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(Salon)   Kid who gave a speech at CPAC writes an op-ed about no longer being a Republican. "These are scorned right-wingers showing all the maturity of a little boy. No wonder I fit in so well when I was 13"   (salon.com) divider line 274
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2012-07-09 02:03:00 AM

Sabyen91: HotWingAgenda: Give him another 20 or 30 years and he'll swing back towards practical conservatism. Not republicanism, but actual conservatism - responsible taxation for public works, reduced welfare, no meddling in people's private social rights, etc.

The vast majority of democrats and republicans are in violent agreement with one another.

Yes, "practical conservatism". That isn't a myth or anything.


I dare you to say that to Eisenhower's ghost. Or Teddy Roosevelt's.
 
2012-07-09 02:05:01 AM

HotWingAgenda: Sabyen91: HotWingAgenda: Give him another 20 or 30 years and he'll swing back towards practical conservatism. Not republicanism, but actual conservatism - responsible taxation for public works, reduced welfare, no meddling in people's private social rights, etc.

The vast majority of democrats and republicans are in violent agreement with one another.

Yes, "practical conservatism". That isn't a myth or anything.

I dare you to say that to Eisenhower's ghost. Or Teddy Roosevelt's.


If I had a time machine I would....
 
2012-07-09 02:07:10 AM

GAT_00: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.


John Galt was an orc? FINALLY the book makes sense!
 
2012-07-09 02:09:33 AM

ImpendingCynic: GAT_00: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.

John Galt was an orc? FINALLY the book makes sense!


An orc? No, Galt was a troll.
 
2012-07-09 02:16:52 AM

The Why Not Guy: Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.

I don't think he's a Liberal now. He's just no longer a Conservative, and he's exploring the world around him. My guess is he'll create his own identity.

But points to you for taking a story about a young man who grows and matures, and decides he's no longer a Conservative and turning that into "Liberals are bad!"


It's a typical symptom of the Republican worldview. "If you're not with us, you're against us".
 
2012-07-09 02:17:03 AM

HotWingAgenda: I dare you to say that to Eisenhower's ghost. Or Teddy Roosevelt's.


The irony there is the furthest to the right anyone can reasonably claim of either of those is pretty well dead center. Eisenhower ran as a Republican because Truman and the Democratic party pissed him off, and prior to that was ardently unaffiliated. Roosevelt was an ardent progressive and reformist, and -- get this -- an environmentalist.

In either case, both of them are situated pretty well to the left of even today's Democrats in the big picture.
 
2012-07-09 02:18:24 AM

HotWingAgenda: Give him another 20 or 30 years and he'll swing back towards practical conservatism. Not republicanism, but actual conservatism - responsible taxation for public works, reduced welfare, no meddling in people's private social rights, etc.


That's not "conservatism", that's libertarianism with taxation.

Conservatives require Christianity, you can't be an atheist conservative. You also have to be a nationalistic, provincal, authoritarian prick.

Fox News is responsible for this myth of "pragmatic, compassionate, conservatism".
 
2012-07-09 02:19:49 AM
Isn't this a repeat?
 
2012-07-09 02:20:23 AM

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.


If you think Ayn Rand sums up your beliefs perfectly and you're a Republican, or even a Libertarian, you didn't read her writings completely. Or maybe you just thought Atlas Shrugged was a how-to guide.
 
2012-07-09 02:23:49 AM

wedun: Conservatives require Christianity mammon worship.


That's a totally different thing than Christianity. Look it up, Christ didn't like it.
/at all.
 
2012-07-09 02:24:09 AM

The Why Not Guy: Jim_Callahan: No, no they didn't.

Then why was he a featured speaker at CPAC, the nation's largest Conservative gathering?


Clearly, he was a liberal plant to make the Republicans look foolish during the 2012 general election.

All of the people cheering for him? Liberal plants.

The FoxNews talking heads calling him the next Sean Hannity? Liberal plants.

Sean Hannity? Liberal plant.

Apparently this is what Jim Callahan actually believes.
 
2012-07-09 02:24:25 AM

IlGreven: If you think Ayn Rand sums up your beliefs perfectly and you're a Republican, or even a Libertarian, you didn't read her writings completely. Or maybe you just thought Atlas Shrugged was a how-to guide.


I think the world's had enough of that evil coont's psychopath worship -- but, okay, I'll bite. Tell us, O wise one, how should we correctly interpret Rand's works?
 
2012-07-09 02:26:42 AM

James F. Campbell: IlGreven: If you think Ayn Rand sums up your beliefs perfectly and you're a Republican, or even a Libertarian, you didn't read her writings completely. Or maybe you just thought Atlas Shrugged was a how-to guide.

I think the world's had enough of that evil coont's psychopath worship -- but, okay, I'll bite. Tell us, O wise one, how should we correctly interpret Rand's works?


I don't think he was defending her.
 
2012-07-09 02:40:13 AM

Sabyen91: I don't think he was defending her.


