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(Salon)   Kid who gave a speech at CPAC writes an op-ed about no longer being a Republican. "These are scorned right-wingers showing all the maturity of a little boy. No wonder I fit in so well when I was 13"   (salon.com) divider line 274
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2012-07-08 08:16:59 PM
Ba - zing!
 
2012-07-08 08:40:55 PM
Yep, that sounds about right.
 
2012-07-08 08:55:20 PM
If there was a photo of the Big Bang, it would not be enough for the "Oh SNAP" caption.
If there was a photo of the core of the Sun, it would not be enough for the "sick burn" caption.
This kid just pwned them so badly, they need 3 golden balls over their heads.
 
2012-07-08 09:07:31 PM
Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.
 
2012-07-08 09:27:58 PM
The kid has brains, class and integrity. There's no way he could have lasted very long as a right winger with those kind of handicaps.
 
2012-07-08 09:33:39 PM

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.


Same here. I was a subscriber to National Review, read all of WFB's books, even his horrible spy novels. Listened to Rush and even watched his TV show.

Then I went out into the world and realized all of that childish bullsh*t was just some sort of bizarre view of the world. I still can't really explain what drew me to that nonsense. I think it had to do with their overwhelming confidence that they were right, that they had the secret to wealth and happiness. I really thought at that age, that if you were a Republican and thought the way they did, you would magically become wealthy.

It's nice to see clearly now. However, some days... I wish I took the blue pill.
 
2012-07-08 09:35:30 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The kid has brains, class and integrity. There's no way he could have lasted very long as a right winger with those kind of handicaps.


Seriously, and for a 17 yr old he certainly knows how to write. I wouldn't go so far as to call him a Democrat -- he's clearly disillusioned by politics as a whole. Maybe with his talent and passion he could go on to make a difference, as hard as that is to believe.
 
2012-07-08 09:35:34 PM
 
2012-07-08 09:36:12 PM

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.


There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.
 
2012-07-08 09:46:30 PM
Does this article have new info from the first one that went green a few weeks ago?

/dnrtfa
//obviously
 
2012-07-08 09:49:10 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Does this article have new info from the first one that went green a few weeks ago?

/dnrtfa
//obviously


Yup. Hence the follow up tag. This is an article written by the kid about the response he has received from the right wing since he announced he was no longer their poster boy.
 
2012-07-08 09:54:29 PM
ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.
 
2012-07-08 09:55:31 PM

susansto-helit: Peter von Nostrand: Does this article have new info from the first one that went green a few weeks ago?

/dnrtfa
//obviously

Yup. Hence the follow up tag. This is an article written by the kid about the response he has received from the right wing since he announced he was no longer their poster boy.


Ahhh,, didn't notice the follow up tag
 
MBK [TotalFark]
2012-07-08 10:00:09 PM
I can't wait until this kid gets death threats from Freepers and their ilk.
 
2012-07-08 10:01:22 PM

MBK: I can't wait until this kid gets death threats from Freepers and their ilk.


i'm sure he already has, but has the good grace not to talk about it.
 
2012-07-08 10:12:14 PM

Weaver95: MBK: I can't wait until this kid gets death threats from Freepers and their ilk.

i'm sure he already has, but has the good grace not to talk about it.


He should talk about it, openly. I'm sure there are quite a few netizens who would happily seek retribution on those inbred morans.
 
2012-07-08 10:13:11 PM

NewportBarGuy: Weaver95: MBK: I can't wait until this kid gets death threats from Freepers and their ilk.

i'm sure he already has, but has the good grace not to talk about it.

He should talk about it, openly. I'm sure there are quite a few netizens who would happily seek retribution on those inbred morans.


it's not worth it. it really isn't.
 
2012-07-08 10:16:03 PM
Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success
 
2012-07-08 10:18:21 PM

serial_crusher: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.


Who is doing that?
 
2012-07-08 10:24:51 PM

GAT_00: serial_crusher: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Who is doing that?


The liberals in his head.
 
2012-07-08 10:25:01 PM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


Isn't that pretty much what the guy is doing himself?

Except that he denies having ideas, just regurgitated talking points.
 
2012-07-08 10:26:23 PM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


His only real 'idea' in this article is 'be yourself'. I don't see anyone here fawning. Maybe when he gets invited to, and shows up at, the liberal version of CPAC.

I'm not holding my breath.
 
2012-07-08 10:27:21 PM

Lionel Mandrake: serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success

Isn't that pretty much what the guy is doing himself?

Except that he denies having ideas, just regurgitated talking points.


And, actually, it's more that he's calling them childish for throwing a huge hissy fit when he realized his values no longer sync up with theirs.
 
2012-07-08 10:34:17 PM
Whoa.

This is now an "Oh snap!" thread.

i249.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-08 10:37:11 PM
FTFA: Do you seriously think such an easily lambasted clip will disappear because I announced I changed my mind? Have you met the users of the Internet?

Holy shiat, this kid really gets it.

...

Cue pics of underage drunken revelry on Facebook in 3...2...1...
 
2012-07-08 10:37:52 PM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


this hasn't been a good couple of weeks for you, has it? the recent SCOTUS decision on Obamacare seems to have rattled a lot of cages...I suspect it's affected you as well.
 
2012-07-08 10:42:06 PM

Elmo Jones: If there was a photo of the Big Bang, it would not be enough for the "Oh SNAP" caption.
If there was a photo of the core of the Sun, it would not be enough for the "sick burn" caption.
This kid just pwned them so badly, they need 3 golden balls over their heads.


You saying he super-teabagged them?
 
2012-07-08 10:43:05 PM

Calmamity: GAT_00: serial_crusher: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Who is doing that?

The liberals in his head.


I suppose he has to have someone he wins arguments against. It sure isn't any real people.
 
2012-07-08 10:44:42 PM

Weaver95: it's not worth it. it really isn't.


Why do you always have to bring reason into my desire for petty revenge? Damn you!
 
2012-07-08 10:46:22 PM
All that having been said, there's nothing wrong with reducing the size of the Federal government, controlling spending, reducing the government's reach into people's lives, etc. It's just that:

a. the GOP is hypocritical when it comes to "government reach." I.e., don't reach for my guns, but DO reach into women's health and personal lives.
b. the GOP is hypocritical when it comes to the size of the government and government spending. I.e., Iraq, TSA, etc. And,
c. how the GOP essentially, like this kid said, behaves like a pack of prepubescent children when their points of view are threatened. If you feel your position is valid, back it up with facts...or...SOMETHING, other than ad-hominem.

/although, on a lot of those points, not ALL republicans adhere to that level of hypocrisy and puerility.
 
2012-07-08 10:47:10 PM
Oh, and again:

i249.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-08 10:47:30 PM

NewportBarGuy: Weaver95: it's not worth it. it really isn't.

Why do you always have to bring reason into my desire for petty revenge? Damn you!


I like to think that the idiots of this world are a self solving problem. eventually they'll weed themselves out of the gene pool...we just have to be patient and give them plenty of opportunities to try a lot of dangerous stunts.
 
2012-07-08 10:53:23 PM

xanadian: Whoa.

This is now an "Oh snap!" thread.

[i249.photobucket.com image 100x75]


i146.photobucket.com

www.muzakblog.com
 
2012-07-08 10:55:11 PM

NewportBarGuy: Weaver95: MBK: I can't wait until this kid gets death threats from Freepers and their ilk.

i'm sure he already has, but has the good grace not to talk about it.

He should talk about it, openly. I'm sure there are quite a few netizens who would happily seek retribution on those inbred morans.


Yah because that's what we need more of. Pre-emptive revenge and reactionary bullying.
 
2012-07-08 10:55:46 PM

xanadian: All that having been said, there's nothing wrong with reducing the size of the Federal government, controlling spending, reducing the government's reach into people's lives, etc.


I can think of half a trillion in spending that can go with a cost of maybe 200,000 jobs. We've shed a million government jobs for just a couple of billion in savings. All that military spending goes to pointless production, not jobs.
 
2012-07-08 10:57:24 PM

Weaver95: I like to think that the idiots of this world are a self solving problem. eventually they'll weed themselves out of the gene pool...we just have to be patient and give them plenty of opportunities to try a lot of dangerous stunts.


the problem is that idiots have a high probability of passing their stupidity on genetically before they're removed from the pool.
 
2012-07-08 10:59:33 PM

GAT_00: xanadian: All that having been said, there's nothing wrong with reducing the size of the Federal government, controlling spending, reducing the government's reach into people's lives, etc.

I can think of half a trillion in spending that can go with a cost of maybe 200,000 jobs. We've shed a million government jobs for just a couple of billion in savings. All that military spending goes to pointless production, not jobs.


Hence, my point "b."
 
2012-07-08 11:00:52 PM

xanadian: GAT_00: xanadian: All that having been said, there's nothing wrong with reducing the size of the Federal government, controlling spending, reducing the government's reach into people's lives, etc.

I can think of half a trillion in spending that can go with a cost of maybe 200,000 jobs. We've shed a million government jobs for just a couple of billion in savings. All that military spending goes to pointless production, not jobs.

Hence, my point "b."


Let's also not forget that it was Eisenhower (I believe), a Republican, who warned us about catering too much to the military-industrial complex.

I'll have to see if I can dredge up the quote...
 
2012-07-08 11:01:48 PM

xanadian: xanadian: GAT_00: xanadian: All that having been said, there's nothing wrong with reducing the size of the Federal government, controlling spending, reducing the government's reach into people's lives, etc.

I can think of half a trillion in spending that can go with a cost of maybe 200,000 jobs. We've shed a million government jobs for just a couple of billion in savings. All that military spending goes to pointless production, not jobs.

Hence, my point "b."

Let's also not forget that it was Eisenhower (I believe), a Republican, who warned us about catering too much to the military-industrial complex.

I'll have to see if I can dredge up the quote...


We all know it. I trust Eisenhower a bit less than I used to when I learned his method of fighting wars on the cheap was to nuke everything.
 
2012-07-08 11:05:55 PM

Ambivalence: Yah because that's what we need more of. Pre-emptive revenge and reactionary bullying.


Hey, Weav talked me out of it. Sometimes I just want to watch the world burn. It often takes a swift kick in the ass to be reminded that I live here too.
 
2012-07-08 11:08:39 PM

xanadian: Let's also not forget that it was Eisenhower (I believe), a Republican, who warned us about catering too much to the military-industrial complex.


From his farewell address

"Now this conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. The total influence - economic, political, even spiritual - is felt in every city, every Statehouse, every office of the Federal government. We recognize the imperative need for this development. Yet we must not fail to comprehend its grave implications. Our toil, resources, and livelihood are all involved. So is the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist. We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together."
 
2012-07-08 11:10:24 PM
Also from Eisenhower

'Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. ... Is there no other way the world may live?"
 
2012-07-08 11:28:30 PM

Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.


...so, who's maintaining the LOLCATGOPATA these days?
 
2012-07-08 11:45:25 PM

abb3w: ...so, who's maintaining the LOLCATGOPATA these days?


Is it even possible to list that without making it a PDF file?
 
2012-07-08 11:57:10 PM

GAT_00: xanadian: xanadian: GAT_00: xanadian: All that having been said, there's nothing wrong with reducing the size of the Federal government, controlling spending, reducing the government's reach into people's lives, etc.

I can think of half a trillion in spending that can go with a cost of maybe 200,000 jobs. We've shed a million government jobs for just a couple of billion in savings. All that military spending goes to pointless production, not jobs.

Hence, my point "b."

Let's also not forget that it was Eisenhower (I believe), a Republican, who warned us about catering too much to the military-industrial complex.

I'll have to see if I can dredge up the quote...

We all know it. I trust Eisenhower a bit less than I used to when I learned his method of fighting wars on the cheap was to nuke everything.


From orbit. I mean, come on. It's the only way to be sure.

