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2012-07-08 03:15:28 PM
Oh please, the day the missus and I moved away from New Orleans there were 19 separate shootings. They don't even report stabbings on the news.

"Well, today there were 4 murders in the central and eastern part of the city. On to sports! WHO DAT!"
 
2012-07-08 03:16:28 PM

shotglasss: italie: Since Chicago is the new Detroit, good luck with the path you're on New York...


CSB time...

I was visiting New York with my wife in '99. We were walking through Central Park when 200 ft away a brawl broke out between ~50 teenagers. We were standing right next to a couple of park rangers on horseback when this happened. The conversation overheard went pretty much like this:

Cop #1: Should we get in there?

Cop #2: Not yet, lets see if they can sort this thing out for themselves first.

~crowd disperses after 4 minutes, 5-6 people are on the ground not moving~

Cop #2: Alright, lets go.

Sounds like they sorted it out pretty well. No point in the cops going in there while the brawl is going on because they will become the targets for all sides.


Yeah two cops can't really break up a 50 man brawl without shooting someone.
 
2012-07-08 03:20:34 PM
My boyfriend and I read these stories with a great swelling of pride. Our hometowns are just so murderous and bloodthirsty. Brings a tear to the eyes.

Large, urban areas where it's been close to or over 100 degrees for a week or more = elevated crime rates. Everyone's outside, everyone's pissed off and cranky, shiat is going to pop off. I'd rather live in Bedford-Stuyvesant/Harlem or the South Side of Chicago than Detroit or New Orleans.
 
2012-07-08 03:31:58 PM
Looking at the addresses listed in the article, i'm not surprised. Also fairly sure we didnt lose anyone important.
 
2012-07-08 03:34:53 PM

Ed Willy: [alt.coxnewsweb.com image 500x331]

RIP RADIO RAHEEM


Of all the memes in the history of Fark, the "RIP Person-with-slightly-similar-name" is the stupidest.

/Too much to expect it to ever die, I guess
 
2012-07-08 03:35:07 PM

ZAZ: New York City: It's the old New York City


Only with less porn.
 
2012-07-08 03:35:55 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Jamdug!: There's a New York now?!?

It was once New Amsterdam.

Why they changed it, I can't say.


New Amsterdam, it's become much too much....
 
2012-07-08 03:43:09 PM

Captain Steroid: Rwa2play: Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: BULLSHIAT.

NYC still has good pizza.

Chicago deep dish and NYC pizza are two different animals. Apples and oranges there.

Now subs, you weren't alive during the late 70s/early 80s were you? Back then that was called "a typical night."

I miss the hookers in Times Square. :-(


Tunnel rats were cheaper.
 
2012-07-08 03:45:21 PM

croesius: Oh please, the day the missus and I moved away from New Orleans there were 19 separate shootings. They don't even report stabbings on the news.

"Well, today there were 4 murders in the central and eastern part of the city. On to sports! WHO DAT!"


*sigh*

If you didn't actually live in New Orleans, or any high-crime city, I'd forgive your ignorance. But you did, so you are rather ignorant. I'll just copy and paste what I posted above... about my experience in the city of New Orleans:

The vast (like near 100%) majority of violent crime is between people who have some sort of relationship. Drug dealer/drug buyer, rival gang members, retaliation for a past violent crime, domestic violence.

All in all, if you aren't part of that system... you're not going to get hurt. Random crime is very rare. And even then, its generally partially the victim's fault. (e.g. getting mugged because you're walking alone in the middle of the night where you should know better not to be doing so.)

I've lived in the heart of one of the most violent cities in America for 7 years. I know hundreds of people. Only twice has there been an incident with anyone I know. A random mugging outside a grocery store, and an attempted mugging that my friend was able to luckily avoid because he was on bike.

However, "New Orleans is the murder capital of the country" stories pop up all the time.

Look, I don't want anyone murdered. I'm a human being, and feel for any family that has to deal with that. But face it... most murders are centered around people already engaged in dangerous behavior.

If you saw a story about deaths being up in some wooded area with lots of cliffs, would you be scared to enter such an area? How about if I told you all those deaths were people base jumping off a cliff? Same deal.
 
