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(Salon)   Kid who gave a speech at CPAC writes an op-ed about no longer being a Republican. "These are scorned right-wingers showing all the maturity of a little boy. No wonder I fit in so well when I was 13"   (salon.com) divider line 274
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2012-07-09 12:33:38 AM

GAT_00: I can think of half a trillion in spending that can go with a cost of maybe 200,000 jobs. We've shed a million government jobs for just a couple of billion in savings. All that military spending goes to pointless production, not jobs.


I actually disagree with this, to a certain extent.

The military-industrial complex (which is, in all due honesty, the source of the overwhelming majority of that spending) can go sit and spin for what I care, but on the other hand our military does have palpable benefits not the least of which is as a ready source of soft power. The key is that our military ought to be decidedly less...mercenary...in its distribution and application of assets, and decidedly more humanitarian.
 
2012-07-09 12:34:19 AM
 
2012-07-09 12:36:39 AM

mahuika: I saw on his Twitter that his mother (who still identifies as a conservative Republican) lost a friend over him "coming out" as liberal, and I just wanted to punch the world. Who the hell does that?

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.

The one grain of salt I give to Ayn Rand is that she actually spent a few formative years in the USSR, which were, by all accounts, fairly traumatic. I entirely disagree with her philosophy and outlook, but I really think that to her, Objectivism was just the entire opposite of what Stalin supposedly stood for.

Americans who grew up upper-middle-class and think that legalizing gay marriage = a lack of freedom? Yeah, no grain of salt for you, not yours.


That's the problem. She thought writing bad novels was a profound act while creating her own cult of personality. Then she went on Social Security.
 
2012-07-09 12:36:44 AM
Oh no he DI'INT!!!?!?!

Good for him!

If you grew up and still parrot all of the exact same politics as your parents you probably need some time apart. Spending a few months travelling around Europe and the third world would be a good start.
 
2012-07-09 12:41:15 AM
America cares what this kid has to say but ignores Ralph Nader.
 
2012-07-09 12:41:42 AM

Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.


Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.
 
2012-07-09 12:42:40 AM

Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.


We had to wait 56 posts for this? 0/10.
 
2012-07-09 12:42:52 AM

Weaver95: MBK: I can't wait until this kid gets death threats from Freepers and their ilk.

i'm sure he already has, but has the good grace not to talk about it.


Actually, they just think he's in the closet.
 
2012-07-09 12:43:09 AM

xanadian: You saying he super-teabagged them?


Golden Teabagged them.
/I wouldn't recommend a GIS
 
2012-07-09 12:45:45 AM

Calmamity: GAT_00: serial_crusher: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Who is doing that?

The liberals in his head.


They have good meds for that nowadays.
 
2012-07-09 12:49:02 AM

Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.


And they're gonna vote Republican because...?
 
2012-07-09 12:57:53 AM

stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?


Soshalizm DUH
 
2012-07-09 01:04:09 AM
He's, what, 17? No one gives a single fark about what he thinks, either, and rightly so.
 
2012-07-09 01:04:45 AM

johne3819: stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?

Soshalizm DUH


www.teufelaffe.com
 
2012-07-09 01:04:51 AM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


Pussy.
 
2012-07-09 01:05:09 AM

stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?


They're just not going to vote. Any more than anyone in the 18-24 bracket ever votes.
 
2012-07-09 01:05:26 AM

Jim_Callahan: He's, what, 17? No one gives a single fark about what he thinks, either, and rightly so.


They did 4 years ago...
 
2012-07-09 01:06:45 AM

Gyrfalcon: stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?

They're just not going to vote. Any more than anyone in the 18-24 bracket ever votes.


I question the bolded portion. Stoli is not a right wing troll but he apparently buys the bullshiat.
 
2012-07-09 01:08:20 AM
I'm a Republican, I'm not a social conservative.

I'll keep registering Republican and voting in the primaries, local and general elections because I was here before the social conservative morons started registering Republican and I'll be here after they leave.

Fark the social conservatives and the unions.
 
2012-07-09 01:08:47 AM

GAT_00: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.


I read Snowcrash at 14. It has much the same effect.

/Read Atlas Shugged at 13; it's an object lesson in how a very smart person can be very wrong
//still haven't read LotR.
///35
 
2012-07-09 01:10:15 AM

Teufelaffe: johne3819: stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?

Soshalizm DUH

[www.teufelaffe.com image 400x501]


Very well done, I award you 3 Internets
 
2012-07-09 01:10:30 AM

Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?

They're just not going to vote. Any more than anyone in the 18-24 bracket ever votes.

I question the bolded portion. Stoli is not a right wing troll but he apparently buys the bullshiat.


Oh, I saw that. I was just giving him a chance to extoil the job creating superstrategy Mittens has unveiled.
 