WhyteRaven74: Also from Eisenhower

'Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. This world in arms is not spending money alone. It is spending the sweat of its laborers, the genius of its scientists, the hopes of its children. The cost of one modern heavy bomber is this: a modern brick school in more than 30 cities. It is two electric power plants, each serving a town of 60,000 population. It is two fine, fully equipped hospitals. It is some fifty miles of concrete pavement. We pay for a single fighter plane with a half million bushels of wheat. We pay for a single destroyer with new homes that could have housed more than 8,000 people. This is, I repeat, the best way of life to be found on the road the world has been taking. This is not a way of life at all, in any true sense. Under the cloud of threatening war, it is humanity hanging from a cross of iron. ... Is there no other way the world may live?"


He sounds like a filthy librul.

/today's GOP...not your father's Republican party
 
2012-07-09 12:25:37 AM
Yeah, if you learn about the world you realize that complex problems are not magically solved with idealistic dogma.


It's fun to think that everything can be solved by a simple set of beliefs but the reality is more difficult than that.
 
2012-07-09 12:28:15 AM
I saw on his Twitter that his mother (who still identifies as a conservative Republican) lost a friend over him "coming out" as liberal, and I just wanted to punch the world. Who the hell does that?

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.


The one grain of salt I give to Ayn Rand is that she actually spent a few formative years in the USSR, which were, by all accounts, fairly traumatic. I entirely disagree with her philosophy and outlook, but I really think that to her, Objectivism was just the entire opposite of what Stalin supposedly stood for.

Americans who grew up upper-middle-class and think that legalizing gay marriage = a lack of freedom? Yeah, no grain of salt for you, not yours.
 
2012-07-09 12:28:28 AM
Ditto. Was a blowhard until I lived in the third world for a few years in my 20s and realized that most people work hard despite the deck being severely stacked against them.
 
2012-07-09 12:30:13 AM

NewportBarGuy: abb3w: ...so, who's maintaining the LOLCATGOPATA these days?

Is it even possible to list that without making it a PDF file?


Just make it a script that pulls from Consevapedia's database.
 
2012-07-09 12:32:14 AM

Weaver95: MBK: I can't wait until this kid gets death threats from Freepers and their ilk.

i'm sure he already has, but has the good grace not to talk about it.


In other words, he's a Fark icon for his ability to ignore even the most insidious trolls.
 
2012-07-09 12:33:38 AM

GAT_00: I can think of half a trillion in spending that can go with a cost of maybe 200,000 jobs. We've shed a million government jobs for just a couple of billion in savings. All that military spending goes to pointless production, not jobs.


I actually disagree with this, to a certain extent.

The military-industrial complex (which is, in all due honesty, the source of the overwhelming majority of that spending) can go sit and spin for what I care, but on the other hand our military does have palpable benefits not the least of which is as a ready source of soft power. The key is that our military ought to be decidedly less...mercenary...in its distribution and application of assets, and decidedly more humanitarian.
 
2012-07-09 12:34:19 AM
 
2012-07-09 12:36:39 AM

mahuika: I saw on his Twitter that his mother (who still identifies as a conservative Republican) lost a friend over him "coming out" as liberal, and I just wanted to punch the world. Who the hell does that?

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.

The one grain of salt I give to Ayn Rand is that she actually spent a few formative years in the USSR, which were, by all accounts, fairly traumatic. I entirely disagree with her philosophy and outlook, but I really think that to her, Objectivism was just the entire opposite of what Stalin supposedly stood for.

Americans who grew up upper-middle-class and think that legalizing gay marriage = a lack of freedom? Yeah, no grain of salt for you, not yours.


That's the problem. She thought writing bad novels was a profound act while creating her own cult of personality. Then she went on Social Security.
 
2012-07-09 12:36:44 AM
Oh no he DI'INT!!!?!?!

Good for him!

If you grew up and still parrot all of the exact same politics as your parents you probably need some time apart. Spending a few months travelling around Europe and the third world would be a good start.
 
2012-07-09 12:41:15 AM
America cares what this kid has to say but ignores Ralph Nader.
 
2012-07-09 12:41:42 AM

Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.


Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.
 
2012-07-09 12:42:40 AM

Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.


We had to wait 56 posts for this? 0/10.
 
2012-07-09 12:42:52 AM

Weaver95: MBK: I can't wait until this kid gets death threats from Freepers and their ilk.

i'm sure he already has, but has the good grace not to talk about it.


Actually, they just think he's in the closet.
 
2012-07-09 12:43:09 AM

xanadian: You saying he super-teabagged them?


Golden Teabagged them.
/I wouldn't recommend a GIS
 
2012-07-09 12:45:45 AM

Calmamity: GAT_00: serial_crusher: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Who is doing that?

The liberals in his head.


They have good meds for that nowadays.
 
2012-07-09 12:49:02 AM

Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.


And they're gonna vote Republican because...?
 
2012-07-09 12:57:53 AM

stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?


Soshalizm DUH
 
2012-07-09 01:04:09 AM
He's, what, 17? No one gives a single fark about what he thinks, either, and rightly so.
 
2012-07-09 01:04:45 AM

johne3819: stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?

Soshalizm DUH


www.teufelaffe.com
 
2012-07-09 01:04:51 AM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


Pussy.
 
2012-07-09 01:05:09 AM

stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?


They're just not going to vote. Any more than anyone in the 18-24 bracket ever votes.
 
2012-07-09 01:05:26 AM

Jim_Callahan: He's, what, 17? No one gives a single fark about what he thinks, either, and rightly so.


They did 4 years ago...
 
2012-07-09 01:06:45 AM

Gyrfalcon: stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?

They're just not going to vote. Any more than anyone in the 18-24 bracket ever votes.


I question the bolded portion. Stoli is not a right wing troll but he apparently buys the bullshiat.
 
2012-07-09 01:08:20 AM
I'm a Republican, I'm not a social conservative.

I'll keep registering Republican and voting in the primaries, local and general elections because I was here before the social conservative morons started registering Republican and I'll be here after they leave.

Fark the social conservatives and the unions.
 
2012-07-09 01:08:47 AM

GAT_00: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.


I read Snowcrash at 14. It has much the same effect.

/Read Atlas Shugged at 13; it's an object lesson in how a very smart person can be very wrong
//still haven't read LotR.
///35
 
2012-07-09 01:10:15 AM

Teufelaffe: johne3819: stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?

Soshalizm DUH

[www.teufelaffe.com image 400x501]


Very well done, I award you 3 Internets
 
2012-07-09 01:10:30 AM

Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?

They're just not going to vote. Any more than anyone in the 18-24 bracket ever votes.

I question the bolded portion. Stoli is not a right wing troll but he apparently buys the bullshiat.


Oh, I saw that. I was just giving him a chance to extoil the job creating superstrategy Mittens has unveiled.
 
2012-07-09 01:10:43 AM

Sabyen91: Jim_Callahan: He's, what, 17? No one gives a single fark about what he thinks, either, and rightly so.

They did 4 years ago...


No, no they didn't. It was a random meme used as an excuse for the usual standard bickering, just like publishing his equally useless shiat now.
 
2012-07-09 01:10:53 AM

clovis69: I'm a Republican, I'm not a social conservative.

I'll keep registering Republican and voting in the primaries, local and general elections because I was here before the social conservative morons started registering Republican and I'll be here after they leave.

Fark the social conservatives and the unions.


Congratulations, you're part of the problem. Because as long as you vote Republican while the party supports social conservatives, you encourage the social conservatives.
 
2012-07-09 01:11:17 AM

xanadian: He sounds like a filthy librul.


The ironic thing here is that Eisenhower was quite liberal. The divisions between him and the Democratic party that would mark his later political career were in direct regards to the Cold War (Eisenhower was strongly opposed to hawkishness and antagonism towards the Soviet Union) and the nuclear arms race (he was also anti-nuke). As Army Chief of Staff, Eisenhower, his positions and experience, were marginalized by Truman and his administration.

Truman actually approached Eisenhower to be his running mate in '48, and again to run for President as a Democrat in '52. Eisenhower (obviously) refused, given his deep dissatisfaction with Truman's foreign policies which made the Cold War and the nuclear arms race an inevitability, and Truman's mishandling of Korea, and his marginalization under the Truman administration.

Which, ironically, the Eisenhower presidency was the death knell of Republican moderation.Today's GOP is very much "your father's GOP" -- everything the Republican party has done the last three years dates back to the '50s and '60s in means and goals. The Red Scare, the Southern Strategy, the culling of the Rockefeller Republicans by Buckley, Kristol, Goldwater and others, the list goes on. Literally nothing is different, but for the difference in language and the personalities that drive it (which yet match the political dialogue and landscape for its time).
 
2012-07-09 01:12:30 AM

stoli n coke: Sabyen91: Gyrfalcon: stoli n coke: Brubold: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

Well at least until he switches back when he's graduated college and can't find a job. Obama has apparently lost a huge chunk of young voters because of his FAIL on the jobs front.

And they're gonna vote Republican because...?

They're just not going to vote. Any more than anyone in the 18-24 bracket ever votes.

I question the bolded portion. Stoli is not a right wing troll but he apparently buys the bullshiat.

Oh, I saw that. I was just giving him a chance to extoil the job creating superstrategy Mittens has unveiled.


Ohhh, you were responding to Brubold. My apologies.
 
2012-07-09 01:13:46 AM

Jim_Callahan: Sabyen91: Jim_Callahan: He's, what, 17? No one gives a single fark about what he thinks, either, and rightly so.

They did 4 years ago...

No, no they didn't. It was a random meme used as an excuse for the usual standard bickering, just like publishing his equally useless shiat now.


Using him or not his beliefs mattered 4 years ago. It is cool to read his response to his younger self.
 
2012-07-09 01:15:08 AM
How many op-eds is this guy gonna write about it? We know.
 
2012-07-09 01:15:30 AM

LordJiro: clovis69: I'm a Republican, I'm not a social conservative.

I'll keep registering Republican and voting in the primaries, local and general elections because I was here before the social conservative morons started registering Republican and I'll be here after they leave.

Fark the social conservatives and the unions.

Congratulations, you're part of the problem. Because as long as you vote Republican while the party supports social conservatives, you encourage the social conservatives.


If they're voting for the less teatarded primary candidates that is actually somewhat helpful.
 
2012-07-09 01:16:14 AM

ArcadianRefugee: How many op-eds is this guy gonna write about it? We know.


Cry moar. It is a followup.
 
2012-07-09 01:21:29 AM

ArcadianRefugee: How many op-eds is this guy gonna write about it? We know.


As long as it take for those that seek to keep this country back to see the errors of their way? The stupidity of their objections, the bald-faced lies they tell to keep their dogma relevant?
 
2012-07-09 01:21:58 AM

Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.


s3.amazonaws.com

/Why yes this is the second time I've used this on one of your posts.
 
2012-07-09 01:22:40 AM

thatboyoverthere: Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.

[s3.amazonaws.com image 524x576]

/Why yes this is the second time I've used this on one of your posts.


Best part.
 
2012-07-09 01:23:33 AM

GAT_00: Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.


I was partial to For Whom the Bell Tolls. Who doesn't want to go on an adventure, enjoy the outdoors, be a badass, get the girl, fark up some assholes? Sure sometimes things don't work out exactly as we might like, but there's greatness, even immortality, in finishing well; particularly in the face of adversity.
 
2012-07-09 01:23:44 AM
And this is what drove me away from conservatism to my admittedly center-left position of independent mindedness (if that's a thing).

It takes a village to be independent minded.
 
2012-07-09 01:27:30 AM

Noam Chimpsky: And this is what drove me away from conservatism to my admittedly center-left position of independent mindedness (if that's a thing).

It takes a village to be independent minded.


Too bad no villages wanted to help you.
 
2012-07-09 01:29:19 AM

stoli n coke: Noam Chimpsky: And this is what drove me away from conservatism to my admittedly center-left position of independent mindedness (if that's a thing).

It takes a village to be independent minded.

Too bad no villages wanted to help you.


I was hoping for a head-shrinker villiage like in Gilligan's Island.

/I am not sure Noam's brain could become smaller though.
 
