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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Chicago's hierarchical street gang structure has broken down into chaos, with small factions of freelancing gangsters driving up murder rate. Police have no GD idea what's going on   (suntimes.com) divider line 184
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2012-07-08 04:07:08 PM
Do you that this might have something of the shutting down of the gang units?

Darn bu chicago screwed up on this one.
 
2012-07-08 04:11:58 PM
I see what you did there, subby.
 
2012-07-08 04:17:10 PM
It's funny . . . but . . . I have the Ke$ha song going through my head:

There's a place downtown,
Where the freaks all come around.
It's a hole in the wall.
It's a dirty free for all
 
2012-07-08 04:34:12 PM
They clearly need to band together and stop fighting over their little pieces of turf:
i180.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-08 04:55:36 PM

robmilmel: They clearly need to band together and stop fighting over their little pieces of turf:
[i180.photobucket.com image 600x450]


Warriors, come out and play!
 
2012-07-08 06:54:33 PM
Those gangstas need a document that lays outs their organization. It should spell out some sort of representative political process, and maybe a court of review so the big shots don't get too far out of hand. There might be some sort of executive board to handle daily business. A better-organized and more equitable enforcement function might help, too. The various gangs should send representatives to the big meeting so everyone feels like he has at least been represented. Maybe hold elections, too.
 
2012-07-08 10:03:14 PM
It's my kind of town.
 
2012-07-08 10:04:05 PM

This About That: Those gangstas need a document that lays outs their organization. It should spell out some sort of representative political process, and maybe a court of review so the big shots don't get too far out of hand. There might be some sort of executive board to handle daily business. A better-organized and more equitable enforcement function might help, too. The various gangs should send representatives to the big meeting so everyone feels like he has at least been represented. Maybe hold elections, too.


I've got a proposition for you...
 
2012-07-08 10:04:16 PM
not a repeat of a prior era?
 
2012-07-08 10:05:44 PM
I say start giving out more ammo and guns on the street corners, the problem will solve itself.
 
2012-07-08 10:05:47 PM
Can you dig it!?
 
2012-07-08 10:06:02 PM
if they keep killing each other, shouldn't the problem eventually self-correct?
 
2012-07-08 10:06:19 PM
Can you dig it?
 
2012-07-08 10:07:02 PM
Darn you, shotglasss. Darn you to heck!
 
2012-07-08 10:07:56 PM

robmilmel: They clearly need to band together and stop fighting over their little pieces of turf:
[i180.photobucket.com image 600x450]


I can dig it. Can you dig it?
 
2012-07-08 10:09:20 PM
I blame the weakened Italian mafia for the upsurge in Black and Latino gangs, and I blame the FBI for weakening the Mafia which has, in turn, led to the current wave of violence.
 
2012-07-08 10:10:23 PM
gd_info
 
2012-07-08 10:11:00 PM

This About That: Those gangstas need a document that lays outs their organization. It should spell out some sort of representative political process, and maybe a court of review so the big shots don't get too far out of hand. There might be some sort of executive board to handle daily business. A better-organized and more equitable enforcement function might help, too. The various gangs should send representatives to the big meeting so everyone feels like he has at least been represented. Maybe hold elections, too.


I don't think the police will like the competition.
 
2012-07-08 10:12:41 PM
Just wall off the whole damn city and let them all kill each other off. And if that takes too long...

You clandestinely let one of the gangs buy or steal a nuclear bomb and transport it into the middle of the city, then send in your best agent to "defuse" it.

kpbs.media.clients.ellingtoncms.com
 
2012-07-08 10:14:03 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Darn you, shotglasss. Darn you to heck!


Darn, it you'da just been a bit quicker....
 
2012-07-08 10:15:45 PM
This happened in Milwaukee, the larger gangs "devolved" into small crews that are responsible for mini crime waves. These small crews are much harder to combat than a larger gang with an identifiable structure.
 
2012-07-08 10:15:47 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Can you dig it?


CAN YOU DIG IIIIIIIIT!!!!
www.gregwilson.co.uk
 
2012-07-08 10:15:58 PM
F*ck you ,Archie.Just for that your not in the gang anymore
 
2012-07-08 10:16:00 PM

This About That: Those gangstas need a document that lays outs their organization. It should spell out some sort of representative political process, and maybe a court of review so the big shots don't get too far out of hand. There might be some sort of executive board to handle daily business. A better-organized and more equitable enforcement function might help, too. The various gangs should send representatives to the big meeting so everyone feels like he has at least been represented. Maybe hold elections, too.


This is assuming that a single one of those gangsters has an idea on how to run a successive long term criminal organization. Everything i have seen or heard about gangs makes them nothing more than dumb kids who think they matter and kill other dumb kids for pointless reasons all while being used by organized criminal organizations such as the mob be it the Mexican, Italian, Jewish or whatever.
 
Ehh
2012-07-08 10:16:03 PM
This About That: Those gangstas need a document that lays outs their organization. It should spell out some sort of representative political process, and maybe a court of review so the big shots don't get too far out of hand. There might be some sort of executive board to handle daily business. A better-organized and more equitable enforcement function might help, too. The various gangs should send representatives to the big meeting so everyone feels like he has at least been represented. Maybe hold elections, too.

And we're done here.

Also
 
2012-07-08 10:16:04 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I blame the weakened Italian mafia for the upsurge in Black and Latino gangs, and I blame the FBI for weakening the Mafia which has, in turn, led to the current wave of violence.


This is obviously a plot by Eric Holder to pass draconian gun control laws.
 
BBH
2012-07-08 10:16:14 PM
The Chicago cops did a great job taking out the previous leaders, now all the "bangers" are trying to get all they can. Too bad we cannot teach them how to shoot more accurately, they will take each other out without killing innocent bystanders.
 
2012-07-08 10:16:46 PM
 
2012-07-08 10:16:55 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I blame the weakened Italian mafia for the upsurge in Black and Latino gangs, and I blame the FBI for weakening the Mafia which has, in turn, led to the current wave of violence.


So, you wont blame the people who do the actual shooting?
 
2012-07-08 10:17:27 PM

animesucks: if they keep killing each other, shouldn't the problem eventually self-correct?


Since this would be happening in the United States, the term is not "collateral damage."

/It's innocent bystanders, Trolly Trolling McTroll.
//Back under the bridge with ye.
 
2012-07-08 10:18:59 PM
What are they using to kill people with? Handguns are illegal in Chicago.
 
2012-07-08 10:20:43 PM

MikeMc: This happened in Milwaukee, the larger gangs "devolved" into small crews that are responsible for mini crime waves. These small crews are much harder to combat than a larger gang with an identifiable structure.


Are you trying to tell me that cops in Milwaukee are too fat, lazy, and stupid to get out of the car and ask questions?

/Because I'd believe you.
 
2012-07-08 10:20:51 PM

uber humper: AverageAmericanGuy: I blame the weakened Italian mafia for the upsurge in Black and Latino gangs, and I blame the FBI for weakening the Mafia which has, in turn, led to the current wave of violence.

So, you wont blame the people who do the actual shooting?


No more than I can blame the warlords in Africa for trying to establish order after the raping their lands suffered at the hands of the Europeans.
 
2012-07-08 10:20:59 PM

Mad_Radhu: AverageAmericanGuy: I blame the weakened Italian mafia for the upsurge in Black and Latino gangs, and I blame the FBI for weakening the Mafia which has, in turn, led to the current wave of violence.

This is obviously a plot by Eric Holder to pass draconian gun control laws.


Eric Holder don't care about bown people.
 
2012-07-08 10:21:12 PM

handparty: What are they using to kill people with? Handguns are illegal in Chicago.


i2.crtcdn1.net
 
2012-07-08 10:21:47 PM
They all like to suck eachother's butts. Then they get embarrassed and kill whoever sees them buttsucking.
 