2012-07-09 01:10:43 AM

Sabyen91: Jim_Callahan: He's, what, 17? No one gives a single fark about what he thinks, either, and rightly so.

They did 4 years ago...


No, no they didn't. It was a random meme used as an excuse for the usual standard bickering, just like publishing his equally useless shiat now.
 
2012-07-09 01:10:53 AM

clovis69: I'm a Republican, I'm not a social conservative.

I'll keep registering Republican and voting in the primaries, local and general elections because I was here before the social conservative morons started registering Republican and I'll be here after they leave.

Fark the social conservatives and the unions.


Congratulations, you're part of the problem. Because as long as you vote Republican while the party supports social conservatives, you encourage the social conservatives.
 
2012-07-09 01:11:17 AM

xanadian: He sounds like a filthy librul.


The ironic thing here is that Eisenhower was quite liberal. The divisions between him and the Democratic party that would mark his later political career were in direct regards to the Cold War (Eisenhower was strongly opposed to hawkishness and antagonism towards the Soviet Union) and the nuclear arms race (he was also anti-nuke). As Army Chief of Staff, Eisenhower, his positions and experience, were marginalized by Truman and his administration.

Truman actually approached Eisenhower to be his running mate in '48, and again to run for President as a Democrat in '52. Eisenhower (obviously) refused, given his deep dissatisfaction with Truman's foreign policies which made the Cold War and the nuclear arms race an inevitability, and Truman's mishandling of Korea, and his marginalization under the Truman administration.

Which, ironically, the Eisenhower presidency was the death knell of Republican moderation.Today's GOP is very much "your father's GOP" -- everything the Republican party has done the last three years dates back to the '50s and '60s in means and goals. The Red Scare, the Southern Strategy, the culling of the Rockefeller Republicans by Buckley, Kristol, Goldwater and others, the list goes on. Literally nothing is different, but for the difference in language and the personalities that drive it (which yet match the political dialogue and landscape for its time).
 
2012-07-09 01:12:30 AM

stoli n coke: Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?

They're just not going to vote. Any more than anyone in the 18-24 bracket ever votes.

I question the bolded portion. Stoli is not a right wing troll but he apparently buys the bullshiat.

Oh, I saw that. I was just giving him a chance to extoil the job creating superstrategy Mittens has unveiled.


Ohhh, you were responding to Brubold. My apologies.
 
2012-07-09 01:13:46 AM

Jim_Callahan: Sabyen91: Jim_Callahan: He's, what, 17? No one gives a single fark about what he thinks, either, and rightly so.

They did 4 years ago...

No, no they didn't. It was a random meme used as an excuse for the usual standard bickering, just like publishing his equally useless shiat now.


Using him or not his beliefs mattered 4 years ago. It is cool to read his response to his younger self.
 
2012-07-09 01:15:08 AM
How many op-eds is this guy gonna write about it? We know.
 
2012-07-09 01:15:30 AM

LordJiro: clovis69: I'm a Republican, I'm not a social conservative.

I'll keep registering Republican and voting in the primaries, local and general elections because I was here before the social conservative morons started registering Republican and I'll be here after they leave.

Fark the social conservatives and the unions.

Congratulations, you're part of the problem. Because as long as you vote Republican while the party supports social conservatives, you encourage the social conservatives.


If they're voting for the less teatarded primary candidates that is actually somewhat helpful.
 
2012-07-09 01:16:14 AM

ArcadianRefugee: How many op-eds is this guy gonna write about it? We know.


Cry moar. It is a followup.
 
2012-07-09 01:21:29 AM

ArcadianRefugee: How many op-eds is this guy gonna write about it? We know.


As long as it take for those that seek to keep this country back to see the errors of their way? The stupidity of their objections, the bald-faced lies they tell to keep their dogma relevant?
 
2012-07-09 01:21:58 AM

Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.


s3.amazonaws.com

/Why yes this is the second time I've used this on one of your posts.
 
2012-07-09 01:22:40 AM

thatboyoverthere: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 524x576]

/Why yes this is the second time I've used this on one of your posts.


Best part.
 
2012-07-09 01:23:33 AM

GAT_00: Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.


I was partial to For Whom the Bell Tolls. Who doesn't want to go on an adventure, enjoy the outdoors, be a badass, get the girl, fark up some assholes? Sure sometimes things don't work out exactly as we might like, but there's greatness, even immortality, in finishing well; particularly in the face of adversity.
 
2012-07-09 01:23:44 AM
And this is what drove me away from conservatism to my admittedly center-left position of independent mindedness (if that's a thing).

It takes a village to be independent minded.
 
2012-07-09 01:27:30 AM

Noam Chimpsky: And this is what drove me away from conservatism to my admittedly center-left position of independent mindedness (if that's a thing).

It takes a village to be independent minded.


Too bad no villages wanted to help you.
 
