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2012-07-08 12:04:12 PM  
I'm having trouble making the connection. The HOA is the prison authority, and your house is the holding cell? Is going to work like time off for good behavior?
 
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2012-07-08 12:05:35 PM  
"Your HOA still won't allow a flag in the front yard "

Anyone who buys a house with a Home Owners Association gets the tyrannical government they deserve.

Hint: HOA's are actually considered local government
 
2012-07-08 12:06:47 PM  

NFA: "Your HOA still won't allow a flag in the front yard "

Anyone who buys a house with a Home Owners Association gets the tyrannical government they deserve.

Hint: HOA's are actually considered local government


One reason I won't live in suburbia; I've heard too many HOA horror stories.
 
2012-07-08 12:29:59 PM  
If you want to plant a flag wherever you damn well please, then you need to pay attention to whether your property is subject to an HOA. If it is, then tough titties. Sell and start again.
 
2012-07-08 01:07:35 PM  
Why aren't we trying these people in criminal courts here in the US or releasing them to the international criminal court?
 
2012-07-08 01:24:41 PM  
Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

The article has a picture of Gitmo prison. But are the upgrades for the prison or are they for they Windward and Leeward sides of the base ?
There is far more to the base than just the prison.
 
2012-07-08 04:28:20 PM  
I had a little hopey for some changey there. Instead we're throwing more money in the hole.
 
2012-07-08 04:55:26 PM  

chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?


No he didn't and that sucks.
 
2012-07-08 04:56:54 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: If you want to plant a flag wherever you damn well please, then you need to pay attention to whether your property is subject to an HOA. If it is, then tough titties. Sell and start again.


You say that like there's fifteen people lined up to buy your house. It's not a seller's market, you know.
 
2012-07-08 04:58:21 PM  

chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

The article has a picture of Gitmo prison. But are the upgrades for the prison or are they for they Windward and Leeward sides of the base ?
There is far more to the base than just the prison.


Well, our shadow prisons in Egypt have been a little hard to access recently.
 
2012-07-08 04:58:54 PM  
Goddammit Obama and the rest of the government system.


NFA: "Your HOA still won't allow a flag in the front yard "

Anyone who buys a house with a Home Owners Association gets the tyrannical government they deserve.

Hint: HOA's are actually considered local government


And any debts are considered private debt, unforgivable by bankruptcy. Declare bankruptcy and walk away from your house? The HOA will still charge you for the collective monthly fees. HOA's are evil and a horribly thing to enter into.

\not sure on the legalese, but still true.
 
2012-07-08 05:00:58 PM  

chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

The article has a picture of Gitmo prison. But are the upgrades for the prison or are they for they Windward and Leeward sides of the base ?
There is far more to the base than just the prison.


You're right -- there's a lot more than just the prison. The article is a bit vague, but the upgrades aren't prison-centric, at the very least.

As for Obama not shutting it down... he tried. Twice. You can thank congress.
 
2012-07-08 05:02:33 PM  

NewportBarGuy: Why aren't we trying these people in criminal courts here in the US or releasing them to the international criminal court?


This and thanks for the comment. I think it's it's telling that the first couple of comments in the thread related to HOAs and not the national disgrace that is Gitmo.
 
2012-07-08 05:02:34 PM  

Mugato: chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

No he didn't and that sucks.


Wasn't this one of Obama's major talking points during his campaign? Why aren't more Obama supporters angry about this?
 
2012-07-08 05:04:15 PM  

Mugato: chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

No he didn't and that sucks.


Hello new boss, you look remarkably like the old boss. Would you call him Bush 2.0 or Carter 2.0?
 
2012-07-08 05:04:25 PM  
The 40 million is for a fiber optic underwater cable to link with Florida.

HOAs still suck.
 
2012-07-08 05:05:04 PM  
NewportBarGuy: Why aren't we trying these people in criminal courts here in the US or releasing them to the international criminal court?

IIRC, most of them aren't US citizens, and didn't commit their crimes on US Soil. They're considered illegitimate combatants under the Geneva convention. While Gitmo is a source of national shame for holding them for so long without a military tribunal, we're treating them a lot better than is required by international law.