2012-07-08 10:22:23 PM

Thisbymaster: I say start giving out more ammo and guns on the street corners, the problem will solve itself.


Because:

(1) not one civilian has ever been killed when gangs fight, since bullets fired rfrom the guns of gangsters cannot touch the flesh of not gangsters

(2) as these things play out, everyone fights until a single gangster is standing

(3) lesser gangs/gangsters never glom onto the trending winner, thus making the surviving gang bigger and more expansive

(4) the winners of these little wars have never then used the more open ecosystem to become an even greater threat
 
2012-07-08 10:22:35 PM

handparty: What are they using to kill people with? Handguns are illegal in Chicago.


These

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-07-08 10:23:04 PM

animesucks: if they keep killing each other, shouldn't the problem eventually self-correct?


I'm thinking THIS.

Tell the non-gang-members ("citizens", "victims", whatever term you choose to apply) to move the hell out. Pull back the police and set up stronger patrols to make sure the bangers stay in banger territory, but don't bother going into banger territory.

It's what the gangs want. It's what the citizens want. Everybody wins! (And later, after the gangs murder themselves, everybody wins again.)
 
2012-07-08 10:23:22 PM

Nezorf: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Can you dig it?

CAN YOU DIG IIIIIIIIT!!!!
[www.gregwilson.co.uk image 393x344]


I can dig it - goddammit so much - now I'm gonna have to watch this tonight - I have the DVD - one of my favorite movies when I was growing up.

You Warriors are good - real good.
 
2012-07-08 10:25:11 PM
Legalize drugs and this and this all goes away.
 
2012-07-08 10:25:29 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: uber humper: AverageAmericanGuy: I blame the weakened Italian mafia for the upsurge in Black and Latino gangs, and I blame the FBI for weakening the Mafia which has, in turn, led to the current wave of violence.

So, you wont blame the people who do the actual shooting?

No more than I can blame the warlords in Africa for trying to establish order after the raping their lands suffered at the hands of the Europeans.


Comedy gold.

And I figured you had no sense of humor.
 
2012-07-08 10:25:48 PM
They really ought to crackdown on this sort of thing.
www.blogcdn.com
 
2012-07-08 10:27:41 PM

Solid Muldoon: Legalize drugs and this and this all goes away.


In exactly the same way that ending the Prohibition eliminated the Mafia.
 
2012-07-08 10:29:28 PM
It's scary that Chicago (or any city) would have an ongoing daily need for lab ballistic results.
 
2012-07-08 10:29:47 PM
But socialism!?
 
2012-07-08 10:31:22 PM

W.C.fields forever: F*ck you ,Archie.Just for that your not in the gang anymore


Beautiful evening. You can almost see the stars.
 
2012-07-08 10:32:19 PM
Simple: we just reach the point where there are more gangs than gang members. Then by the pigeonhole principle, at least one gang member has to shoot himself to settle a score.

Keep this up for a few years and the problem goes away.
 
2012-07-08 10:32:47 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: MikeMc: This happened in Milwaukee, the larger gangs "devolved" into small crews that are responsible for mini crime waves. These small crews are much harder to combat than a larger gang with an identifiable structure.

Are you trying to tell me that cops in Milwaukee are too fat, lazy, and stupid to get out of the car and ask questions?

/Because I'd believe you.


From around here are ya?
 
2012-07-08 10:33:16 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Solid Muldoon: Legalize drugs and this and this all goes away.

In exactly the same way that ending the Prohibition eliminated the Mafia.


Yea, goes away...

"Aw shucks. The gig is up, no more drug dealing for us anymore -- time to get a job"
 
2012-07-08 10:36:55 PM
What they need is a good community organizer.
 
2012-07-08 10:37:30 PM

MikeMc: demaL-demaL-yeH: MikeMc: This happened in Milwaukee, the larger gangs "devolved" into small crews that are responsible for mini crime waves. These small crews are much harder to combat than a larger gang with an identifiable structure.

Are you trying to tell me that cops in Milwaukee are too fat, lazy, and stupid to get out of the car and ask questions?

/Because I'd believe you.

From around here are ya?


"Another slice of cheddar on your deep-dish apple pie, officer?"
 
2012-07-08 10:37:35 PM
$50 bounty on the gang tattoo. You can bring in the whole body or any part of it as long as the tattoo is identifiable. There will be no penalty for whatever it took to get the tattoo as long as nobody innocent or property by a party other than the gangs was damaged. There will be an additional $25 if the bounty is collected by a homeless vet.

The free market will solve this problem.
 
2012-07-08 10:37:59 PM
My fiance' and I are going to Chicago for our honeymoon. We had already made the plans before this craziness started (he is originally from Chicago). We plan on staying in the suburbs and sticking to tourist spots and nice restaurants.

/kinda nervous
//Will not be carrying my purse
///just saying
 
2012-07-08 10:38:43 PM
This is actually part result of a law enforcement "success". They managed to put away a lot of the higher ups in the bigger gangs. Hoover, the "King" of the GDs is now incommunicado in prison. They tore down/removed Robert Taylor Homes and Cabrini Green, causing a spread of the original GD into new areas as the gang members had to move. Apparently the leader of the Latin Kings got 60 years a few months ago.

Without strong leadership, the gangs have had to move out and are splintering. It's not a good thing at all, and brings more turmoil to the streets while this whole thing shakes out.

What to do? No idea!! But it's not a surprise at all, given the recent history of the Chicago gangs. Maybe it will sort itself out, or maybe they will kill each other off until there are just a few strong men standing.
 
2012-07-08 10:44:37 PM

over_and_done: animesucks: if they keep killing each other, shouldn't the problem eventually self-correct?

I'm thinking THIS.

Tell the non-gang-members ("citizens", "victims", whatever term you choose to apply) to move the hell out. Pull back the police and set up stronger patrols to make sure the bangers stay in banger territory, but don't bother going into banger territory.

It's what the gangs want. It's what the citizens want. Everybody wins! (And later, after the gangs murder themselves, everybody wins again.)


I think that idea won an emmy.

geektyrant.com1
 
2012-07-08 10:44:56 PM

Happy Hours: Nezorf: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Can you dig it?

CAN YOU DIG IIIIIIIIT!!!!
[www.gregwilson.co.uk image 393x344]

I can dig it - goddammit so much - now I'm gonna have to watch this tonight - I have the DVD - one of my favorite movies when I was growing up.

You Warriors are good - real good.


Which movie? I am not familiar with that screen shot
 
2012-07-08 10:45:36 PM

FloydA: W.C.fields forever: F*ck you ,Archie.Just for that your not in the gang anymore

Beautiful evening. You can almost see the stars.


/It happens sometimes.People explode.Natural causes.

//Whats in the trunk?
 
2012-07-08 10:46:20 PM

BBH: The Chicago cops did a great job taking out the previous leaders, now all the "bangers" are trying to get all they can. Too bad we cannot teach them how to shoot more accurately, they will take each other out without killing innocent bystanders.


That about sums it up. My wife works with a lot of the "older" gang members (30-50) on occasion. The kids have taken over, and most of the old guard wants nothing to do with them. Words used to describe the younger generation have ranged from "Completely insane" to "Zeros respect for anything, including life".

It isn't even about territory anymore. It isn't about drug deals either. Putting a cap in someones ass seems to be the overall goal.
 
2012-07-08 10:46:26 PM

Evil Canadian: This is actually part result of a law enforcement "success". They managed to put away a lot of the higher ups in the bigger gangs. Hoover, the "King" of the GDs is now incommunicado in prison. They tore down/removed Robert Taylor Homes and Cabrini Green, causing a spread of the original GD into new areas as the gang members had to move. Apparently the leader of the Latin Kings got 60 years a few months ago.

Without strong leadership, the gangs have had to move out and are splintering. It's not a good thing at all, and brings more turmoil to the streets while this whole thing shakes out.


Exactly right! We just need to keep hitting them hard and find an alternative for the little fish, like job placement.
 
