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2012-07-08 07:59:45 PM  

Spiralmonkey: Baryogenesis: Even if you think this is a good idea in theory, I don't see how it could be a good idea in practice. The software in the speed restriction would have to know every speed limit for every area with superb precision lest someone driving on a highway near a school be suddenly forced to reduce their speed.

make me some tea: Yeah, fark that. Sometimes speeding up to avoid a bad situation is the best course of action.

This too

It's a really bad idea, but the tech is already available to make it doable. The speed limit round schools in Scotland is usually 20mph, and my satnav uses IQ Routes, this localised info advising you of speed limits, cameras and traffic jams is readily available.


Doable is different from perfect. And it's the sort of thing that needs to be perfect so as not to cause accidents.
 
2012-07-08 08:00:38 PM  

BronyMedic: ElLoco: Oznog: I wonder how it KNOWS that you're in a school zone?

By the sound.

Related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94m_P4-0wXw


You wanna know how I know yer mad?

You might spend more time preparing your mind to aid your comrade, ala camaraderie, and less time being angry online, because, your special skills and education are needed in our human quest for survival. It's time to planetize...

;)
 
2012-07-08 08:01:22 PM  

fusillade762: I had a friend in grade school whose dad had gotten so many speeding tickets they installed this thing in his car that made a really shrill whistling noise if he went over 55.


Association of Scottish Police Superintendents (Asps)

Why is the acronym lower case? It's weird and it makes me think they're talking about snakes.


They don't, the useless reporter did and no editor caught it.
 
2012-07-08 08:02:51 PM  

Gosling: Just about any car on the road is CAPABLE of exceeding most non-Autobahn speed limits. Your dumpy little minivan can do 90 if pushed hard enough.


My minivan can do 90 without trying too terribly hard while climbing over Snoqualmie Pass.
 
2012-07-08 08:09:40 PM  
Someone's just angry because Andy Murray needs to wait another year.
 
2012-07-08 08:09:43 PM  
Hmmmm...Copy and Paste

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgzfxs_if-it-s-not-scottish-it-s-cra p _shortfilms
 
2012-07-08 08:10:41 PM  

DPSturm: on Sundays I elude the eyes, and hop the turbine freight..........


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-07-08 08:11:29 PM  

Great Janitor: This would make sense if the majority of accidents were high speed wrecks. Given that the majority of wrecks are slow speed accidents, this really doesn't make any sense.

My worse wreck, it was on the freeway, the posted speed limit was 65. I was at a stand still because the freeway was closed for road work, and the woman who came up next rear ended me at 50 mph. This plan would in no way prevent that accident from happening. The woman paying attention would have prevented that wreck.


Yup 99% of accidents are from inattention and stupidity. Speeding fines are a farce in regards to safety as we proved with the australian highway. Speed limits being imposed on limit free highways killed way more people in the first 3 months.
 
2012-07-08 08:11:56 PM  
^ Yeah. I spose it'd work if I took the flerpin' spaces out.
 
2012-07-08 08:12:18 PM  
Indubitably: You wanna know how I know yer mad?

You might spend more time preparing your mind to aid your comrade, ala camaraderie, and less time being angry online, because, your special skills and education are needed in our human quest for survival. It's time to planetize...

;)


Um. Are you high?
 
2012-07-08 08:16:17 PM  
Walken tall:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=KrQxQPG8JdE&feature=endscreen
 
2012-07-08 08:18:09 PM  
Obviously the result of some deep thinking at the shallow end of the pool on some politician's part.
 
2012-07-08 08:20:40 PM  

Great Janitor: Oznog: I wonder how it KNOWS that you're in a school zone?.

That part really scares me. First, the fact that we may actually have the technology to create zones that can electronically slow our cars down to the speed limit in certain areas. Second, that governments are seriously considering this because it honestly has this much belief that the common man/woman can not safely drive their vehicle. And third, even though this is in Scotland and I live in the U.S., just one country doing it could lead to morons in this country saying "If Scotland can do it, why can't we?", and honestly, it won't just be the U.S., many nations would say that, and it's short sighted and dangerous for automated systems outside the car to physically take control of the car away from the driver.


It's the inevitable conclusion of the people who just want to 'help'.