NFA: "Your HOA still won't allow a flag in the front yard "

Anyone who buys a house with a Home Owners Association gets the tyrannical government they deserve.

Hint: HOA's are actually considered local government


When I bought my house, one of the requirements I made of my realitor was that they find an area which did not have a HOA. I was really suprised at how much that limits your search.
 
2012-07-08 05:05:30 PM  

NFA: Anyone who buys a house with a Home Owners Association gets the tyrannical government they deserve.


We've almost reached the point where there are just as many new houses with HOAs as there are telecoms without mandatory arbitration clauses.
 
2012-07-08 05:06:40 PM  

bearcats1983: Mugato: chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

No he didn't and that sucks.

Wasn't this one of Obama's major talking points during his campaign? Why aren't more Obama supporters angry about this?


Because we know full well that he tried very hard to do so and the Republicans in Congress blocked him?
 
2012-07-08 05:08:15 PM  

bearcats1983: Mugato: chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

No he didn't and that sucks.

Wasn't this one of Obama's major talking points during his campaign? Why aren't more Obama supporters angry about this?


I think there are plenty who are angry about it, if not completely surprised. I'm sorry if people want Obama supporters to try some half assed apology for him but there isn't any. He hasn't been able to un-fark in 3 1/2 years quite everything Bush spent 8 years farking up.
 
2012-07-08 05:09:49 PM  
As long as it keeps the commies out of my back yard.
 
2012-07-08 05:10:12 PM  

ronaprhys: Mugato: chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

No he didn't and that sucks.

Hello new boss, you look remarkably like the old boss. Would you call him Bush 2.0 or Carter 2.0?


No, not really. At the very least he got us out of Iraq, which saved thousands of lives. So you can be snarky about that all you like.
 
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2012-07-08 05:12:15 PM  

BronyMedic: When I bought my house, one of the requirements I made of my realitor was that they find an area which did not have a HOA. I was really suprised at how much that limits your search.


When I bought my first house the agent got us to sign a one year contract with her (we didn't realize that was ridiculously long). I made it clear from the beginning that we didn't want a home with an HOA. She insisted on showing us HOA entangled homes. She told us that HOA's were very good and protected us, blah, blah, blah. She finally refused to show us homes after the 4th viewing. We found a home on our own and she showed up at the closing to get her huge slice of the cake FOR DOING NOTHING!
 
2012-07-08 05:12:30 PM  

NFA: "Your HOA still won't allow a flag in the front yard "

Anyone who buys a house with a Home Owners Association gets the tyrannical government they deserve.

Hint: HOA's are actually considered local government


On paper only- I still can't get them to enforce the "no parking on the street" rule to keep my neighbor's idiot spawn from parking ther cars at the end of my driveway. They tell me keeping cars off the street is "unenforceable". I wonder if that applies to HOA fees as well...
 
2012-07-08 05:12:36 PM  
I don't get all of the HOA hate.

If your HOA really is that shiatty get together with your neighbors and take over the board. Oh wait, that would actually require getting off your ass and doing something instead of just complaining all of the time.

/recently bought into a HOA community
//got elected to the HOA board just by taking an hour out of my year to actually attend the annual meeting (I was the only non-board member there)
/// If you can't get your neighbors to agree to vote the board out, then the HOA is probably doing just in their book and you are most likely the problem
 
2012-07-08 05:12:57 PM  

generallyso: NFA: Anyone who buys a house with a Home Owners Association gets the tyrannical government they deserve.

We've almost reached the point where there are just as many new houses with HOAs as there are telecoms without mandatory arbitration clauses.


Let's see, so there are some new homes without HOAs but not all. And there are used homes. And there is the ability to purchase your own land and hire someone to build on it... or get all Palin-y and build it yourself with the help of friends (ok, stop laughing about that one). Bottom line is that there is no one who is forced to buy into an HOA. People do it because they like the way the neighborhood looks compared to other neighborhoods. Then they find out that's because of all of the anal rules. It's a deal with the devil but one very easily avoidable. All the BS about there being absolutely zero homes that aren't in an HOA is total crap being spewed by people who are shocked to discover that they're not special snowflakes immuine to the rules they want everyone else to follow.
 