2012-07-09 01:39:33 AM
Give him another 20 or 30 years and he'll swing back towards practical conservatism. Not republicanism, but actual conservatism - responsible taxation for public works, reduced welfare, no meddling in people's private social rights, etc.

The vast majority of democrats and republicans are in violent agreement with one another.
 
2012-07-09 01:41:25 AM
He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.
 
2012-07-09 01:42:05 AM

HotWingAgenda: Give him another 20 or 30 years and he'll swing back towards practical conservatism. Not republicanism, but actual conservatism - responsible taxation for public works, reduced welfare, no meddling in people's private social rights, etc.

The vast majority of democrats and republicans are in violent agreement with one another.


Yes, "practical conservatism". That isn't a myth or anything.
 
2012-07-09 01:42:25 AM

Jim_Callahan: No, no they didn't.


Then why was he a featured speaker at CPAC, the nation's largest Conservative gathering?
 
2012-07-09 01:43:48 AM

Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.


You seem to have a vested interest in winning back this 17 year old boy. You trying to tell us something?
 
2012-07-09 01:51:44 AM

The Why Not Guy: Then why was he a featured speaker at CPAC, the nation's largest Conservative gathering?


You say that as if someone couldn't program a Speak & Spell with Republican talking points, stick a microphone up to it, and it would become the Next Great Conservative Real American Icon Lion Capitalism Free Market God-fearing White Hope. It'd get nominated for federal office for god's sake.

Look at Romney.
 
2012-07-09 01:52:49 AM

mahuika: Objectivism was just the entire opposite of what Stalin supposedly stood for.


Out of curiousity, I watched Atlas Shrugged (Part 1) and got the same impression. That is, instead of the poor workers, it's successful upper class people revolting. And instead of forcing their success on others, they just leave. The movie (and presumably the novel) almost seems like a parody. It's hard to take seriously, especially when the bad guys seem to be defined by their greed and stupidity.. and when the dialogue keeps going from "awkward" to "expository speech" and back.

Bucky Katt
That's the problem. She thought writing bad novels was a profound act while creating her own cult of personality.

She seems too... optimistic. That is, she pushes the hero cult thing with the intention that everyone can be a hero. Unfortunately, that's not how reality works. What she winds up pushing is that there are the heroes and then the mediocre people, who owe what they have to the heroes. The former is a pretty common appeal from conservatives, though only a few are honest or intelligent enough to admit that the latter is more realistic.
 
2012-07-09 01:54:30 AM
FTFA: "I would love it if a bunch of angry right-wingers stopped saying stupid things about me. I also want a six-pack, a mansion in the Hamptons and a beautiful woman with cans the size of my head. "

Personal. Hero.
 
2012-07-09 01:55:02 AM

that bosnian sniper: blah.


Well, Jim is claiming Conservatives didn't care about what this young man thought back when he was 13. So I'm wondering how he ended up as a featured speaker at the nation's largest annual gathering of Conservatives? I'm sure Jim has a reasonable explanation.

Otherwise I'll just default to "Jim_Callahan is a lying sack of shiat."
 
2012-07-09 01:57:29 AM

that bosnian sniper: The Why Not Guy: Then why was he a featured speaker at CPAC, the nation's largest Conservative gathering?

You say that as if someone couldn't program a Speak & Spell with Republican talking points, stick a microphone up to it, and it would become the Next Great Conservative Real American Icon Lion Capitalism Free Market God-fearing White Hope. It'd get nominated for federal office for god's sake.

Look at Romney.


...plus, giving this a second thought, he was a thirteen-year-old boy at the time. They were probably thinking about drugging him up and seeing which Congressman, pundit, lobbyist and/or wealthy donor would pay the highest troll toll. He's lucky Limbaugh didn't point at his butt and scream "THAR PUDDING THAR!" and lunge at him with a bottle of oxy in one hand and corpulent fat rolls in the other, raging two-inch half-boner exposed for all to see.
 
2012-07-09 01:57:57 AM

Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.


I don't think he's a Liberal now. He's just no longer a Conservative, and he's exploring the world around him. My guess is he'll create his own identity.

But points to you for taking a story about a young man who grows and matures, and decides he's no longer a Conservative and turning that into "Liberals are bad!"
 
2012-07-09 02:00:11 AM
Nothing from Jim, eh? Shocker. Well, I'm off to bed.
 
2012-07-09 02:00:47 AM

Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.


You think liberals are lockstep? you clearly don't understand liberals. I believe the term "Herding cats" was used to describe thier tendancy for unity.
 
2012-07-09 02:03:00 AM

Sabyen91: HotWingAgenda: Give him another 20 or 30 years and he'll swing back towards practical conservatism. Not republicanism, but actual conservatism - responsible taxation for public works, reduced welfare, no meddling in people's private social rights, etc.

The vast majority of democrats and republicans are in violent agreement with one another.

Yes, "practical conservatism". That isn't a myth or anything.


I dare you to say that to Eisenhower's ghost. Or Teddy Roosevelt's.
 
2012-07-09 02:05:01 AM

HotWingAgenda: Sabyen91: HotWingAgenda: Give him another 20 or 30 years and he'll swing back towards practical conservatism. Not republicanism, but actual conservatism - responsible taxation for public works, reduced welfare, no meddling in people's private social rights, etc.

The vast majority of democrats and republicans are in violent agreement with one another.

Yes, "practical conservatism". That isn't a myth or anything.

I dare you to say that to Eisenhower's ghost. Or Teddy Roosevelt's.


If I had a time machine I would....
 
2012-07-09 02:07:10 AM

GAT_00: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.


John Galt was an orc? FINALLY the book makes sense!
 
2012-07-09 02:09:33 AM

ImpendingCynic: GAT_00: There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.

John Galt was an orc? FINALLY the book makes sense!


An orc? No, Galt was a troll.
 
2012-07-09 02:16:52 AM

The Why Not Guy: Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.

I don't think he's a Liberal now. He's just no longer a Conservative, and he's exploring the world around him. My guess is he'll create his own identity.

But points to you for taking a story about a young man who grows and matures, and decides he's no longer a Conservative and turning that into "Liberals are bad!"


It's a typical symptom of the Republican worldview. "If you're not with us, you're against us".
 
2012-07-09 02:17:03 AM

HotWingAgenda: I dare you to say that to Eisenhower's ghost. Or Teddy Roosevelt's.


The irony there is the furthest to the right anyone can reasonably claim of either of those is pretty well dead center. Eisenhower ran as a Republican because Truman and the Democratic party pissed him off, and prior to that was ardently unaffiliated. Roosevelt was an ardent progressive and reformist, and -- get this -- an environmentalist.

In either case, both of them are situated pretty well to the left of even today's Democrats in the big picture.
 
2012-07-09 02:18:24 AM

HotWingAgenda: Give him another 20 or 30 years and he'll swing back towards practical conservatism. Not republicanism, but actual conservatism - responsible taxation for public works, reduced welfare, no meddling in people's private social rights, etc.


That's not "conservatism", that's libertarianism with taxation.

Conservatives require Christianity, you can't be an atheist conservative. You also have to be a nationalistic, provincal, authoritarian prick.

Fox News is responsible for this myth of "pragmatic, compassionate, conservatism".
 
2012-07-09 02:19:49 AM
Isn't this a repeat?
 
2012-07-09 02:20:23 AM

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.


If you think Ayn Rand sums up your beliefs perfectly and you're a Republican, or even a Libertarian, you didn't read her writings completely. Or maybe you just thought Atlas Shrugged was a how-to guide.
 
2012-07-09 02:23:49 AM

wedun: Conservatives require Christianity mammon worship.


That's a totally different thing than Christianity. Look it up, Christ didn't like it.
/at all.
 
2012-07-09 02:24:09 AM

The Why Not Guy: Jim_Callahan: No, no they didn't.

Then why was he a featured speaker at CPAC, the nation's largest Conservative gathering?


Clearly, he was a liberal plant to make the Republicans look foolish during the 2012 general election.

All of the people cheering for him? Liberal plants.

The FoxNews talking heads calling him the next Sean Hannity? Liberal plants.

Sean Hannity? Liberal plant.

Apparently this is what Jim Callahan actually believes.
 
2012-07-09 02:24:25 AM

IlGreven: If you think Ayn Rand sums up your beliefs perfectly and you're a Republican, or even a Libertarian, you didn't read her writings completely. Or maybe you just thought Atlas Shrugged was a how-to guide.


I think the world's had enough of that evil coont's psychopath worship -- but, okay, I'll bite. Tell us, O wise one, how should we correctly interpret Rand's works?
 
2012-07-09 02:26:42 AM

James F. Campbell: IlGreven: If you think Ayn Rand sums up your beliefs perfectly and you're a Republican, or even a Libertarian, you didn't read her writings completely. Or maybe you just thought Atlas Shrugged was a how-to guide.

I think the world's had enough of that evil coont's psychopath worship -- but, okay, I'll bite. Tell us, O wise one, how should we correctly interpret Rand's works?


I don't think he was defending her.
 
2012-07-09 02:40:13 AM

Sabyen91: I don't think he was defending her.


Yes, he is. He's implying that if you read and correctly interpret Ayn Rand's works and then follow her beliefs, you won't turn out to be an evil, shiat-sucking bastard.
 
2012-07-09 02:41:16 AM

Sabyen91: ArcadianRefugee: How many op-eds is this guy gonna write about it? We know.

Cry moar. It is a followup.


Great, it's a followup. Wah.

"I was a stupid kid. Details at 11. And again tomorrow at 5, 6, 9, and 11."
 
2012-07-09 02:42:26 AM
Kid practically nailed it. Most of the right-wing nutjobs I know have the intellectual capacity of a 13-year old at best.
 
2012-07-09 02:49:44 AM

Pincy: Kid practically nailed it. Most of the right-wing nutjobs I know have the intellectual capacity of a 13-year old at best.


Just look at how many signed Grover Norquist's stupid pledge.
 
2012-07-09 02:57:17 AM
Hopefully he won't be old enough to be able to vote by November.
 
2012-07-09 03:15:33 AM

Ambivalence: You think liberals are lockstep? you clearly don't understand liberals. I believe the term "Herding cats" was used to describe thier tendancy for unity.


"Do I belong to an organized political party? Heck No, I'm a Democrat"
 
2012-07-09 03:17:48 AM
I want to give this kid kudos, I really do. But... being the exalted age of 16, he knows way more now.

Let's get back to him when he's close to 30, and then see what he thinks.
 
2012-07-09 03:21:13 AM

WaffleStomper: Hopefully he won't be old enough to be able to vote by November.


Yes, I'm sure his vote will make crucial difference as to whether Romney wins New York or not.

/Because only people who agree with you politically should be allowed to vote.
 
2012-07-09 03:25:55 AM

Lackofname: I want to give this kid kudos, I really do. But... being the exalted age of 16, he knows way more now.

Let's get back to him when he's close to 30, and then see what he thinks.


People tend to become more liberal as they get older.
 
2012-07-09 03:29:57 AM
The kid is obviously on drugs. Probably bath salts or dope. Grover Norquist continues to show what good ideas 13 year old boys have when it comes to government.
 
2012-07-09 03:30:34 AM

mahuika: The one grain of salt I give to Ayn Rand is that she actually spent a few formative years in the USSR, which were, by all accounts, fairly traumatic. I entirely disagree with her philosophy and outlook, but I really think that to her, Objectivism was just the entire opposite of what Stalin supposedly stood for.


This. Anthem is a decent book that parallels her life as she saw it. The ironic thing to me is that all of her book's protagonists actually make things outside of philosophy and literature. Hell, one of her largest failures is to recognize that her ideas are not exactly on par with her denigration of the "users" and "parasites". Roark - architect, Dagny - railroad entrepreneur, Reardon - steel worker. None of these people wrote books or hobnobbed with social elites. They all worked, and all were antithetical to Rand herself.
 
2012-07-09 03:34:44 AM

Weaver95: NewportBarGuy: Weaver95: it's not worth it. it really isn't.

Why do you always have to bring reason into my desire for petty revenge? Damn you!