2012-07-08 10:46:42 PM

robmilmel: They clearly need to band together and stop fighting over their little pieces of turf:
[i180.photobucket.com image 600x450]


I can dig it!
 
2012-07-08 10:46:52 PM
You clandestinely let one of the gangs buy or steal a nuclear bomb and transport it into the middle of the city, then send in your best agent to "defuse" it.

great movie, the sequel was good too
 
2012-07-08 10:47:32 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: MikeMc: This happened in Milwaukee, the larger gangs "devolved" into small crews that are responsible for mini crime waves. These small crews are much harder to combat than a larger gang with an identifiable structure.

Are you trying to tell me that cops in Milwaukee are too fat, lazy, and stupid to get out of the car and ask questions?

/Because I'd believe you.


When I lived in Milwaukee, I encountered two types of cops: one was the cop too lazy to get out of the squad, and the other type stopped giving a fark years ago.
 
2012-07-08 10:48:07 PM
The reality is that the Feds cracking down on the Chicago Outfit left a vacuum and street gangs are filling it. The street gangs are less worried about bad press from shootings and killings than the mob was.
 
2012-07-08 10:49:11 PM

thenewmissus: My fiance' and I are going to Chicago for our honeymoon. We had already made the plans before this craziness started (he is originally from Chicago). We plan on staying in the suburbs and sticking to tourist spots and nice restaurants.

/kinda nervous
//Will not be carrying my purse
///just saying


No reason to be nervous. Don't be afraid to hang out on the North Side. There are rarely drive-by shootings in the normal parts of the city. Just keep your head up, don't look lost and stay alert. Get off Michigan Avenue and enjoy the neighborhoods, they are the best part of Chicago and much more fun than the tourist traps. (If you hit the museums, avoid the Shedd, it is a huge scam.) There is a lot of crime in Chicago, but for the most part it is in places you have no business being.
 
2012-07-08 10:49:12 PM

thenewmissus:
Which movie? I am not familiar with that screen shot


"The Warriors"
 
2012-07-08 10:50:20 PM
As long as the gang bangers stick to killing each other then I dont give a crap. Hopefully they will all kill each other off.
 
2012-07-08 10:50:38 PM

Evil Canadian: They tore down/removed Robert Taylor Homes and Cabrini Green, causing a spread of the original GD into new areas as the gang members had to move.


Cabrini, Robert Taylor, Henry Horner, etc weren't even the worst of them. The ~real~ bad projects are still standing, and got worse as a result.

//Ironically enough a few of them are just blocks from "Nice neighborhoods"
 
2012-07-08 10:50:40 PM
wambu



What they need is a good community organizer.


Maybe they can hang on until January.
 
2012-07-08 10:50:42 PM

thenewmissus: Happy Hours: Nezorf: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Can you dig it?

CAN YOU DIG IIIIIIIIT!!!!
[www.gregwilson.co.uk image 393x344]

I can dig it - goddammit so much - now I'm gonna have to watch this tonight - I have the DVD - one of my favorite movies when I was growing up.

You Warriors are good - real good.

Which movie? I am not familiar with that screen shot


thisdistractedglobe.com

derricklferguson.files.wordpress.com

It's survival in the city
 
2012-07-08 10:50:56 PM
Crack war!

\drtfa
 
2012-07-08 10:51:21 PM
It sounds like what happened to the terror cells falling the assault on al-Qaeda, with no one in charge now there are hundreds of little cells all causing their own trouble.

We could take the same approach here - declare gang members to be terrorists and ship them off to Guantanamo Bay. Selling crack or meth, carrying an unlicensed firearm, shooting at or assaulting someone and you're in a gang neighborhood wearing gang colors or with gang tats then it's off to Gitmo for you, no trial, no slap on the wrist, no muss no fuss.

I suppose there would have to be some mechanism in place to make sure someone didn't get caught up who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, but whatever we've been doing so far doesn't seem to be working.
 
2012-07-08 10:52:06 PM
What we need is for Nova Sicilia to come in and bring a unifying effect to the area. They hold out against the Narcolombians pretty well.
 
2012-07-08 10:53:03 PM

exvaxman: Do you that this might have something of the shutting down of the gang units?

Darn bu chicago screwed up on this one.


LOL
wasnt the gang unit also arrested for corruption? at least the corruption kept the murders down.

ON THE OTHER HAND
can they separate the murders by citizen versus hopper ?
if most of the murders are just hoppers and slingers getting shot, meh.
 
2012-07-08 10:53:23 PM
So Grables Daughter has ramped up her AWing to lethal levels now ?
 
2012-07-08 10:54:02 PM
I'm claiming Baseball Frenzies til this whole thing blows over.
 
2012-07-08 10:55:01 PM
"Gentleman" Jim Marcone will end up on top.
 
2012-07-08 10:55:14 PM

One Bad Apple: So Grables Daughter has ramped up her AWing to lethal levels now ?


Expected this.
Disappointed.
 
2012-07-08 10:55:29 PM
they want a job
 
2012-07-08 10:56:25 PM

animesucks: if they keep killing each other, shouldn't the problem eventually self-correct?


That only works if they kill each other off faster than they make new gang members.
 
2012-07-08 10:56:33 PM

wambu: What they need is a good community organizer.


Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeit
 
2012-07-08 10:58:33 PM
BIG union opportunity if you ask me

/if only chicago had some union organizers
 
2012-07-08 10:59:00 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: No more than I can blame the warlords in Africa for trying to establish order after the raping their lands suffered at the hands of the Europeans.


If the Africans managed to "establish order" after colonialism, why have western countries had to send them hundreds of billions of dollars in aid over the past few decades?

And speaking of establishing order: here's a video of Africans undoing the evils of colonialism. See how much better things are without Whitey?

/of course, if you are merely trolling then by all means carry on, you magnificent bastard
 
2012-07-08 10:59:03 PM
i1189.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-08 10:59:19 PM

Happy Hours: thenewmissus: Happy Hours: Nezorf: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Can you dig it?

CAN YOU DIG IIIIIIIIT!!!!
[www.gregwilson.co.uk image 393x344]

I can dig it - goddammit so much - now I'm gonna have to watch this tonight - I have the DVD - one of my favorite movies when I was growing up.

You Warriors are good - real good.

Which movie? I am not familiar with that screen shot

[thisdistractedglobe.com image 300x430]

[derricklferguson.files.wordpress.com image 640x351]

It's survival in the city


The economy was so bad in New York in the '70s that half the gang bangers couldn't even steal or deal their way into enough money to buy shirts, Bad times, bad times,,,
 
2012-07-08 10:59:40 PM

uber humper: demaL-demaL-yeH: Solid Muldoon: Legalize drugs and this and this all goes away.

In exactly the same way that ending the Prohibition eliminated the Mafia.

Yea, goes away...

"Aw shucks. The gig is up, no more drug dealing for us anymore -- time to get a job"


Except that they didn't really end Prohibition, so much as shift the focus to other recreational drugs.
 
2012-07-08 10:59:49 PM
We need more church youth groups.
 
2012-07-08 11:00:36 PM

Fark Me To Tears: animesucks: if they keep killing each other, shouldn't the problem eventually self-correct?

That only works if they kill each other off faster than they make new gang members.


At the rate they are killing off innocent kids, they might be on top of that issue too.
 
2012-07-08 11:07:33 PM

phalamir: Thisbymaster: I say start giving out more ammo and guns on the street corners, the problem will solve itself.

Because:

(1) not one civilian has ever been killed when gangs fight, since bullets fired rfrom the guns of gangsters cannot touch the flesh of not gangsters

(2) as these things play out, everyone fights until a single gangster is standing

(3) lesser gangs/gangsters never glom onto the trending winner, thus making the surviving gang bigger and more expansive

(4) the winners of these little wars have never then used the more open ecosystem to become an even greater threat


(5) people living in poverty with no meaningful prospects definitely won't have more children who will join the gangs
 
2012-07-08 11:08:45 PM

TuteTibiImperes: It sounds like what happened to the terror cells falling the assault on al-Qaeda, with no one in charge now there are hundreds of little cells all causing their own trouble.

