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2012-07-08 04:49:10 PM  

we should not give money to "these people"

i47.tinypic.com

 
2012-07-08 05:56:51 PM  
John Stossel admits that he has lived his whole life on handouts.

Tells others not to accept those evil, scumy handouts!

Can someone make that one of those meme things?
 
2012-07-08 06:28:37 PM  
He's right, but he's a tool.
 
2012-07-08 09:43:37 PM  
Did he do anything that was actually compassionate? Like advise people hand out sandwiches instead?

"To be fair, it's wealthy people who do most of the freeloading: corporate welfare, farm subsidies..."

And FOX will be secret-camera-exposing these guys...when?

Or does just saying "To be fair" make you "Fair and BalancedTM"?
 
2012-07-08 09:43:48 PM  
It's the wealthy that do most of the freeloading, so don't give anything to beggars on the street. And now a word from our sponsors.
 
2012-07-08 09:46:26 PM  
I want to hear his alternative. Seriously, I'm sick to death of all these so called "Libertarians" saying that the current solution isn't working, but offering no alternative. Just like the "Repeal and Replace Obamacare" crap. Replace it with what?

It seems to me that homeless people asking for money is the ultimate Libertarian thing. No one has to give them money! You're not being forced by the government to subsidize the homeless! If you want to give, give! If you don't, don't!

Personally, I think a huge percentage of the homeless problem would be solved by offering more free education to people before they ever find themselves in the situation, and by offering low-wage jobs with dormitory-style living for those already in it. More freely available mental health treatment wouldn't hurt, either.
 
2012-07-08 09:48:55 PM  
"And you shouldn't give to these street people," Stossel advised. "You're really supporting alcoholism and drug problems."

obviously, the solution is more tax cuts for the rich.
 
2012-07-08 09:52:41 PM  
Oh yeah, Rent-A-Center Geraldo. I haven't heard of him in a long time.
 
2012-07-08 09:59:46 PM  

ox45tallboy:

Personally, I think a huge percentage of the homeless problem would be solved by offering more free education to people before they ever find themselves in the situation, and by offering low-wage jobs with dormitory-style living for those already in it. More freely available mental health treatment wouldn't hurt, either.


we should also stop treating addiction as a 'moral failure'. Science proves that addiction can actually rewire your brain - physically and biochemically speaking, it makes you into another person. Morality has nothing to do with it, nor does willpower. some drugs (opiates and certain other 'designer' drugs) create an addiction so powerful that it is almost impossible to get off those drugs without help.

And yet...the standard conservative view is that drug addicts are weak. if we shame them into it, they'll 'get better' all on their own. Rush Limbaugh didn't 'get better' all on his own. he didn't even THINK about confronting his addiction until he got caught. if Rush Limbaugh couldn't kick drugs without help, then how can anyone else have a hope to do so?
 
2012-07-08 10:05:12 PM  
"I collected federal flood insurance because I had a beach house...
And you shouldn't give to these street people," Stossel advised. "You're really supporting alcoholism and drug problems."


This guy needs to lose that job of his. I don't see him lasting long in reality.
 
2012-07-08 10:06:24 PM  
"And you shouldn't give to these street people," Stossel advised. "You're really supporting alcoholism and drug problems."

So, you would of course like to see national drug treatment centers? Oh right, you want people to end up in the gutter dying.
 
2012-07-08 10:07:38 PM  

TsarTom: "I collected federal flood insurance because I had a beach house...
And you shouldn't give to these street people," Stossel advised. "You're really supporting alcoholism and drug problems."

This guy needs to lose that job of his. I don't see him lasting long in reality.


That's why he's on FOX
 
2012-07-08 10:08:08 PM  

GAT_00: "And you shouldn't give to these street people," Stossel advised. "You're really supporting alcoholism and drug problems."

So, you would of course like to see national drug treatment centers? Oh right, you want people to end up in the gutter dying.


well it's what conservative jesus would have wanted.
 
2012-07-08 10:11:27 PM  

Weaver95: GAT_00: "And you shouldn't give to these street people," Stossel advised. "You're really supporting alcoholism and drug problems."

So, you would of course like to see national drug treatment centers? Oh right, you want people to end up in the gutter dying.

well it's what conservative jesus would have wanted.