Yes, he is. He's implying that if you read and correctly interpret Ayn Rand's works and then follow her beliefs, you won't turn out to be an evil, shiat-sucking bastard.
 
2012-07-09 02:41:16 AM

Sabyen91: ArcadianRefugee: How many op-eds is this guy gonna write about it? We know.

Cry moar. It is a followup.


Great, it's a followup. Wah.

"I was a stupid kid. Details at 11. And again tomorrow at 5, 6, 9, and 11."
 
2012-07-09 02:42:26 AM
Kid practically nailed it. Most of the right-wing nutjobs I know have the intellectual capacity of a 13-year old at best.
 
2012-07-09 02:49:44 AM

Pincy: Kid practically nailed it. Most of the right-wing nutjobs I know have the intellectual capacity of a 13-year old at best.


Just look at how many signed Grover Norquist's stupid pledge.
 
2012-07-09 02:57:17 AM
Hopefully he won't be old enough to be able to vote by November.
 
2012-07-09 03:15:33 AM

Ambivalence: You think liberals are lockstep? you clearly don't understand liberals. I believe the term "Herding cats" was used to describe thier tendancy for unity.


"Do I belong to an organized political party? Heck No, I'm a Democrat"
 
2012-07-09 03:17:48 AM
I want to give this kid kudos, I really do. But... being the exalted age of 16, he knows way more now.

Let's get back to him when he's close to 30, and then see what he thinks.
 
2012-07-09 03:21:13 AM

WaffleStomper: Hopefully he won't be old enough to be able to vote by November.


Yes, I'm sure his vote will make crucial difference as to whether Romney wins New York or not.

/Because only people who agree with you politically should be allowed to vote.
 
2012-07-09 03:25:55 AM

Lackofname: I want to give this kid kudos, I really do. But... being the exalted age of 16, he knows way more now.

Let's get back to him when he's close to 30, and then see what he thinks.


People tend to become more liberal as they get older.
 
2012-07-09 03:29:57 AM
The kid is obviously on drugs. Probably bath salts or dope. Grover Norquist continues to show what good ideas 13 year old boys have when it comes to government.
 
2012-07-09 03:30:34 AM

mahuika: The one grain of salt I give to Ayn Rand is that she actually spent a few formative years in the USSR, which were, by all accounts, fairly traumatic. I entirely disagree with her philosophy and outlook, but I really think that to her, Objectivism was just the entire opposite of what Stalin supposedly stood for.


This. Anthem is a decent book that parallels her life as she saw it. The ironic thing to me is that all of her book's protagonists actually make things outside of philosophy and literature. Hell, one of her largest failures is to recognize that her ideas are not exactly on par with her denigration of the "users" and "parasites". Roark - architect, Dagny - railroad entrepreneur, Reardon - steel worker. None of these people wrote books or hobnobbed with social elites. They all worked, and all were antithetical to Rand herself.
 
2012-07-09 03:34:44 AM

Weaver95: NewportBarGuy: Weaver95: it's not worth it. it really isn't.

Why do you always have to bring reason into my desire for petty revenge? Damn you!

I like to think that the idiots of this world are a self solving problem. eventually they'll weed themselves out of the gene pool...we just have to be patient and give them plenty of opportunities to try a lot of dangerous stunts.


Octomom x 14. Good luck with that.
 
2012-07-09 03:51:15 AM
"Cans the size of [his] head??" He really never has been with a woman. Jeez those would be freakish.
 
2012-07-09 03:54:28 AM
Conservatives: Objectivist Fascists

Libertarians: Objectivist Archaists

Democrats: Pretty much everyone else, running the gamut from bleeding hearts to Blue Dogs
 
2012-07-09 04:20:26 AM
I'm just thankful that unlike this kid, there was no YouTube around when I was a teenage right-winger. My friends and I actually performed a modern dance thing on state at several Operation Rescue events to standing ovations, if that had been today instead of the early '90s the videos would be on the Internet following me for the rest of my life.

I feel for this kid.
 
2012-07-09 04:38:16 AM

Gwyrddu: WaffleStomper: Hopefully he won't be old enough to be able to vote by November.

Yes, I'm sure his vote will make crucial difference as to whether Romney wins New York or not.

/Because only people who agree with you politically should be allowed to vote.


I said that where? I didn't. You're a pinhead. Thanks for playing
 
2012-07-09 04:39:18 AM

stoli n coke: Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.

You seem to have a vested interest in winning back this 17 year old boy. You trying to tell us something?


The conservative mindset disallows changing one's opinions as one matures.
 
2012-07-09 04:43:15 AM
what asshat said you're a fool to not be liberal when you're young and conservative when you're old?

i'm regressing and should be ready to sign the card for party membership in furthering the red proletariat cause in another five years or so.
 