2012-07-08 05:13:15 PM  
Shuffleboards? So when their beards turn gray then they can play shuffleboard.
 
2012-07-08 05:14:01 PM  
Roy Rogers McFreely is in charge of my HOA.
 
2012-07-08 05:15:22 PM  
Maybe there's a solution in that headline. Perhaps, HOA board members should be shipped to Gitmo?
I just love that headline.
 
2012-07-08 05:15:23 PM  

RogermcAllen: I don't get all of the HOA hate.

If your HOA really is that shiatty get together with your neighbors and take over the board. Oh wait, that would actually require getting off your ass and doing something instead of just complaining all of the time.

/recently bought into a HOA community
//got elected to the HOA board just by taking an hour out of my year to actually attend the annual meeting (I was the only non-board member there)
/// If you can't get your neighbors to agree to vote the board out, then the HOA is probably doing just in their book and you are most likely the problem


You walk around measuring the height of people's grass because PROPERTY VALUES! Right?
 
2012-07-08 05:17:15 PM  

Mugato: No, not really. At the very least he got us out of Iraq, which saved thousands of lives. So you can be snarky about that all you like.


Bush was already reducing troop strength in Iraq. All Obama did was continue what was already started. Next point?
 
2012-07-08 05:17:44 PM  
First everyone is mad that it's a shiathole, then they are mad when the government at least tries to fix it up.

Sure it dosn't fix any human rights issues, but if you're going to have a turd on your coffee table it might as well be polished to a glossy sheen.
 
2012-07-08 05:18:51 PM  

NFA: "Your HOA still won't allow a flag in the front yard "

Anyone who buys a house with a Home Owners Association gets the tyrannical government they deserve.

Hint: HOA's are actually considered local government


I'd settle for buying a house in a neighborhood that does not have a HOA and not having to spend the rest of my life worrying that the people whom we termed "busybiatches" in high school will form a new city, get us annexed into a city, or take over the local city council so that HOA like restrictions can be forced on the neighborhood retroactively.

Seriously, why do some people have so much time on their hands? What makes these people qualified to run the lives of everyone within a 5 mile radius of them?
 
2012-07-08 05:19:35 PM  
 
2012-07-08 05:19:36 PM  
Woodchucks took all our flags.
 
2012-07-08 05:21:05 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: If you want to plant a flag wherever you damn well please, then you need to pay attention to whether your property is subject to an HOA. If it is, then tough titties. Sell and start again.


I don't mind an American flag or two, even a foreign one if that's where your from. Given the oppportunity, some people will pile their life time collections out in the front lawn for passer bys to enjoy. No I don't want to see your "i love scotties" banner, nor due I care which sports team you affiliate yourself with.

Moved into an HOA (asides the access to great schools) specifically to get away from the personal garbage people pile in front of their homes.

Another advantage is that you don't get dumpy homes in the neighborhood dragging down neighboring homes values. Some inconveniences are so worth it.
 
2012-07-08 05:23:48 PM  

ZoeNekros: chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

The article has a picture of Gitmo prison. But are the upgrades for the prison or are they for they Windward and Leeward sides of the base ?
There is far more to the base than just the prison.

You're right -- there's a lot more than just the prison. The article is a bit vague, but the upgrades aren't prison-centric, at the very least.


FTFA: "The outdated satellite communications system was overburdened with the military court hearing the cases of the top 9/11 plotters and other war-on-terrorism suspects, as well as the ongoing detention operations."

So yeah, the reason they need the upgrade is because of the prison and it's associated courts. Although you'd think for $40 million they could just fly the few hundred inmates stateside and put them in a military brig somewhere. Or since that would cause whatever city it was in to spontaneously erupt in a nuclear volcano hellmouth, just ship the judges and witnesses back and forth to the base on the already scheduled and going-to-happen anyway supply flights.
 
