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(Atlanta Journal Constitution)   Old news: Firing the teacher accused in the sex scandal. New Hotness: Firing the school's entire staff - from custodians to the principal   ( ajc.com) divider line
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2012-07-08 01:27:22 PM  
Good
 
2012-07-08 01:27:34 PM  
No, that's also old news, Subby.
 
2012-07-08 01:28:55 PM  
I can understand firing the principal and staff, but the custodians? They do, like real work, you know?
 
2012-07-08 01:29:20 PM  
Los Angeles has schools? Thought they just had gang day care centers..

wearemoviegeeks.com
 
2012-07-08 01:29:24 PM  

swahnhennessy: No, that's also old news, Subby.


And also entirely appropriate as it seems that the abuse was not particularly a secret to anyone who worked there.
 
2012-07-08 01:30:47 PM  
Earlier this year, for instance, Deasy ordered a substitute teacher fired after finding students doing busy work.

Students were doing busy work? This is an outrage! Wait, WTF does that even mean? Busy work?
 
2012-07-08 01:30:53 PM  
I don't know about this. Certainly everyone who knew and failed to come forward should be fired, but I find it unlikely that the entire school staff, from the custodians up through the principal, would have known. At first glance, this looks like a witch hunt.

Though if it actually can be demonstrated that the whole staff knew, then sure. Nail them all to the wall.
 
2012-07-08 01:31:28 PM  
Moar like him! +1
 
2012-07-08 01:33:34 PM  
At first I was alll "America, I am disappoint", but then I RTFA and I think this guy should be crowned King Learny atop a heap o' skulls of the time-wasters and pooch-screwers littering the school systems.

My wife just finished teachers' college, and naturally can't find a job with all the burnt-out placeholders hanging on for the pension (think: 61-year-old Krabappels), and the sheer amount of refined babble and guff she had to wade through to get the degree astounded me with its vast obtuseness and dubious logic.

As far as I can tell, it doesn't matter why Johnny can't read, as long as he self-actualized up the chute and feels good about his inability to count to potato.
 
2012-07-08 01:34:24 PM  
I'm certain this won't result in any costly litigation which will deprive a certain school district of money it so desperately needs. Nope. Not a chance.
 
2012-07-08 01:34:24 PM  
i guess the silence is now broken
 
2012-07-08 01:35:47 PM  

Valiente:

As far as I can tell, it doesn't matter why Johnny can't read, as long as he self-actualized up the chute and feels good about his inability to count to potato.


I LOLed.
 
2012-07-08 01:35:50 PM  

MassAsster: Los Angeles has schools? Thought they just had gang day care centers..

[wearemoviegeeks.com image 560x250]


That movie was about Paterson, New Jersey not L.A.
 
2012-07-08 01:36:06 PM  
Is tag for subby? Maybe this was overboard, but if you RTFA, the guy sounds farking amazing and just who we should have supervising the education of our young.
 
2012-07-08 01:36:12 PM  

Millennium: I don't know about this. Certainly everyone who knew and failed to come forward should be fired, but I find it unlikely that the entire school staff, from the custodians up through the principal, would have known. At first glance, this looks like a witch hunt.

Though if it actually can be demonstrated that the whole staff knew, then sure. Nail them all to the wall.


There are pros and cons.

The pro now being that nobody in that district with any sense is going to cover up or look the other way for anything like that for years and years. In a 'everyone gets fired' scenario there's now every incentive to come forward with information.
 
MBK
2012-07-08 01:36:40 PM  
Can we put this guy in charge of the Catholic Church?
 
2012-07-08 01:36:59 PM  
I am fine with this. I work in a school -- and let me tell you if this got out to one person, then yes, the whole school knew (or heard a version of the truth through the grapevine). Also, if you really want to know something -- go straight to the facility staff or the administrative professionals .... translate to custodians and secretaries. They know everything.
 
2012-07-08 01:37:39 PM  

mat catastrophe: And also entirely appropriate as it seems that the abuse was not particularly a secret to anyone who worked there.


I somehow doubt the janitors were kept in the loop about such things.
 
2012-07-08 01:39:08 PM  
Meetings at 530am? BS. Who the fark is he having them with? Puff piece on an insane educator.
 
2012-07-08 01:39:13 PM  

swahnhennessy: No, that's also old news, Subby.


Yup. This happened back in February.
 
2012-07-08 01:39:33 PM  
 
2012-07-08 01:40:22 PM  

Now I Is!: MassAsster: Los Angeles has schools? Thought they just had gang day care centers..

[wearemoviegeeks.com image 560x250]

That movie was about Paterson, New Jersey not L.A.


location wasn't the point...... *eye roll*
 
2012-07-08 01:41:42 PM  

Walker: Earlier this year, for instance, Deasy ordered a substitute teacher fired after finding students doing busy work.

