The first line: "I am providing these facts because they are the truth. I will not be quiet and I do not care if it upsets those that read it. This is the truth."
The second line: "Would you re-elect someone that doubled the national debt since 2008?"

I didn't read the third line.
 
2012-07-09 09:13:48 AM

bulldg4life: randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.

Because they are extremely partisan and they have begun admonishing policies that they once defended?


I'm still getting over the fact that randomjsa not only actually responded to something but bit my troll as well.

I can already tell that it's going to be a great day!
 
2012-07-09 09:15:40 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


Because Obama stole their ideas?
 
2012-07-09 09:20:52 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


If it's not because of anything else, you are saying that there is no reason, and that it's just blind, unthinking opposition.
 
2012-07-09 09:24:25 AM
Teenager changes his mind about something. And later, something that's within 5 feet of you can kill your children. Find out what it is and weather with Skip Winkman at 11.
 
2012-07-09 09:26:32 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


There is only one reason the moderate Obama agenda is so wholeheartedly rejected by the GOP: because it is politically expedient for them to do so.

I'm sure you realize that most of Obama's agenda consists of policy that was not long ago Republican policy in good standing. Obviously his policies aren't liberal ones by any objective standard... The guy is a moderate by any definition.

Obamacare was a Heritage Foundation plan, and the GOP supported a plan with an individual mandate for nearly 20 years before Obama reluctantly took it up because he thought it could work. Why are so many of these former supporters now suddenly constitutional scholars who call it "unconstitutional"? Well just take some motivated reasoning and add a dash of post-rationalization and you get a whole lotta derp.
 
2012-07-09 09:27:19 AM

Skarekrough: animal color: List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
[snip]

I don't know if maintaining this list is a personal project for you but kudos for keeping it around.


It's not mine. I'm not that smart. I'm not sure who created the list, but I do believe it needs to be kept alive as a symbol of how barking mad we've become.

It may also need a good edit.
 
2012-07-09 09:28:48 AM
Anybody recall notable examples of libby libs converting to Republicans?

Besides Reagan, of course...
 
2012-07-09 09:28:53 AM

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.


This is why I say Objectivism is to deep thought as McDonald's is to fine dining. And I think it's no coincidence that a lot of people never grow out of either.
 
2012-07-09 09:30:17 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


Because despite deifying Reagan (whose political views are now somewhere between George McGovern and George Harrison by comparison to the new 21st Century standard Right-Wing Derp Political Spectrum), they have no idea what the f*ck he did on this mortal coil. So, Obummer bad, despite looking a heckuva lot like Reagan.
 
2012-07-09 09:30:51 AM
I'm totally shocked that Right-wingers would belittle someone for realizing the world is bigger than a 13-year old's perspective.
 
2012-07-09 09:31:30 AM

imontheinternet: Teenager changes his mind about something. And later, something that's within 5 feet of you can kill your children. Find out what it is and weather with Skip Winkman at 11.


Autumn leaves. A stark reminder of how tenuous a grip we have on life. But also of how our creator gifts us with breath, life, and prosperity.

Until he doesn't.

This has been Flips Tips, on Adult Swim.
 
2012-07-09 09:33:09 AM

NewportBarGuy: Then I went out into the world and realized all of that childish bullsh*t was just some sort of bizarre view of the world. I still can't really explain what drew me to that nonsense.



You don't understand how a "me first" mentallity would entice a child?
 
2012-07-09 09:33:57 AM

mrshowrules: Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum


Those people are acting against the GOP's long-term interests (survival/maintaining relevance over the long term), whether they know it or not.

Republicans need to begin facing the fact that they're a dying breed, and either start moving toward the left or split up into other new or existing parties: Libertarian, Conservative, Christian, and Fascist (call it National Front or something, to sound better). The former two will become more popular than the latter two (which mostly serves to contain the crazies) and actually have a chance at becoming major parties if that split happens. Democrats would then move to the left in response and actually become a liberal party. Then we'll have more of the political balance you see in places like Canada and western European countries.
 
2012-07-09 09:34:37 AM

NewportBarGuy: I still can't really explain what drew me to that nonsense.


Children have immature cognitive abilities, and strong narcissistic streaks, which makes them just like the average republican.

/"Me, me, me! I pay my taxes! I don't like homos! I don't want to hear your so called facts!" You get the idea.
 
2012-07-09 09:36:21 AM

mrshowrules: Rinsed Penis



encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-07-09 09:38:24 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: mrshowrules: Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum

Those people are acting against the GOP's long-term interests (survival/maintaining relevance over the long term), whether they know it or not.

Republicans need to begin facing the fact that they're a dying breed, and either start moving toward the left or split up into other new or existing parties: Libertarian, Conservative, Christian, and Fascist (call it NationalStormFront or something, to sound better). The former two will become more popular than the latter two (which mostly serves to contain the crazies) and actually have a chance at becoming major parties if that split happens. Democrats would then move to the left in response and actually become a liberal party. Then we'll have more of the political balance you see in places like Canada and western European countries.


FTFY
 
2012-07-09 09:40:24 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: mrshowrules: Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum

Those people are acting against the GOP's long-term interests (survival/maintaining relevance over the long term), whether they know it or not.

Republicans need to begin facing the fact that they're a dying breed, and either start moving toward the left or split up into other new or existing parties: Libertarian, Conservative, Christian, and Fascist (call it National Front or something, to sound better). The former two will become more popular than the latter two (which mostly serves to contain the crazies) and actually have a chance at becoming major parties if that split happens. Democrats would then move to the left in response and actually become a liberal party. Then we'll have more of the political balance you see in places like Canada and western European countries.


Except Canada farked up by splitting the Liberal vote across two-parties which but Canadian Conservative Stephen Sweater-vest (Rick Santorum-lite) in charge.
 
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