2012-07-08 03:46:59 PM

Toshiro Mifune's Letter Opener: Shadowknight: HEY NOW, BLASPHEMER! Watch yourself.

Honestly, I love both kinds of pizza. Don't know why it has to be one or the other.

/fat guy

Rwa2play: Chicago deep dish and NYC pizza are two different animals. Apples and oranges there.

*starts runnin'*


Hey now! I love both; no preference for either. They're both delicious.

/meat lovers pizzza...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
 
2012-07-08 03:49:27 PM

croesius: Oh please, the day the missus and I moved away from New Orleans there were 19 separate shootings. They don't even report stabbings on the news.

"Well, today there were 4 murders in the central and eastern part of the city. On to sports! WHO DAT!"


Also, they don't report the stabbings? Not sure when you lived here, but pre-Katrina it was a city of almost half a million people. Now its near 350,000. They also don't report people that dine and dash at the local restaurants.

Move to a small suburb, and you'll get the police crime blotter filled with horrid details of teenagers stealing beer, people gassing up their cars and leaving without paying.

Its part of living in a city, dude.

If you're so interested in every single crime, there is an online crime map that tracks everything. Including bicycle theft and the like. The info is out there, its just not spoonfed to you.
 
2012-07-08 03:51:55 PM

Rwa2play: Hey now! I love both; no preference for either. They're both delicious.

/meat lovers pizzza...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Same here. Its almost literally arguing apples and oranges.

"I love oranges!"

"You have no taste in fruit, idiot... apples are where its at!"

What's better... a nice medium rare grilled steak or a grilled pork chop?

Answer: both.
 
2012-07-08 04:03:49 PM
Blame it on the heat.

It's why everyone's brain is melted down here in FL.

/still cooler here than up North
//nelsonhaha.jpg
 
2012-07-08 04:09:09 PM
chicago, detroit, whatever
 
2012-07-08 04:10:05 PM

fatalvenom: Blame it on the heat.


Maybe it's just me but when its, really, really hot, I don't have the energy to kill anyone.
 
2012-07-08 04:22:01 PM

DavidVincent: fatalvenom: Blame it on the heat.

Maybe it's just me but when its, really, really hot, I don't have the energy to kill anyone.


If your not used to it, heat will make you want to kill someone.
 
2012-07-08 04:39:16 PM

El Brujo: EnviroDude: It's a good thing guns are ill eagle in NYC

They are in Chicago too. Great job, libs.

/lib


Perhaps you mean that law that was struck down by a judge several years ago and no longer exists? But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a little hatescorncontempt.
 
2012-07-08 05:10:08 PM
The folks that live on the south side of Chicago have their own population control.
 
2012-07-08 05:37:04 PM
I must place the blame on the hot weather/global warming/trans-fats/large soft drinks.

There seems to be a common denominator as to who/what is causing this outbreak of crime in Chicago, New York, Philadelphia, Detroit, etc. Conspiracy of silence.
 
2012-07-08 05:54:54 PM
I thought I heard my mama cry. In fact I thought I heard her pray....you know, that night....
 
2012-07-08 06:16:50 PM
maybe 10 posts in and i gotta tell you, THIS THREAD DELIVERS!!!
 
2012-07-08 06:57:19 PM
Boo got shot.
 
2012-07-08 06:59:04 PM
If you are comparing the crime rate (crime incidents to population), it is the equivalent to about 2 murders and 7 violent incidents in Toronto. Seeing as the homicide rate is about double in NYC compared to TO, I'm guessing this was only slightly more violent than the average weekend in the city.
 
2012-07-08 07:22:11 PM

Haapdog: I thought I heard my mama cry. In fact I thought I heard her pray....you know, that night....


Back in the bad old days...

/brother was a fight it really was
 
2012-07-08 09:16:15 PM

snitramc: El Brujo: EnviroDude: It's a good thing guns are ill eagle in NYC

They are in Chicago too. Great job, libs.

/lib

Perhaps you mean that law that was struck down by a judge several years ago and no longer exists? But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a little hatescorncontempt.


So that's why all those tourists get arrested for possession . . . . Of firearms?
 