Jesus helps those who walk up to Jesus.
 
2012-07-08 10:15:34 PM  
Shun those that hunger and asketh for change, and to those who oppose the least among you, giveth generiously to their SuperPACs
~Conservative Jesus

Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
~Some dirty libtard hippy communist
 
2012-07-08 10:17:41 PM  

Weaver95: "And you shouldn't give to these street people," Stossel advised. "You're really supporting alcoholism and drug problems."

obviously, the solution is more tax cuts for the rich.


Amazingly enough, you're supporting the same when you give money to rich people.
 
2012-07-08 10:20:32 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00: "And you shouldn't give to these street people," Stossel advised. "You're really supporting alcoholism and drug problems."

So, you would of course like to see national drug treatment centers? Oh right, you want people to end up in the gutter dying.

well it's what conservative jesus would have wanted.

Jesus helps those who walk up to Jesus.


It just gets tiresome though. it's always the same pattern: conservatives slam addicts for being weak and immoral, refuse to help them out in any way, then get mysteriously quiet and disappear when Rush Limbaugh and his addiction problem(s) crop up in conversation. Even Rush f*cking Limbaugh couldn't beat that addiction without help. He was sucking down so much oxycotin that he burned out his hearing....if we want to make a dent in our drug problems in this country, we NEED to help addicts break the cycle of addiction. Good luck getting the GOP to do the right thing though.
 
2012-07-08 10:22:18 PM  

Weaver95: Even Rush f*cking Limbaugh couldn't beat that addiction without help


Why are you talking about old shiat?
 
2012-07-08 10:28:12 PM  
My mother-in-law is homeless. There is no way my wife will ever help her mother -- the woman is lazy and twisted. I'll never give money to the homeless, but I'll offer to buy food.
 
2012-07-08 10:31:57 PM  
one month to the first liter who shows up here.
 
2012-07-08 10:35:28 PM  

Mugato: Weaver95: Even Rush f*cking Limbaugh couldn't beat that addiction without help

Why are you talking about old shiat?


did we win the war on drugs when I wasn't looking? far as I know, its still going on.
 
2012-07-08 10:39:42 PM  
Give to him that asketh thee, and from him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away.
~Some dirty libtard hippy communist

That long-haired, street-dwelling, prostitute-defending, leper-healing hippie dude also said this:

"For the poor shall never cease out of the land: therefore I command thee, saying, Thou shalt open thine hand wide unto thy brother, to thy poor, and to thy needy, in thy land."

If he showed up today, Faux News would host a rally to crucify him.
 
2012-07-08 10:40:32 PM  
Time to pull this one out again

"What signifies, says some one, giving halfpence to beggars? they only lay it out in gin or tobacco. "And why should they be denied such sweeteners of their existence (says Johnson)? it is surely very savage to refuse them every possible avenue to pleasure, reckoned too coarse for our own acceptance. Life is a pill which none of us can bear to swallow without gilding; yet for the poor we delight in stripping it still barer, and are not ashamed to shew even visible displeasure, if ever the bitter taste is taken from their mouths.""
 
2012-07-08 10:41:35 PM  

Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00: "And you shouldn't give to these street people," Stossel advised. "You're really supporting alcoholism and drug problems."

So, you would of course like to see national drug treatment centers? Oh right, you want people to end up in the gutter dying.

well it's what conservative jesus would have wanted.

Jesus helps those who walk up to Jesus.

It just gets tiresome though. it's always the same pattern: conservatives slam addicts for being weak and immoral, refuse to help them out in any way, then get mysteriously quiet and disappear when Rush Limbaugh and his addiction problem(s) crop up in conversation. Even Rush f*cking Limbaugh couldn't beat that addiction without help. He was sucking down so much oxycotin that he burned out his hearing....if we want to make a dent in our drug problems in this country, we NEED to help addicts break the cycle of addiction. Good luck getting the GOP to do the right thing though.


Here's the thing: I f*cking hate junkies. I despise the sick and the want and the need and the lying and all the rest. I despise junkies and everything that they represent.

That is why I have had folks in my home who wanted to kick the habit. That is why I will drive someone to the hospital and advise the sucker to sign the waiver to commit themselves. That is why I will empty the damn bucket and keep towels and blankets on hand, and have soup and whatever else they need, because at the end of the tunnel, is an ex-junkie.