2012-07-09 04:46:34 AM

WaffleStomper: I said that where? I didn't. You're a pinhead. Thanks for playing


You implied it by saying he hopes he won't be able to vote. I very much doubt you'd hold the same opinion of him if he agreed with your political views. He's already shown more wisdom than a lot of people much older than him by knowing when he's wrong and that no group of philosophy has all the answers.
 
2012-07-09 04:53:39 AM

Omahawg: what asshat said you're a fool to not be liberal when you're young and conservative when you're old?

i'm regressing and should be ready to sign the card for party membership in furthering the red proletariat cause in another five years or so.


The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

Of course I doubt the philosophies back then translate that well into the 21st century. I think the reality is that as people age they tend to become less extremist. Since US politics is pretty far to the right, that would mean usually becoming liberal as you get older in the US.
 
2012-07-09 05:12:54 AM
he had me at his first properly used comma.

/something I fail at, obviously
 
2012-07-09 05:18:36 AM
Hmm, has he reached the "I hate my parents" stage or the "Holy shiat the whole system is farked up harder than a Win98 machine without an AV and nothing but porn sites and rom's in it's history".

Ah, third option... Attention whore, maybe?

Sorta reminds me of the child preachers going on about homosexuality. They just seem like the new FFA.

/In case you're wondering, I'm at "Holy shiat the system is farked up" stage myself.
 
2012-07-09 06:46:17 AM

Drayen: FTFA: "I would love it if a bunch of angry right-wingers stopped saying stupid things about me. I also want a six-pack, a mansion in the Hamptons and a beautiful woman with cans the size of my head. "


What's his Fark handle?
 
2012-07-09 06:48:01 AM
This kid must be the exception to the rule... As far as I can tell, Republicans never grow up.
 
2012-07-09 06:49:20 AM

Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.


It matters not - he will most likely outlive them by many decades.
 
2012-07-09 06:49:41 AM
Damned education. It keeps turning them into liberals.
 
2012-07-09 06:50:47 AM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


Why is there a Smart button and a Funny button but no Knob button?
 
2012-07-09 06:53:05 AM
This reminds me so much of people who trundle out 'former Christian' turned Atheist or 'former Atheist' turned Christian, or various other 'former this' turned 'that'. As if trundling out somebody who changed their mind about something means anything.

A 13 year old who can parrot what he or she is told by others is nothing special but then again a 17 year old who can do the same thing isn't special either. Your political views may shift as you age and sorry kids, they do not shift toward or away from the left or the right as you 'mature' or 'grow up'.

If he shifts back to a more right of center position 4-5 years from now does that make you feel invalidated? Just because he's saying things now that make you vindicated in some fashion doesn't really make what he's saying now any more correct or relevant than what he said at age 13. The kid is 17 for goodness sakes. Most 18-24 year old people don't even have a clue about their life yet.
 
2012-07-09 06:56:03 AM
These are not adults leveling serious criticism; these are scorned right-wingers showing all the maturity of a little boy.

It's worse
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2012-07-09 06:56:26 AM

SilentStrider: Weaver95: I like to think that the idiots of this world are a self solving problem. eventually they'll weed themselves out of the gene pool...we just have to be patient and give them plenty of opportunities to try a lot of dangerous stunts.

the problem is that idiots have a high probability of passing their stupidity on genetically before they're removed from the pool.


A lot of their kids don't seem to be infected. That's why I think they (the idiocracy) are heading for extinction. And given the age of most of them they will become irrelevant well before that happens.
 
2012-07-09 07:00:47 AM
He's still at the age where he thinks either party gives a damn about serving his best interests.
That's adorable.

/With the right ad campaign, any candidate can be both Demagogue and Corporate whore at the same time.
/The red flags should have gone up when they started spending hundred of millions to tell us about people that aren't worth knowing.
 
2012-07-09 07:04:54 AM

kg2095: SilentStrider: Weaver95: I like to think that the idiots of this world are a self solving problem. eventually they'll weed themselves out of the gene pool...we just have to be patient and give them plenty of opportunities to try a lot of dangerous stunts.

the problem is that idiots have a high probability of passing their stupidity on genetically before they're removed from the pool.

A lot of their kids don't seem to be infected. That's why I think they (the idiocracy) are heading for extinction. And given the age of most of them they will become irrelevant well before that happens.


Not for lack of trying - go watch Jesus Camp.
 
2012-07-09 07:17:16 AM
"Look at you liberals taking this kid way too seriously."

"Uhm, we're not. We're applauding him for saying 'you' took him way too seriously."
 
2012-07-09 07:18:10 AM

kg2095: Why is there a Smart button and a Funny button but no Knob button?


There is -- it's the red button on the far right of each post.
 
2012-07-09 07:23:11 AM
List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17
 
2012-07-09 07:23:37 AM
"manifold" reasons? Pretentious nerd.
 
2012-07-09 07:38:26 AM

randomjsa: If he shifts back to a more right of center position 4-5 years from now does that make you feel invalidated?


Yes, because that's the same position that Obama is at.

Seriously though, a right of center stance is still pretty liberal by CPAC standards.
 
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