We could take the same approach here - declare gang members to be terrorists and ship them off to Guantanamo Bay. Selling crack or meth, carrying an unlicensed firearm, shooting at or assaulting someone and you're in a gang neighborhood wearing gang colors or with gang tats then it's off to Gitmo for you, no trial, no slap on the wrist, no muss no fuss.

I suppose there would have to be some mechanism in place to make sure someone didn't get caught up who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, but whatever we've been doing so far doesn't seem to be working.


I support this solution. These kids will cut it out once they realize they will be made enemies of the state. If you think about it, gang members are terrorists. This is not petty theft, a random mugging or killing in the heat of the moment. This is a group of people organizing and attempting to impose their will against law abiding citizens through violence. You can cry about the rights of these criminals all you want but what about the people that live in constant fear of a drive by shooting?

What gang members do is heinous and when some of their friends get "disappeared" this garbage will stop.
 
2012-07-08 11:12:15 PM

W.C.fields forever: F*ck you ,Archie.Just for that your not in the gang anymore


King Archie!!!

/good call
 
2012-07-08 11:12:38 PM

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: You clandestinely let one of the gangs buy or steal a nuclear bomb and transport it into the middle of the city, then send in your best agent to "defuse" it.

great movie, the sequel was good too


District 13 (French film), or am I thinking of something else?
 
2012-07-08 11:12:55 PM

lenfromak: uber humper: demaL-demaL-yeH: Solid Muldoon: Legalize drugs and this and this all goes away.

In exactly the same way that ending the Prohibition eliminated the Mafia.

Yea, goes away...

"Aw shucks. The gig is up, no more drug dealing for us anymore -- time to get a job"

Except that they didn't really end Prohibition, so much as shift the focus to other recreational drugs.


Then they legalized Lotto, and the numbers racket disappeared.
 
2012-07-08 11:13:41 PM

zeroman987: TuteTibiImperes: It sounds like what happened to the terror cells falling the assault on al-Qaeda, with no one in charge now there are hundreds of little cells all causing their own trouble.

We could take the same approach here - declare gang members to be terrorists and ship them off to Guantanamo Bay. Selling crack or meth, carrying an unlicensed firearm, shooting at or assaulting someone and you're in a gang neighborhood wearing gang colors or with gang tats then it's off to Gitmo for you, no trial, no slap on the wrist, no muss no fuss.

I suppose there would have to be some mechanism in place to make sure someone didn't get caught up who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, but whatever we've been doing so far doesn't seem to be working.

I support this solution. These kids will cut it out once they realize they will be made enemies of the state. If you think about it, gang members are terrorists. This is not petty theft, a random mugging or killing in the heat of the moment. This is a group of people organizing and attempting to impose their will against law abiding citizens through violence. You can cry about the rights of these criminals all you want but what about the people that live in constant fear of a drive by shooting?

What gang members do is heinous and when some of their friends get "disappeared" this garbage will stop.


9.0/10 Well done.
Should get nibbles from the "So you're in favor of driving a stake through the tattered remnants of the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments, then?" crowd
 
2012-07-08 11:13:54 PM

zeroman987: thenewmissus: My fiance' and I are going to Chicago for our honeymoon. We had already made the plans before this craziness started (he is originally from Chicago). We plan on staying in the suburbs and sticking to tourist spots and nice restaurants.

/kinda nervous
//Will not be carrying my purse
///just saying

No reason to be nervous. Don't be afraid to hang out on the North Side. There are rarely drive-by shootings in the normal parts of the city. Just keep your head up, don't look lost and stay alert. Get off Michigan Avenue and enjoy the neighborhoods, they are the best part of Chicago and much more fun than the tourist traps. (If you hit the museums, avoid the Shedd, it is a huge scam.) There is a lot of crime in Chicago, but for the most part it is in places you have no business being.


Seconded, the crime is highly localized, generally if you're not seeing billboards in Spanish, you're fine. You'll know when you're somewhere you shouldn't be. Wicker Park, Lincoln Park, Wrigleyville, Boys Town, River North and the loop are all wonderful, depending on your specific tastes.

There may be pockets on the west/south side that are fine, but I haven't ever felt the need to look.
 
2012-07-08 11:16:34 PM

TheZorker: "Gentleman" Jim Marcone will end up on top.


Pretty sure it's John Marcone. Love the series, can't wait for the next book.
 
2012-07-08 11:17:05 PM

zeroman987: thenewmissus: My fiance' and I are going to Chicago for our honeymoon. We had already made the plans before this craziness started (he is originally from Chicago). We plan on staying in the suburbs and sticking to tourist spots and nice restaurants.

/kinda nervous
//Will not be carrying my purse
///just saying

No reason to be nervous. Don't be afraid to hang out on the North Side. There are rarely drive-by shootings in the normal parts of the city. Just keep your head up, don't look lost and stay alert. Get off Michigan Avenue and enjoy the neighborhoods, they are the best part of Chicago and much more fun than the tourist traps. (If you hit the museums, avoid the Shedd, it is a huge scam.) There is a lot of crime in Chicago, but for the most part it is in places you have no business being.


The Shedd a scam? I mean, I haven't been since I was twelve, and even then I liked the natural history and science and industry museums better, but it still seemed pretty cool back then.
 
2012-07-08 11:18:54 PM
images.wikia.com

maybe they should consider re-reading it?
 
2012-07-08 11:19:30 PM

This About That: Those gangstas need a document that lays outs their organization. It should spell out some sort of representative political process, and maybe a court of review so the big shots don't get too far out of hand. There might be some sort of executive board to handle daily business. A better-organized and more equitable enforcement function might help, too. The various gangs should send representatives to the big meeting so everyone feels like he has at least been represented. Maybe hold elections, too.


Right... Let's get them more organized since we can't stop them from killing eachother and everyone else. If you can't beat them politicize them? Maybe at least they'd destroy form the I side out.
 
2012-07-08 11:19:54 PM
No hierarchies to control your average Joe gangster? No backward traditions and morals to constrain behavior?

It's a progressive's Utopia!
 
2012-07-08 11:23:07 PM
So basically you're saying I picked the best time to move here?
 
2012-07-08 11:23:30 PM
blackmanx.files.wordpress.com

But Black Dynamite, I sell drugs in the community.
 
2012-07-08 11:25:40 PM

Skirl Hutsenreiter: zeroman987: thenewmissus: My fiance' and I are going to Chicago for our honeymoon. We had already made the plans before this craziness started (he is originally from Chicago). We plan on staying in the suburbs and sticking to tourist spots and nice restaurants.

/kinda nervous
//Will not be carrying my purse
///just saying

No reason to be nervous. Don't be afraid to hang out on the North Side. There are rarely drive-by shootings in the normal parts of the city. Just keep your head up, don't look lost and stay alert. Get off Michigan Avenue and enjoy the neighborhoods, they are the best part of Chicago and much more fun than the tourist traps. (If you hit the museums, avoid the Shedd, it is a huge scam.) There is a lot of crime in Chicago, but for the most part it is in places you have no business being.

The Shedd a scam? I mean, I haven't been since I was twelve, and even then I liked the natural history and science and industry museums better, but it still seemed pretty cool back then.


The Shedd is horrible. It is $8 to get in, but then it quickly escalates in price. The pricing structure is designed in an counter-intuitive way that feels calculated to cause confusion. Also they make you wait outside even though there is room in the lobby in order to get people to buy the express line tickets which are more expensive. It is all about making money. I get that it is expensive to run an aquarium, but you could be a little more upfront and honest about it and stop trying to nickel and dime people into a $35 per person outing.