I hate junkies, but some of my best friends are ex-addicts, and those people, I love dearly.

We want to see more ex-addicts, we need to get folks the help they need, and we need to be involved and active in lending a hand.
 
2012-07-08 10:42:52 PM  
John Stossel is a butt weasel.
 
2012-07-08 10:43:03 PM  

Weaver95: Mugato: Weaver95: Even Rush f*cking Limbaugh couldn't beat that addiction without help

Why are you talking about old shiat?

did we win the war on drugs when I wasn't looking? far as I know, its still going on.


I was joking.
 
2012-07-08 10:44:53 PM  
I heard Stossel on a lengthy NPR program a few months ago and I thought, damn I like this guy. And then I came on fark and clicked a WND link and saw that he writes shiat over there and I was also reminded of his pedostache when I saw his mug.
 
2012-07-08 10:45:04 PM  

hubiestubert:

We want to see more ex-addicts, we need to get folks the help they need, and we need to be involved and active in lending a hand.


not the GOP. they want to just ignore the problem and hope the addicts and homeless just vanish.
 
2012-07-08 10:45:27 PM  
People have needs, a lot of people have a need to give.

Sounds like win/win to me.
 
2012-07-08 10:46:40 PM  

Guidette Frankentits: John Stossel is a butt weasel.


And a dick freckle.
 
2012-07-08 10:53:16 PM  

hubiestubert: We want to see more ex-addicts, we need to get folks the help they need, and we need to be involved and active in lending a hand.


Yeah, but that doesn't fall anywhere within the Prosperity Gospel, or Conservative ideas, for one simple reason: there's no direct profit in it. It's an obvious waste of money. It's helping people who are commonly poor and downtrodden, who can't pay for it, and have little direct contribution to society. Sure they form the backbone, but there's lots of them, and they aren't a very good backbone strung out like that. So who cares what happens to them?

And it sure isn't small government. A government entity that is guaranteed to only lose money, help the poor, and has no way of showing a profit? Plus it's government health care spending? They'd loathe it. In no version of fiscal conservatism, no matter which real or not so real version you favor, it's an easy cut. It is the very definition of bad spending. Any conservative of any color should demand it be trashed.

So of course it's gone. You know how these people get clean, the only real way they do in large numbers? Junkies eventually commit crimes. When they do, they get thrown in jail and usually dry out, unless they find a source in jail. It's the same way mentally damaged people get help: jail. We made jail our health system. How farked up is that?

Of course, you could tell these "fiscal geniuses" that if you get them before they commit crimes not only is it cheaper than a long jail sentence, but it's safer for everyone because you have to commit a crime to get thrown in jail, and it prevents the permanent income damage that jail is. Nobody hires criminals except minimum wages places, which encourages further crime and further spending, which could be stopped.

So treating people is fiscally conservative. But fiscal conservatives seem completely incapable of processing consequences and particularly consequences of consequences. Actions have a chain of reactions. But these people can't think that far down.

So of course we don't help junkies. Sure, the rich get help, that's the Conservative way. Churches might help a few. The rest? fark 'em.

It's the religious way.
 
2012-07-08 10:54:08 PM  

Weaver95: hubiestubert:

We want to see more ex-addicts, we need to get folks the help they need, and we need to be involved and active in lending a hand.

not the GOP. they want to just ignore the problem and hope the addicts and homeless just vanish.


When I was in high school, in Texas, there was a local businessman who ponied up a sizable scholarship every year for underprivileged youth. The award went to African American students without fail. The gentleman who awarded this scholarship was an avowed racist. He hated n*ggers. He was not bashful in this. He stated it early, often, and his entire purpose in awarding this scholarship was so that black kids would avoid becoming shiftless layabouts who would suck at the teat of the state, and turn to drugs, crime, and birthing a dozen babies before their 30s. His motives and his beliefs were maybe extreme, but he realized that education and opportunity were the only way to avoid the folks he REALLY hated from mucking up the place. He was a horrible old man, and hateful and spiteful, but he did what he could to avoid perpetuating a cycle that led to poverty and being chained within their own communities with spiraling downward opportunities.
 
2012-07-08 10:58:47 PM  

GAT_00: hubiestubert: We want to see more ex-addicts, we need to get folks the help they need, and we need to be involved and active in lending a hand.

