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(Scotsman)   Scotland may ban cars capable of exceeding speed limits   (scotsman.com) divider line 150
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2012-07-08 03:59:27 PM  
Add this to the reasons the Scottish should not have independence.

/which I think is funny anyway
//form even smaller, independent tribal group
///turn around immediately and join EU
 
2012-07-08 04:05:40 PM  
Unless you tie them to the local speed limit, what good would it do? You'd limited to the national speed limit in the school zone though, so they'd have that going for them.

FTA, it's all a bunch of mumbo jumbo to justify installing big brother black boxes in the vehicles. Typical after the fact law enforcement activity rather than a true safety first, prevent the accident approach.
 
2012-07-08 04:08:10 PM  
This will result in massive police layoffs due to fewer fines from enforcing speed laws. A cunning plan.
 
2012-07-08 04:38:18 PM  
Because Jeremy Clarkson doesn't slag on Scotland enough already.
 
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2012-07-08 04:54:29 PM  
slayer199

There may not be a revenue drop.

Scotland turned a large fraction of its traffic police into cameras before 2010. Since 2010(+/-) speed camera fines go to the national government. If that isn't one of the England-and-Wales-only laws Scotland isn't making much money from speed enforcement.
 
2012-07-08 04:55:35 PM  
A horrible idea. Waiting for some overzealous group to suggest this for American cars in 3...2...
 
2012-07-08 05:15:38 PM  

Ooba Tooba: A horrible idea. Waiting for some overzealous group to suggest this for American cars in 3...2...


We'll get mandatory breathalyzers first.
 
2012-07-08 06:09:42 PM  
Yeah, fark that. Sometimes speeding up to avoid a bad situation is the best course of action.
 
2012-07-08 06:59:08 PM  
You know, they could probibly solve their speeder problems if they'd just crack down and catch Prawo Jazdy.
 
2012-07-08 07:09:27 PM  
Yeah, there's a good idea.
 
2012-07-08 07:12:00 PM  
I started hearing Kate Smith singing 'God Bless America' in my head when I read that article.
 
2012-07-08 07:12:12 PM  
So if they hit someone one and one of these newfangled gizmos is on the car does the person hit or their surviving family sue the govt?
 
2012-07-08 07:12:53 PM  
Apparently, they can, and will, drive 55. Or else.
 
2012-07-08 07:13:15 PM  
This would make sense if the majority of accidents were high speed wrecks. Given that the majority of wrecks are slow speed accidents, this really doesn't make any sense.

My worse wreck, it was on the freeway, the posted speed limit was 65. I was at a stand still because the freeway was closed for road work, and the woman who came up next rear ended me at 50 mph. This plan would in no way prevent that accident from happening. The woman paying attention would have prevented that wreck.
 
2012-07-08 07:14:44 PM  
dumbest damn idea in the history of driving. picture this, you're behind some bluehair going 23 in a 30 zone. You're limited. you can't pass. you are farked. Frankly, I've always had the thought that speeders are mandatory on the highway. If everyone goes exactly 60, there would be increased tailgating. merging would become next to impossible. road rage would soar. stupid farking idea. Why do people think we need 24 hour supervision? Fark every farking one of these stupid farking big brother types.
 
2012-07-08 07:14:45 PM  
on Sundays I elude the eyes, and hop the turbine freight..........
 
2012-07-08 07:15:22 PM  
Jeremy Clarkson is going to love this.
 
2012-07-08 07:15:29 PM  
What's all this then, guvnah?
 
2012-07-08 07:17:00 PM  
Wouldn't this simply encourage people to take the train down south to buy their cars in England?
 
2012-07-08 07:17:29 PM  
So drivers should have less control of their cars in school zones?

/that will work well
 
2012-07-08 07:17:46 PM  
How dare I not be allowed to careen around a school zone at 70MPH while little innocent children have to dive out of the way or else be crushed to death under my SUV! It's my RIGHT to recklessly endanger others!
 
2012-07-08 07:19:47 PM  
Even if you think this is a good idea in theory, I don't see how it could be a good idea in practice. The software in the speed restriction would have to know every speed limit for every area with superb precision lest someone driving on a highway near a school be suddenly forced to reduce their speed.

make me some tea: Yeah, fark that. Sometimes speeding up to avoid a bad situation is the best course of action.