I like to think that the idiots of this world are a self solving problem. eventually they'll weed themselves out of the gene pool...we just have to be patient and give them plenty of opportunities to try a lot of dangerous stunts.


Octomom x 14. Good luck with that.
 
2012-07-09 03:51:15 AM
"Cans the size of [his] head??" He really never has been with a woman. Jeez those would be freakish.
 
2012-07-09 03:54:28 AM
Conservatives: Objectivist Fascists

Libertarians: Objectivist Archaists

Democrats: Pretty much everyone else, running the gamut from bleeding hearts to Blue Dogs
 
2012-07-09 04:20:26 AM
I'm just thankful that unlike this kid, there was no YouTube around when I was a teenage right-winger. My friends and I actually performed a modern dance thing on state at several Operation Rescue events to standing ovations, if that had been today instead of the early '90s the videos would be on the Internet following me for the rest of my life.

I feel for this kid.
 
2012-07-09 04:38:16 AM

Gwyrddu: WaffleStomper: Hopefully he won't be old enough to be able to vote by November.

Yes, I'm sure his vote will make crucial difference as to whether Romney wins New York or not.

/Because only people who agree with you politically should be allowed to vote.


I said that where? I didn't. You're a pinhead. Thanks for playing
 
2012-07-09 04:39:18 AM

stoli n coke: Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.

You seem to have a vested interest in winning back this 17 year old boy. You trying to tell us something?


The conservative mindset disallows changing one's opinions as one matures.
 
2012-07-09 04:43:15 AM
what asshat said you're a fool to not be liberal when you're young and conservative when you're old?

i'm regressing and should be ready to sign the card for party membership in furthering the red proletariat cause in another five years or so.
 
2012-07-09 04:46:34 AM

WaffleStomper: I said that where? I didn't. You're a pinhead. Thanks for playing


You implied it by saying he hopes he won't be able to vote. I very much doubt you'd hold the same opinion of him if he agreed with your political views. He's already shown more wisdom than a lot of people much older than him by knowing when he's wrong and that no group of philosophy has all the answers.
 
2012-07-09 04:53:39 AM

Omahawg: what asshat said you're a fool to not be liberal when you're young and conservative when you're old?

i'm regressing and should be ready to sign the card for party membership in furthering the red proletariat cause in another five years or so.


The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

Of course I doubt the philosophies back then translate that well into the 21st century. I think the reality is that as people age they tend to become less extremist. Since US politics is pretty far to the right, that would mean usually becoming liberal as you get older in the US.
 
2012-07-09 05:12:54 AM
he had me at his first properly used comma.

/something I fail at, obviously
 
2012-07-09 05:18:36 AM
Hmm, has he reached the "I hate my parents" stage or the "Holy shiat the whole system is farked up harder than a Win98 machine without an AV and nothing but porn sites and rom's in it's history".

Ah, third option... Attention whore, maybe?

Sorta reminds me of the child preachers going on about homosexuality. They just seem like the new FFA.

/In case you're wondering, I'm at "Holy shiat the system is farked up" stage myself.
 
2012-07-09 06:46:17 AM

Drayen: FTFA: "I would love it if a bunch of angry right-wingers stopped saying stupid things about me. I also want a six-pack, a mansion in the Hamptons and a beautiful woman with cans the size of my head. "


What's his Fark handle?
 
2012-07-09 06:48:01 AM
This kid must be the exception to the rule... As far as I can tell, Republicans never grow up.
 
2012-07-09 06:49:20 AM

Weaver95: ooo...that kid is on the GOP enemies list forever.


It matters not - he will most likely outlive them by many decades.
 
2012-07-09 06:49:41 AM
Damned education. It keeps turning them into liberals.
 
2012-07-09 06:50:47 AM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


Why is there a Smart button and a Funny button but no Knob button?
 
2012-07-09 06:53:05 AM
This reminds me so much of people who trundle out 'former Christian' turned Atheist or 'former Atheist' turned Christian, or various other 'former this' turned 'that'. As if trundling out somebody who changed their mind about something means anything.

A 13 year old who can parrot what he or she is told by others is nothing special but then again a 17 year old who can do the same thing isn't special either. Your political views may shift as you age and sorry kids, they do not shift toward or away from the left or the right as you 'mature' or 'grow up'.

If he shifts back to a more right of center position 4-5 years from now does that make you feel invalidated? Just because he's saying things now that make you vindicated in some fashion doesn't really make what he's saying now any more correct or relevant than what he said at age 13. The kid is 17 for goodness sakes. Most 18-24 year old people don't even have a clue about their life yet.
 
2012-07-09 06:56:03 AM
These are not adults leveling serious criticism; these are scorned right-wingers showing all the maturity of a little boy.

It's worse
rlv.zcache.com
 
2012-07-09 06:56:26 AM

SilentStrider: Weaver95: I like to think that the idiots of this world are a self solving problem. eventually they'll weed themselves out of the gene pool...we just have to be patient and give them plenty of opportunities to try a lot of dangerous stunts.

the problem is that idiots have a high probability of passing their stupidity on genetically before they're removed from the pool.


A lot of their kids don't seem to be infected. That's why I think they (the idiocracy) are heading for extinction. And given the age of most of them they will become irrelevant well before that happens.
 
2012-07-09 07:00:47 AM
He's still at the age where he thinks either party gives a damn about serving his best interests.
That's adorable.

/With the right ad campaign, any candidate can be both Demagogue and Corporate whore at the same time.
/The red flags should have gone up when they started spending hundred of millions to tell us about people that aren't worth knowing.
 
2012-07-09 07:04:54 AM

kg2095: SilentStrider: Weaver95: I like to think that the idiots of this world are a self solving problem. eventually they'll weed themselves out of the gene pool...we just have to be patient and give them plenty of opportunities to try a lot of dangerous stunts.

the problem is that idiots have a high probability of passing their stupidity on genetically before they're removed from the pool.

A lot of their kids don't seem to be infected. That's why I think they (the idiocracy) are heading for extinction. And given the age of most of them they will become irrelevant well before that happens.


Not for lack of trying - go watch Jesus Camp.
 
2012-07-09 07:17:16 AM
"Look at you liberals taking this kid way too seriously."

"Uhm, we're not. We're applauding him for saying 'you' took him way too seriously."
 
2012-07-09 07:18:10 AM

kg2095: Why is there a Smart button and a Funny button but no Knob button?


There is -- it's the red button on the far right of each post.
 
2012-07-09 07:23:11 AM
List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17
 
2012-07-09 07:23:37 AM
"manifold" reasons? Pretentious nerd.
 
2012-07-09 07:38:26 AM

randomjsa: If he shifts back to a more right of center position 4-5 years from now does that make you feel invalidated?


Yes, because that's the same position that Obama is at.

Seriously though, a right of center stance is still pretty liberal by CPAC standards.
 
2012-07-09 07:42:13 AM

Ambivalence: Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.

You think liberals are lockstep? you clearly don't understand liberals. I believe the term "Herding cats" was used to describe thier tendancy for unity.


THIS

When my teabagger uncle asked me "Are you a librul?", I realized he meant in the sense Limbaugh and Beck use it. I tried to explain that there is not such thing but he thought I was being liberal-evasive, as instructed in the latest directive from the collective.
 
2012-07-09 07:42:30 AM

Gwyrddu: The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

Of course I doubt the philosophies back then translate that well into the 21st century. I think the reality is that as people age they tend to become less extremist. Since US politics is pretty far to the right, that would mean usually becoming liberal as you get older in the US.


They don't translate at all. I do not know when exactly the first quote was made, but judging by the man's age I presume he made it before the 1848 revolutions (during the time of the French Monarchy), or during/after the revolutions, when across Europe representational governments began to appear in limited numbers. Or perhaps he made it after Napoleon III had his coup. The leftist "Republicans" of the day were radicals compared to their counterparts on the right, the monarchists, the autocrats, the pro-Napoleon parties and individuals. There are absolutely no connections or similarities between the French Republicans of the 19th Century and America's GOP. Absolutely none.
 
2012-07-09 07:46:20 AM

acefox1: Oh no he DI'INT!!!?!?!

Good for him!

If you grew up and still parrot all of the exact same politics as your parents you probably need some time apart. Spending a few months travelling around Europe and the third world would be a good start.


I think we can all agree that parroting someone else is a bad idea, you should learn to think for yourself. That includes parroting such noted 21st century intellectuals as Stewart and Colbert.
 
2012-07-09 07:57:32 AM
Republicans ran a smear campaign against a 12 year old with brain damage because his family advocated for expanding the SCHIP program.

This kid has made himself the enemy of a vast legion of unhinged retards that have no morals.
 
2012-07-09 08:01:49 AM
Wow, that kid knows how to write. I wish I wrote that well when I was 17.
 
2012-07-09 08:10:02 AM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


Step 3: Block 18 yr olds from voting

Republican Plan for success.
 
2012-07-09 08:17:29 AM

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.


Clarence Thomas spoke at our local university a few years ago. He spoke, naturally, to an all-Republican crowd, many of whom openly thanked him for "preserving the conservative agenda" (re: not the Constitution). One of his first statements was that he was a liberal, but then he grew up. Applause, applause.

Then I got to thinking: if being "grown up" means I stop caring about the poor and the people without rights, that I stop wondering about the long-term solution rather than quick fixes, then I don't wanna grow up.
 
2012-07-09 08:18:19 AM

serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success


1. We did that, since the vast majority of 13 year olds are idiots.
2. No one is doing that. The kid is explaining why step 1 was actually the proper step to take.
 
2012-07-09 08:23:42 AM

wademh: Damned education. It keeps turning them into liberals.


Honestly... probably, in this case. Dude's just not capable of thinking things through on his own and goes with whatever his peer group is saying. It'll wear off when he gets a real job-- once the primary metric for your success involves what you do for a living and not everyone liking you you tend to take a step back and actually consider your political opinions instead of just researching them.

And he'll probably end up in the center somewhere like an increasing majority of Americans. Which means he'll still be voting Dem, yeah, but likely not for entirely the same reasons.

//Not down on researching your politics, it's a good first step. For undergrads, though, it tends to just kind of... stop at that step.
 
2012-07-09 08:38:09 AM
Important question: Thumbs up or thumbs down on the Robb Stark beard?
 
2012-07-09 08:38:32 AM

Going for the ad hom here, but . . .

The kid was a smart ass at 13 and a hipster douchebag at 17 . . . why does anyone care one way or the other?

media.salon.com
What a Hipster Douchebag might look like.
 
2012-07-09 08:40:45 AM

Mrtraveler01: Yes, because that's the same position that Obama is at.

Seriously though, a right of center stance is still pretty liberal by CPAC standards.


Basically... 'Those CPAC people are so far to the right that everyone but them is liberal... But in my unbiased opinion over here Obama isn't left wing'

So... Basically you're freely admitting that you're just the left wing version of a CPAC follower? That's not something to brag about.

There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.
 
2012-07-09 08:41:14 AM

Lackofname: I want to give this kid kudos, I really do. But... being the exalted age of 16, he knows way more now.

Let's get back to him when he's close to 30, and then see what he thinks.


At least he knows enough not to have a 13 year old kid speak at a national conference.
 
2012-07-09 08:43:16 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


Because they are extremely partisan and they have begun admonishing policies that they once defended?
 
2012-07-09 08:46:50 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


It actually is exactly because of that. He can get them to fight their own policies with just a few words. They exist only to oppose. They don't even have a governing philosophy anymore.
 
2012-07-09 08:47:31 AM
Damn, I regret not wording that one better.
 
2012-07-09 08:47:36 AM

randomjsa: derp


You said Basically twice.
 
2012-07-09 08:49:19 AM

keylock71: This kid must be the exception to the rule... As far as I can tell, Republicans never grow up.


Except the Catholic ones. How are you going to molest children without first growing up?
 
2012-07-09 08:50:34 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.

Clarence Thomas spoke at our local university a few years ago. He spoke, naturally, to an all-Republican crowd, many of whom openly thanked him for "preserving the conservative agenda" (re: not the Constitution). One of his first statements was that he was a liberal, but then he grew up. Applause, applause.