For the record, the Art Institute is amazing. At $20 it is a real bargain if you enjoy art. You will see some really great stuff. The only thing I found disappointing is the stuff from SE Asia and South Asia.
 
2012-07-08 11:26:09 PM

Happy Hours: Nezorf: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Can you dig it?

CAN YOU DIG IIIIIIIIT!!!!
[www.gregwilson.co.uk image 393x344]

I can dig it - goddammit so much - now I'm gonna have to watch this tonight - I have the DVD - one of my favorite movies when I was growing up.

You Warriors are good - real good.


The best!
 
2012-07-08 11:30:03 PM
Or, there are simply more murders and the police say they're all gang related with no evidence they are.
 
2012-07-08 11:40:00 PM
This is a direct result of them taking out the gang leadership and doing nothing about the actual soliders themselves. They literally took the largest Chicago gang, took out the top 20 people, and let chaos reign.
 
2012-07-08 11:40:35 PM

CSM101: [images.wikia.com image 640x529]

maybe they should consider re-reading it?


one of the more odious episodes
 
2012-07-08 11:41:38 PM

zeroman987: Skirl Hutsenreiter: zeroman987: thenewmissus: My fiance' and I are going to Chicago for our honeymoon. We had already made the plans before this craziness started (he is originally from Chicago). We plan on staying in the suburbs and sticking to tourist spots and nice restaurants.

/kinda nervous
//Will not be carrying my purse
///just saying

No reason to be nervous. Don't be afraid to hang out on the North Side. There are rarely drive-by shootings in the normal parts of the city. Just keep your head up, don't look lost and stay alert. Get off Michigan Avenue and enjoy the neighborhoods, they are the best part of Chicago and much more fun than the tourist traps. (If you hit the museums, avoid the Shedd, it is a huge scam.) There is a lot of crime in Chicago, but for the most part it is in places you have no business being.

The Shedd a scam? I mean, I haven't been since I was twelve, and even then I liked the natural history and science and industry museums better, but it still seemed pretty cool back then.

The Shedd is horrible. It is $8 to get in, but then it quickly escalates in price. The pricing structure is designed in an counter-intuitive way that feels calculated to cause confusion. Also they make you wait outside even though there is room in the lobby in order to get people to buy the express line tickets which are more expensive. It is all about making money. I get that it is expensive to run an aquarium, but you could be a little more upfront and honest about it and stop trying to nickel and dime people into a $35 per person outing.

For the record, the Art Institute is amazing. At $20 it is a real bargain if you enjoy art. You will see some really great stuff. The only thing I found disappointing is the stuff from SE Asia and South Asia.


The museum of science and industry is wonderful. Thats where they have the fairy castle and the giant plastic cows.
 
2012-07-08 11:42:54 PM

AverageAmericanGuy: I blame the weakened Italian mafia for the upsurge in Black and Latino gangs, and I blame the FBI for weakening the Mafia which has, in turn, led to the current wave of violence.



LOL because the FBI and CIA aren't messing up the Black and Latino gangs?
 
2012-07-08 11:43:45 PM

handparty: What are they using to kill people with? Handguns are illegal in Chicago.



I have no idea, obviously once you enter city limits, any gun smuggled in automatically blows up
 
2012-07-08 11:44:23 PM
What is really messed up is all the Kings and GD that moved out of the city, bypassed the suburbs and now reside in hick ass little towns that don`t see too many darkies.
hell of alot more shootings around here (70+ miles north west of Chicago) Kings from different sets separated by cornfields have killed each other over the last few years.
 
2012-07-08 11:44:45 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Solid Muldoon: Legalize drugs and this and this all goes away.

In exactly the same way that ending the Prohibition eliminated the Mafia.



The Mafia did go away, in the sense that they stopped making money on booze.

So they turned to other things that were illegal, gambling, prostitution, and drugs.

Are you seeing a pattern here? I hope so
 
2012-07-08 11:45:56 PM
Guess it's time to send in Julian Delphiki.

/can't possibly be obscure here
 
2012-07-08 11:45:59 PM
I thought that the gang structure was the Chicago PD.
 
2012-07-08 11:48:03 PM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: If the Africans managed to "establish order" after colonialism, why have western countries had to send them hundreds of billions of dollars in aid over the past few decades?



The amount of aid money is dwarfed by the amount of guns drugs and corrupted political systems they have created. Citizens and governments barely see any profits or taxes from all the natural resources handed to western corporations.
 
2012-07-08 11:49:56 PM
I realize an innocent will get caught in between here and there. And that sucks.
But otherwise, let them keep killing each other. No great loss.
 
2012-07-08 11:50:58 PM

intelligent comment below: EvilRacistNaziFascist: If the Africans managed to "establish order" after colonialism, why have western countries had to send them hundreds of billions of dollars in aid over the past few decades?

The amount of aid money is dwarfed by the amount of guns drugs and corrupted political systems they have created. Citizens and governments barely see any profits or taxes from all the natural resources handed to western corporations.


That's worse than seeing NO profits go to anyone?
 
2012-07-08 11:52:30 PM

italie: BBH: The Chicago cops did a great job taking out the previous leaders, now all the "bangers" are trying to get all they can. Too bad we cannot teach them how to shoot more accurately, they will take each other out without killing innocent bystanders.

That about sums it up. My wife works with a lot of the "older" gang members (30-50) on occasion. The kids have taken over, and most of the old guard wants nothing to do with them. Words used to describe the younger generation have ranged from "Completely insane" to "Zeros respect for anything, including life".

It isn't even about territory anymore. It isn't about drug deals either. Putting a cap in someones ass seems to be the overall goal.


Why do I keep wanting to metaphorically recast this with the GOP and the Tea Party?
 
2012-07-08 11:55:08 PM
kill anyone who is offiliated with any play, TV show, movie or other media that glorifies gang membership
 
2012-07-08 11:55:33 PM

zeroman987: I support this solution. These kids will cut it out once they realize they will be made enemies of the state.


Have you never met a 14 year old boy? They can't think past next Tuesday. The only option to control gang violence is to kill the big dogs and provide something positive for the little fish to do with their time.
 
2012-07-09 12:01:15 AM

MemeSlave: That's worse than seeing NO profits go to anyone?



Is this supposed to make sense? It would be better if it were companies based in those countries receiving profits, giving taxes and payment to the citizens. But instead we have western nations taking advantage of 3rd world countries and the countries get the blame.
 
2012-07-09 12:02:18 AM

zeroman987: thenewmissus: My fiance' and I are going to Chicago for our honeymoon. We had already made the plans before this craziness started (he is originally from Chicago). We plan on staying in the suburbs and sticking to tourist spots and nice restaurants.

/kinda nervous
//Will not be carrying my purse
///just saying

No reason to be nervous. Don't be afraid to hang out on the North Side. There are rarely drive-by shootings in the normal parts of the city. Just keep your head up, don't look lost and stay alert. Get off Michigan Avenue and enjoy the neighborhoods, they are the best part of Chicago and much more fun than the tourist traps. (If you hit the museums, avoid the Shedd, it is a huge scam.) There is a lot of crime in Chicago, but for the most part it is in places you have no business being.


Thank you for the advice. We live in a small German/Dutch town in Wisconsin. The cuisine leaves a lot to be desired. We are going so we can enjoy good food and good company.
 
2012-07-09 12:03:11 AM
Sad. It's like West Side Story all over again.
 
2012-07-09 12:04:04 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: thenewmissus:
Which movie? I am not familiar with that screen shot

"The Warriors"


Thank you.
 
2012-07-09 12:08:56 AM

teh_d00d: zeroman987: thenewmissus: My fiance' and I are going to Chicago for our honeymoon. We had already made the plans before this craziness started (he is originally from Chicago). We plan on staying in the suburbs and sticking to tourist spots and nice restaurants.