To me, it is one of the most terrifying manifestations of a nascent authoritarian state. There is no goal these people have but to 'continue to help' and work towards a better future. That someone might have a different vision of what that future is, or how they desire to achieve it is a concept that is completely alien to these people.

It is terrifying to me because it is trivially easy for them to demonize anyone who disagrees with them as being anti-progressive or 'in the pocket of XYZ'.

If you aren't a vile human being how could you not support a proposal that would save lives or help that group. In this world of the 5 second soundbite, you can never present a rational opposition to a measure when it takes a minimum of 3 minutes just to establish what the proposal is in the first place.

If anyone can tell me how to debate 'The saving puppies and funding orphan teachers Act' please let me know.

Rational person: "You see, while this proposal on the surface seeks to fund orphan teachers, the method by which it attempts to deal with the problem imposes a tax on goods manufactured in the US and establishes a regulatory system which will cost 1 million dollars for every thousand dollars sent to orphan teachers"

Proponent of the Act: "Why do you hate orphan teachers?"

At best you could hope for the slightly more sane response...

Proponent: "We have to do this. Look at this orphan teacher with the puppy, isn't she sad looking? You say that this program will only benefit a few because there are only 10 orphan puppy teachers in the US, but I say how can you stand idle while nearly a dozen orphan puppy teachers are suffering NOW?"



(Though for a real example, just look at the Cash for Clunkers program. Tossing good money into a program that literally destroyed capital to encourage US citizens to run up debt. BUT IT WAS FOR THE ENVIRONMENTS!!!! So why the hell couldn't we just take those billions of dollars and start buying up important littoral areas, or shifting our energy infrastructure? )
 
2012-07-08 08:23:46 PM  

fusillade762: I had a friend in grade school whose dad had gotten so many speeding tickets they installed this thing in his car that made a really shrill whistling noise if he went 55.


Association of Scottish Police Superintendents (Asps)

Why is the acronym lower case? It's weird and it makes me think they're talking about snakes.


Some British press style-guides maintain the distinction between initialisms (words formed from the initial letters of an organisation's name) and acronyms (initialisms that are pronounced as words in their own right).

So, they would report on the FBI, BBC, ITV, the IRA, IAAF...

But also on Nasa, Asps, Radar, Eta, Ram....
 
2012-07-08 08:26:13 PM  

runescorpio: Great Janitor: This would make sense if the majority of accidents were high speed wrecks. Given that the majority of wrecks are slow speed accidents, this really doesn't make any sense.

My worse wreck, it was on the freeway, the posted speed limit was 65. I was at a stand still because the freeway was closed for road work, and the woman who came up next rear ended me at 50 mph. This plan would in no way prevent that accident from happening. The woman paying attention would have prevented that wreck.

Yup 99% of accidents are from inattention and stupidity. Speeding fines are a farce in regards to safety as we proved with the australian highway. Speed limits being imposed on limit free highways killed way more people in the first 3 months.


Take a drive on I-295 as it starts at the base of the DC beltway.

Marvel as traffic goes from a 60MPH average with cars 60' apart to a snarled mess going 40MPH or lower within the span of a few feet. Lots of brake lights and sudden decelerations.

It must be a coincidence that a newly installed automated speed camera lurks just inside the DC border (right next to the Naval Research Labs). People go from looking DOWN the road at upcoming traffic conditions to looking off the SIDE of the road for the damned cameras and end up overbraking as they have an 'oh-shiat' moment when they see the traffic snarled just around the camera.
 
2012-07-08 08:32:37 PM  
This has already been done for motorcycles for a while. There is something of a gentlemens agreement that has limited motorcycles to 300 kmph.


Facism!
 
2012-07-08 08:38:06 PM  
I could go with this if the speed governor came with a recording of James Doohan going, "but captain we kinna go any faster, the dilithium crystals are overheating and the ship'll blow"
 
2012-07-08 08:38:28 PM  
and ironically enough, all 8 times I had to save my sorry ass in a near miss on a road, while driving a car or bike, I had to go faster, to avoid it.... if this where implemented, you would now be on my 9th life...
 
2012-07-08 08:41:03 PM  

Great Janitor: .

The insurance industry has been fighting for years to get those devices installed on our cars (those Snapshot devices), but the government has refused to make it mandatory.