2012-07-08 05:24:55 PM  

BronyMedic: IIRC, most of them aren't US citizens, and didn't commit their crimes on US Soil. They're considered illegitimate combatants under the Geneva convention. While Gitmo is a source of national shame for holding them for so long without a military tribunal, we're treating them a lot better than is required by international law.


Oh, I'm so relieved now. Does that mean we can hold them indefinitely without trial? I mean, I'm sure legally we can, but we be a pack of dicks about it? Try them or release them. We are NOT a f*cking police state!

I'm terribly glad that we have a legal technicality to hold them on, it doesn't make it right. We either try and convict them in our court system, or we set them free. If they kill again, or for the first time... Oops. That's the way the legal system works. It ain't perfect, but I'll be goddamned if I'm going to defend us locking someone away for decades with a trial.

Too bad the Republicans are such pussyfooted babies that they don't think we can try them here in a criminal court. We have the mechanism in place. Try them in U.S. District Court or use military tribunals. But, do not do nothing!

Cowards hide behind a legal technicality. Men who believe in truth and justice take their chances with the rule of law and let the cards fall where they may.
 
2012-07-08 05:25:35 PM  

ronaprhys: Mugato: No, not really. At the very least he got us out of Iraq, which saved thousands of lives. So you can be snarky about that all you like.

Bush was already reducing troop strength in Iraq. All Obama did was continue what was already started. Next point?


No, not really. Bush did set a deadline he knew would be well after the end of his Presidency but there's no reason to think McCain wouldn't simply ignore that if he were put in office. And by McCain's own words, we would be in Iran and Syria by now. And there's the whole healthcare thing which never would have happened.

You guys need to get your talking points straight. Is Obama the same as Bush or does he have to be removed because he's a socialist communist fascist?
 
2012-07-08 05:25:45 PM  
clowncar on fire: On paper only- I still can't get them to enforce the "no parking on the street" rule to keep my neighbor's idiot spawn from parking ther cars at the end of my driveway. They tell me keeping cars off the street is "unenforceable". I wonder if that applies to HOA fees as well...

Oh, the HOA only works with you if you can benefit them in some way. And they will follow every rule if they don't like you.

RogermcAllen: I don't get all of the HOA hate.

If your HOA really is that shiatty get together with your neighbors and take over the board. Oh wait, that would actually require getting off your ass and doing something instead of just complaining all of the time.


Except the majority of HOAs are the adult equivilent of the popular and rich kids that you dealt with in High School. If you're not part of their clic, and not one of the popular or usable ones, they really don't care about you, and you will not make a difference.

It's just a way of giving people who don't have any power or control over their own lives so modum of power over others.
 
2012-07-08 05:26:10 PM  

ronaprhys: Mugato: No, not really. At the very least he got us out of Iraq, which saved thousands of lives. So you can be snarky about that all you like.

Bush was already reducing troop strength in Iraq. All Obama did was continue what was already started. Next point?


Next point - if Obama had lost then McCain would be in charge. And even if you somehow think that he wouldn't have renegotiated the SOFA so that we could stay until the job's done and make all our troops sacrifices worth something then you would have to at least admit he'd have followed one of his campaign slogans and invaded Iran.
 
2012-07-08 05:26:44 PM  

Wolf_Blitzer: bearcats1983: Mugato: chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

No he didn't and that sucks.

Wasn't this one of Obama's major talking points during his campaign? Why aren't more Obama supporters angry about this?

Because we know full well that he tried very hard to do so and the Republicans in Congress blocked him?


Well at least he tried really hard. That's what really counts. I certainly hope he got a participant ribbon for trying so hard.
 
2012-07-08 05:27:03 PM  

ronaprhys: Mugato: No, not really. At the very least he got us out of Iraq, which saved thousands of lives. So you can be snarky about that all you like.

Bush was already reducing troop strength in Iraq. All Obama did was continue what was already started. Next point?


http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/01/31/GR200 8 013100438.html
 
2012-07-08 05:27:11 PM  

ronaprhys: Would you call him Bush 2.0 or Carter 2.0?


I'd call him someone who wanted to be Carter 2.0 but ended up being Bush 2.0...
 