2012-07-08 10:13:29 PM
"The carnage began around sundown Friday on a hot summer's night, and continued until the sun rose Saturday morning.

Across barely eight hours, at least seven New Yorkers were murdered and another 21 shot, stabbed or slashed across the city - with only three suspects arrested before the blood stopped flowing."

Where to start?

-How many people usually shot, stabbed or slashed across the city? NYC is a huge place, big enough so most people won't have an idea if this is normal.

-Only three suspects arrested before the blood stopped flowing? Let's assume that most people don't want to get caught when they shoot, stab or slash someone. Sure, there are people who want to get caught, but how hard is it not to get arrested for a few hours after committing a crime, assuming you make it away from the crime scene.

-Practically by the way the reporter is defining the timeline some people won't have been arrested. The people at the beginning of this spree where wounded nearly 8 hours ago, but the last people JUST GOT WOUNDED! That includes the last incident, which includes 8 people!

-Those 8 people where involved in a bar brawl! The cops will be comparing statements for days.

-Those 8 people were involved in a bar brawl. You take that one incident out and you remove 38% of the victims of this 'spree'.

-Several of these are the same incident- in fact, there are only 11 incidents reported, so you'd expect fewer arrests than incidents. (Although that bar brawl is likely to result in there being more than 11 total arrests.

-On top of all that, there doesn't seem to be any evidence suggesting any of these 11 incidents are related, so it doesn't seem to be a spree in that sense and there is no reporting on whether other heat waves produce sprees.
 
2012-07-08 10:27:05 PM

italie: Since Chicago is the new Detroit, good luck with the path you're on New York...


CSB time...

I was visiting New York with my wife in '99. We were walking through Central Park when 200 ft away a brawl broke out between ~50 teenagers. We were standing right next to a couple of park rangers on horseback when this happened. The conversation overheard went pretty much like this:

Cop #1: Should we get in there?

Cop #2: Not yet, lets see if they can sort this thing out for themselves first.

~crowd disperses after 4 minutes, 5-6 people are on the ground not moving~

Cop #2: Alright, lets go.


Detroit is the new Haiti! Zomg
 
2012-07-08 11:11:31 PM

TorqueToad: [assets.nydailynews.com image 635x491]

Is it me, or is that corpse getting up?


Freakin' NY Pizza! Fuhgeddaboudit! Even the dead come back to life to get a slice!
 
2012-07-08 11:46:31 PM

fn129: italie: Since Chicago is the new Detroit, good luck with the path you're on New York...


Detroit is the new Haiti! Zomg



I thought Detroit was the new Cleveland?
 
2012-07-09 08:21:46 AM

Jon iz teh kewl:
www.secondcitypizzatours.com
YOU KNOW U WANT IT



Dear God, what is the vomitous mass!?!?!?

Proof that there is no God?!?!?


/NY Makes pizza
//Chicago makes pizza flavored casseroles.
 
2012-07-09 09:47:26 AM

snitramc: El Brujo: EnviroDude: It's a good thing guns are ill eagle in NYC

They are in Chicago too. Great job, libs.

/lib

Perhaps you mean that law that was struck down by a judge several years ago and no longer exists? But hey, don't let facts get in the way of a little hatescorncontempt.


Struck down on the Federal level but that doesn't bother people like Bloomberg, or Rahm. They just create another new law to replace the one that was ruled against and wait until you have to pay millions in legal expenses for that one to be struck down rinse and repeat. They are above the law and don't need to pay any attention to the Supreme Court.

They want/need the crime to encourage their serfs to give them more power to turn their cities into imitations of Mexico. Disarming the victims and letting the criminals run free worked down there to keep the peons from revolting and throwing out a corrupt government. "Please Mister Mayor do whatever it takes to save us from all this crime."
 
2012-07-09 05:19:52 PM

SpectroBoy: /NY Makes pizza
//Chicago makes pizza flavored casseroles.


Correction:

NYC makes pizza.
Chicago makes pizza pie.
Most people -- those from neither metro area -- will probably devour either kind with gusto.

/Back to your regularly-scheduled murder/gun control/heat wave discussion.
//Those are so much more civil than the eternal pizza debate.
 
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