Then I got to thinking: if being "grown up" means I stop caring about the poor and the people without rights, that I stop wondering about the long-term solution rather than quick fixes, then I don't wanna grow up.


Isn't showing compassion and learning how to deal with real-life problems an adult endeavor? The fact that Republicans always go for the insult shows how inherently childish their worldview is. They're not interested in solving problems, they're scoring points in an imaginary game.

Fart_Machine: At least he knows enough not to have a 13 year old kid speak at a national conference.


Not to mention this. Who the hell bases the feasibility of their ideology on some prepubescent spouting their talking points? The whole thing is absurd and stinks of the brainwashing Republicans need to further their agenda. Whatever their agenda may be...it just comes off as 'I get to do what I want always wah wah wah.'

When the final pages of the Republican Party are written, it will have to throw in this whole affair as why they were pretty awful fascists: they cheered a young boy when he just spouted their talking points without thinking about them. As soon as he was old enough to make up his own mind, he had to die, because that same person actually thought about their bullshiat and decided it wasn't for him.
 
2012-07-09 08:51:36 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


Exactly. They just hate it when poor people can afford to be healthy. And fluorescent light. And the love to smoke as cheaply as possible.

It's really all due to those three things.
 
2012-07-09 08:51:42 AM

Wyalt Derp: Drayen: FTFA: "I would love it if a bunch of angry right-wingers stopped saying stupid things about me. I also want a six-pack, a mansion in the Hamptons and a beautiful woman with cans the size of my head. "

What's his Fark handle?


Weedlord Bonerhitler.
 
2012-07-09 08:53:37 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


What abhorrent domestic policies are you even talking about? Obamacare, the republican answer to hillarycare/romneycare? Or the continuing republican tax cuts? Or is it continuing Bush era programs and laws in the name of stopping terrorism? Or possibly continuing the war on medical marijuana?
 
2012-07-09 08:56:15 AM

animal color: List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17


I don't know if maintaining this list is a personal project for you but kudos for keeping it around.
 
2012-07-09 08:57:14 AM

maxx2112: Going for the ad hom here, but . . .

The kid was a smart ass at 13 and a hipster douchebag at 17 . . . why does anyone care one way or the other?

[media.salon.com image 460x307]
What a Hipster Douchebag might look like.


he's not a hipster, he wears those glasses because he's a genuine nerd.
 
2012-07-09 09:05:54 AM

animal color: List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17


I still think it would be easier to do a list of people, places, groups and concepts NOT conspiring against the GOP.
 
2012-07-09 09:06:59 AM

GAT_00: Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world.

The other, of course, involves orcs.


Thank god I read LOTR then.

Actually one of my favorite books when I was like 9 was a book called "The Girl Who Owned a City." All humans over the age of 16 die and kids are left to fend for themselves. years later I went to go look it up again and found out the author was a Randite (?) who wrote this as an early introduction to objectivism. PIssed me the hell off. Thank god it never took root.
 
2012-07-09 09:07:23 AM

animal color: Jonathan Krohn at age 17


duly noted, I've updated my copy.
 
2012-07-09 09:07:37 AM

LordJiro: I still think it would be easier to do a list of people, places, groups and concepts NOT conspiring against the GOP.


1. The GOP (at least some of it)
2....
 
2012-07-09 09:07:55 AM

HotWingConspiracy: randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.

It actually is exactly because of that. He can get them to fight their own policies with just a few words. They exist only to oppose. They don't even have a governing philosophy anymore.


And they get their news from very poor/biased sources and have a poor understanding of the facts. Just from a short conversation yesterday:
"Obama has the worst track record on jobs of any president ever"
"Obama is responsible for more debt then every single president combined."
"The reason we're in so much debt is because Obama is giving all our money to foreign countries."
"Where are all the jobs? He's spending all this money and yet there's no jobs any where, he's probably pocketing the money."
 
2012-07-09 09:09:24 AM

Jim_Callahan: Sabyen91: Jim_Callahan: He's, what, 17? No one gives a single fark about what he thinks, either, and rightly so.

They did 4 years ago...

No, no they didn't. It was a random meme used as an excuse for the usual standard bickering, just like publishing his equally useless shiat now.


I guess they just invited him to speak at CPAC because they weren't able to fill all the time slots?

I don't even care about this particular memory hole. We all latch onto curiosities of personality, like a 13 year old who doesn't just believe what his parents taught him, but has practiced delivering that message and become fairly effective in its dissemination. If he were staunchly liberal it'd have been just the same (more or less).

But now that the kid's flopped (read; grew older and developed his own ideas), conservatives are fighting one another to dump him from the rosters. And that's farking weird.

Here's what happened:
13 year old developed political awareness "at 8 years old" because of hearing about democratic filibusters of republican appointments and thought that was dumb. Goes on to practice public speaking and junk. He is invited to speak at CPAC and his speech lauded. The link to that thread is upthread.

13 year old aged an additional 30%. Changed his mind.

There is nothing shocking about this story aside from the amount of attention heaped upon him. And that was perpetrated by the conservatives of 2009 who were hero-less, rudderless, and struggling to unite in ideology in the face of the TEA Party movement.
 
2012-07-09 09:09:33 AM

ArgusRun: GAT_00: Calmamity:

Thank god I read LOTR then.

Actually one of my favorite books when I was like 9 was a book called "The Girl Who Owned a City." All humans over the age of 16 die and kids are left to fend for themselves. years later I went to go look it up again and found out the author was a Randite (?) who wrote this as an early introduction to objectivism. PIssed me the hell off. Thank god it never took root.


I loved that book!
 
2012-07-09 09:09:35 AM

LordJiro: I still think it would be easier to do a list of people, places, groups and concepts NOT conspiring against the GOP.


It would be shorter (did I miss anyone?):

Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum
 
2012-07-09 09:12:47 AM

Satanic_Hamster: And they get their news from very poor/biased sources and have a poor understanding of the facts. Just from a short conversation yesterday:


I got an email that my grandfather had sent everybody in his address book similar to that over the weekend.
The first line: "I am providing these facts because they are the truth. I will not be quiet and I do not care if it upsets those that read it. This is the truth."
The second line: "Would you re-elect someone that doubled the national debt since 2008?"

I didn't read the third line.
 
2012-07-09 09:13:48 AM

bulldg4life: randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.

Because they are extremely partisan and they have begun admonishing policies that they once defended?


I'm still getting over the fact that randomjsa not only actually responded to something but bit my troll as well.

I can already tell that it's going to be a great day!
 
2012-07-09 09:15:40 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


Because Obama stole their ideas?
 
2012-07-09 09:20:52 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


If it's not because of anything else, you are saying that there is no reason, and that it's just blind, unthinking opposition.
 
2012-07-09 09:24:25 AM
Teenager changes his mind about something. And later, something that's within 5 feet of you can kill your children. Find out what it is and weather with Skip Winkman at 11.
 
2012-07-09 09:26:32 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


There is only one reason the moderate Obama agenda is so wholeheartedly rejected by the GOP: because it is politically expedient for them to do so.

I'm sure you realize that most of Obama's agenda consists of policy that was not long ago Republican policy in good standing. Obviously his policies aren't liberal ones by any objective standard... The guy is a moderate by any definition.

Obamacare was a Heritage Foundation plan, and the GOP supported a plan with an individual mandate for nearly 20 years before Obama reluctantly took it up because he thought it could work. Why are so many of these former supporters now suddenly constitutional scholars who call it "unconstitutional"? Well just take some motivated reasoning and add a dash of post-rationalization and you get a whole lotta derp.
 
2012-07-09 09:27:19 AM

Skarekrough: animal color: List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
[snip]

I don't know if maintaining this list is a personal project for you but kudos for keeping it around.


It's not mine. I'm not that smart. I'm not sure who created the list, but I do believe it needs to be kept alive as a symbol of how barking mad we've become.

It may also need a good edit.
 
2012-07-09 09:28:48 AM
Anybody recall notable examples of libby libs converting to Republicans?

Besides Reagan, of course...
 
2012-07-09 09:28:53 AM

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.


This is why I say Objectivism is to deep thought as McDonald's is to fine dining. And I think it's no coincidence that a lot of people never grow out of either.
 
2012-07-09 09:30:17 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


Because despite deifying Reagan (whose political views are now somewhere between George McGovern and George Harrison by comparison to the new 21st Century standard Right-Wing Derp Political Spectrum), they have no idea what the f*ck he did on this mortal coil. So, Obummer bad, despite looking a heckuva lot like Reagan.
 
2012-07-09 09:30:51 AM
I'm totally shocked that Right-wingers would belittle someone for realizing the world is bigger than a 13-year old's perspective.
 
2012-07-09 09:31:30 AM

imontheinternet: Teenager changes his mind about something. And later, something that's within 5 feet of you can kill your children. Find out what it is and weather with Skip Winkman at 11.


Autumn leaves. A stark reminder of how tenuous a grip we have on life. But also of how our creator gifts us with breath, life, and prosperity.

Until he doesn't.

This has been Flips Tips, on Adult Swim.
 
2012-07-09 09:33:09 AM

NewportBarGuy: Then I went out into the world and realized all of that childish bullsh*t was just some sort of bizarre view of the world. I still can't really explain what drew me to that nonsense.



You don't understand how a "me first" mentallity would entice a child?
 
2012-07-09 09:33:57 AM

mrshowrules: Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum


Those people are acting against the GOP's long-term interests (survival/maintaining relevance over the long term), whether they know it or not.

Republicans need to begin facing the fact that they're a dying breed, and either start moving toward the left or split up into other new or existing parties: Libertarian, Conservative, Christian, and Fascist (call it National Front or something, to sound better). The former two will become more popular than the latter two (which mostly serves to contain the crazies) and actually have a chance at becoming major parties if that split happens. Democrats would then move to the left in response and actually become a liberal party. Then we'll have more of the political balance you see in places like Canada and western European countries.
 
2012-07-09 09:34:37 AM

NewportBarGuy: I still can't really explain what drew me to that nonsense.


Children have immature cognitive abilities, and strong narcissistic streaks, which makes them just like the average republican.

/"Me, me, me! I pay my taxes! I don't like homos! I don't want to hear your so called facts!" You get the idea.
 
2012-07-09 09:36:21 AM

mrshowrules: Rinsed Penis



encrypted-tbn2.google.com
 
2012-07-09 09:38:24 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: mrshowrules: Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum

Those people are acting against the GOP's long-term interests (survival/maintaining relevance over the long term), whether they know it or not.

Republicans need to begin facing the fact that they're a dying breed, and either start moving toward the left or split up into other new or existing parties: Libertarian, Conservative, Christian, and Fascist (call it NationalStormFront or something, to sound better). The former two will become more popular than the latter two (which mostly serves to contain the crazies) and actually have a chance at becoming major parties if that split happens. Democrats would then move to the left in response and actually become a liberal party. Then we'll have more of the political balance you see in places like Canada and western European countries.


FTFY
 
2012-07-09 09:40:24 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: mrshowrules: Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum

Those people are acting against the GOP's long-term interests (survival/maintaining relevance over the long term), whether they know it or not.

Republicans need to begin facing the fact that they're a dying breed, and either start moving toward the left or split up into other new or existing parties: Libertarian, Conservative, Christian, and Fascist (call it National Front or something, to sound better). The former two will become more popular than the latter two (which mostly serves to contain the crazies) and actually have a chance at becoming major parties if that split happens. Democrats would then move to the left in response and actually become a liberal party. Then we'll have more of the political balance you see in places like Canada and western European countries.


Except Canada farked up by splitting the Liberal vote across two-parties which but Canadian Conservative Stephen Sweater-vest (Rick Santorum-lite) in charge.
 
2012-07-09 09:41:49 AM

BeesNuts:
I guess they just invited him to speak at CPAC because they weren't able to fill all the time slots?


More or less, yes. Then the media went into "fluffy human interest story" mode and he ended up spread around a bit.