/kinda nervous
//Will not be carrying my purse
///just saying

No reason to be nervous. Don't be afraid to hang out on the North Side. There are rarely drive-by shootings in the normal parts of the city. Just keep your head up, don't look lost and stay alert. Get off Michigan Avenue and enjoy the neighborhoods, they are the best part of Chicago and much more fun than the tourist traps. (If you hit the museums, avoid the Shedd, it is a huge scam.) There is a lot of crime in Chicago, but for the most part it is in places you have no business being.

Seconded, the crime is highly localized, generally if you're not seeing billboards in Spanish, you're fine. You'll know when you're somewhere you shouldn't be. Wicker Park, Lincoln Park, Wrigleyville, Boys Town, River North and the loop are all wonderful, depending on your specific tastes.

There may be pockets on the west/south side that are fine, but I haven't ever felt the need to look.


You Farkers are awesome. Thank you for alleviating my fears and giving me information that would undoubtedly prove to be helpful. You guys are truly wonderful. I appreciate it very much.
 
2012-07-09 12:09:00 AM
nothing new here, list of Chicago gangs

4CH

ADIDAS BOYS

ALLPORT LOVERS

ALMIGHTY AMBROSE

ALMIGHTY BISHOPS

ALMIGHTY BLACK STONES / BLACK P-STONES


ALMIGHTY BRAZERS

ALMIGHTY HARRISON GENTS

ALMIGHTY GAYLORDS

ALMIGHTY IMPERIAL GANGSTERS

ALMIGHTY KRAZY GETDOWN BOYS

ALMIGHTY LATIN ANGELS

ALMIGHTY LATIN EAGLES

ALMIGHTY LATIN KINGS

ALMIGHTY LATIN PACHUCOS

ALMIGHTY NOBLE KNIGHTS

ALMIGHTY PARTY PLAYERS

ALMIGHTY POPES

ALMIGHTY SIMON CITY ROYALS

ALMIGHTY STONED FREAKS

ALMIGHTY TWELVTH STREET PLAYERS (

APACHE STONES

AZTEC SOULS

BLACK DISCIPLES

BLACK GANGSTERS - AKA NEW BREEDS

BLACK GANGSTER DISCIPLES

BLACK KING COBRAS

BLACK SOULS

BLUE FIN BLACK DISCIPLES

B.O.S.S. PIMPS

CHI WEST

CICERO INSANE VICE LORDS

CONSERVATIVE VICE LORDS

CRAZY GANGSTERS

EBONY VICE LORDS

EXECUTIONER VICE LORDS

FAMILIA STONES

FOUR CORNER HUSTLERS - AKA 4CH

FOURTH GENERATION MESSIAHS - 4GM

GANGSTER DISCIPLES

GANGSTER PARTY PEOPLE

GANGSTER STONES

GANGSTER TWO SIX
GANGSTER STONE VICE LORDS
HOODLUMS

IMPERIAL VICE LORDS
IMPERIAL INSANE VICE LORDS
INSANE ASHLAND VIKINGS
INSANE C-NOTES
INSANE CAMPBELL BOYS
INSANE CULLERTON DEUCES
INSANE DEUCES
INSANE DRAGONS
INSANE GANGSTER CITY KNIGHTS
INSANE GANGSTER SATAN DISCIPLES - SATAN DISCIPLES
INSANE GUESS BOYS

INSANE LATIN BROTHERS

INSANE LATIN JIVERS
INSANE MAJESTICS
INSANE ORQUESTRA ALBANY
INSANE POPES (NORTH SIDE POPES)
INSANE POPES (SOUTH SIDE POPES)
INSANE RACINE BOYS
INSANE SPANISH COBRAS
INSANE TWO TWO BOYS
INSANE UNKNOWNS
INSANE VICE LORDS
ISREALITE STONES
JET BLACK STONES
KING COBRAS

LA RAZA
LATIN COUNTS
LATIN DRAGONS
LATIN LOVERS
LATIN SOULS
LATIN STONES
LATIN STYLERS
LYNCHMEN SERCAUN GANGSTERS (LSG)
MAFIA INSANE VICE LORDS
MANIAC CAMPBELL BOYS

MANIAC FOUR CORNER HUSTLERS

MANIAC LATIN DISCIPLES
MANIAC TRAVELING VICE LORDS

MADD RENEGADE VICE LORDS

MICKEY COBRAS
MILWAUKEE KINGS
MORGAN BOYS

NEW BREEDS AKA BLACK GANGSTERS
OUTLAW LUNATIC TRAVELING VICE LORDS
RENEGADE VICE LORDS
RIDGEWAY BOYS
RUBENITE STONES
SAINTS
SIN CITY BOYS
SPANISH GANGSTER DISCIPLES
SPANISH LORDS
SPANISH VICE LORDS
SURENOS
TAP BOYS - THE ARABIAN POSSE

TITANIC STONES
TRAVELING VICE LORDS
UNDERTAKER VICE LORDS

UNKNOWN TRAVELING VICE LORDS
UNKNOWN VICE LORDS

YOUNG LATINO ORG. COBRAS - YLOC
YOUNG LATIN ORG DISCIPLES - YLOD
 
2012-07-09 12:18:27 AM

Fat-D: What is really messed up is all the Kings and GD that moved out of the city, bypassed the suburbs and now reside in hick ass little towns that don`t see too many darkies.
hell of alot more shootings around here (70+ miles north west of Chicago) Kings from different sets separated by cornfields have killed each other over the last few years.


You hit the nail on the head. I am a black female that moved from Florida to Wisconsin. I moved to a small town. In the slightly bigger surrounding towns, they have had an influx of black people. I used to work with some of those females. When I asked my co-workers where they were from, they all said Chicago. They are tightly networked. All of the black females that I have met knew each other. The black men are coming here from Chicago and screwing all the white women and leaving them. True shame.
 
2012-07-09 12:19:54 AM

thenewmissus: Fat-D: What is really messed up is all the Kings and GD that moved out of the city, bypassed the suburbs and now reside in hick ass little towns that don`t see too many darkies.
hell of alot more shootings around here (70+ miles north west of Chicago) Kings from different sets separated by cornfields have killed each other over the last few years.

You hit the nail on the head. I am a black female that moved from Florida to Wisconsin. I moved to a small town. In the slightly bigger surrounding towns, they have had an influx of black people. I used to work with some of those females. When I asked my co-workers where they were from, they all said Chicago. They are tightly networked. All of the black females that I have met knew each other. The black men are coming here from Chicago and screwing all the white women and leaving them. True shame.


Please use "female" as an adjective and "woman" as a noun. kthxbai
 
2012-07-09 12:21:01 AM

thenewmissus:
Thank you for the advice. We live in a small German/Dutch town in Wisconsin. The cuisine leaves a lot to be desired. We are going so we can enjoy good food and good company.


Wait, you mean Sconnies sometimes look for food that's not cheese curds, beer, or a brandy old fashioned? Not that there's anything wrong with that, I'm just shocked.
 
2012-07-09 12:23:37 AM
Black people problems.
 
2012-07-09 12:24:28 AM
What time is it?

Vigilante Time!
 
2012-07-09 12:28:57 AM
I am a black.
 
2012-07-09 12:34:36 AM

the_chief: I am a black.


I am an Italian /Puerto rican.
 
2012-07-09 12:39:02 AM
Just keep calling them "cliques" and eventually they'll realize how uncool it is.
 
2012-07-09 12:46:30 AM
I grew up in Moreno Valley, CA. Go there today and you'll see a decrepit town where any empty building is an Indoor Swap Meet or a Supermercado.

I've lived in Chicago for almost ten years. I've seen my share of crime on the north side, but nothing like I used to in California. For that matter, nothing like I saw while I was a volunteer in the South Side of Chicago.

The Green Line was a mess. There was always some guy begging for food, even if you've eaten off it, because that's how he said you'd know he was sincere. Then there was always a woman who would call him out because she saw him saying the same thing every day. Then they'd argue and he'd storm off.