Students were doing busy work? This is an outrage! Wait, WTF does that even mean? Busy work?


Busy work is the equivalent of the boot camp practice of digging a hole and filling it again. It's work for work's sake with no educational value and it is what teachers use to keep the kids busy while they spread special 'jam" on their crackers.

/next time I'll use comment preview ;)
 
2012-07-08 01:42:59 PM  
On one hand, every workplace environment requires proactive supervisory management to ensure worker performance and efficiency. On the other, you an extremely underpaid, difficult profession that is the subject of political scrutiny. While I don't approve of the wholesale firing of employees, I do believe that a lack of leadership and supervision accounts for a decline is public school performance.

A difficult story, this one.
 
2012-07-08 01:43:43 PM  

mat catastrophe: swahnhennessy: No, that's also old news, Subby.

And also entirely appropriate as it seems that the abuse was not particularly a secret to anyone who worked there.


While I might agree the approach was a little heavy handed, I found the overall story very interesting. This seems like a man who really does want to make a difference, and turn things around in a failing school system.
 
2012-07-08 01:44:07 PM  
Good on him.
 
2012-07-08 01:44:14 PM  

MassAsster: Los Angeles has schools? Thought they just had gang day care centers..

[wearemoviegeeks.com image 560x250]


RTFA, came for the 'Lean On Me' reference, leaving satisfied.
 
2012-07-08 01:44:27 PM  
The further into the article I read, the more I like him. Just amazing.
 
2012-07-08 01:45:38 PM  

Millennium: I don't know about this. Certainly everyone who knew and failed to come forward should be fired, but I find it unlikely that the entire school staff, from the custodians up through the principal, would have known. At first glance, this looks like a witch hunt.

Though if it actually can be demonstrated that the whole staff knew, then sure. Nail them all to the wall.


According to TFA the staff are going to be reassigned, possibly back to that school or another one. His idea of "breaking the culture" in a dysfunctional environment is awesome. Not only will it stop producing environments where abuse can happen, it might actually motivate the "do nothing except sit on my ass and wait for my pension" teachers to either give a damn or get the fark out.

Although I see grievances coming out of this (there always are with stagnant union workers) I don't see a lawsuit as it seems that if you don't have a disciplinary record you will continue on, although possibly in a new setting. The problem teachers who do have records will be shed, hopefully bringing in new blood. Good all around, IMHO.
 
2012-07-08 01:45:47 PM  

Lorelle: swahnhennessy: No, that's also old news, Subby.

Yup. This happened back in February.


The story is not really about the sex scandal. It is about the man in charge of the school system, and what he is doing to change a culture of failure.
 
2012-07-08 01:49:51 PM  

Valiente: At first I was alll "America, I am disappoint", but then I RTFA and I think this guy should be crowned King Learny atop a heap o' skulls of the time-wasters and pooch-screwers littering the school systems.

My wife just finished teachers' college, and naturally can't find a job with all the burnt-out placeholders hanging on for the pension (think: 61-year-old Krabappels), and the sheer amount of refined babble and guff she had to wade through to get the degree astounded me with its vast obtuseness and dubious logic.

As far as I can tell, it doesn't matter why Johnny can't read, as long as he self-actualized up the chute and feels good about his inability to count to potato.



And just think, if your wife had just got a job at this school, she'd have just been fired!
 
2012-07-08 01:51:22 PM  

jack21221: mat catastrophe: And also entirely appropriate as it seems that the abuse was not particularly a secret to anyone who worked there.

I somehow doubt the janitors were kept in the loop about such things.


The Superintendent's intent was to remove everyone from that school, temporarily reassigning them to other positions (since they cannot actually be fired, even the ones currently awaiting trial for the actual molestations, until the cases are reviewed by a separate panel).

It was not a completely popular decision, but the abuse allegations at this one school went back twenty years. He felt that it was necessary to clean house. I don't have a problem with this method of doing it. All the employees will be vetted based on what they knew and those who didn't know (presumable the "out of the loop" janitorial staff) will go back to work at that school or another.

The rest? Fark 'em, they belong in jail too. Failure to report child abuse should be a farking felony.
 
2012-07-08 01:52:02 PM  

Walker: Earlier this year, for instance, Deasy ordered a substitute teacher fired after finding students doing busy work.

Students were doing busy work? This is an outrage! Wait, WTF does that even mean? Busy work?


I can't a substitute teacher was fired for doing what's in the job description - babysitting a classroom and keeping it quiet for a day or two. Busy work probably meaning times tables or something else that's just going to take up time without teaching much.
 
2012-07-08 01:53:03 PM  

jack21221: mat catastrophe: And also entirely appropriate as it seems that the abuse was not particularly a secret to anyone who worked there.

I somehow doubt the janitors were kept in the loop about such things.


Go watch The Breakfast Club and then you can edit your comment.
 