People care about what he has to say about as much as they care about the star wars kid's fencing technique. Conventions are not really the srs bzns they're made out to be, they're like 90% social occasions, 8% victory lap for recent political victories, and 2% actually talking policy.

Him popping back up now is, to extend the analogy a bit, equivalent to the month or so of random follow-up where we learned that the Star Wars Kid grew up to be a lawyer. Kind of interesting in a fuzzy-human-interest-story way, but not something to actually be cared about.
 
2012-07-09 09:46:46 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: mrshowrules: Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum

Those people are acting against the GOP's long-term interests (survival/maintaining relevance over the long term), whether they know it or not.

Republicans need to begin facing the fact that they're a dying breed, and either start moving toward the left or split up into other new or existing parties: Libertarian, Conservative, Christian, and Fascist (call it National Front or something, to sound better). The former two will become more popular than the latter two (which mostly serves to contain the crazies) and actually have a chance at becoming major parties if that split happens. Democrats would then move to the left in response and actually become a liberal party. Then we'll have more of the political balance you see in places like Canada and western European countries.



Those people named above? They would ensure the republican base will never allow Democrats to be more liberal or for us to follow a European model.
 
2012-07-09 09:48:06 AM

mahuika: The one grain of salt I give to Ayn Rand


Don't even get me started about Ayn Rand...
 
2012-07-09 09:48:23 AM

stoli n coke: Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.

You seem to have a vested interest in winning back this 17 year old boy. You trying to tell us something?


No actual conservative has ever devolved into a liberal before so the notion of "winning back" is non sequitur for that example.
 
2012-07-09 09:49:20 AM
In the future, a good rule of thumb might be: If you're not old enough to have consensual sex, you're probably not old enough to make consequential political statements.

No, kid if you are not at least 35 then you are not old enough to make consequential political statements and that is not just me talking out my ass, but the wisdom of the founding fathers.
 
2012-07-09 09:50:00 AM

maxx2112: hipster douchebag


yeah look at that hipster, wearing clothes and having hair
 
2012-07-09 09:50:38 AM

Calmamity: Same thing with Ayn Rand. I thought Objectivism was a viable political philosophy when I was 13.

But then I grew the fu*k up.


What really cracks me up about Objectivism is that it is just Satanism repackaged in a non-offensive form.
 
2012-07-09 09:50:55 AM

mrshowrules: Sock Ruh Tease: mrshowrules: Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum

Those people are acting against the GOP's long-term interests (survival/maintaining relevance over the long term), whether they know it or not.

Republicans need to begin facing the fact that they're a dying breed, and either start moving toward the left or split up into other new or existing parties: Libertarian, Conservative, Christian, and Fascist (call it National Front or something, to sound better). The former two will become more popular than the latter two (which mostly serves to contain the crazies) and actually have a chance at becoming major parties if that split happens. Democrats would then move to the left in response and actually become a liberal party. Then we'll have more of the political balance you see in places like Canada and western European countries.

Except Canada farked up by splitting the Liberal vote across two-parties which got Canadian Conservative Stephen Sweater-vest (Rick Santorum-lite) in charge.


Splitting the Republicans across two or more parties actually makes sense, since that party is full of people with different ideas conforming to each other's ideas. With several parties they can actually better represent what they stand for. Though I agree that they would probably not split up if it meant never getting the White House again due to split votes.

The Democrats have a good chance of staying intact simply because of the divisions that already exist in that party. The Blue Dogs would probably move into a major Conservative party but they could largely stay intact and move slightly left.
 
2012-07-09 09:52:31 AM

Slaves2Darkness: In the future, a good rule of thumb might be: If you're not old enough to have consensual sex, you're probably not old enough to make consequential political statements.

No, kid if you are not at least 35 then you are not old enough to make consequential political statements and that is not just me talking out my ass, but the wisdom of the founding fathers.


So the founders thought only the President should be of the age required to make consequential political statements, not Representatives or Senators?
 
2012-07-09 09:52:55 AM

NewportBarGuy: Calmamity:
......
It's nice to see clearly now. However, some days... I wish I took the blue pill.


That's what He said.

/been waiting to make that joke.
 
2012-07-09 09:56:16 AM

acefox1: Oh no he DI'INT!!!?!?!

Good for him!

If you grew up and still parrot all of the exact same politics as your parents you probably need some time apart. Spending a few months travelling around Europe and the third world would be a good start.


I don't know about you, but my views do reflect my parents. I'm betting that this is just a teenage/young adult rebellion against mommy and daddy and he will come back to the conservitard fold when he starts to have kids.

That is the way it usually works, sure the little bastard will try on lots of different pants when he is a young man just starting out in the world, but the reality is very few break away from those old comfortable pants that their parents wear.

I imagine in about another 13 years he will have a rebirth and a joyous return to the derpturd fold.
 
2012-07-09 09:57:20 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: mrshowrules: Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum

Those people are acting against the GOP's long-term interests (survival/maintaining relevance over the long term), whether they know it or not.

Republicans need to begin facing the fact that they're a dying breed, and either start moving toward the left or split up into other new or existing parties: Libertarian, Conservative, Christian, and Fascist (call it National Front or something, to sound better). The former two will become more popular than the latter two (which mostly serves to contain the crazies) and actually have a chance at becoming major parties if that split happens. Democrats would then move to the left in response and actually become a liberal party. Then we'll have more of the political balance you see in places like Canada and western European countries.


You can't have more than two parties for very long unless either
1) some of the parties are highly regionalized (Bloc Quebecois, Scottish National)
2) you have runoff voting, proportional representation, or some other similar system that is very uncommon in English-speaking countries.

In other words, one more election cycle like the last and the NDP will become Canada's de-facto liberal party.
 
2012-07-09 09:59:00 AM

MrLint: serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success

Step 3: Block 18 yr oldsthe poor from voting

Republican Plan for success.


ftfu.
 
2012-07-09 10:00:23 AM
problems with the two party system... you get to choose between warmongers or communists

but its all just a facade.... really we live in a global corporate-ocracy
 
2012-07-09 10:00:47 AM

Slaves2Darkness: acefox1: Oh no he DI'INT!!!?!?!

Good for him!

If you grew up and still parrot all of the exact same politics as your parents you probably need some time apart. Spending a few months travelling around Europe and the third world would be a good start.

I don't know about you, but my views do reflect my parents. I'm betting that this is just a teenage/young adult rebellion against mommy and daddy and he will come back to the conservitard fold when he starts to have kids.

That is the way it usually works, sure the little bastard will try on lots of different pants when he is a young man just starting out in the world, but the reality is very few break away from those old comfortable pants that their parents wear.

I imagine in about another 13 years he will have a rebirth and a joyous return to the derpturd fold.


I think it's better to say that views are typically influenced by parents rather than a reflection of parents' views.

It's possible to adopt your parents' views. It's also possible to look at your parents' views, and say to yourself, "Wow. These are the most despicable views a human being could possibly have. I think I will find something less retarded to believe in." And there's everything in the middle of those two. Regardless of how that turns out, your views were influenced by your parents.

Granted, it can take a strong will to break things like political and religious indoctrination. But it happens.
 
2012-07-09 10:01:53 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Slaves2Darkness: In the future, a good rule of thumb might be: If you're not old enough to have consensual sex, you're probably not old enough to make consequential political statements.

No, kid if you are not at least 35 then you are not old enough to make consequential political statements and that is not just me talking out my ass, but the wisdom of the founding fathers.

So the founders thought only the President should be of the age required to make consequential political statements, not Representatives or Senators?


There are more then enough Representatives and Senators that the founders assumed we would not elect that the old folks could keep the young-ens in line.
 
2012-07-09 10:02:11 AM

Slaves2Darkness: In the future, a good rule of thumb might be: If you're not old enough to have consensual sex, you're probably not old enough to make consequential political statements.

No, kid if you are not at least 35 then you are not old enough to make consequential political statements and that is not just me talking out my ass, but the wisdom of the founding fathers.


The minimum age to be elected to the House of Representatives is actually 25. Thanks for playing.
 
2012-07-09 10:02:33 AM

thrgd456: problems with the two party system... you get to choose between warmongers or communists

but its all just a facade.... really we live in a global corporate-ocracy


What do you suggest we do?

Sitting around biatching about it all the time isn't going to solve this issue and make things any better.

What do you actually suggest we do to fix this?
 
2012-07-09 10:04:55 AM

Slaves2Darkness: MrLint: serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success

Step 3: Block 18 yr oldsthe poor from voting

Republican Plan for success.

ftfu.


Step 3: Block 18 yr oldsthe poor from voting TWICE

FTFU
 
2012-07-09 10:09:06 AM
All together now:

noobstore.com
 
2012-07-09 10:10:12 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: mrshowrules: Sock Ruh Tease: mrshowrules: Ted Nugent
Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Joe the Plumber
Sarah Palin
Michelle Bachman
Rinsed Penis
Rick Sanoturum

Those people are acting against the GOP's long-term interests (survival/maintaining relevance over the long term), whether they know it or not.

Republicans need to begin facing the fact that they're a dying breed, and either start moving toward the left or split up into other new or existing parties: Libertarian, Conservative, Christian, and Fascist (call it National Front or something, to sound better). The former two will become more popular than the latter two (which mostly serves to contain the crazies) and actually have a chance at becoming major parties if that split happens. Democrats would then move to the left in response and actually become a liberal party. Then we'll have more of the political balance you see in places like Canada and western European countries.

Except Canada farked up by splitting the Liberal vote across two-parties which got Canadian Conservative Stephen Sweater-vest (Rick Santorum-lite) in charge.

Splitting the Republicans across two or more parties actually makes sense, since that party is full of people with different ideas conforming to each other's ideas. With several parties they can actually better represent what they stand for. Though I agree that they would probably not split up if it meant never getting the White House again due to split votes.

The Democrats have a good chance of staying intact simply because of the divisions that already exist in that party. The Blue Dogs would probably move into a major Conservative party but they could largely stay intact and move slightly left.


Back in 2004, it seemed to make sense to split the Democratic party. Being in power does a lot to help a party seem to be unified. Democrats can also have factions. They are an umbrella group of many causes: Feminism, LGBT, anti-poverty, pro increased labor market protections, increased minimum wage, national healthcare, national education, environmental protection, anti-war, pro-war but only for UN-approved humanitarian causes, etc. There are some Democrats who believe in all of these things, and many who only believe in a few.
 
Bf+
2012-07-09 10:12:53 AM
barkingbookreviews.com
 
2012-07-09 10:13:36 AM

xanadian: Let's also not forget that it was Eisenhower (I believe), a Republican, who warned us about catering too much to the military-industrial complex.


You might want to take a listen to This. From the man, Gil Scott-Heron...Gotta work for peace.
 
2012-07-09 10:14:59 AM

Slaves2Darkness: acefox1: Oh no he DI'INT!!!?!?!

Good for him!

If you grew up and still parrot all of the exact same politics as your parents you probably need some time apart. Spending a few months travelling around Europe and the third world would be a good start.

I don't know about you, but my views do reflect my parents. I'm betting that this is just a teenage/young adult rebellion against mommy and daddy and he will come back to the conservitard fold when he starts to have kids.

That is the way it usually works, sure the little bastard will try on lots of different pants when he is a young man just starting out in the world, but the reality is very few break away from those old comfortable pants that their parents wear.

I imagine in about another 13 years he will have a rebirth and a joyous return to the derpturd fold.


Many people's parents are also split so it becomes a matter of which parent has most influence on you. More importantly though are two factors, life experience/ignorance and capacity for empathy.

Ignorance and lack of empathy is typical amongst Conservatives.

Most Conservatives are pro-"enhanced interrogation" except for McCain, because he had less ignorance on this subject and could apply his limited empathy.

Same sex marriage, because Cheney had a gay daughter (see above).

Mark Rubio on immigration etc... etc...

A definite pattern of Conservatives taking Liberal positions when their life experience has taught them something allowing what limited empathy they are capable to take effect.
 
2012-07-09 10:22:44 AM
FTFA:"...like the conservative Macauley Culkin, except I've never had a drug problem or dated Mila Kunis, unfortunately."