Yeah, but that doesn't fall anywhere within the Prosperity Gospel, or Conservative ideas, for one simple reason: there's no direct profit in it. It's an obvious waste of money. It's helping people who are commonly poor and downtrodden, who can't pay for it, and have little direct contribution to society. Sure they form the backbone, but there's lots of them, and they aren't a very good backbone strung out like that. So who cares what happens to them?.


that's...not exactly on point. the GOP view (and the prosperity gospel) is that if you are poor or an addict, then it's because god WANTED you to be poor or an addict. so really, in order to be a good Republican conservative you can't help the poor or sick or addicted, because you'd be going against the wishes of god.

it's a f*cked up philosophy, but you have to understand that while the end goal for the prosperity gospel folks is to be rich, you have to understand how their self justifications work or you'll miss the more subtle aspects of what they're doing.
 
2012-07-08 11:00:30 PM  

Weaver95: the GOP view (and the prosperity gospel) is that if you are poor or an addict, then it's because god WANTED you to be poor or an addict.


These people aren't Calvinists.
 
2012-07-08 11:01:23 PM  

Weaver95: then it's because god WANTED you to be poor or an addict. s


A couple weeks back on Facebook there was someone who actually said that if you're poor you just need to pray and God will fix it. That was the closest I've ever come to drinking at 9 AM.
 
2012-07-08 11:01:41 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: the GOP view (and the prosperity gospel) is that if you are poor or an addict, then it's because god WANTED you to be poor or an addict.

These people aren't Calvinists.


not directly...but there is a LOT of Calvinist philosophy behind the prosperty gospel.
 
2012-07-08 11:03:37 PM  

Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: the GOP view (and the prosperity gospel) is that if you are poor or an addict, then it's because god WANTED you to be poor or an addict.

These people aren't Calvinists.

not directly...but there is a LOT of Calvinist philosophy behind the prosperty gospel.


I've never seen anything that smacked of Calvinism. They think you should pray to succeed and if you didn't succeed it is for a reason besides the world doesn't allow it, but they think everyone can somehow pull themselves up if they try.
 
2012-07-08 11:03:37 PM  

Weaver95: GAT_00: hubiestubert: We want to see more ex-addicts, we need to get folks the help they need, and we need to be involved and active in lending a hand.

Yeah, but that doesn't fall anywhere within the Prosperity Gospel, or Conservative ideas, for one simple reason: there's no direct profit in it. It's an obvious waste of money. It's helping people who are commonly poor and downtrodden, who can't pay for it, and have little direct contribution to society. Sure they form the backbone, but there's lots of them, and they aren't a very good backbone strung out like that. So who cares what happens to them?.

that's...not exactly on point. the GOP view (and the prosperity gospel) is that if you are poor or an addict, then it's because god WANTED you to be poor or an addict. so really, in order to be a good Republican conservative you can't help the poor or sick or addicted, because you'd be going against the wishes of god.

it's a f*cked up philosophy, but you have to understand that while the end goal for the prosperity gospel folks is to be rich, you have to understand how their self justifications work or you'll miss the more subtle aspects of what they're doing.


There is a similar theme in China, and India, and Japan. People are poor or crazy or have disasters occur, because of their karma. Charity towards those who are reaping their karmic reward is to go against the Mandate of Heaven, and no one wants that, right?

Yeah. It's just as disgusting as the Prosperity Gospel here, and rooted in pretty much the same desire to have a justification for being a selfish asshat...

Here, you get the same thing, doubled up not just from the Prosperity Gospel folks, but the Objectivist worshipers as well...
 
2012-07-08 11:05:59 PM  

GAT_00: Weaver95: GAT_00: Weaver95: the GOP view (and the prosperity gospel) is that if you are poor or an addict, then it's because god WANTED you to be poor or an addict.

These people aren't Calvinists.

not directly...but there is a LOT of Calvinist philosophy behind the prosperty gospel.

I've never seen anything that smacked of Calvinism. They think you should pray to succeed and if you didn't succeed it is for a reason besides the world doesn't allow it, but they think everyone can somehow pull themselves up if they try.