This too
 
2012-07-08 07:21:05 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: Because Jeremy Clarkson doesn't slag on Scotland enough already.


A++++ would read again
 
2012-07-08 07:23:56 PM  
How's ya goin' t' do that guvnor?
 
2012-07-08 07:24:06 PM  
Just about any car on the road is CAPABLE of exceeding most non-Autobahn speed limits. Your dumpy little minivan can do 90 if pushed hard enough.
 
2012-07-08 07:24:14 PM  
This just sounds expensive.
 
2012-07-08 07:25:52 PM  
Any speed limit, or whatever speed the local little old ladies feel is much too fast for driving on rural roads?
 
2012-07-08 07:26:16 PM  
I was wondering where we'd see the first serious calls for this sort of thing. Even if they can't do it properly now you can bet they're working on it.

make me some tea: Yeah, fark that. Sometimes speeding up to avoid a bad situation is the best course of action.


Like when you're in a hurry.

Fark speed limits, a good driver doesn't need a sign to tell him what the conditions make safe. If there are school kids around and the street is lined with parked cars just waiting for a kid to run through and surprise a driver and the driver thinks its cool to be doing 50 then take his license away, permanently. We don't need more restrictions, we just need better drivers.
 
2012-07-08 07:26:47 PM  
The terrorist really have won.

ts3.mm.bing.net

Arabs get to stunt, Scotts' don't.
 
2012-07-08 07:26:49 PM  
The Association of Scottish Police Superintendents (Asps)is also calling for "black boxes" to be fitted in vehicles driven by younger motorists with the data they collect used to calculate insurance premiums.

Cars already have a black box in them. That Progressive Snapshot device you see advertised plugs into that black box. What Progressive does is it records speed, acceleration, is your seat belt worn, and any other data that black box records. The black box is only used in police investigations in the event of a fatal car wreck.

The insurance industry has been fighting for years to get those devices installed on our cars (those Snapshot devices), but the government has refused to make it mandatory.
 
2012-07-08 07:27:19 PM  
No big deal. It's not like anyone over there can afford gasoline anyway.
 
2012-07-08 07:29:06 PM  

Shaggy_C: How dare I not be allowed to careen around a school zone at 70MPH while little innocent children have to dive out of the way or else be crushed to death under my SUV! It's my RIGHT to recklessly endanger others!


I didn't know you were a confused 80 year old man wearing a hat.
 
2012-07-08 07:29:10 PM  

Shaggy_C: How dare I not be allowed to careen around a school zone at 70MPH while little innocent children have to dive out of the way or else be crushed to death under my SUV! It's my RIGHT to recklessly endanger others!


2/10
 
2012-07-08 07:29:24 PM  

BSABSVR: Ooba Tooba: A horrible idea. Waiting for some overzealous group to suggest this for American cars in 3...2...

We'll get mandatory breathalyzers first.


While not a bad idea in principle we should wait for them to make breathalyzers that won't be fooled into thinking you're over .03 because you just had a V8.
 
2012-07-08 07:29:25 PM  
i229.photobucket.com

Is this the same Scotland that Mel Gibson fought, and died, for?
 
2012-07-08 07:30:15 PM  

Begbie's reaction to a car governor: "Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh!"


/That car got gunvernored, and no c*nt leaves here till we find out what c*nt did it.

www.artnet.com

 
2012-07-08 07:31:03 PM  
'Cruise Control' not equal to 'Speed Control'.
 
2012-07-08 07:33:28 PM  
bb.wynnear.com
in other news, Scottish Nazis on the rise
 
2012-07-08 07:36:52 PM  

Oznog: [i229.photobucket.com image 420x350]

Is this the same Scotland that Mel Gibson fought, and died, for?


Well, AND the same Scotland where they subjected William Wallace to drawing and quartering for his treachery, so yeah.
 
2012-07-08 07:37:33 PM  
funnily enough, most cruise control won't engage under 30 MPH. Most school zones (at least around here) are 15-20 MPH. I couldn't use cruise control in a school zone if I wanted to (and I'd love to, maintaining a stable speed that low isn't effortless)
 
2012-07-08 07:41:55 PM  
I wonder how it KNOWS that you're in a school zone?

Because it would be HILARIOUS fun to figure out how to spoof it in arbitrary areas. Yeah let's designate a highway as a school zone...