Well kid, I've got good news and bad news for you. First, the bad news. You're right, you'll never date Mila Kunis. Now for the good news. You're the perfect age to develop a drug problem.
 
2012-07-09 10:23:28 AM

randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.


I call bullshiat. It was noticed early and pointed out repeatedly when it happened that the "Right" hated Obama from the get-go and would oppose anything he did. They even said on election night that getting him out of office was their only goal. They've opposed him on things he adopted after they proposed them in the first place. So, yeah, you are incorrect.

If you're for real, remember what really happened and don't rewrite history.

If you're a troll, choke on it.
 
2012-07-09 10:32:34 AM

thrgd456: Slaves2Darkness: MrLint: serial_crusher: Step 1: Call your opponents childish for thinking a 13 year old has great ideas.
Step 2: Fawn over the great ideas of a 17 year old.

Democratic plan for success

Step 3: Block 18 yr oldsthe poor from voting

Republican Plan for success.

ftfu.


Step 3: Block 18 yr oldsthe poorGov. Scott from voting TWICE


FTF...oh nevermind
 
2012-07-09 10:35:35 AM
"An open mind and critical thought are like a metaphorical AA after a long bender on ideological wine."
 
2012-07-09 10:37:26 AM

MrBallou: randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.

I call bullshiat. It was noticed early and pointed out repeatedly when it happened that the "Right" hated Obama from the get-go and would oppose anything he did. They even said on election night that getting him out of office was their only goal. They've opposed him on things he adopted after they proposed them in the first place. So, yeah, you are incorrect.

If you're for real, remember what really happened and don't rewrite history.

If you're a troll, choke on it.


i'm not condoning what the republican noise machine does, but c'mon folks... *newsflash* the republicans didn't like the democrats long before Obama got elected
 
2012-07-09 10:47:14 AM

thrgd456: problems with the two party system... you get to choose between warmongers or communists

but its all just a facade.... really we live in a global corporate-ocracy



thrgd456
2007-03-03 08:29:07 AM

blame bush. blame bush. blame bush. You idiots, he isn't the one that's gonna spank you guys in the 2008 presidential election.

The only way you libs could lose in 2008 is to run a woman or an african american.
 
2012-07-09 10:49:23 AM

animal color: List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats
Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17


You forgot one:

Bears -- godless killing machines
 
2012-07-09 10:50:14 AM

AdamK: MrBallou: randomjsa: There's a reason that Obama's domestic policies have been abhorrent to most people on the right, and no, its not because they're all extremists, or racists, or anything else.

I call bullshiat. It was noticed early and pointed out repeatedly when it happened that the "Right" hated Obama from the get-go and would oppose anything he did. They even said on election night that getting him out of office was their only goal. They've opposed him on things he adopted after they proposed them in the first place. So, yeah, you are incorrect.

If you're for real, remember what really happened and don't rewrite history.

If you're a troll, choke on it.

i'm not condoning what the republican noise machine does, but c'mon folks... *newsflash* the republicans didn't like the democrats long before Obama got elected


True, they did the same evil, dishonest Goebbels-esque crap to Clinton. Doesn't make it any less phony and reprehensible.
 
2012-07-09 10:53:03 AM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: Clarence Thomas spoke at our local university a few years ago. He spoke, naturally, to an all-Republican crowd, many of whom openly thanked him for "preserving the conservative agenda" (re: not the Constitution). One of his first statements was that he was a liberal, but then he grew up.


Clarence Thomas didn't go from liberal to conservative. Clarence Thomas went from liberal to "I got mine..... F*CK Y'ALL!" He knows that he has a job for as long as he wants it, and does as little as possible in that capacity.
 
2012-07-09 10:54:17 AM

Jim_Callahan: BeesNuts:
I guess they just invited him to speak at CPAC because they weren't able to fill all the time slots?

More or less, yes.


So you're doubling down on your claim that making him a featured speaker at CPAC doesn't mean Conservatives were interested in what he thought?
 
2012-07-09 10:54:18 AM

Jim_Callahan: People care about what he has to say about as much as they care about the star wars kid's fencing technique. Conventions are not really the srs bzns they're made out to be, they're like 90% social occasions, 8% victory lap for recent political victories, and 2% actually talking policy.


I don't recall the star wars kid ever having a book deal or being touted as the future of conservatism by fawning GOP pundits and politicians.
 
2012-07-09 10:56:26 AM

GAT_00: xanadian: All that having been said, there's nothing wrong with reducing the size of the Federal government, controlling spending, reducing the government's reach into people's lives, etc.

I can think of half a trillion in spending that can go with a cost of maybe 200,000 jobs. We've shed a million government jobs for just a couple of billion in savings. All that military spending goes to pointless production, not jobs.


It's retarded to think that winding it down wont cost jobs, and good ones at that. There are a lot of engineers working to make sure that they can unstealthify on a whim the stealth material they spent 5 billion making. That said, it needs to happen.

Also, keep naval spending as is. Having a Navy with ridiculous amounts of power is a very good thing and for example has current benefits of keeping Iran, Pirates, China (especially), etc... in check.
 
2012-07-09 10:58:35 AM

The Why Not Guy: Jim_Callahan: BeesNuts:
I guess they just invited him to speak at CPAC because they weren't able to fill all the time slots?

More or less, yes.

So you're doubling down on your claim that making him a featured speaker at CPAC doesn't mean Conservatives were interested in what he thought?



If that's his argument:
What's worse, that they couldn't fill time slots at arguably the most important conference for conservatives, or that the best choice they could make was to fill it with a 13-year old?
 
2012-07-09 11:10:18 AM

Lupine Chemist: GAT_00: xanadian: All that having been said, there's nothing wrong with reducing the size of the Federal government, controlling spending, reducing the government's reach into people's lives, etc.

I can think of half a trillion in spending that can go with a cost of maybe 200,000 jobs. We've shed a million government jobs for just a couple of billion in savings. All that military spending goes to pointless production, not jobs.

It's retarded to think that winding it down wont cost jobs, and good ones at that. There are a lot of engineers working to make sure that they can unstealthify on a whim the stealth material they spent 5 billion making. That said, it needs to happen.

Also, keep naval spending as is. Having a Navy with ridiculous amounts of power is a very good thing and for example has current benefits of keeping Iran, Pirates, China (especially), etc... in check.



We can cut spending without losing the high-level R&D jobs. Let's get our troops out of Western Europe. They don't need to be protected from the Red Menace anymore. And we can cut the bullshiat extra jet engines the Pentagon didn't ask for, but Senator Fiscally Conservative still wants in his hometown.
 
2012-07-09 11:14:33 AM

that bosnian sniper: Roosevelt was an ardent progressive and reformist, and -- get this -- an environmentalist.


Admittedly, he was an environmentalist primarily so the animals he wanted to hunt wouldn't go extinct before he shot them.
 
2012-07-09 11:17:08 AM

Mrtraveler01: thrgd456: problems with the two party system... you get to choose between warmongers or communists

but its all just a facade.... really we live in a global corporate-ocracy

What do you suggest we do?

Sitting around biatching about it all the time isn't going to solve this issue and make things any better.

What do you actually suggest we do to fix this?


First, give your life to Christ
Second, adopt a philosophical viewpoint. Mine is like Judge Fang,"be like the cork..."
 
2012-07-09 11:20:01 AM

Chotchkie's: "An open mind and critical thought are like a metaphorical AA after a long bender on ideological wine."


Yeah, kid got too fancy there. First of all, it's obviously metaphorical, so it's silly to flag it as such. Secondly...painful metaphor.

He's 17 though, so whatever.
 
2012-07-09 11:29:22 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Chotchkie's: "An open mind and critical thought are like a metaphorical AA after a long bender on ideological wine."

Yeah, kid got too fancy there. First of all, it's obviously metaphorical, so it's silly to flag it as such. Secondly...painful metaphor.

He's 17 though, so whatever.


He's mixing up a simile with a metaphor. That's what editors are supposed to catch. He should be playing video games and experimenting with different types of masturbation at that age.
 
2012-07-09 11:34:11 AM

thrgd456: Mrtraveler01: thrgd456: problems with the two party system... you get to choose between warmongers or communists

but its all just a facade.... really we live in a global corporate-ocracy

What do you suggest we do?

Sitting around biatching about it all the time isn't going to solve this issue and make things any better.

What do you actually suggest we do to fix this?

First, give your life to Christ
Second, adopt a philosophical viewpoint. Mine is like Judge Fang,"be like the cork..."


So in other words, you got nothing?

Praying to Christ isn't going to change government.
 
2012-07-09 11:43:17 AM

Jim_Callahan: BeesNuts:
I guess they just invited him to speak at CPAC because they weren't able to fill all the time slots?

More or less, yes. Then the media went into "fluffy human interest story" mode and he ended up spread around a bit.

People care about what he has to say about as much as they care about the star wars kid's fencing technique. Conventions are not really the srs bzns they're made out to be, they're like 90% social occasions, 8% victory lap for recent political victories, and 2% actually talking policy.

Him popping back up now is, to extend the analogy a bit, equivalent to the month or so of random follow-up where we learned that the Star Wars Kid grew up to be a lawyer. Kind of interesting in a fuzzy-human-interest-story way, but not something to actually be cared about.


Star Wars Kid didn't have Newt Gingrich say he was "Sure to be a leader of his generation's return to conservatism the dark side."

Star Wars Kid wasn't also given subsequent speaking engagements for the following year and a half at TEA Party Rallies Wookie-Cons across the country.

Star Wars Kid didn't make the rounds to be interviewed by Niel Cavuto, Bill Bennet, Mark Levin or Rush Limbaugh. He didn't get to make live appearances on ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, and Syndicated Radio.

I don't get it. Why reinvent this episode of history? Fully *half* of the kids life since 2009 has been consumed by peddling the stuff he was selling at CPAC. The remaining 2 appear to have been spent being a somewhat normal kid. Good for him. Regardless of what he believes today, good for him.

I didn't like the cynical way he was "used" 4 years ago, and hopefully this doesn't signify some kind of re-entry into the arena unless he himself wills it.
 
2012-07-09 11:50:44 AM

Mrtraveler01: thrgd456: Mrtraveler01: thrgd456: problems with the two party system... you get to choose between warmongers or communists

but its all just a facade.... really we live in a global corporate-ocracy

What do you suggest we do?

Sitting around biatching about it all the time isn't going to solve this issue and make things any better.

What do you actually suggest we do to fix this?

First, give your life to Christ
Second, adopt a philosophical viewpoint. Mine is like Judge Fang,"be like the cork..."

So in other words, you got nothing?

Praying to Christ isn't going to change government.


A National 24 hour uninterrupted praying marathon on November 6th might?
 
2012-07-09 12:06:25 PM
LOL! The difference is that at least the kid grew up.
 
2012-07-09 12:16:54 PM

maxx2112: The kid was a smart ass at 13 and a hipster douchebag at 17 . . . why does anyone care one way or the other?


Both ages are bad. Vote Republican.
 
2012-07-09 12:30:10 PM

Skleenar: Important question: Thumbs up or thumbs down on the Robb Stark beard?


He's cute. Thumb up.
 
2012-07-09 01:14:40 PM

Jim_Callahan: wademh: Damned education. It keeps turning them into liberals.

Honestly... probably, in this case. Dude's just not capable of thinking things through on his own and goes with whatever his peer group is saying. It'll wear off when he gets a real job-- once the primary metric for your success involves what you do for a living and not everyone liking you you tend to take a step back and actually consider your political opinions instead of just researching them.

And he'll probably end up in the center somewhere like an increasing majority of Americans. Which means he'll still be voting Dem, yeah, but likely not for entirely the same reasons.

//Not down on researching your politics, it's a good first step. For undergrads, though, it tends to just kind of... stop at that step.


I think you said once you start considering your pocket book instead of what is otherwise right or wrong.
 
2012-07-09 01:43:25 PM
Hahahahahaha.

Oh my, hahahahaha.
 