A while ago, Chicago Magazine had an article about how compared to other Midwest cities, Chicago is more susceptible to corruption because there's more to offer here. Utilities, trash, business licenses, etc.

In California, I'd travel 60 miles to get somewhere and think nothing of it. In Chicago, I drive more than 5 miles and it feels like a journey. I drove 20 miles to the Suburbs last weekend and couldn't figure out why everyone was passing me. Then I realized I wasn't used to traveling more than 40MPH.
 
2012-07-09 12:53:56 AM
 
2012-07-09 12:58:51 AM
There's a Chicago gang that goes by the 'Almighty Gaylords' ? Really?
 
2012-07-09 01:01:37 AM

TuteTibiImperes: There's a Chicago gang that goes by the 'Almighty Gaylords' ? Really?

Maybe they meant "ganglords" or they put it down as a joke answer.
 
2012-07-09 01:02:00 AM

jabelar: Just keep calling them "cliques" and eventually they'll realize how uncool it is.


I'm watching The Warriors right now and they just used that term. How many decades will it take? More than 3 apparently.


I love watching movies from the '70s. They just ran past a poster for Foul Play.

So, so far - the Warriors have only dealt with The Orphans - next up, the Baseball Furies (probably my favorite gang of the whole movie, except the Warriors of course). They must have been the rich kids - they can afford baseball uniforms and everything.

Nowhere to run to baby, nowhere to hide.

Keep boppin, boppers.

Somehow I doubt this is an accurate portrayal of gang life.
 
2012-07-09 01:03:46 AM
robmilmel 2012-07-08 04:34:12 PM

They clearly need to band together and stop fighting over their little pieces of turf:

I ,(for one), can indeed ,'dig it'

But I STILL aint payin no 50 cents for no coke!!
 
2012-07-09 01:05:51 AM
Well if History Channel documentaries about gangs have taught me anything, the key to rising to the top is to be more violent than everyone else.
 
2012-07-09 01:08:04 AM
The money flow from Obama must have broken down
 
2012-07-09 01:08:48 AM

MeanJean: My gosh, if only there were a specific word for what is happening...


Eh, that was all Greek to me.
 
2012-07-09 01:10:06 AM
Came for some dirt on the Latin Kings and the Insane Popes.. leaving unsatisfied...

/former south side
 
2012-07-09 01:18:29 AM

italie: BBH: The Chicago cops did a great job taking out the previous leaders, now all the "bangers" are trying to get all they can. Too bad we cannot teach them how to shoot more accurately, they will take each other out without killing innocent bystanders.

That about sums it up. My wife works with a lot of the "older" gang members (30-50) on occasion. The kids have taken over, and most of the old guard wants nothing to do with them. Words used to describe the younger generation have ranged from "Completely insane" to "Zeros respect for anything, including life".

It isn't even about territory anymore. It isn't about drug deals either. Putting a cap in someones ass seems to be the overall goal.


It is the overwhelming need to show who the badest man is. The macho-ness of the gang/prison culture is what's driving all of the violence. The smallest sign of disrespect will launch an all out war today.
 
2012-07-09 01:24:54 AM

intelligent comment below: demaL-demaL-yeH: Solid Muldoon: Legalize drugs and this and this all goes away.

In exactly the same way that ending the Prohibition eliminated the Mafia.


The Mafia did go away, in the sense that they stopped making money on booze.

So they turned to other things that were illegal, gambling, prostitution, and drugs.

Are you seeing a pattern here? I hope so


Make everything that is a part of the "moral laws" legal and crime goes away?
 
2012-07-09 01:36:44 AM
I have a solution. Bring our troops home and use these gangs for target practice instead of worrying about a bunch of cave dwellers over in Afghanistan.
 
2012-07-09 01:50:48 AM

over_and_done: Tell the non-gang-members ("citizens", "victims", whatever term you choose to apply) to move the hell out. Pull back the police and set up stronger patrols to make sure the bangers stay in banger territory, but don't bother going into banger territory.

It's what the gangs want. It's what the citizens want. Everybody wins! (And later, after the gangs murder themselves, everybody wins again.)


So your solution is Escape from New York? I'm in, but only if Kurt Russel is involved.

Thisbymaster: I say start giving out more ammo and guns on the street corners, the problem will solve itself.


How the fark do you think we ended up with the mob in the first place?
 
2012-07-09 02:12:37 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Solid Muldoon: Legalize drugs and this and this all goes away.

In exactly the same way that ending the Prohibition eliminated the Mafia.


This.

/they will just find a new illegal activity to make money with.
//you can't make everything legal.
 
2012-07-09 02:39:39 AM

charliebear: nothing new here, list of Chicago gangs

4CH


/b/?
 
2012-07-09 03:11:01 AM

Mad_Radhu: charliebear: nothing new here, list of Chicago gangs

4CH

/b/?


Four Corner Hustla

Almost all black.
 
2012-07-09 04:27:28 AM

italie: It isn't even about territory anymore. It isn't about drug deals either. Putting a cap in someones ass seems to be the overall goal.


B...b...but an armed society is a polite society.
 
2012-07-09 04:33:23 AM
I saw a movie about this a few years ago, and it turns out it's all the fault of Batman.
 
2012-07-09 04:51:11 AM

TuteTibiImperes: It sounds like what happened to the terror cells falling the assault on al-Qaeda, with no one in charge now there are hundreds of little cells all causing their own trouble.

We could take the same approach here - declare gang members to be terrorists and ship them off to Guantanamo Bay. Selling crack or meth, carrying an unlicensed firearm, shooting at or assaulting someone and you're in a gang neighborhood wearing gang colors or with gang tats then it's off to Gitmo for you, no trial, no slap on the wrist, no muss no fuss.

I suppose there would have to be some mechanism in place to make sure someone didn't get caught up who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time, but whatever we've been doing so far doesn't seem to be working.


It's exactly like that. Except the big gangs, when they were still in power, were almost a shadow government. Like the original Hell's Angels; members paid their dues, obeyed orders, got protection when they did and got killed when they didn't.

Over here in L.A., where La Eme controls nearly all the hispanic gangs, there are many fewer random cliques doing whatever they want, because the Mexican Mafia WILL come in and order a hit on anyone who steps out of line. The downside is that in Hispanic neighborhoods, La Eme IS a shadow government, and people won't turn them in for fear of retaliation on one hand and fear of deportation on the other.
 
2012-07-09 05:08:19 AM
fark, i'm still trying to figure out how to become mr. big.

no one will take my resume.
 
2012-07-09 05:47:55 AM

intelligent comment below: MemeSlave: That's worse than seeing NO profits go to anyone?

Is this supposed to make sense? It would be better if it were companies based in those countries receiving profits, giving taxes and payment to the citizens. But instead we have western nations taking advantage of 3rd world countries and the countries get the blame.


Dumbass. A lot of things would be better. Cold fusion would be better. Replicators would be better. Nothing is preventing the 3rd world from rising up and forming its own capitalist system, we're even supplying the capital, in many places, for free. My point is that even giving them a 90/10 split is better than a 100/0 split.
 
2012-07-09 06:04:26 AM

SuddenlySamhain: But I STILL aint payin no 50 cents for no coke!!


No, because it costs 85 cents.

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2012-07-09 06:51:24 AM
Really? This far without a Dresden Files reference?
 
2012-07-09 07:01:16 AM
Having well entrenched organized crime in crucial to living is a peaceful society. Professional criminals know that murder, especially of innocents, is bad for business. They are already at the top and therefore have nothing to prove. Once they are removed, however, the remaining lesser elements will fight to fill the vacuum and that often leads to misery for the local populace.

A good example is Mexico. Sure it had it problems, but once they took out the big players in the nacro-gangs, it all went to shiat.
 
2012-07-09 07:47:20 AM

GonadtheBarbarian: Black people problems.