It's a sort of NeoCalvinism. It's spun around a bit, but in the end, it's ordained that you get the goodies. It's God rewarding you, and likewise, God punishing you if you don't get the goodies and you should appreciate what scraps you get...
 
2012-07-08 11:08:42 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Weaver95: then it's because god WANTED you to be poor or an addict. s

A couple weeks back on Facebook there was someone who actually said that if you're poor you just need to pray and God will fix it. That was the closest I've ever come to drinking at 9 AM.


I've read a LOT about the prosperity gospel. it's an interesting distillation of a couple of heresies. it's individual components aren't new, nor is the overall message (i.e. god wants you to be rich, only the chosen of god deserve riches) but the way it's been marketed in this country has never happened before.
 
2012-07-08 11:09:24 PM  

GAT_00:

I've never seen anything that smacked of Calvinism. They think you should pray to succeed and if you didn't succeed it is for a reason besides the world doesn't allow it, but they think everyone can somehow pull themselves up if they try.


oh its there if you look.
 
2012-07-08 11:11:53 PM  
i'd be more likely to give a buck to a homeless guy asking for beer. at least he's honest about his issues.
 
2012-07-08 11:11:58 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Did he do anything that was actually compassionate? Like advise people hand out sandwiches instead?

"To be fair, it's wealthy people who do most of the freeloading: corporate welfare, farm subsidies..."

And FOX will be secret-camera-exposing these guys...when?


When they start backing liberal causes, of course!
 
2012-07-08 11:14:01 PM  

tlchwi02: i'd be more likely to give a buck to a homeless guy asking for beer. at least he's honest about his issues.


The United Negro Beer and Pizza Fund always gets me
 
2012-07-08 11:14:19 PM  
Compassionate is a noun as well as an adjective? I had no idea.
 
2012-07-08 11:14:23 PM  

Weaver95: WhyteRaven74: Weaver95: then it's because god WANTED you to be poor or an addict. s

A couple weeks back on Facebook there was someone who actually said that if you're poor you just need to pray and God will fix it. That was the closest I've ever come to drinking at 9 AM.

I've read a LOT about the prosperity gospel. it's an interesting distillation of a couple of heresies. it's individual components aren't new, nor is the overall message (i.e. god wants you to be rich, only the chosen of god deserve riches) but the way it's been marketed in this country has never happened before.


In fairness, there have never been the tools to spread the message as far, wide, and with the same precision and coverage. It is similar snake oil that has been done for a lot of years, but now it's got the tools to keep the marks on the hook like never before.
 
2012-07-08 11:14:42 PM  
The only homeless people I give money to are the ones that tell me up front they are spending it on beer or drugs.
 
2012-07-08 11:15:05 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Did he do anything that was actually compassionate? Like advise people hand out sandwiches instead?


"Here you go, sir! Here's a nice sandwich for you!" (turns, walks away)
(throws sandwich at girl, hitting girl and bouncing off back of her neck)
"I said a dollar, b*tch!"

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//if you see bobby tell him i love him
///ok if i see bobby i'll tell him i love him
 
2012-07-08 11:15:10 PM  

ox45tallboy: I want to hear his alternative. Seriously, I'm sick to death of all these so called "Libertarians" saying that the current solution isn't working, but offering no alternative. Just like the "Repeal and Replace Obamacare" crap. Replace it with what?

It seems to me that homeless people asking for money is the ultimate Libertarian thing. No one has to give them money! You're not being forced by the government to subsidize the homeless! If you want to give, give! If you don't, don't!

Personally, I think a huge percentage of the homeless problem would be solved by offering more free education to people before they ever find themselves in the situation, and by offering low-wage jobs with dormitory-style living for those already in it. More freely available mental health treatment wouldn't hurt, either.


tax cuts. that's their answer.
 
2012-07-08 11:15:10 PM  

WhyteRaven74: Time to pull this one out again

"What signifies, says some one, giving halfpence to beggars? they only lay it out in gin or tobacco. "And why should they be denied such sweeteners of their existence (says Johnson)? it is surely very savage to refuse them every possible avenue to pleasure, reckoned too coarse for our own acceptance. Life is a pill which none of us can bear to swallow without gilding; yet for the poor we delight in stripping it still barer, and are not ashamed to shew even visible displeasure, if ever the bitter taste is taken from their mouths.""


I love that - source?
 
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