2012-07-09 02:13:30 PM

Ambivalence: Noam Chimpsky: He does sound like an inquisitive kid. He'll be a liberal for about 6 months and then he'll be telling anyone who'll listen that he's a libertarian. I don't think the liberal lockstep Borg mindset is going to take with this one.

You think liberals are lockstep? you clearly don't understand liberals. I believe the term "Herding cats" was used to describe thier tendancy for unity.


What makes those cats herdable?
 
2012-07-09 02:42:38 PM

Guntram Shatterhand: Who the hell bases the feasibility of their ideology on some prepubescent spouting their talking points?


I'd say it's pretty much part of their playbook:

...He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears; 4 but with righteousness he will judge the needy, with justice he will give decisions for the poor of the earth. He will strike the earth with the rod of his mouth; with the breath of his lips he will slay the wicked. 5 Righteousness will be his belt and faithfulness the sash around his waist.

6 The wolf will live with the lamb, the leopard will lie down with the goat, the calf and the lion and the yearling together; and a little child will lead them.


Isaiah 11:3-6
 
2012-07-09 02:53:46 PM

BeesNuts: I don't get it. Why reinvent this episode of history?


Because the Emperor's Clothes are still real to him!
 
2012-07-09 03:20:40 PM

Noam Chimpsky: What makes those cats herdable?


Actually I've had fair success with herding them with laser spots.

/cats, not liberals
 
2012-07-09 03:42:44 PM
jodaveki: "Cans the size of [his] head??" He really never has been with a woman. Jeez those would be freakish.

Freakishly awesome.

/ Or maybe he has a small head
 
2012-07-09 04:02:50 PM

rebelyell2006: Gwyrddu: The phrase originated with Francois Guisot (1787-1874): "Not to be a republican at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head." It was revived by French Premier Georges Clemenceau (1841-1929): "Not to be a socialist at twenty is proof of want of heart; to be one at thirty is proof of want of head."

Of course I doubt the philosophies back then translate that well into the 21st century. I think the reality is that as people age they tend to become less extremist. Since US politics is pretty far to the right, that would mean usually becoming liberal as you get older in the US.

They don't translate at all. I do not know when exactly the first quote was made, but judging by the man's age I presume he made it before the 1848 revolutions (during the time of the French Monarchy), or during/after the revolutions, when across Europe representational governments began to appear in limited numbers. Or perhaps he made it after Napoleon III had his coup. The leftist "Republicans" of the day were radicals compared to their counterparts on the right, the monarchists, the autocrats, the pro-Napoleon parties and individuals. There are absolutely no connections or similarities between the French Republicans of the 19th Century and America's GOP. Absolutely none.


They weren't CORRECT back then either. The argument was that to want social change at 20 was logical because you would want to help the poor, but by age 30 you should have outgrown childish notions and accepted that the Aristocracy were naturally superior beings and "the way things are" was the only logical, reasonable, proper way for things to be. Also everything that was ever going to be invented had been, the earth would never run our of natural resources, other races were inferior, and damn kids should get off my lawn.
 
2012-07-09 04:12:04 PM

Weaver95: I like to think that the idiots of this world are a self solving problem. eventually they'll weed themselves out of the gene pool...we just have to be patient and give them plenty of opportunities to try a lot of dangerous stunts.


Except that isn't the case. Intelligent people tend to use family planning. Idiots do not. For the foreseeable future, we're going to have something of an Idiocracy effect. They'll simply reproduce faster than they can kill themselves off.

Things aren't going to radically change until Gattaca style genetic selection or outright genetic manipulation takes place. Then things are really going to get interesting (especially when you start asking who gets to set the standards for manipulation).
 
2012-07-09 04:18:29 PM

Lupine Chemist: It's retarded to think that winding it down wont cost jobs, and good ones at that.


If we as a country have become so paralyzed with fear that cutting government spending may result in some temporary job losses, then we've sort-of failed.

If we cut military spending, we will see job losses. The goal is to see them realigned to civilian projects. Maybe those rocket scientists will move on and finally invent a microwave oven that can heat a bag of popcorn without burning any of the kernels.
 
2012-07-09 04:29:57 PM
He's 17. Hopefully he's wiser now than he was at 13. It's really not that hard
 
2012-07-09 04:49:15 PM
No hero tag?
 
2012-07-09 04:58:49 PM
This guy is walking down the street when he notices a kid on the sidewalk with a box. On the side of the box is a sign:

Republican kittens for sale

He kind of chuckles at the idea and goes on his way. A couple of weeks later, he's walking along the same street when he sees the same kid with the box, only now the sign has been changed:

Democrat kittens for sale.

The guy goes up to the kid and asks, "Hey, what's the deal with the kittens? A couple weeks ago, they were Republican kittens. How come they're Democrats now?"

The kid looks at him and says, "Oh that's simple, they opened their eyes."
 
2012-07-09 05:18:46 PM

animal color: List of People Conspiring Against the GOP, and therefore, America
(LOPCATGOPATA for short):
Liberals
Democrats

Socialists
Community Organizers
Geologists
Biologists
Meteorologists
Climatologists
Atheists
Muslims
Jews
Satan
ABC
NBC
CNN
CBS
PBS
All of cable news except FNC
The New York Times
The LA Times
The Washington Post
The Associated Press
Reuters
BBC
The Guardian
Black People
Mexicans
Human Rights Activists
SCOTUS
Europe
Movie Industry
Television Industry
Environmentalists
ACLU
The United Nations
Labor Unions
Colleges
Teachers
Professors
ACORN
National Endowment for the Arts
Gays
Judges
NPR
Paleontologists
Astrophysicists
Museums (*except Creationism Museum)
WHO
WTO
Inflated tires
The Honolulu Advertiser
The Star Bulletin
Teletubbies
Sponge Bob and Patrick
Nobel Prize Committee
US Census Bureau
NOAA
Sesame Street
Comic Books
Little Green Footballs
Video Games
The Bible
CBO
Bruce Springsteen
Pennies
The Theory of Relativity
Comedy Central
Young People
whatever the hell a Justin Beiber is
Small Business Owners
Math
CPAC
Navy SEALs
The Economist
The Muppets
Iowa Republicans
Low-Flow Toilets
Breast Cancer Screenings
Chrysler
Clint Eastwood.
Robert Deniro
Tom Hanks
Glenn Frey
Norman Rockwell
James Cameron
Dr. Seus
Nuns
Supreme Court Justice John Roberts
Jonathan Krohn at age 17


Proud to fall under 7 categories of this list!
 
2012-07-09 05:33:46 PM
I wonder how many death threats this kid is going to get over the next month or so.
 
2012-07-09 05:51:22 PM

Dinjiin: Weaver95: I like to think that the idiots of this world are a self solving problem. eventually they'll weed themselves out of the gene pool...we just have to be patient and give them plenty of opportunities to try a lot of dangerous stunts.

Except that isn't the case. Intelligent people tend to use family planning. Idiots do not. For the foreseeable future, we're going to have something of an Idiocracy effect. They'll simply reproduce faster than they can kill themselves off.

Things aren't going to radically change until Gattaca style genetic selection or outright genetic manipulation takes place. Then things are really going to get interesting (especially when you start asking who gets to set the standards for manipulation).


We could always implement a Vietnamese style population control policy. Only two kids unless you're college educated, then you can have a third kid.

/no, i'm not serious, don't dig this up to use against me when I run for president in 30 years
 
2012-07-09 06:23:52 PM

rynthetyn: We could always implement a Vietnamese style population control policy. Only two kids unless you're college educated, then you can have a third kid.


Except that in the States, the Associate Degree is the new high school degree. Some of the classes being taught at my local CC were roughly equivalent to classes I took while in junior and senior high.
 
2012-07-09 08:41:59 PM
So this guy's way of saying he believes the right to be childish is to use childish insults? Exactly what is he trying to prove again, besides his own hypocrisy?
 
2012-07-09 10:36:08 PM
Someone get the Grand ol' Party some aloe vera for that SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!

/soothing
 
2012-07-10 02:03:45 AM

Empty Matchbook: Someone get the Grand ol' Party some aloe vera for that SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!

/soothing


Does it work on butthurt too?
 
2012-07-10 04:16:36 AM

tallguywithglasseson: Links to Fark threads from when he was a 13 year old.13 Year Old "Conservative Republican" Speaks

Jonathan Krohn, the 13-year old who spoke at CPAC calls Barack Obama "The most left-wing president in my lifetime" apparently unaware he is the only left-wing president in his lifetime


2nd to last post on that thread...

A ray of hope.....

I was a LOT like this kid at that age (right down to being a regular caller on a conservative radio show and a youth leader at church.)

I'm happy to say that today I am a liberal agnostic atheist. So, there is hope for the kid as he grows up.


Good call.
 
2012-07-10 04:17:18 PM

BeesNuts: Jim_Callahan: BeesNuts:
I guess they just invited him to speak at CPAC because they weren't able to fill all the time slots?

More or less, yes. Then the media went into "fluffy human interest story" mode and he ended up spread around a bit.

People care about what he has to say about as much as they care about the star wars kid's fencing technique. Conventions are not really the srs bzns they're made out to be, they're like 90% social occasions, 8% victory lap for recent political victories, and 2% actually talking policy.

Him popping back up now is, to extend the analogy a bit, equivalent to the month or so of random follow-up where we learned that the Star Wars Kid grew up to be a lawyer. Kind of interesting in a fuzzy-human-interest-story way, but not something to actually be cared about.

Star Wars Kid didn't have Newt Gingrich say he was "Sure to be a leader of his generation's return to conservatism the dark side."

Star Wars Kid wasn't also given subsequent speaking engagements for the following year and a half at TEA Party Rallies Wookie-Cons across the country.

Star Wars Kid didn't make the rounds to be interviewed by Niel Cavuto, Bill Bennet, Mark Levin or Rush Limbaugh. He didn't get to make live appearances on ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox, and Syndicated Radio.

I don't get it. Why reinvent this episode of history? Fully *half* of the kids life since 2009 has been consumed by peddling the stuff he was selling at CPAC. The remaining 2 appear to have been spent being a somewhat normal kid. Good for him. Regardless of what he believes today, good for him.

I didn't like the cynical way he was "used" 4 years ago, and hopefully this doesn't signify some kind of re-entry into the arena unless he himself wills it.


Star Wars kid is also a museum curator, not a lawyer. A French-speaking curator of a museum dedicated to a battle where America was defeated. Your argument is invalid.

Citation
 
2012-07-10 05:04:08 PM

clovis69: I'm a Republican, I'm not a social conservative.

I'll keep registering Republican and voting in the primaries, local and general elections because I was here before the social conservative morons started registering Republican and I'll be here after they leave.

Fark the social conservatives and the unions.


...I really don't care what you register, but are you trying to say that you vote for people whose stated goals are usually some form of racism, sexism, or homophobia, because they used to be better?
 
2012-07-11 05:53:31 PM

Surool: Empty Matchbook: Someone get the Grand ol' Party some aloe vera for that SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!

/soothing

Does it work on butthurt too?


It does! And if you act now, you'll receive TWO bottles of Conservative Tears. Conservative Tears, the taste YOU'VE been waiting for.
 
2012-07-11 07:29:45 PM

Empty Matchbook: Surool: Empty Matchbook: Someone get the Grand ol' Party some aloe vera for that SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!

/soothing

Does it work on butthurt too?

It does! And if you act now, you'll receive TWO bottles of Conservative Tears. Conservative Tears, the taste YOU'VE been waiting for.


Conservative tears are almost worthless because they are so common and they've been flowing since November 2008.
 
2012-07-11 08:18:43 PM

Surool: Empty Matchbook: Surool: Empty Matchbook: Someone get the Grand ol' Party some aloe vera for that SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICK BUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUURN!!!

/soothing

Does it work on butthurt too?

It does! And if you act now, you'll receive TWO bottles of Conservative Tears. Conservative Tears, the taste YOU'VE been waiting for.

Conservative tears are almost worthless because they are so common and they've been flowing since November 2008.


That's why it's two bottles...
 
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