At least one insurance company (American Family) offers such a device to those who have teenage drivers on their policy. Many parents have opted for this thing, never stopping to think that maybe of their snowflake needs to be monitored while driving, they shouldn't be driving.
 
2012-07-08 08:45:44 PM  

BronyMedic: Indubitably: You wanna know how I know yer mad?

You might spend more time preparing your mind to aid your comrade, ala camaraderie, and less time being angry online, because, your special skills and education are needed in our human quest for survival. It's time to planetize...

;)

Um. Are you high?


I dunno, how's yer label-maker? ;)
 
2012-07-08 08:52:42 PM  
Since I already had my fun, I'm OK with this.

/your first kiss, your first boink, your first time getting away from the fuzz.
 
2012-07-08 08:54:07 PM  
For Fark's Sake, just be done with all this crap and set the speed limit at 15 mile per hour for the whole damn country and put padding along the sides of every single road.

Farking nanny state, indeed.
 
2012-07-08 08:55:02 PM  

MONSTERTRUCK: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xgzfxs_if-it-s-not-scottish-it-s-cra p _shortfilms


Thank you for that. I haven't seen that skit since it aired.

/bookmark
 
2012-07-08 09:03:45 PM  

BSABSVR: Ooba Tooba: A horrible idea. Waiting for some overzealous group to suggest this for American cars in 3...2...

We'll get mandatory breathalyzers first.


I kinda wouldn't mind one of those. Not for calling the cops, but just not starting over .08, make me find alternative transportation.
 
2012-07-08 09:12:48 PM  
"It allows drivers to instruct their vehicles to stick to 28mph, for example, in a 30mph zone."

Oh joy.
 
2012-07-08 09:21:02 PM  
One of the most popular cars in Scotland is the Vauxhall. They would do better and faster to ride sheep. Really.
 
2012-07-08 09:24:21 PM  
Manky Scots git...
 
2012-07-08 09:24:34 PM  

Great Janitor: And third, even though this is in Scotland and I live in the U.S., just one country doing it could lead to morons in this country saying "If Scotland can do it, why can't we?"


Not could, *will*. And sooner than you think.
 
2012-07-08 09:24:42 PM  
ts1.mm.bing.net

I'm surprised they still let them drive at all.
 
2012-07-08 09:27:42 PM  
2,000 people killed across the UK in 2011

Freakin' part timers
 
2012-07-08 09:33:53 PM  
2,000 people killed across the UK in 2011

The Germans did much better in the 40s, you pikers.
 
2012-07-08 09:35:46 PM  
I can't wait until the US goverment stepps up the DERP on this and decides to install these for the $aftey. Just get your monthly bill from Uncle Sam.
 
2012-07-08 09:39:16 PM  
Interesting the police want this, and not the revenue the citations bring. That makes me think that this is a problem in Scotland, as it is in the States, where parents are so fearful of their snowflake being kidnapped or approached by pedo, that they no longer let them walk to school and must drop them off at the school's door.

This leads to a clusterfark of speeding bus-sized SUVs in the schoolzone, and parents running over your kid in order to keep theirs "safe."
 
2012-07-08 09:54:17 PM  

Great Janitor: even though this is in Scotland and I live in the U.S., just one country doing it could lead to morons in this country saying "If Scotland can do it, why can't we?"


YouPeopleAreCrazy: Not could, *will*. And sooner than you think.


Random Anonymous Blackmail: I can't wait until the US goverment stepps up the DERP on this and decides to install these for the $aftey.


Gawd you conservatives are smart, Raise a hand IN TRIUMPH!!

i237.photobucket.com
 
2012-07-08 10:02:36 PM  

jaytkay: Great Janitor: even though this is in Scotland and I live in the U.S., just one country doing it could lead to morons in this country saying "If Scotland can do it, why can't we?"

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Not could, *will*. And sooner than you think.

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I can't wait until the US goverment stepps up the DERP on this and decides to install these for the $aftey.

Gawd you conservatives are smart Raise a hand IN TRIUMPH!!



Fixed for the libtard.
 
2012-07-08 10:05:20 PM  
www.scotland.gov.uk

Better than their current method of speed control.
 
2012-07-08 10:07:05 PM  
My car's speedometer goes up to 140, and by God I'm gonna use it!
 
2012-07-08 10:07:11 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Because Jeremy Clarkson doesn't slag on Scotland enough already.