TNB
 
2012-07-09 07:49:48 AM

belhade: Just wall off the whole damn city and let them all kill each other off. And if that takes too long...

You clandestinely let one of the gangs buy or steal a nuclear bomb and transport it into the middle of the city, then send in your best agent to "defuse" it.

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I liked that movie way more then it deserved.


E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: You clandestinely let one of the gangs buy or steal a nuclear bomb and transport it into the middle of the city, then send in your best agent to "defuse" it.

great movie, the sequel was good too


The what you say?

May have to look inot this.
 
2012-07-09 07:51:17 AM

TuteTibiImperes: There's a Chicago gang that goes by the 'Almighty Gaylords' ? Really?


Surprisingly, they were one of the biggest in Chicago for some time. A GIS does them about as much help as the name...


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2012-07-09 08:30:21 AM

charliebear: nothing new here, list of Chicago gangs



You forgot the "Almighty Insane Maniac Black Knight Latin Conservative Cobras Gansta Playas."

Anyway, it kinda makes you long for the good gangsters of the old days.
 
2012-07-09 09:13:46 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: 9.0/10 Well done.
Should get nibbles from the "So you're in favor of driving a stake through the tattered remnants of the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments, then?" crowd


9.5, because you forgot the Second Amendment.
 
2012-07-09 09:28:13 AM
Chicago cops haven't a clue how to handle this problem and never will. It will never be controlled by law enforcement... only the people who live in those areas have that control and apparently they have no desire to change it. fark em... let them kill each other.
 
2012-07-09 09:39:51 AM

TuteTibiImperes: There's a Chicago gang that goes by the 'Almighty Gaylords' ? Really?


Grand Ave. Young Lords, if I remember right. Mainly white, less powerful now than they were in the 60s/70s.
 
2012-07-09 09:53:47 AM
Everything's gone to hell since Harry killed the Red Court. Now all these new guys are moving in and picking off the low-level talents.
 
2012-07-09 10:01:08 AM

JSam21: Make everything that is a part of the "moral laws" legal and crime goes away?



If organized crime has no vices to make millions of dollars from, do you think they would still be powerful?
 
2012-07-09 10:03:16 AM

MemeSlave: Nothing is preventing the 3rd world from rising up and forming its own capitalist system



Except western corporations and governments who profit off corrupt local government by selling them weapons, loans, receiving cheap natural resources, etc?

Yeah, except for all that.

/DeBeers makes a killing off their diamond mines, locals see pennies on the dollar
 
2012-07-09 10:08:04 AM

demaL-demaL-yeH: Solid Muldoon: Legalize drugs and this and this all goes away.

In exactly the same way that ending the Prohibition eliminated the Mafia.


Yes, actually. The Mafia isn't a serious force in American crime anymore, although it took decades, due to all the money they made during Prohibition.

The longer the idiotic War on Drugs goes on, the longer the aftermath will be.
 
2012-07-09 10:08:39 AM

fusillade762: phalamir: Thisbymaster: I say start giving out more ammo and guns on the street corners, the problem will solve itself.

Because:

(1) not one civilian has ever been killed when gangs fight, since bullets fired rfrom the guns of gangsters cannot touch the flesh of not gangsters

(2) as these things play out, everyone fights until a single gangster is standing

(3) lesser gangs/gangsters never glom onto the trending winner, thus making the surviving gang bigger and more expansive

(4) the winners of these little wars have never then used the more open ecosystem to become an even greater threat

(5) people living in poverty with no meaningful prospects definitely won't have more children who will join the gangs


Unless you pay them to and give them more freebies for dropping more potential thugs. You were doing OK until (5).
 
2012-07-09 10:37:36 AM

belhade: Just wall off the whole damn city and let them all kill each other off. And if that takes too long...

You clandestinely let one of the gangs buy or steal a nuclear bomb and transport it into the middle of the city, then send in your best agent to "defuse" it.

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And thus begun the Hunger Games.

But seriously, why hold the call-ins in places where murder is stable or going down? Go to the areas where its on the rise you derp-heads.
 
2012-07-09 10:52:57 AM
This situation is entirely predicatble to anyone even passingly familiar with Warhammer 40,000.

Elimination of the Ork Warboss inevitably leads to inter-Klan conflict as da Biggest Orks fights it out ta see who is da tuffest.
 
2012-07-09 11:47:54 AM

dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: 9.0/10 Well done.
Should get nibbles from the "So you're in favor of driving a stake through the tattered remnants of the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments, then?" crowd

9.5, because you forgot the Second Amendment.


Be fair: Two different crowds with very little overlap.

/They can take my 12-pounder from me when they hitch a team yada yada something grapeshot.
 
2012-07-09 11:57:41 AM

This About That: Those gangstas need a document that lays outs their organization. It should spell out some sort of representative political process, and maybe a court of review so the big shots don't get too far out of hand. There might be some sort of executive board to handle daily business. A better-organized and more equitable enforcement function might help, too. The various gangs should send representatives to the big meeting so everyone feels like he has at least been represented. Maybe hold elections, too.


No no... They should run it as an anarcho-syndicalist commune. They can take it in turns to sort of act as a sort of executive officer for the week. All the decisions of that officer have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs.but by a two-thirds majority in the case of more major...
 
2012-07-09 12:16:19 PM
wall off the bad parts of the city.. NAPALM.
Military snipers/police sharpshooters posted around the outside of the wall.. getting practice in for anyone that comes over the top.

turn the newly renovated areas into water parks. Everyone loves a water park.
Boom.. less crime, new jobs.


ps: no shirts/gold chains allowed at the water parks
 
2012-07-09 12:17:40 PM

Dr.Knockboots: wall off the bad parts of the city.. NAPALM.
Military snipers/police sharpshooters posted around the outside of the wall.. getting practice in for anyone that comes over the top.

turn the newly renovated areas into water parks. Everyone loves a water park.
Boom.. less crime, new jobs.


ps: no shirts/gold chains allowed at the water parks


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2012-07-09 01:10:38 PM

demaL-demaL-yeH: dittybopper: demaL-demaL-yeH: 9.0/10 Well done.
Should get nibbles from the "So you're in favor of driving a stake through the tattered remnants of the First, Fourth, Fifth, and Sixth Amendments, then?" crowd

9.5, because you forgot the Second Amendment.

Be fair: Two different crowds with very little overlap.

/They can take my 12-pounder from me when they hitch a team yada yada something grapeshot.


I don't have a 12-pounder, but I do have a mortar with a 3" bore.

I can put a pound of mortar mix in a tin can out to roughly 350 yards or so. A solid pound of cement screaming down at you from a height of roughly 500 feet is going to pretty much ruin your day.
 
2012-07-09 01:12:27 PM

dittybopper: I don't have a 12-pounder, but I do have a mortar with a 3" bore.


thats what she said?
 
2012-07-09 02:03:53 PM

kvinesknows: dittybopper: I don't have a 12-pounder, but I do have a mortar with a 3" bore.

thats what she said?


She's got a big mouth. Big enough I have to shove a tampion in it:

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2012-07-09 02:11:40 PM

kvinesknows: dittybopper: I don't have a 12-pounder, but I do have a mortar with a 3" bore.

thats what she said?


A gun is a crew-served weapon, civilian.

/An e-peen is self-serve.
 
2012-07-09 03:47:02 PM

SuddenlySamhain: robmilmel 2012-07-08 04:34:12 PM

They clearly need to band together and stop fighting over their little pieces of turf:

I ,(for one), can indeed ,'dig it'

But I STILL aint payin no 50 cents for no coke!!


Aha, then you ain't getting no Coke!
 
2012-07-09 04:52:05 PM

W.C.fields forever: the_chief: I am a black.

I am an Italian /Puerto rican.


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I am a banana
 
2012-07-09 10:51:12 PM
I hear Lincoln is working on a plan to ship them all to Nigeria, wait, nevermind.
 
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