2012-07-08 01:54:24 PM  
This seems like a great idea.

I know there was a republican who committed a crime once. Just arrest all white old people for enabling a culture of crime committing by republicans.

Works for me.
 
2012-07-08 01:54:44 PM  

mat catastrophe: Failure to report child abuse should be a farking felony.


Everyone in a school is a Mandated Reporter, so it actually already is a felony in CA.
 
2012-07-08 01:55:09 PM  
Millennium
I don't know about this. Certainly everyone who knew and failed to come forward should be fired, but I find it unlikely that the entire school staff, from the custodians up through the principal, would have known. At first glance, this looks like a witch hunt.

A witch hunt involves actual hunting. This sounds more like a carpet bombing.
 
2012-07-08 02:00:54 PM  
TFA
Deasy ordered a substitute teacher fired after finding students doing busy work.

My paycheck vs. his says that the sub was doing the lesson plan the teacher left. Most teachers don't do anything elaborate because most subs don't know what is going on in the class. So the lesson plan left for a sub usually involves book work/worksheets or something else to keep the kids busy.

This guy is a clown.
 
2012-07-08 02:00:56 PM  
I have a feeling that a good amount of the staff knew about it because how information and gossip spreads through the school, but you know there were probably a few members of the staff that found it unprofessional to get involved in that schlock and a one or two more that got excluded from it for one reason or another.
 
2012-07-08 02:01:22 PM  
This guy sounds great. We give our kids too many excuses. And for teachers, you come to school to work and give your best, every day. This is some Red Dawn shiat. Stand up and be counted with this guy, and all other loafers and perverts can get a pink slip.
 
2012-07-08 02:03:27 PM  

maddogdelta: This seems like a great idea.

I know there was a republican who committed a crime once. Just arrest all white old people for enabling a culture of crime committing by republicans.

Works for me.



That's a Great argument!.....What demographic has the highest crime rates?
 
2012-07-08 02:03:42 PM  

jack21221: I somehow doubt the janitors were kept in the loop about such things.


i162.photobucket.com

"I am the eyes and ears of this institution, my friends!"
 
2012-07-08 02:05:57 PM  

srtpointman: Go watch The Breakfast Club and then you can edit your comment.


You're directing me to a work of fiction? If we're going down that road, perhaps the kids being abused should have just put on their magic rings to escape. Go watch Lord of the Rings and get back to me.
 
2012-07-08 02:06:26 PM  
so he wants to micromamage all the schools...i'll give him one school year to crash and burn when he fires someone who knows their rights and their lawsuit will come out of his paycheck .
 
2012-07-08 02:06:46 PM  
I have worked for guys like this before. For better or worse, he will eventually be set up for failure by his staff and blamed for the failure by the politicos.
 
2012-07-08 02:08:40 PM  

Walker: Earlier this year, for instance, Deasy ordered a substitute teacher fired after finding students doing busy work.

Students were doing busy work? This is an outrage! Wait, WTF does that even mean? Busy work?


My sympathies. A couple of our subs routinely tell the kids to find something to read, or text- depite school policy forbidding cellphone usage during school hours-- as long as they don't disturb other classes.
 
2012-07-08 02:12:04 PM  

maddogdelta: My paycheck vs. his says that the sub was doing the lesson plan the teacher left.


My assumption was this originally, but I cannot imagine he simply wandered in, saw the children on a worksheet, and blamed the substitute. He probably came into the class, asked to look in the lesson plans, and realized she wasn't fulfilling them in the slightest, instead wasting the day.
 
2012-07-08 02:14:53 PM  
The good ol' Army approach to discipline. One person screws up, everyone gets punished. This will cost them a fortune in lawsuits for wrongful termination. Even if by some miracle his firings stand, the legal fees will be huge. I started the article, but got pissed. So, I may be talking about something that was addressed. Fark it, I'm hungover.
 
2012-07-08 02:19:22 PM  
FTFA

"Deasy's removal of the school's staff resulted in protests by parents and a raft of union grievances. The teachers, who were warehoused at another location, may now return to the classroom at Miramonte or another school, Deasy said."

So, if you weren't in the union, you got screwed. The teachers didn't lose any pay and got a good rest away from the disgusting rabble that they have to attempt to teach.
 
2012-07-08 02:21:17 PM  
Once a week, his driver takes him on a round of unannounced visits to a few of the 1,000-plus schools, a source of both inspiration and exasperation as he moseys around corridors alone, introducing himself to students as "Dr. D."

I'm sure the "little people" appreciate these visits. We all know how they need to look up to us to see how their betters are more qualified to live the sad, lonely life of leaders.

As for the firing, I'm sorry, the custodians seems like a reach, but who would know from this shiatty article? Maybe a paragraph of this story about him firing the whole staff is actually about that, the rest reads like a campaign brochure.
 
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