2012-07-08 05:27:42 PM  

ronaprhys: Bush was already reducing troop strength in Iraq. All Obama did was continue what was already started. Next point?



You mean Bush tried to reduce troop strength before an election to favor the Republican party? Color me shocked


Mugato: bearcats1983: Mugato: chiett: Oh, didn't Obama shut that down ?

No he didn't and that sucks.

Wasn't this one of Obama's major talking points during his campaign? Why aren't more Obama supporters angry about this?

I think there are plenty who are angry about it, if not completely surprised. I'm sorry if people want Obama supporters to try some half assed apology for him but there isn't any. He hasn't been able to un-fark in 3 1/2 years quite everything Bush spent 8 years farking up.



There isn't an apology? You mean signing an executive order closing the base but Congress refusing the funding is all Obama's fault?

You're like the idiots who blame Obama for a bad economy when Republicans have spent a record number of filibusters blocking almost everything from passing.
 
2012-07-08 05:31:13 PM  
fark you for lying on this one, obama.
 
2012-07-08 05:31:31 PM  

Mugato: ronaprhys: Mugato: No, not really. At the very least he got us out of Iraq, which saved thousands of lives. So you can be snarky about that all you like.

Bush was already reducing troop strength in Iraq. All Obama did was continue what was already started. Next point?

No, not really. Bush did set a deadline he knew would be well after the end of his Presidency but there's no reason to think McCain wouldn't simply ignore that if he were put in office. And by McCain's own words, we would be in Iran and Syria by now. And there's the whole healthcare thing which never would have happened.

You guys need to get your talking points straight. Is Obama the same as Bush or does he have to be removed because he's a socialist communist fascist?


So you are guessing at what McCain might have done to use as a talking point to explain Obama's failure? Pretty creative.
 
2012-07-08 05:31:53 PM  

intelligent comment below: There isn't an apology? You mean signing an executive order closing the base but Congress refusing the funding is all Obama's fault?

You're like the idiots who blame Obama for a bad economy when Republicans have spent a record number of filibusters blocking almost everything from passing.


Uh, no I'm not. I don't blame Obama for all the things he tried to do in Congress but were obstructed by the Republicans, that's just the Republicans being assholes. I don't think however that he did everything he could have done to close Gitmo.
 
2012-07-08 05:32:34 PM  

Mugato: ronaprhys: Mugato: No, not really. At the very least he got us out of Iraq, which saved thousands of lives. So you can be snarky about that all you like.

Bush was already reducing troop strength in Iraq. All Obama did was continue what was already started. Next point?

No, not really. Bush did set a deadline he knew would be well after the end of his Presidency but there's no reason to think McCain wouldn't simply ignore that if he were put in office. And by McCain's own words, we would be in Iran and Syria by now. And there's the whole healthcare thing which never would have happened.

You guys need to get your talking points straight. Is Obama the same as Bush or does he have to be removed because he's a socialist communist fascist?


Yes, really. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/graphic/2008/01/31/GR2008 013100438.html

Troop levels declining. Not by much, but declining. Under Bush.

Honestly, I gave you a choice of Bush 2.0 or Carter 2.0 as he seems to have mixed the worst of both. I personally consider Obama a failure in office. I strongly dislike his healthcare reform. He's failed on several key promises (Gitmo being a critical one), pretty sure the Patriot Act is still in play, and we're still in Afghanistan. His economic stimulus packages appear to have done little, and he's demonstrated that he'll talk a big talk, but still happily bail out the banks.

I do like that he signed the law allowing firearms to be carried on public lands, though. And that, in spite of what appear to be his actual beliefs, he's not launched an attack on the 2nd Amendment. I think that's only out of political expediency, though. He seems to know that'd sink him.

Living through his presidency seems to be no different than Carters, from what I can see.
 
2012-07-08 05:33:02 PM  

NFA: "Your HOA still won't allow a flag in the front yard "

Anyone who buys a house with a Home Owners Association gets the tyrannical government they deserve.

Hint: HOA's are actually considered local government


In Florida, we have a statute that prevents HOAs from restricting flagpoles. Is a beautiful thing.
 
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