Well, it could be envisioned as a short-range transmitter or IR blinker. Those could be spoofed pretty easily.

But, more likely, it'd be a GPS location, except the map would have to be updated periodically. Probably over the net, and spoofing the ISP wouldn't be too remarkable. Well, you'd surely try to encrypt it, but the encryption's quality will likely be compromised by the necessity of PREVENTING firmware updates to the cars (or they'll be totally open to hack pwnage).

I would guess that all sorts of entities would be able to enter arbitrary limits- for example, a construction crew. I expect that the prime opening here is to spoof requests from these external "authorized" parties TO the secured server which hands out the limits. Thus turning highways into hilarious 20mph parking lots.
 
2012-07-08 07:45:05 PM  

Baryogenesis: Even if you think this is a good idea in theory, I don't see how it could be a good idea in practice. The software in the speed restriction would have to know every speed limit for every area with superb precision lest someone driving on a highway near a school be suddenly forced to reduce their speed.

make me some tea: Yeah, fark that. Sometimes speeding up to avoid a bad situation is the best course of action.

This too


It's a really bad idea, but the tech is already available to make it doable. The speed limit round schools in Scotland is usually 20mph, and my satnav uses IQ Routes, this localised info advising you of speed limits, cameras and traffic jams is readily available.
 
2012-07-08 07:47:17 PM  

Oznog: I wonder how it KNOWS that you're in a school zone?


By the sound.

www.powersiteblog.com
 
2012-07-08 07:50:48 PM  
"I canna' grip thi'shere steeeee'rrring whels."

Fair to middlin'.

Heh.

;)
 
2012-07-08 07:51:39 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org
Gah! What's the use.
 
2012-07-08 07:51:49 PM  
ElLoco: Oznog: I wonder how it KNOWS that you're in a school zone?

By the sound.


Related: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=94m_P4-0wXw
 
2012-07-08 07:53:41 PM  
I wondered why they made cars that could exceed the speed limit when I was maybe 10. I quickly realized why that idea was retarded.
 
2012-07-08 07:53:53 PM  
I had a friend in grade school whose dad had gotten so many speeding tickets they installed this thing in his car that made a really shrill whistling noise if he went over 55.


Association of Scottish Police Superintendents (Asps)

Why is the acronym lower case? It's weird and it makes me think they're talking about snakes.
 
2012-07-08 07:53:56 PM  

Oznog: I wonder how it KNOWS that you're in a school zone?.


That part really scares me. First, the fact that we may actually have the technology to create zones that can electronically slow our cars down to the speed limit in certain areas. Second, that governments are seriously considering this because it honestly has this much belief that the common man/woman can not safely drive their vehicle. And third, even though this is in Scotland and I live in the U.S., just one country doing it could lead to morons in this country saying "If Scotland can do it, why can't we?", and honestly, it won't just be the U.S., many nations would say that, and it's short sighted and dangerous for automated systems outside the car to physically take control of the car away from the driver.
 
2012-07-08 07:59:09 PM  

Spiralmonkey: Baryogenesis: Even if you think this is a good idea in theory, I don't see how it could be a good idea in practice. The software in the speed restriction would have to know every speed limit for every area with superb precision lest someone driving on a highway near a school be suddenly forced to reduce their speed.

make me some tea: Yeah, fark that. Sometimes speeding up to avoid a bad situation is the best course of action.

This too

It's a really bad idea, but the tech is already available to make it doable. The speed limit round schools in Scotland is usually 20mph, and my satnav uses IQ Routes, this localised info advising you of speed limits, cameras and traffic jams is readily available.


The thing is, that's assuming you WANT the satnav to work.

GPS reception is not "guaranteed". You can't design a car to stop if it loses a GPS lock.

So it seems pretty likely you'd be able to defeat this by messing with the antenna cable, putting tinfoil over the antenna, or carrying a short-range (feet) GPS jammer.

You would then have to employ some more intrusive antitampering solutions. First concept would be a blinking light that alerts cops that your GPS has been turned off so they can "investigate", but then you'd just disable the light. Well then, you'd need a remote ID system and cops would require all cars to actively answer that the GPS was "working" in an encrypted manner that couldn't easily be spoofed. But, it would eventually be hacked though, which then obsoletes the hardware on each and every vehicle.
 
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