2012-07-09 01:29:19 AM

stoli n coke: Noam Chimpsky: And this is what drove me away from conservatism to my admittedly center-left position of independent mindedness (if that's a thing).

It takes a village to be independent minded.

Too bad no villages wanted to help you.


I was hoping for a head-shrinker villiage like in Gilligan's Island.

/I am not sure Noam's brain could become smaller though.
 
2012-07-09 01:39:33 AM
Give him another 20 or 30 years and he'll swing back towards practical conservatism. Not republicanism, but actual conservatism - responsible taxation for public works, reduced welfare, no meddling in people's private social rights, etc.

The vast majority of democrats and republicans are in violent agreement with one another.
 
2012-07-09 01:41:25 AM
He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.
 
2012-07-09 01:42:05 AM

HotWingAgenda: Give him another 20 or 30 years and he'll swing back towards practical conservatism. Not republicanism, but actual conservatism - responsible taxation for public works, reduced welfare, no meddling in people's private social rights, etc.

The vast majority of democrats and republicans are in violent agreement with one another.


Yes, "practical conservatism". That isn't a myth or anything.
 
2012-07-09 01:42:25 AM

Jim_Callahan: No, no they didn't.


Then why was he a featured speaker at CPAC, the nation's largest Conservative gathering?
 
2012-07-09 01:43:48 AM

Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.


You seem to have a vested interest in winning back this 17 year old boy. You trying to tell us something?
 
2012-07-09 01:51:44 AM

The Why Not Guy: Then why was he a featured speaker at CPAC, the nation's largest Conservative gathering?


You say that as if someone couldn't program a Speak & Spell with Republican talking points, stick a microphone up to it, and it would become the Next Great Conservative Real American Icon Lion Capitalism Free Market God-fearing White Hope. It'd get nominated for federal office for god's sake.

Look at Romney.
 
2012-07-09 01:52:49 AM

mahuika: Objectivism was just the entire opposite of what Stalin supposedly stood for.


Out of curiousity, I watched Atlas Shrugged (Part 1) and got the same impression. That is, instead of the poor workers, it's successful upper class people revolting. And instead of forcing their success on others, they just leave. The movie (and presumably the novel) almost seems like a parody. It's hard to take seriously, especially when the bad guys seem to be defined by their greed and stupidity.. and when the dialogue keeps going from "awkward" to "expository speech" and back.

Bucky Katt
That's the problem. She thought writing bad novels was a profound act while creating her own cult of personality.

She seems too... optimistic. That is, she pushes the hero cult thing with the intention that everyone can be a hero. Unfortunately, that's not how reality works. What she winds up pushing is that there are the heroes and then the mediocre people, who owe what they have to the heroes. The former is a pretty common appeal from conservatives, though only a few are honest or intelligent enough to admit that the latter is more realistic.
 
2012-07-09 01:54:30 AM
FTFA: "I would love it if a bunch of angry right-wingers stopped saying stupid things about me. I also want a six-pack, a mansion in the Hamptons and a beautiful woman with cans the size of my head. "

Personal. Hero.
 
2012-07-09 01:55:02 AM

that bosnian sniper: blah.


Well, Jim is claiming Conservatives didn't care about what this young man thought back when he was 13. So I'm wondering how he ended up as a featured speaker at the nation's largest annual gathering of Conservatives? I'm sure Jim has a reasonable explanation.

Otherwise I'll just default to "Jim_Callahan is a lying sack of shiat."
 
2012-07-09 01:57:29 AM

that bosnian sniper: The Why Not Guy: Then why was he a featured speaker at CPAC, the nation's largest Conservative gathering?

You say that as if someone couldn't program a Speak & Spell with Republican talking points, stick a microphone up to it, and it would become the Next Great Conservative Real American Icon Lion Capitalism Free Market God-fearing White Hope. It'd get nominated for federal office for god's sake.

Look at Romney.


...plus, giving this a second thought, he was a thirteen-year-old boy at the time. They were probably thinking about drugging him up and seeing which Congressman, pundit, lobbyist and/or wealthy donor would pay the highest troll toll. He's lucky Limbaugh didn't point at his butt and scream "THAR PUDDING THAR!" and lunge at him with a bottle of oxy in one hand and corpulent fat rolls in the other, raging two-inch half-boner exposed for all to see.
 
2012-07-09 01:57:57 AM

Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.


I don't think he's a Liberal now. He's just no longer a Conservative, and he's exploring the world around him. My guess is he'll create his own identity.

But points to you for taking a story about a young man who grows and matures, and decides he's no longer a Conservative and turning that into "Liberals are bad!"
 
2012-07-09 02:00:11 AM
Nothing from Jim, eh? Shocker. Well, I'm off to bed.
 
2012-07-09 02:00:47 AM

Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.


You think liberals are lockstep? you clearly don't understand liberals. I believe the term "Herding cats" was used to describe thier tendancy for unity.
 
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