I may need to get BBCA just so I can see the torrent of abuse he's going to drop on them
 
2012-07-08 10:08:29 PM  
So, that whole "Braveheart" and "Freedom!" thing is just a pile of shiate...
 
2012-07-08 10:08:49 PM  

cmb53208: Great Janitor: .

The insurance industry has been fighting for years to get those devices installed on our cars (those Snapshot devices), but the government has refused to make it mandatory.

At least one insurance company (American Family) offers such a device to those who have teenage drivers on their policy. Many parents have opted for this thing, never stopping to think that maybe of their snowflake needs to be monitored while driving, they shouldn't be driving.


Am Fam practically has a boner for youthful drivers ( helps keep their parents' stuff around), and seeing as how they're one of the worst segments out there, they have to do something to try and prevent some of the more dangerous behaviors they have. When I worked in an agent's office they just coming out with it. The number sof kids who turned it off of tried to obfuscate it was immense.

/Not quite as cool as when the 17 y.o. kid kills a 74 y.o. guy walking his dog while the kid was talking on his phone.
 
2012-07-08 10:13:49 PM  

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Fixed for the libtard.


Oh, snap Oh, burn You are a brilliant opponent, sir. The Shakespeare of the Internet.
 
2012-07-08 10:14:48 PM  

jaytkay


Great Janitor: even though this is in Scotland and I live in the U.S., just one country doing it could lead to morons in this country saying "If Scotland can do it, why can't we?"

YouPeopleAreCrazy: Not could, *will*. And sooner than you think.

Random Anonymous Blackmail: I can't wait until the US goverment stepps up the DERP on this and decides to install these for the $aftey.

Gawd you conservatives are smart, Raise a hand IN TRIUMPH!!


I'm a conservative? I have been call names before but wow.
 
2012-07-08 10:17:22 PM  

Silly_Sot: So, that whole "Braveheart" and "Freedom!" thing is just a pile of shiate...


In the UK, you can't own a gun and surveillance cameras are absolutely everywhere, so yeah - this fits. Germany lost the war, but fascism won.
 
2012-07-08 10:28:29 PM  
Triumph: In the UK, you can't own a gun and surveillance cameras are absolutely everywhere, so yeah - this fits. Germany lost the war, but fascism won.

You most certainly can own a firearm. You just can't own one that's concealable.
 
2012-07-08 10:29:09 PM  
I'm okay with this.

I propose that it not stop your car or govern the speed, but that every time you speed for a set amount of time, like 5 seconds, it sends you a ticket.

Speeding kills people. Period.

If you can't pass without speeding, you are passing dangerously.
If you can't get where you're going without speeding, you didn't leave enough time to get there.
There is NO situation where increasing the vectors involved improves matters.

/IAPD trained, for what it's worth
 
2012-07-08 10:34:30 PM  

stealthd: I'm okay with this.

I propose that it not stop your car or govern the speed, but that every time you speed for a set amount of time, like 5 seconds, it sends you a ticket.

Speeding kills people. Period.

If you can't pass without speeding, you are passing dangerously.
If you can't get where you're going without speeding, you didn't leave enough time to get there.
There is NO situation where increasing the vectors involved improves matters.

/IAPD trained, for what it's worth


Hey, if you can't handle seventy on an open highway, that's not *my* problem.
 
2012-07-08 10:38:39 PM  
belhade: Hey, if you can't handle seventy on an open highway, that's not *my* problem.

The problem isn't people going fast - see the German Autobahn System - it's people going fast when the roads, conditions, and other drivers can't handle them going fast.

Also, going 80 miles an hour on a 55 Highway with bald tires and brakes that haven't been serviced in 60,000 miles may not be a smart thing to do either.
 
2012-07-08 10:40:14 PM  
this is just a bad idea. I could see someones car suddenly slowing down actually causing an accident, not preventing it.

WTG scots. You sure are using your brains.

www.thepeoplescube.com

Probably what the scot suggesting it looks like.
 
2012-07-08 10:41:16 PM  

jaytkay: 2,000 people killed across the UK in 2011

The Germans did much better in the 40s, you pikers.


You sick bastard. If you weren't a libtard I'd like you
 
2012-07-08 10:45:23 PM  
What they really need to do is make the drivers wear blinders so they won't be distracted by all those sexy, sexy sheep.

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
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